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From sentto-4914183-2037-1068379201-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 13:03:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03659 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:03:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hA9C07g17436 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:00:08 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2037-1068379201-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 12:00:02 -0000 X-Sender: habraken.dave@yucom.be X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1897 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 11:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 11:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO poros.telenet-ops.be) (195.130.132.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 11:59:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by poros.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 611B22E6962 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:59:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from z3t6q6 (d51534B72.kabel.telenet.be [81.83.75.114]) by poros.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id D69D22E6938 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:59:57 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005a01c3a6b8$ca30e0a0$724b5351@pandora.be> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 From: "Dave Habraken" X-Originating-IP: 195.130.132.44 X-Yahoo-Profile: dave_habraken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:58:29 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] first solo-trip to china Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 Hello; It's my first message to this group, so maybe I have to introduce myself a little bit. My name is Dave Habraken and I'm a steam-freak from Belgium. Different from Germany and Great-Britain, there aren't many Belgian steam-freaks who go to China. My first trip to China was led by the excellent guide Bernd Seiler. But... teachers don't earn to much and I like the adventure so I would like to go back on my own. Therefore, it 's great to me that this list exists with all it's info. Keep on the good work, I would say! In december, we will go to China with two persons. We planned a visit to Zhungeer but soon, I read the news about the electrification plans so I had to change our plans too. At this point, we are interested in visiting Pingdingshan, JingPeng (yes, the Japanese circus is over there but I can't choose my holidays as a teacher), Tiefa and a steel work. I have some questions regarding my plans: - what do I have to write on my VISA-request? I suppose "tourist", but which places do I mention/don't I mention? and: do I have to write down that I go with CITS, or can I write down that I will visit China on my own? - how can I arrange a hotel in advance at Reshui, Pingdingshan or Tiefa? I suppose, making a reservation at Reshui is the most important because of all the people hanging out there around new Year. - I surely want to go to a steelwork where you can see the molten metals coming into the wagons and see the wagons tipping the molten slags. Also I would like to see some decorated engines and it seems to me, some steelworks have quite a lot. Has anybody of you got ideas which steelwork gives me the best opportunities for all of this? How can I obtain a guide for such a steelwork? How much does this cost? Bernd: I can't make it to your visit to Benxi: I arrive one day to late at Beijing... - do you have any suggestions for narrow gauge with steam in a reasonable distance from the places mentioned above? I know Dahuichang, but are there other possibilities? I hope I don't bother you to much with all my "amateuristic" questions. It's quite an adventure for the first time so a good preparation is very important to me. I hope to get some useful answers and would allready like to thank you a lot for your help. Afterwards, I will write a full report for this group of course. Regards, Dave Habraken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2038-1068380711-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 13:32:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04575 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:32:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hA9CPIg18197 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:25:18 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2038-1068380711-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 12:25:12 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90885 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 12:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 12:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep01-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.129) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 12:25:09 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.11]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20031109122508.WBCQ5393.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:25:08 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20031109122508.WBCQ5393.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: 130.244.199.129 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:25:08 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] First single trip to China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 What to write on your visa request: Tourist. And about where you will stay: For example, railway hotel, Reshui, Inner Mongolia. No problem if you want to go alone. Places: I just give the major palces I change trains at: Chifeng, Jining, Huhehaote, Beijing, and Reshui. Hotel bookings: On my website are a few phone numbers for hotels along the Jitong line. http://home.c2i.net/schaefer/jitongtielu/hotelsetc.html However, I never reserve hotels in advance. No need in winter. Most are empty anyway. In Reshui, maybe the Telecom hotel is quite full of railway fans, but in the railway hotel they always have place. Steelworks: Sorry, no idea. Jingpeng pass: If you want to avoid the circus, just be on foot instead of hiring a taxi. Walk along the line. You may alos go down towards Yuzhoudi (eastwards of Reshui, or be west of Jingpeng, towards majiazi. Few people are there. It may be a good idea to buy a bicycle at Reshui and make arrangement so you may resell it to the shop after a few days. Bicycles are cheap, less than 100 Euro, and good to get around, if your clothiong is warm enough Hans Schaefer ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2039-1068381814-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 13:48:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05157 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:48:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hA9Chhg18913 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:43:43 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2039-1068381814-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 12:43:37 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60237 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 12:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 12:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep01-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.129) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 12:43:33 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.11]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20031109124332.WDVU5393.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:43:32 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20031109124332.WDVU5393.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: 130.244.199.129 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:43:32 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng pass, how to get around Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 Taxi: Hiring one for a day is about 200 Yuan. However, the trouble is you have the taxi around waiting for you. In many cases, if you just want to get west from your hotel in Reshui, you may just as well hire a cab early in the korning and go west for 30 to 50 Yuan. 30 is right price, but if you want to go fast and are not good at negotiating, it is 50 to the bridge at Simingyi. You always get back in the evening. In the worst case walk the street, have a flashlight with you. Or a mobile phone to phone your hotel and send a cab for you. But before sundown and just after sundown there should still be the cabs running back and forth. Most of them minibuses. If a large group turns up at your place, I think the best option is just to walk away, or be polite and consider them friends. Most of them are not bad. A few people behave as if they own the world, but most are OK. If some Chinese mafia people approach you and want money because you take photos, politely decline to pay. Otherwise you do not understand much. If someone is pestering you too much, speak your native language, not English. Walking along the line, make sure you greet every railway employee or other Chinese and be friendly. They often show you things or invite you. Being alone makes things much easier. Hans Schaefer ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2040-1068390198-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 16:13:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10344 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:13:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hA9F3Og23876 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:03:24 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2040-1068390198-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 15:03:18 -0000 X-Sender: wgwyer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49161 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 15:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 15:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 15:03:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 15:03:14 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgwyer" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.107 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgwyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:03:14 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] QJ plans Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 Does anyone know where I might be able to get some sort of plans for a QJ 2-10-2? I want to build one in O gauge. I guess I could use just driver size and go from there. I assume they were 63". Thanks for your help. W L Gwyer ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2041-1068391043-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 16:23:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10675 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:23:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hA9FHUg24291 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:17:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2041-1068391043-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 15:17:24 -0000 X-Sender: pghogan@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75210 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 15:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 15:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 15:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 15:17:05 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Paul Hogan" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.74 X-Yahoo-Profile: pgh220 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:17:04 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Off Topic: Seeking info on Vietnam Steam charters Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 I beg the Moderator's indulgence for this one, as I am hoping this group has sufficient international spread to steer me in the right direction! Please send any replies off-list, see address below. I will be in Vietnam for about a week in mid November. While researching any rail related activities, I found a link on Rob Dickinson's site to a Berlin based group called Intra Express. They are running several steam hauled charters out of Hanoi in the same period as my visit (141 class 2-8-2's and possibly the country's last metre gauage tank engine, a Japanese 131). Naturally I would like to take this rare opportunity to photograph them as I'll be in the vicinity. (Actually I was going to Saigon, but for this I can arrange a hasty detour!). I emailed Intra Express asking if they would accept a casual "day passenger" on their charters in return for a suitable cash contribution to their tour overheads, but have received a generally discouraging response. The alternative is a big unknown - to try and hire a car and driver and follow the some of the trips - the line to Hai Phong at least seems to parallel a major road, but I'm not sure about their other destinations. Does anyone know someone who is travelling on this tour and who could confirm departure times etc, and the exact itinery? I'm not going to commit to going up there unless I can establish exactly what is running and when. The schedule as advertised on the Intra Express website is : Nov 22 - Hanoi to Hai Phong (coastal port) and return Nov 23 - Hanoi to Dong Dang (near Chinese border) Nov 24 - Hanoi to Luu Xa and return Nov 25 - Hanoi to Bim Son (cement works) and on to Than Hoa, where tour party will connect with regular express to Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City). Any info would be appreciated, together with comments on the logistical difficulties of trying to motorcade trains in Vietnam! As Yahoo has a habit of truncating email addresses, my address for replies in longhand form is : pghogan at bigpond dot com. Many thanks, Paul Hogan Sydney ps To get somewhat back on topic, I'll also be heading back to Jingpeng in February.:-) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2042-1068393174-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 16:53:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11768 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:53:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hA9Fr1g25667 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:53:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2042-1068393174-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 15:52:55 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96022 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 15:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 15:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 15:52:53 -0000 Received: from 66-44-2-96.s604.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.96] helo=S0028187519) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1AIrrv-0002NX-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 10:52:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c3a6d9$890731d0$60022c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Cerny" X-Originating-IP: 207.172.4.62 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:52:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] QJ plans Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 The driver diameter on a QJ is 1500mm, or about 59 inches. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "wgwyer" To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] QJ plans > Does anyone know where I might be able to get some sort of plans for > a QJ 2-10-2? I want to build one in O gauge. I guess I could use > just driver size and go from there. I assume they were 63". > > Thanks for your help. > > W L Gwyer > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2043-1068394406-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 17:18:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12873 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:18:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hA9GDZg26492 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:13:35 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2043-1068394406-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2003 16:13:28 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68380 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2003 16:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2003 16:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2003 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from FarRailTours (dialin-145-254-069-044.arcor-ip.net [145.254.69.44]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 19D3E13777C; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:13:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00a501c3a6dc$8201ae30$2c45fe91@FarRailTours> To: , "Dave Habraken" References: <005a01c3a6b8$ca30e0a0$724b5351@pandora.be> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Originating-IP: 151.189.21.42 X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:48:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] first solo-trip to china Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 Hallo Dave, Thanks for the flowers! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Habraken To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] first solo-trip to china Hello; It's my first message to this group, so maybe I have to introduce myself a little bit. My name is Dave Habraken and I'm a steam-freak from Belgium. Different from Germany and Great-Britain, there aren't many Belgian steam-freaks who go to China. My first trip to China was led by the excellent guide Bernd Seiler. But... teachers don't earn to much and I like the adventure so I would like to go back on my own. Therefore, it 's great to me that this list exists with all it's info. Keep on the good work, I would say! In december, we will go to China with two persons. We planned a visit to Zhungeer but soon, I read the news about the electrification plans so I had to change our plans too. At this point, we are interested in visiting Pingdingshan, JingPeng (yes, the Japanese circus is over there but I can't choose my holidays as a teacher), Tiefa and a steel work. I have some questions regarding my plans: - what do I have to write on my VISA-request? I suppose "tourist", but which places do I mention/don't I mention? Tourist Cities: Beijing, Shenyang, Chifeng, Zhengzhou - do not mention other places! and: do I have to write down that I go with CITS, or can I write down that I will visit China on my own? This field you have to let empty (I mean the field "inviting company" or somewhat similar) - how can I arrange a hotel in advance at Reshui, Pingdingshan or Tiefa? I suppose, making a reservation at Reshui is the most important because of all the people hanging out there around new Year. not necessary if you're allone. In Reshui there is always a place for a single (or two) persons. All the other cities have no problms to accomodate you. If you want to have a reservation in Reshui, I can do it for you. - I surely want to go to a steelwork where you can see the molten metals coming into the wagons and see the wagons tipping the molten slags. Also I would like to see some decorated engines and it seems to me, some steelworks have quite a lot. Has anybody of you got ideas which steelwork gives me the best opportunities for all of this? How can I obtain a guide for such a steelwork? How much does this cost? Bernd: I can't make it to your visit to Benxi: I arrive one day to late at Beijing... Baotou and Banxi are good for this without hassle. Benxi: a group of five persons has to pay about 45 - 60 Euro per person for one day. Contact CITS Jilin citsjlp@public.cc.jl.cn Ask for smaller groups. - do you have any suggestions for narrow gauge with steam in a reasonable distance from the places mentioned above? I know Dahuichang, but are there other possibilities? Only Huanan is left in the northern areas. But it's still far away from your route. Do not underestimate the risk of a break. Sometimes there is no traffic for more than one week. I hope I don't bother you to much with all my "amateuristic" questions. That's the goup is made for too! It's quite an adventure for the first time so a good preparation is very important to me. I hope to get some useful answers and would allready like to thank you a lot for your help. Afterwards, I will write a full report for this group of course. Regards, Dave Habraken Good luck! As I'm at the same time in China (until Dec 26th), in case you need help call (0)1368/120 52 42 (you'll find the number on my name card - you should have one). Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2057-1068624923-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 09:23:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14626 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:23:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAC8FUg21014 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:15:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2057-1068624923-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 08:15:23 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33411 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 08:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 08:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 08:15:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 08:15:21 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.91 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:15:21 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] hotel Beijing Xi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 Has any of you ever stayed in the railway hotel at Beijing Xi railway station - or do you know its rates? Last year I stayed at the railway hotel in Shenyang Bei and at Y128 it was probably the best value for money I ever encountered in China... ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2058-1068637498-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 12:51:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17764 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:50:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hACBj5g09526 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:45:05 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2058-1068637498-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 11:44:58 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67569 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 11:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 11:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 11:44:56 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HO8LYS00.600 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:44:52 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1a5df91a71ef.1a71ef1a5df9@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en From: X-Originating-IP: 210.50.199.20 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:44:52 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan hotels & film at airports Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 Can any one provide some info re hotel options in Tonchuan other then the Red Rose. I remember a report somewhere that listed hotels opposite the yard & station that had reasonable prices. Had confrontation at sydney airport before departure with a woman exerting her authority demanding first that film & camera go through xray after I refused she said ok to film but then demanded that I open the camera, with a no, she the demanded the lens cap off to see through the lens. Singapore, similar problem with the exception that they wanted for to take a flash shot, gave flash tester a go through I went. Shanghau railway, main bag went through ok, & showed them the camera out & pointed to backpack, & said camera, ok through the gate. currency exchange; some agents are cutting the excchange rate with heavy commission. China Construction Banks charges bo commission . Interesting motive power of trains betweem Nanjing & Xuzhou. All goods trains had engines showing ND3 & ND5 on cab sides same as ND3 shown on Robin Gibbons site. 2 `north bound trains has a ND with DF4B in orange pait scheme. 2 trains with 2 ND's there was a huge amount of traffid over this route in both directions. One Nd was in a faded blue & yellow colour, & another in ex works paint scheme of yellow running board, blue body with upper part of body & roof in grey. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2059-1068644582-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 14:47:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20082 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:47:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hACDhAg21261 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:43:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2059-1068644582-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 13:43:02 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69619 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 13:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 13:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 13:42:57 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AJvGq-0004i4-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:42:56 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AJvGl-0003PH-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:42:51 +0100 Message-ID: <3FB238D9.914A51C1@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <1a5df91a71ef.1a71ef1a5df9@goconnect.net> From: Florian Menius X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.185 X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:42:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan hotels & film at airports Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 Tongchuan Hotel: I recommand the "KeCheZhan BinGuan" (literally "bus terminal hotel"), which is part of the bus terminal. It is very close to Tongchuan Nan station and from the upper floors, it would be possible to see the steam loco stabling from your window - at least if there weren`t any trees... Prices between 20Y and 120Y for a double. Florian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2060-1068648927-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 16:00:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00653 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hACEtYg27753 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:55:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2060-1068648927-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2003 14:55:27 -0000 X-Sender: iejiej@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39724 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2003 14:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2003 14:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21403.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.232.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 14:55:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20031112145523.33689.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.151.190.26] by web21403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:55:23 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: From: ian juden X-Originating-IP: 216.136.232.73 X-Yahoo-Profile: iejiej MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:55:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] hotel Beijing Xi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 Yes. It has everything from dorms to 2/4 bed rooms. I booked early in the morning (4.00am) and only just got in, as demand is heavy. In 2000 a single cost (if I remember correctly) about 180 rmb. It had a shower, was very small, a bit worn but clean, and no windows. About the same standard as the westlake at Baotou, but about half the size. Good value for BJ. --- ameling algra wrote: > Has any of you ever stayed in the railway hotel at > Beijing Xi railway > station - or do you know its rates? Last year I > stayed at the railway > hotel in Shenyang Bei and at Y128 it was probably > the best value for > money I ever encountered in China... > > ameling > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2061-1068735261-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 16:06:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01415 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:06:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hADEsVg04208 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:54:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2061-1068735261-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 14:54:24 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82937 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 14:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 14:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.187) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 14:54:16 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AKIrP-0006kF-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:54:15 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AKIrP-0004PO-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:54:15 +0100 Message-ID: <3FB39B17.91E9EEBD@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com From: Florian Menius X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.187 X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:54:15 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Photo Contest Result Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 I finally managed to finish PHOTO COMPETITON II. Here, you`ll find the results: http://www.qj-country.de/news or ( http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~menius/trains/gallery5.htm ) Best regards, Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2062-1068748669-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 19:46:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20742 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:46:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hADIc0g23625 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:38:00 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2062-1068748669-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 18:37:50 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17371 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 18:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 18:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 18:37:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 18:35:22 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FB39B17.91E9EEBD@qj-country.de> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.81 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:35:21 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Photo Contest Result Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 Hello everyone, Congratulations to all entrants to the photo contest - many of the photos are absolutely outstanding. Thank you for sharing them with us. Your win was well deserved Florian - a true mastershot! Best wishes, Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Florian Menius wrote: > I finally managed to finish PHOTO COMPETITON II. > Here, you`ll find the results: > > http://www.qj-country.de/news > or ( http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~menius/trains/gallery5.htm ) > > Best regards, > > Florian Menius > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2063-1068868233-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 04:55:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14678 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:55:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAF3oeg28174 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:50:40 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2063-1068868233-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 03:50:34 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52940 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 03:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 03:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 03:50:30 -0000 Received: from 66-44-3-226.s988.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.226] helo=S0028187519) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #3) id 1AKrS9-00030Y-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c3ab2b$9c228fc0$e2032c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Cerny" X-Originating-IP: 207.172.4.60 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:50:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] 200th Anniversary of the Steam Locomotive Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 28 Ian My apologies to all Welshmen for this error. Thanks for the correction. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian bowskill" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] 200th Anniversary of the Steam Locomotive > Louis, > You will have annoyed all Welshmen on the list and elsewhere. > Trevithick was an Englishman but the Penydaren tramway was in Wales. > > Rgds > Ian > > On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 12:20 AM, notenfrog wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > Saturday, February 21, 2004 will mark the 200th anniversary of the > > first operation of a railroad steam locomotive, 9.7 miles from > > Penydaren to Abercynon in England. It was an 0-4-0 designed by > > Richard Trevithick. > > > > I would suggest that every steam enthusiast in China at that time > > make an extra toast to the occasion. > > > > Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2064-1068869830-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 05:20:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15107 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:20:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAF4HGg29158 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:17:16 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2064-1068869830-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 04:17:10 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22104 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 04:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 04:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.147) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 04:17:07 -0000 Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031115041704.SJZL18096.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:17:04 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([210.86.98.203]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031115041706.VABN12184.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:17:06 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "John Agnew" X-Originating-IP: 210.86.15.147 X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:17:06 +1300 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] New Discoveries, Part 4 of 4 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 Gidday Louis, am busy planning our groups visit for late March 04. Where are your maps of Nanpiao and Yangjiazhangzi-Jinxi please? Also did you do a trip report after your initial memos 1 - 4? I want to include these lines this trip as well as Huanan N G. I read somewhere that Bill Alboroughs group got escorted out of Nanpiao? Dont know why? Do you know anything about it? Appreciate your help as always, regards John ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2065-1068875495-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 06:56:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19963 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:56:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAF5phg31771 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:51:43 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2065-1068875495-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 05:51:36 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68948 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 05:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 05:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 05:51:33 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HODPLV00.4GD for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:51:31 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1bcf681be68a.1be68a1bcf68@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en From: X-Originating-IP: 210.50.199.20 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:51:31 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Peit-Tun Coal Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 One day visit on 13/11 revealed the followwing engines on company roster DF4 7693, 7694; SY 2024; QJ 3425 dumped, 6309,7022, 7075, 7077*, 7094 7125, 7150 Dumped, 7176*, All engines seen except 7077,. QJ 7077 & 7176 fully coaled, bout out of use. Works staff in office indicated they were waiting to go to workshops for overhauls. SY 2024 is used for transfer work between the various mines radiating from Pei-tun. It came in L/E from line 2 & took out a load of empties to line 1. It is not unusual for the empties to be worked out & the engine return to Pei-Tun for other work, as was the case with DF 7693. DF7694 worked in with a loaded coal tain from line 1, & then retutrned to the depot. This loaded train was not left in the yard, so I can only presume that QJ7077 worked it out as it was the only engine not seen On to Tingchuan in the land of infernal dust Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2066-1068885705-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 09:46:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27332 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:46:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAF8fqg05030 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:41:52 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2066-1068885705-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 08:41:46 -0000 X-Sender: Bulleid34081@mac.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90851 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 08:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 08:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 08:41:45 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([80.1.19.243]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031115084142.YKUO28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@mac.com> for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:41:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3FB5E6B5.6030205@mac.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <002301c3ab2b$9c228fc0$e2032c42@S0028187519> In-Reply-To: <002301c3ab2b$9c228fc0$e2032c42@S0028187519> From: ian bowskill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.164.42 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:41:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] 200th Anniversary of the Steam Locomotive Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 Louis, No problems. It would appear that I have upset all Cornishmen by calling Trevithick English. For anyone who is interested, a working replica of Trevithick's Penydaren locomotive can be found at the Museum of Iron, Coalbrookdale, Ironbridge. Rgds Ian Cerny wrote: >Ian > >My apologies to all Welshmen for this error. Thanks for the correction. > >Louis Cerny > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ian bowskill" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:03 PM >Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] 200th Anniversary of the Steam Locomotive > > > > >>Louis, >>You will have annoyed all Welshmen on the list and elsewhere. >>Trevithick was an Englishman but the Penydaren tramway was in Wales. >> >>Rgds >>Ian >> >>On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 12:20 AM, notenfrog wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello all, >>> >>>Saturday, February 21, 2004 will mark the 200th anniversary of the >>>first operation of a railroad steam locomotive, 9.7 miles from >>>Penydaren to Abercynon in England. It was an 0-4-0 designed by >>>Richard Trevithick. >>> >>>I would suggest that every steam enthusiast in China at that time >>>make an extra toast to the occasion. >>> >>>Louis Cerny >>> >>> > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2067-1068889674-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 10:50:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29735 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:50:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAF9m1g07481 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:48:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2067-1068889674-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 09:47:55 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53403 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 09:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 09:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 09:47:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 09:47:53 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.65 X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:47:52 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New China Rail timetable Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 32 Is anyone from the UK visiting China between now and mid-December who could bring me back a current timetable - alternatively is there anyone who has recently returned who could loan me a copy? 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2068-1068893335-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 11:51:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03242 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:51:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAFAn2g09824 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:49:02 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2068-1068893335-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 10:48:56 -0000 X-Sender: pcc7407@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82040 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 10:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 10:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out006.verizon.net) (206.46.170.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 10:48:52 -0000 Received: from computer ([141.156.32.246]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20031115104852.QYB1413.out006.verizon.net@computer> for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:48:52 -0600 Message-ID: <004801c3ab65$bb41bcc0$0348fea9@computer> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.32.246] at Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:48:51 -0600 From: "James Hutzler" X-Originating-IP: 206.46.170.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:46:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Photo Contest Result Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 33 To Florian: Thanks so much for running the photo contest. I have really enjoyed all of the wonderful shots that have been entered. Thanks also to all those who have entered the photos. There were so many great ones! A feast for the eyes........ Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Bowden To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Photo Contest Result Hello everyone, Congratulations to all entrants to the photo contest - many of the photos are absolutely outstanding. Thank you for sharing them with us. Your win was well deserved Florian - a true mastershot! Best wishes, Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Florian Menius wrote: > I finally managed to finish PHOTO COMPETITON II. > Here, you`ll find the results: > > http://www.qj-country.de/news > or ( http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~menius/trains/gallery5.htm ) > > Best regards, > > Florian Menius > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2069-1068924948-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 20:41:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28997 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:41:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAFJZsg02479 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:35:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2069-1068924948-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 19:35:48 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89040 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 19:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 19:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 19:35:46 -0000 Received: from 66-44-6-196.s1720.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.6.196] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1AL6Cv-0003Pz-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:35:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c3abaf$a9eca2b0$c4062c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Cerny" X-Originating-IP: 207.172.4.61 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:35:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New Discoveries, Part 4 of 4 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 34 John Agnew The maps of the Nanpiao and Yangjiazhangzi lines are on Rob Dickinson's website as well as Florian Menius' website at www.qj-country.de On Florian's website, just look under "Trip Reports" for August 2003. The full report texts are there also. It should be noted that more recent reports now show two diesels at Nanpiao, so that line is no longer 100% steam, but Yangjiazhangzi is till 100% steam. I don't know that Bill Alborough's group "got escorted out of Nanpiao." My understanding is that they were told to stop taking any more photographs. If you have more questions after reading the reports, please let me know. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Agnew" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] New Discoveries, Part 4 of 4 > > Gidday Louis, am busy planning our groups visit for late March 04. Where are > your maps of Nanpiao and Yangjiazhangzi-Jinxi please? Also did you do a trip > report after your initial memos 1 - 4? I want to include these lines this > trip as well as Huanan N G. I read somewhere that Bill Alboroughs group got > escorted out of Nanpiao? Dont know why? > Do you know anything about it? > Appreciate your help as always, regards John > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2070-1068925792-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 20:51:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29484 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAFJnwg03301 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:49:58 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2070-1068925792-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2003 19:49:52 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70275 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 19:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 19:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web5-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.245) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 19:49:49 -0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by web5-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031115194946.FPPP12809.web5-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:49:46 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([210.86.98.109]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031115194948.LLRC20103.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:49:48 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002a01c3abaf$a9eca2b0$c4062c42@S0028187519> From: "John Agnew" X-Originating-IP: 210.86.15.245 X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:49:46 +1300 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Nanpiao etc Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 35 Louis Cerny, many thanks for that info, appreciated, John ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2071-1068951498-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 04:00:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA12183 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 04:00:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAG2wPg18218 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:58:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2071-1068951498-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2003 02:58:18 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78095 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 02:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2003 02:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 02:58:16 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HOFC9100.0BC for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:58:13 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1c364f1c69c6.1c69c61c364f@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en From: X-Originating-IP: 210.50.199.20 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:58:12 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New China Rail timetable Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 36 Dave I just sent 2 copies to Bernd Seiler, so don't know howw long beforrre he gets it. But from my observations on the trains that ii have caught from shanghai -Xuzhou -Xi'an, alssso looking at the stations depaarture boards there are none in these sections, if you have Duncan's it should suffice. Colin Hussey. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" Date: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:47 pm Subject: [Steam_in_China] New China Rail timetable > > > > > Is anyone from the UK visiting China between now and mid-December > who > > could bring me back a current timetable - alternatively is there > > anyone who has recently returned who could loan me a copy? I have > an > > October 2002 edition - are there many changes? > > > > David Longman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2072-1069063394-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 11:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06394 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:07:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAHA3Lg12214 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:03:21 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2072-1069063394-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 10:03:15 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6164 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 10:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 10:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 10:03:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 1323 invoked by uid 65534); 17 Nov 2003 10:03:10 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b80d47.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO peter) (217.184.13.71) by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 11:03:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3FB8AAE5.2180.19D519@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1068974736.314.46810.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body From: "Peter Patt" X-Originating-IP: 213.165.64.20 X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:03:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New China Rail timetable Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 37 Dave wrote: > Is anyone from the UK visiting China between now and mid-December who > could bring me back a current timetable I am going to China next week and will return end of November. If you trust the German mail service, I could mail it after my return. Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2073-1069065820-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 11:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13350 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:56:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAHAhlg15765 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:43:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2073-1069065820-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 10:43:41 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20012 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 10:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 10:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 10:43:39 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HOHSGM00.25V for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:43:34 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1ccafe1cc9ad.1cc9ad1ccafe@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en From: X-Originating-IP: 210.50.199.20 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:43:34 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38 Arrived here Saturday 14th @ 1210. Jf2368 & 69 in steam at steam at station, they did not not turn a wheel untill 1600 when sent back to main stabling point. JF2113,2182, in steam but no longer seam to be classed as running engines, strictly spares, in 3 days they never moved with one person keeping steam as back up. Today Monday 16th one uphill at around 0600 & next @ 1530. 6 DF&'s in use, it would only take 1 or 2 more DF7's to finish off the JF's. Crews indicate they will completely finish in 2004. I think it will be early 2004, if they last till then Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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As I do not leave until 18 December I will have faith in the German mail service and also the mail service of Great Britain. Thank you for your response. I will mail you my home address as a private e-mail --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2075-1069093695-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 19:39:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11955 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:39:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAHISQg28852 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:28:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2075-1069093695-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2003 18:28:18 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6155 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2003 18:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2003 18:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.web.de) (217.72.192.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2003 18:28:16 -0000 Received: from [134.147.117.16] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.99 #516) id 1ALo6i-0004a8-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:28:16 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 Message-Id: <200311171829.10401.hubbertweb@web.de> Sender: hubbertweb@web.de From: ";-)" X-Originating-IP: 217.72.192.208 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:29:10 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Mafia Story Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 40 Last Thuersday, my last morning with action in China. Everything started working fine: Clear, windless weather. Woke up a taxi-driver in Reshui at 6.30 who delivered me quickly up to Erdi. for just 20 RMB. He took the money without coment and disappeared. Got my self into position on the hills for the classic shot. The thrash of a train came to my ears when the sun just touched the top of the hills. And the sun rose und iluminated the bridge in fine light when the train approched - thats perfect, I thought! Then, 5 seconds before the picture, came - the wind! And wrecked the whole thing! The weather became dull soon after and I said to my self: "O.K., that was it, let`s go home!" I walked down the dirt road. My mind was occupied with the missed oportunity and the way ahead back to Beijing. Then they came. First I did not associate the big dark green-metallic Padjero-or-so tank passing me when I shuffled through the second small village that is a few hundred meteres from the T-junction. Then it turned around, stopped beside me and the co-drivers door opened. Then I knew what`s up. A young lady stepped out and addressed me: She: "Hello Sir, we are from the government and ... blah blah ..." Me: "Nice for you" (without turning my head, I continued my march) She: (Walking after me, the tank following up slowly) "We are collecting the fee for the tourism ... blah blah ..." Me: (Marching, a short look to her with rised eyebrowes) "Really?" She: (Walking after me, getting breathless) "This documents shows that we ... blah blah ..." Me: (Walking) "I am impressed!" She: "Please! Can you stay?" Me: (Walking) "No, I must go." She turned around to the car, saying something into the direction of the driver (whom I could not see - dark windows) with some laughter. She entered the Jeep which passed me and disappeared. Beside was a very old village-man, who was collecting animal-shit into a bucket with a kind of nippers and I smiled and waved to him. He smiled back broadly and suddenly an unexpected sentimenent of happiness rose up within myself. A that moment came the right idea to me, what to do with this bucket of shit. And I was really in the mood for doing this! But sadly, the big jeep had gone. Not at all! When I left the village, I saw the mafia-tank waiting at the T-junction. No question why and for whom they where waiting. One like me has to go there for the next lift. No, I dont have to! About 50 m before the junction, I left the dirt road to the eastern direction and went across the field, bypassing the junction. Nothing happened, but when I came closer to the highway, the maf-mobile started and intercepted me about 5 meteres before I came to the highway. I walked parallel to the highway - still on the field. The car paced up. The window opened and the lady started her "blah blah" I turned around 180 degrees and walked in the opposite direction, still on the field, towards the junction. The jeep did not follow me and disappeared in Reshui direction. Conclusion: The mafia has now a very appropriate and comfortable car to do their job. With this kind of transport it is also convinient to take the translator around! But they don`t have in mind to get their feed or the big wheels of their shiny car dirty by going into a field to chase a dude like me. Maybe they think: "From this dude we might end up with only 50 Y at the end, or even nothing. Let`s forget him - to hard work" With that much money flowing from all the visitors, this discomfort ain`t really making sense. So as they do not make propper use of their 4wd-facillity anyway, I would not wonder if they go around with a Lexus or S-class next year. So help them and pay all fees the "Keqi Tourist Knocking-house" is requesting from you. Heinrich Hubbert ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2076-1069115799-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 01:41:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03022 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 01:41:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAI0akg20467 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 01:36:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2076-1069115799-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2003 00:36:40 -0000 X-Sender: Bulleid34081@mac.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72900 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 00:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 00:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 00:36:37 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([80.1.21.199]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031118003636.BNJH399.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@mac.com> for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:36:36 +0000 Message-ID: <3FB96982.70209@mac.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <002a01c3abaf$a9eca2b0$c4062c42@S0028187519> In-Reply-To: <002a01c3abaf$a9eca2b0$c4062c42@S0028187519> From: ian bowskill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.164.41 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:36:18 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Digital Cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 41 Hi, Have any list members had extensive experience of digital cameras in China? A friend of mine is thinking of going digital and joining me in China after Xmas. He wants to know how they perform in the cold. My limited experience is that the rechargeable battery in my Fuji 6900 didn't like the cold one bit and soon lost its charge but as I only used the camera for some 'happy snaps', I wasn't worried. My friend however would be using digital as his main equipment and would like one that performed well in the cold. Any help would be most appreciated. Rgds Ian > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2077-1069146887-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 10:20:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02209 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:20:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAI9Erg13625 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:14:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2077-1069146887-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2003 09:14:47 -0000 X-Sender: andy@hunterimagebank.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22868 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 09:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 09:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO proxy.syd) (203.23.236.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 09:14:46 -0000 Received: from hib (dialup83.zephir.dragon.net.au [203.23.239.211]) by proxy.syd (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAI9Eip22537 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:14:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andy@hunterimagebank.com.au) Message-ID: <001201c3adb4$78541240$d3ef17cb@hib> To: References: <002a01c3abaf$a9eca2b0$c4062c42@S0028187519> <3FB96982.70209@mac.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Andy Warren" X-Originating-IP: 203.23.236.66 X-Yahoo-Profile: andywarr2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:15:10 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digital Cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 42 Hi Ian I think lithium batteries are the way to go, I think that lithium rechargeables are now available for most cameras but as to which camera to use, I think any of the better brands ie Nikon, Canon, Minolta etc etc would do the job. I don't have first hand experience with digital cameras or with a Chinese winter yet, I start my first trip there on Saturday. You can ask Markus Fischer at markus.fischer@dplanet.ch He used digital for many of his great shots at the pass last winter, I think he used a Sony camera. Drop him a line he was very helpful to me. Also check out his site, he has some great shots and a very nice site. http://markusworldwide.ch/Raiways/Steam/China/JiTong/JiTongMain.htm Andy Warren ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2084-1069183021-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 20:22:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14714 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:21:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAIJI6g05044 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:18:13 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2084-1069183021-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2003 19:17:07 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18474 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2003 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.203.89]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031118191649.DAWV10421.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:16:49 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FB96982.70209@mac.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.162.41 X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:16:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digital Cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 49 Ian, I used a Fuji S2 powered by NiMH AA batteries on last February's trip. We never experienced ultra cold conditions but the temperature got down to -10C or so on several occasions. The batteries performed fine, lasting about 4 days between charges (I usually get about 5 days in temperate conditions). There's a good article on battery performance on the dpfwiw website: http://www.cliffshade.com/dpfwiw/batteries.htm#cold Note in particular that the problem is not batteries losing their charge. It's just that they can't deliver it if they're too cold. Stick them in a warm pocket for half an hour and they'll recover. So the advice seems to be always carry a spare set in an inside pocket. Hope this is useful, Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2086-1069217434-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 05:51:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10049 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 05:51:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAJ4oeg02392 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 05:50:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2086-1069217434-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 04:50:34 -0000 X-Sender: jraby@gol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96594 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 04:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 04:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 04:50:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 04:50:31 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "john_raby" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.85 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_raby MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 04:50:30 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Interested in joining a China tour in February Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 51 I finish work in Japan at the end of January and currently plan to leave Japan around Feb 15. However, a trip to Eritrea in late Feb is likely postponed and I don't like the thought of going back to the UK in mid-Feb! I, therefore, find myself available for a China trip anytime in Feb (or early March). Any individual looking for a companion or tour leader looking for participants for a China trip in Feb is invited to contact me off list. I have no objection to Jingpeng but would also like to get other places such as Huanan (often closed at that time of year, I must admit) and the new industrial lines that Louis Cerny has discovered. While being a hardcore narrow gauge steam fan, I am also interested in standard gauge steam and non-steam-worked narrow gauge. John Raby ps: anyone who doesn't know me is welcome to check out my website http://www2.gol.com/users/jraby/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2087-1069222289-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 07:16:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16255 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:16:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAJ6BZg05275 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:11:36 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2087-1069222289-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 06:11:30 -0000 X-Sender: pghogan@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59930 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 06:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 06:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 06:11:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 06:11:27 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FB96982.70209@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Paul Hogan" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.80 X-Yahoo-Profile: pgh220 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 06:11:26 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Digital Cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 52 I used an Olympus C5050Z in February this year with good results. I carried three sets of rechargeable NiMH AA's, with a spare set keeping warm in an inside jacket pocket if needed. As Roger noted, the cameras and batteries coped well with February conditions, and I only had an early "field change" on one morning that started at -28C. Just keeping the camera inside the backpack between shots would keep the batteries sufficiently warm to last a whole days shooting. Another tip for budding digital photographers is to acquire a device called an "X Drive". I borrowed one for this years trip, and was impressed and have since purchased one - basically it's a 20Gig portable storage device to download your memory cards each night. I think the newer USB -2 models go up to 60Gig - more than enough for a lengthy trip! Using this device, you only need a couple of 256 or 512M cards and can upload and refresh them each night. The X drive works off mains power with a suitable plug (my one actually came with a Chinese style two pin). You need a USB cable to upload to your PC when you get home. It is small enough to tuck in the camera bag and a lot more portable than carrying a Notebook. With the use of the X- Drive, I shot almost 2.5 Gig of high resolution pics on the trip. But haven't had the time to Photoshop them since! Cheers, PGH ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2088-1069259734-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 17:37:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19633 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:37:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAJGZfg27448 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:35:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2088-1069259734-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 16:35:35 -0000 X-Sender: johnmday@telus.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11592 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 16:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 16:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 16:35:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 16:34:13 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20031119011323.00b318e0@pop3.pipeline.com.au> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "John Day" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.106 X-Yahoo-Profile: trolleyjolly MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:34:09 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Digital Cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 53 I too used a D60 as my main camera last January and had only two batteries with me; I can't recall a field change at all. An earlier Canon D1 used by someone else on the trip failed to hold a charge for very long and was frequently out of action, despite it being an absolutely top-of-the-line camera. Previously I'd used a little Nikon 885 and I did go through as many as three charged batteries in one day--and generally I'd say that the weather was not as cold when using the Nikon (which I'd definitely not recommend for a whole bunch of reasons). One thing to check when buying a digital, especially the compact type which can take quite superb pictures, is how much range you have in f- stop/shutter speed combinations. For example, the Nikon had no shutter priority mode, you get a fast shutter speed by asking for a larger aperture (smaller f-number). That's fairly straightforward and quite a common way of doing things but it causes a lot of problems in railway photography if the camera only has two available f-stop settings (basically wide open and stopped down; the f-number varies with the focal length setting on the zoom). In many cases, shooting wide open can result in overexposure in snowy conditions while shooting stopped down can result in insufficient shutter speed to stop the action. This was not expected with such an expensive camera. This also occurred in "program mode" and is limited by the physical availability of the two aperture settings. The D60 and its successors have no such problem offering a full range of shutter speed and f-stop settings. I have, however, experienced some problems using the Canon image stablizing lenses in the cold weather - they just don't seem to do a very good job. (Anyone else experience this). Proving that there's nothing like a tripod which is well worth lugging along--hey, you can use it as a walking stick for going up and down all those frozen hills. John Day --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Roger Gillard wrote: > Hi Ian, > I used a Canon D60 in Feb this year at Jingpeng. It uses a > pretty powerful rechargable Li Ion battery. I had a spare with me as well. > I never had to change batteries in the field due to low charge. I recharged > every night and everything was fine. Previously with my Canon EOS cameras I > needed spare batteries because when things were very cold I would lose > power and have to swap batteries just before shooting. (These were Li CR5's > I think). Now Feb 2003 wasn't super cold but we did have a few > -20C mornings. > > Cheers, > Roger > > > > > At 12:36 AM 18/11/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi, > >Have any list members had extensive experience of digital cameras in > >China? A friend of mine is thinking of going digital and joining me in China > >after Xmas. He wants to know how they perform in the cold. My limited > >experience is that the rechargeable battery in my Fuji 6900 didn't like > >the cold > >one bit and soon lost its charge but as I only used the camera for some > >'happy snaps', I wasn't worried. My friend however would be using > >digital as his main > >equipment and would like one that performed well in the cold. Any help > >would be most appreciated. > > > >Rgds > >Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- > Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@p... ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2089-1069260521-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 17:52:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20722 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:52:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAJGmmg28352 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:48:48 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2089-1069260521-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 16:48:41 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58543 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 16:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 16:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 16:48:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 16:46:46 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.67 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:46:46 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Digital Cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 54 Hello, some remarks about the x-drive, though it does not provide a solution for battery condition in cold weather; There are several other types apart from the X-drive (though I think X-drive was the first). The cheapest I found on the net was the Image Tank - just use Google & you will see the shops. But maybe it is different if your camera uses other cards than compact flash as the cheaper storage devices need adapters to take other cards. Another thing is of course that it is once again a piece of equipment with its adapter and so on... I think most photographers could do just as well with two 1 Gig compact flash cards. A bit more expensive but no weight at all... ameling --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Hogan" wrote:> Another tip for budding digital photographers is to acquire a device > called an "X Drive". I borrowed one for this years trip, and was > impressed and have since purchased one - basically it's a 20Gig > portable storage device to download your memory cards each night. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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File : /Valentine China /BiligouGoingAwayB%26W.jpg Uploaded by : sudbahn Description : "Long may you run" Feb 2003 Photo: M. Ross Valentine You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/files/Valentine%20China%20/BiligouGoingAwayB%2526W.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, sudbahn ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2096-1069263746-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 18:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25046 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:47:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAJHgWg31865 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:42:33 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2096-1069263746-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 17:42:26 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48598 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 17:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 17:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 17:42:25 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMWLQ-000L2o-0V for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:42:24 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c3aec4$7867fdd0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "mr" X-Originating-IP: 194.217.242.89 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:42:14 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Digital Cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 63 I have just gone digital on my last China trip - it was quite warm so I can't really comment on battery life, BUT image storage can be a problem. I needed a "Phototainer" which is basically a notebook sized 20GB drive for dumping the 1GB cards onto. The problem with an high resolution camera is RAW files are over 10MB and TIFs are 32MB, so even taking several microdrives or disks, you soon run out of space. The Phototainer also has a small 3.5 inch flip up screen which is great for reviewing images in the evening and avoids reviewing them on the camera which seems to be quite a heavy drain on the batteries. It is the size of a pocket notebook and fits very easily in the camera bag and I would certainly reccommend it as a light weight way of coping with 2 or 3 weeks of photography without having to take a lap top with you. I purchased it from Colchester Photographic and you can find it on the web under "phototainer". Michael Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: "ameling algra" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Digital Cameras > Hello, > > some remarks about the x-drive, though it does not provide a > solution for battery condition in cold weather; > There are several other types apart from the X-drive (though I think > X-drive was the first). The cheapest I found on the net was the > Image Tank - just use Google & you will see the shops. But maybe it > is different if your camera uses other cards than compact flash as > the cheaper storage devices need adapters to take other cards. > Another thing is of course that it is once again a piece of > equipment with its adapter and so on... I think most photographers > could do just as well with two 1 Gig compact flash cards. A bit more > expensive but no weight at all... > > ameling > > --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Hogan" > wrote:> Another tip for budding digital photographers is to acquire > a device > > called an "X Drive". I borrowed one for this years trip, and was > > impressed and have since purchased one - basically it's a 20Gig > > portable storage device to download your memory cards each night. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2102-1069264610-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 19:01:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26071 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:01:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAJHv0g32695 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:57:00 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2102-1069264610-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 17:56:54 -0000 X-Sender: sudbahn@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65513 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 17:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 17:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 17:56:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 17:56:49 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "M. Ross Valentine" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.84 X-Yahoo-Profile: sudbahn MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:56:45 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Digital Cameras/ New File Uploads Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 67 Mr Day wrote: > I have, however, experienced some problems using the Canon image > stablizing lenses in the cold weather - they just don't seem to do a > very good job. (Anyone else experience this). Proving that there's > nothing like a tripod which is well worth lugging along--hey, you can > use it as a walking stick for going up and down all those frozen > hills. > The discussion about digital camera perfomance is of interest to me as I plan to switch 100% to digital for my next trip, so I appreciate the feedback. Concerning Canon IS lenses, this is disappointing that John had this experience. I used these extensivly on my last trip Feb. 2003, and they worked fantastic, and I was able to take many photos quickly without the cumbersome use of a tripod. Many days were extremely cold -30, etc. I did note however that the more I used the IS feature, it did drain the camera batteries faster. I created a new file called "Valentine China" with some photos from my last trip there. Many were taken with IS lenses. -Enjoy -Ross ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2103-1069281455-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 23:50:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15553 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:50:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAJMjTg20648 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:45:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2103-1069281455-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 22:37:35 -0000 X-Sender: georgehart@tiscali.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98999 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 22:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 22:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 22:37:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 22:35:30 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "ghhart2000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.66 X-Yahoo-Profile: ghhart2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:35:28 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Digital cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id XAA15553 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 68 Hello, I bought a pack of Energizer AA non-rechargeable lithium batteries today. Marked on the pack are the temperatures 40 degrees C and +60 degrees C. I presume this is the operating temperature range. This should cover even the extremes of China. Regards, George Hart ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2104-1069283747-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 00:17:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16904 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:17:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAJNFrg22638 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:15:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2104-1069283747-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 23:15:47 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98650 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 23:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 23:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr31.hinet.net) (168.95.4.131) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 23:15:44 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-98-115.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.226.98.115]) by msr31.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16418 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:15:41 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <000001c3aef3$fdb1f4d0$7362e23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: <1ccafe1cc9ad.1cc9ad1ccafe@goconnect.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "BruceEvans" X-Originating-IP: 168.95.4.131 X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:59:55 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Pingdingshan-Wuyang, Luohe-Fuyang Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 69 Sometimes on the Chinese enthusiast website "hasea" photographs are posted that provide news of interest to this group. A surf this evening of some of the recent postings showed the following: 1. Industrial Bo-Bo diesel-electric GKD1 0021 working the Wuyang-Pingdingshan passenger on the steelworks line south of Pingdingshan. This diesel appears to be new since our visit to the line late last year when we were told the only diesels were the 2 DF12s. Another photograph showed the depot area with 4 SYs and one of the DF12s. 2. A BJ diesel-hydraulic with what appear to be Zhoukou depot characters on a passenger train from Luohe to Fuyang. Another picture is of a DF4 at Zhoukou. The most interesting photograph in this series, however, shows QJ 504 in steam and looking in reasonable condition at Zhoukou, I think. If the QJ number is correct then this must be one of the oldest members of this class still at work in China. Bruce Evans ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2105-1069285251-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 00:41:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17840 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:41:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAJNewg24017 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:40:58 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2105-1069285251-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 23:40:51 -0000 X-Sender: tony@tonylibby.free-online.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25458 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 23:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2003 23:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 23:40:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2003 23:40:46 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Profile: uktonytony MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:40:46 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam at Xinilhot - march 2003 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 70 Further to my message of 8 August I have now obtained some photos of our steam train with QJ 7140 at Xinilhot Station ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2106-1069287026-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 01:12:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19172 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:12:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK0AYg26065 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:10:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2106-1069287026-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 00:10:27 -0000 X-Sender: Bulleid34081@mac.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20185 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 00:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 00:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 00:10:23 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([81.103.218.122]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031120001020.CSHS21828.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@mac.com>; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:10:20 +0000 Message-ID: <3FBC065A.50001@mac.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: From: ian bowskill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.164.46 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:10:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Digital Cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 71 Thanks again to everyone for all the input, if this doesn't answer my colleague's questions then nothing will. Rgds Ian John Day wrote: >I too used a D60 as my main camera last January and had only two >batteries with me; I can't recall a field change at all. An earlier >Canon D1 used by someone else on the trip failed to hold a charge for >very long and was frequently out of action, despite it being an >absolutely top-of-the-line camera. > >Previously I'd used a little Nikon 885 and I did go through as many >as three charged batteries in one day--and generally I'd say that the >weather was not as cold when using the Nikon (which I'd definitely >not recommend for a whole bunch of reasons). > >One thing to check when buying a digital, especially the compact type >which can take quite superb pictures, is how much range you have in f- >stop/shutter speed combinations. For example, the Nikon had no >shutter priority mode, you get a fast shutter speed by asking for a >larger aperture (smaller f-number). That's fairly straightforward >and quite a common way of doing things but it causes a lot of >problems in railway photography if the camera only has two available >f-stop settings (basically wide open and stopped down; the f-number >varies with the focal length setting on the zoom). In many cases, >shooting wide open can result in overexposure in snowy conditions >while shooting stopped down can result in insufficient shutter speed >to stop the action. This was not expected with such an expensive >camera. This also occurred in "program mode" and is limited by the >physical availability of the two aperture settings. > >The D60 and its successors have no such problem offering a full range >of shutter speed and f-stop settings. > >I have, however, experienced some problems using the Canon image >stablizing lenses in the cold weather - they just don't seem to do a >very good job. (Anyone else experience this). Proving that there's >nothing like a tripod which is well worth lugging along--hey, you can >use it as a walking stick for going up and down all those frozen >hills. > >John Day > > >--- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Roger Gillard wrote: > > >>Hi Ian, >> I used a Canon D60 in Feb this year at Jingpeng. It >> >> >uses a > > >>pretty powerful rechargable Li Ion battery. I had a spare with me >> >> >as well. > > >>I never had to change batteries in the field due to low charge. I >> >> >recharged > > >>every night and everything was fine. Previously with my Canon EOS >> >> >cameras I > > >>needed spare batteries because when things were very cold I would >> >> >lose > > >>power and have to swap batteries just before shooting. (These were >> >> >Li CR5's > > >>I think). Now Feb 2003 wasn't super cold but we did have a few >>-20C mornings. >> >> Cheers, >> Roger >> >> >> >> >>At 12:36 AM 18/11/2003 +0000, you wrote: >> >> >>>Hi, >>>Have any list members had extensive experience of digital cameras >>> >>> >in > > >>>China? A friend of mine is thinking of going digital and joining >>> >>> >me in China > > >>>after Xmas. He wants to know how they perform in the cold. My >>> >>> >limited > > >>>experience is that the rechargeable battery in my Fuji 6900 didn't >>> >>> >like > > >>>the cold >>>one bit and soon lost its charge but as I only used the camera for >>> >>> >some > > >>>'happy snaps', I wasn't worried. My friend however would be using >>>digital as his main >>>equipment and would like one that performed well in the cold. Any >>> >>> >help > > >>>would be most appreciated. >>> >>>Rgds >>>Ian >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> >>> >>> >>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>> >>> >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------- > > >>Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@p... >> >> > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2107-1069287297-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 01:16:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19272 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:16:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK0F5g26287 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:15:05 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2107-1069287297-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 00:14:57 -0000 X-Sender: Bulleid34081@mac.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31417 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 00:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 00:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 00:14:56 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([81.103.218.122]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031120001454.CYEY21828.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@mac.com> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:14:54 +0000 Message-ID: <3FBC076C.90609@mac.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: From: ian bowskill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.164.46 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:14:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digital cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 72 George, Lithium batteries have performed excellently for me in my Pentax 645's. Not only do they cope extremely well with low temperatures, they last for ages too. Oddly they are not mentioned in my digital camera's handbook. They appear neither in the 'batteries to use' column nor the 'batteries to avoid.' Manufactures helpline couldn't give me a definite answer either. Rgds, Ian ghhart2000 wrote: >Hello, > >I bought a pack of Energizer AA non-rechargeable lithium batteries >today. Marked on the pack are the temperatures 40 degrees C and >+60 degrees C. I presume this is the operating temperature range. >This should cover even the extremes of China. > >Regards, > >George Hart > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2108-1069288406-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 01:36:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19839 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:36:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK0XXg27193 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:33:33 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2108-1069288406-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 00:33:27 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10788 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 00:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 00:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 00:33:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 00:33:24 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.104 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:33:22 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 73 Michael Rhodes' November 18 report on the QJ-country website mentions a 60km line with 60-70 wagon coal trains powered by two QJ's that I had not heard about previously. It runs to the east from the Pingdingshan area and is noted as line "D" on his map in the report. Maybe this will be a place deserving of more attention as Zhungeer is electrfied. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2109-1069292202-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 02:41:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21779 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:41:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK1amg29432 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:36:48 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2109-1069292202-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 01:36:42 -0000 X-Sender: johnmday@telus.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23754 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 01:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 01:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 01:36:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 01:36:40 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "John Day" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.99 X-Yahoo-Profile: trolleyjolly MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:36:39 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Digital Cameras/ New File Uploads Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 74 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "M. Ross Valentine" wrote: > The discussion about digital camera perfomance is of interest to me as I plan > to switch 100% to digital for my next trip, so I appreciate the feedback. Although I shot digital to film in the ratio of about 7:1 last time I still like the assurance of having film along, just in case. The dilemma is whether to try to operate two cameras simultaneously, or to just pick one, concentrate on getting the best shot possible with the risk that you later wished you'd used the other camera for a particular shot. I tried to shoot using two cameras, mounting the film camera on a tripod and firing fewer shots with a remote release; with the digital I'd just pop away til the train had passed. Electrons are cheap if your batteries are strong... > Concerning Canon IS lenses, this is disappointing that John had this > experience. Perhaps my IS lens has a defect. Some shots were wonderful, others were not so. > I created a new file called "Valentine China" with some photos from my last > trip there. Many were taken with IS lenses. There are some superb shots here! > -Enjoy > -Ross ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2110-1069318242-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 09:59:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19175 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:59:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK8ong17567 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:50:49 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2110-1069318242-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 08:50:43 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80059 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 08:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 08:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 08:50:40 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.203.89]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031120085040.YNQW10421.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:50:40 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3FBC076C.90609@mac.com> Message-Id: <9D87955A-1B36-11D8-B8DB-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.162.41 X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:50:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digital cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 75 Ian, George, The instruction manual s for both my digital cameras specifically warn against using Lithium batteries, presumably because they operate at a higher voltage than alkaline or NiMH batteries. So it's best to check before you use them. It's likely that at low temperatures the output voltage of the lithiums will drop sufficiently to prevent any damage but you won't know until you try it! Are you feeling lucky? Duncan On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 00:14 Europe/London, ian bowskill wrote: > George, > Lithium batteries have performed excellently for me in my Pentax 645's. > Not only do they cope extremely well > with low temperatures, they last for ages too. Oddly they are not > mentioned in my digital camera's handbook. > They appear neither in the 'batteries to use' column nor the 'batteries > to avoid.' Manufactures helpline couldn't > give me a definite answer either. > > Rgds, > Ian > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2112-1069319124-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 10:08:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20464 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:08:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.85]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK95Xg18937 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:05:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2112-1069319124-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 09:05:26 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32323 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 09:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 09:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 09:05:23 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.203.89]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031120090522.BEMC15835.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:05:22 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.162.47 X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:05:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 76 Louis, This line has been known about for some time. It runs to Yuzhou. The map is slightly distorted in this area. The line from mine 8 heads roughly north to to Yuzhou, not east. The branch to mine13 heads roughly west or north west, around the back of the range of hills north of PDS. The important thing is that trains only run 3 or 4 times a week! Duncan On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 00:33 Europe/London, notenfrog wrote: > Michael Rhodes' November 18 report on the QJ-country website > mentions a 60km line with 60-70 wagon coal trains powered by two > QJ's that I had not heard about previously. It runs to the east > from the Pingdingshan area and is noted as line "D" on his map in > the report. Maybe this will be a place deserving of more attention > as Zhungeer is electrfied. > > Louis Cerny > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2111-1069318996-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 10:08:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20468 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:08:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK93Og18681 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:03:24 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2111-1069318996-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 09:03:18 -0000 X-Sender: Bulleid34081@mac.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38985 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 09:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 09:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta8-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 09:03:14 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([81.103.218.87]) by mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031120090312.FSAY21010.mta8-svc.business.ntl.com@mac.com> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:03:12 +0000 Message-ID: <3FBC833D.4090807@mac.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <9D87955A-1B36-11D8-B8DB-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <9D87955A-1B36-11D8-B8DB-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> From: ian bowskill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.164.48 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:02:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digital cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 77 Thanks Duncan but as the handbook and the tech support are both undecided about lithium, I'll only be using them in the 645. NiCad and maganese are the two they say 'no' to, NiMh and alkaline are the two preferred options. Lithium doesn't get a mention. Rgds Ian Duncan Cotterill wrote: >Ian, George, > >The instruction manual s for both my digital cameras specifically warn >against using Lithium batteries, presumably because they operate at a >higher voltage than alkaline or NiMH batteries. So it's best to check >before you use them. It's likely that at low temperatures the output >voltage of the lithiums will drop sufficiently to prevent any damage >but you won't know until you try it! > >Are you feeling lucky? > >Duncan > >On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 00:14 Europe/London, ian bowskill wrote: > > > >>George, >>Lithium batteries have performed excellently for me in my Pentax 645's. >>Not only do they cope extremely well >>with low temperatures, they last for ages too. Oddly they are not >>mentioned in my digital camera's handbook. >>They appear neither in the 'batteries to use' column nor the 'batteries >>to avoid.' Manufactures helpline couldn't >>give me a definite answer either. >> >>Rgds, >>Ian >> >> >> >> > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2113-1069320354-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 10:27:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23808 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:27:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK9Q0g20961 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:26:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2113-1069320354-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 09:25:54 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86460 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 09:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 09:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 09:25:52 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMl4P-000EsY-0X for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:25:50 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01c3af48$444478b0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "mr" X-Originating-IP: 194.217.242.91 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:25:40 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 78 The problem is that the train only runs 2 or 3 times a week and what we saw of the line (about 10km) is very flat. I have a picture of the train at the coke works in Pingdingshan taken last December but it was so foggy you can hardly see half way down the train. Michael Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: "notenfrog" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > Michael Rhodes' November 18 report on the QJ-country website > mentions a 60km line with 60-70 wagon coal trains powered by two > QJ's that I had not heard about previously. It runs to the east > from the Pingdingshan area and is noted as line "D" on his map in > the report. Maybe this will be a place deserving of more attention > as Zhungeer is electrfied. > > Louis Cerny > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2114-1069320442-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 10:34:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24742 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:34:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK9RSg21121 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:27:28 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2114-1069320442-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 09:27:22 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53757 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 09:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 09:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 09:27:21 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMl5s-000F9f-0X for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:27:20 +0000 Message-ID: <003e01c3af48$7ac4cd90$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "mr" X-Originating-IP: 194.217.242.91 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:27:11 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 79 You're right Duncan Michael Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Cotterill" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > Louis, > > This line has been known about for some time. It runs to Yuzhou. The > map is slightly distorted in this area. The line from mine 8 heads > roughly north to to Yuzhou, not east. The branch to mine13 heads > roughly west or north west, around the back of the range of hills north > of PDS. > > The important thing is that trains only run 3 or 4 times a week! > > Duncan > > On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 00:33 Europe/London, notenfrog wrote: > > > Michael Rhodes' November 18 report on the QJ-country website > > mentions a 60km line with 60-70 wagon coal trains powered by two > > QJ's that I had not heard about previously. It runs to the east > > from the Pingdingshan area and is noted as line "D" on his map in > > the report. Maybe this will be a place deserving of more attention > > as Zhungeer is electrfied. > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > > Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2115-1069320871-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 10:48:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26815 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:48:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAK9Ycg21645 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:34:38 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2115-1069320871-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 09:34:32 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92685 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 09:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 09:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 09:34:29 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.203.89]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031120093427.CDQA25299.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:34:27 +0000 To: Steam_In_China ~ Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.162.43 X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:34:28 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] And another thing ...... Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 80 I've read in several reports and mails to the group about SYs with JS boilers and JFs with JS boilers. I've yet to see any evidence of this. I don't believe that such an engine exists. Does anyone have any photographic proof? Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 81 I have sent a picture to Rob Dickinson to put on his web-page - I can't E-mail it to you as I haven't got broad band and its 32MB. I know - I should master Photoshop and save it as a small JPEG but I haven't got round to that yet - sorry. As long as Rob uses the picture from the CD I sent him then photographic proof should be on my latest report soon Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Cotterill" To: "Steam_In_China ~" Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:34 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] And another thing ...... > I've read in several reports and mails to the group about SYs with JS > boilers and JFs with JS boilers. I've yet to see any evidence of this. > > I don't believe that such an engine exists. Does anyone have any > photographic proof? > > Duncan > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2117-1069347551-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 18:02:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27366 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:02:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAKGxJg02275 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:59:19 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2117-1069347551-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 16:59:13 -0000 X-Sender: toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10041 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 16:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 16:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-05.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 16:59:09 -0000 Received: from webmail06.arcor-online.net (webmail06.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.87]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEAD181981 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:59:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1153266.1069347468119.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail06.arcor-online.net> To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-ngMessageSubType: MessageSubType_MAIL X-WebmailclientIP: : 80.65.64.226 From: toni@germanynet.de X-Originating-IP: 151.189.21.45 X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:57:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: Aw: Re: [Steam_in_China] New China Rail timetable Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id SAA27366 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 82 Dear Dave, I'll send you one of these copies as soon as I'm back from Bosnia/Yugoslavia. Greetings from Zenica (we were the first group of photographers who ever entered the steelworks complex!) Bernd ----- Original Nachricht ---- Von: cdhussey@goconnect.net An: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Datum: 16.11.2003 03:58 Betreff: Re: [Steam_in_China] New China Rail timetable Absender: cdhussey@goconnect.net Empfnger: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [Steam_in_China] New China Rail timetable Datum: 16.11.2003 03:58 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave I just sent 2 copies to Bernd Seiler, so don't know howw long beforrre he gets it. But from my observations on the trains that ii have caught from shanghai -Xuzhou -Xi'an, alssso looking at the stations depaarture boards there are none in these sections, if you have Duncan's it should suffice. Colin Hussey. > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2119-1069368388-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 23:48:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19640 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:48:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAKMkeg27465 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:46:40 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2119-1069368388-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 22:46:33 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66617 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 22:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 22:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 22:46:27 -0000 Received: from 66-44-3-68.s830.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.68] helo=S0028187519) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #3) id 1AMxZC-0007eH-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c3afb8$282a2600$44032c42@S0028187519> To: References: <002b01c3af48$444478b0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Cerny" X-Originating-IP: 207.172.4.60 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:46:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 83 Michael Rhodes Thanks for your reply. I assume then, that this line is the one shown on the Quail Map (page 7) as running from Yuzhou south to Pingdingshan. This map shows many branches west of Yuzhou and one heading northwest to Baisha comes very near the line extending southwest from Xin Mi ( or Mi Xian) reported as using steam by Bernd Seiler about a month ago. Are all these these lines from Yuzhou (other than the one to Pingdingshan) covered by the recent notice from Peter Patt that the Yuzhou coal company is diesel since 2002? Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > The problem is that the train only runs 2 or 3 times a week and what we saw > of the line (about 10km) is very flat. I have a picture of the train at the > coke works in Pingdingshan taken last December but it was so foggy you can > hardly see half way down the train. > > Michael Rhodes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "notenfrog" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:33 AM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > > > > Michael Rhodes' November 18 report on the QJ-country website > > mentions a 60km line with 60-70 wagon coal trains powered by two > > QJ's that I had not heard about previously. It runs to the east > > from the Pingdingshan area and is noted as line "D" on his map in > > the report. Maybe this will be a place deserving of more attention > > as Zhungeer is electrfied. > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2118-1069367853-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 23:52:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19839 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:52:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAKMm0g27580 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:48:00 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2118-1069367853-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 22:38:44 -0000 X-Sender: jimlivesey@btopenworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66547 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 22:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 22:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 22:37:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 22:37:27 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Jim Livesey" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.72 X-Yahoo-Profile: jrl47uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:37:25 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: And another thing Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 84 In March 1988 SY0964 was working at Tangshan colliery. It was very clean - and posessed a false skyline casing and high JS type wind deflectors. Is it still there and in this state? If not has similar equipment been fitted to another loco? Jim L. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2121-1069371348-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 00:37:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21811 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:37:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAKNaDg30423 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:36:14 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2121-1069371348-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2003 23:36:03 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46359 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 23:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2003 23:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 23:35:48 -0000 Received: from 66-44-3-68.s830.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.68] helo=S0028187519) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #3) id 1AMyKw-0003GU-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c3afbf$0d40f100$44032c42@S0028187519> To: References: <002b01c3af48$444478b0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> <5.1.1.5.2.20031121100931.00b32190@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Cerny" X-Originating-IP: 207.172.4.60 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:35:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 85 Thanks for the clarification. This leaves open the possibility that the branches west of Yuzhou (to terminals shown on the Quail map as Lugou, Shenhou, Fengchishan, Shiliao, and Baisha) are steam. If Baisha is actually near the line heading southwest from Xin Mi, this would be quite a large geographic area (over 100km north to south) filled with steam-served coal mines. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Gillard" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > Louis, > You are mixing up places. Peter was talking about the mines > near Yanzhou, which is the junction for the line to Rizhao on the coast > south of Qingdao. > > Cheers, > Roger > > > > > > > At 05:46 PM 20/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Michael Rhodes > > > >Thanks for your reply. I assume then, that this line is the one shown on > >the Quail Map (page 7) as running from Yuzhou south to Pingdingshan. This > >map shows many branches west of Yuzhou and one heading northwest to Baisha > >comes very near the line extending southwest from Xin Mi ( or Mi Xian) > >reported as using steam by Bernd Seiler about a month ago. Are all these > >these lines from Yuzhou (other than the one to Pingdingshan) covered by the > >recent notice from Peter Patt that the Yuzhou coal company is diesel since > >2002? > > > >Louis Cerny > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "mr" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:25 AM > >Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > > > > > > > The problem is that the train only runs 2 or 3 times a week and what we > >saw > > > of the line (about 10km) is very flat. I have a picture of the train at > >the > > > coke works in Pingdingshan taken last December but it was so foggy you can > > > hardly see half way down the train. > > > > > > Michael Rhodes > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "notenfrog" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:33 AM > > > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > > > > > > > > > > Michael Rhodes' November 18 report on the QJ-country website > > > > mentions a 60km line with 60-70 wagon coal trains powered by two > > > > QJ's that I had not heard about previously. It runs to the east > > > > from the Pingdingshan area and is noted as line "D" on his map in > > > > the report. Maybe this will be a place deserving of more attention > > > > as Zhungeer is electrfied. > > > > > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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Processed in 0.028377 secs); 20 Nov 2003 23:12:43 -0000 Received: from sand.pipeline.com.au (203.27.87.13) by wipeout.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 10:12:42 +1100 Received: (qmail 5898 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 10:12:42 +1100 Received: from ip07.pm3-2.gln.pipeline.com.au (HELO roger-gillard.pipeline.com.au) (210.8.31.38) by sand.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 10:12:42 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20031121100931.00b32190@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Sender: rgg@pop3.pipeline.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003301c3afb8$282a2600$44032c42@S0028187519> References: <002b01c3af48$444478b0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> From: Roger Gillard X-Originating-IP: 203.27.87.49 X-Yahoo-Profile: saditobi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:12:37 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 86 Louis, You are mixing up places. Peter was talking about the mines near Yanzhou, which is the junction for the line to Rizhao on the coast south of Qingdao. Cheers, Roger At 05:46 PM 20/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Michael Rhodes > >Thanks for your reply. I assume then, that this line is the one shown on >the Quail Map (page 7) as running from Yuzhou south to Pingdingshan. This >map shows many branches west of Yuzhou and one heading northwest to Baisha >comes very near the line extending southwest from Xin Mi ( or Mi Xian) >reported as using steam by Bernd Seiler about a month ago. Are all these >these lines from Yuzhou (other than the one to Pingdingshan) covered by the >recent notice from Peter Patt that the Yuzhou coal company is diesel since >2002? > >Louis Cerny > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mr" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:25 AM >Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > > > > The problem is that the train only runs 2 or 3 times a week and what we >saw > > of the line (about 10km) is very flat. I have a picture of the train at >the > > coke works in Pingdingshan taken last December but it was so foggy you can > > hardly see half way down the train. > > > > Michael Rhodes > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "notenfrog" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:33 AM > > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > > > > > > > Michael Rhodes' November 18 report on the QJ-country website > > > mentions a 60km line with 60-70 wagon coal trains powered by two > > > QJ's that I had not heard about previously. It runs to the east > > > from the Pingdingshan area and is noted as line "D" on his map in > > > the report. Maybe this will be a place deserving of more attention > > > as Zhungeer is electrfied. > > > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2122-1069420382-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 14:25:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28031 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:24:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hALDD9g20187 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:13:09 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2122-1069420382-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 13:13:03 -0000 X-Sender: bulleid34081@mac.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81048 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 13:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 13:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout.mac.com) (17.250.248.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 13:13:01 -0000 Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id hALDGgMe028521 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com (client-27-p-2-lns.glfd.dial.virgin.net [81.101.64.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 3.0) with ESMTP id hALDCwPd005456 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:13:00 -0800 (PST) To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <603EAD68-1C24-11D8-A188-000A95D80B1E@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: ian bowskill X-Originating-IP: 17.250.248.83 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:12:36 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 87 Just received this from a colleague. Rgds, Ian -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fwd: Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:29:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Trevor Maxted Gents, I'm sure most of you will be aware of the diesels coming for the top section of the Ji-Tong but just in case. Trevor. Subject: Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line From: Zhang Xin Sheng Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:44:52 +0800 To: Trevor Dear Trevor Latest news: 5 Diesels rented from Tongliao RL Bureau will be used on Chabuga/Zhelimu section(188K) of Jitong Line on Dec 01, 2003! On this section, steams will be used also as Mixture! Best RGDS Zhang ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2123-1069421488-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 14:45:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00922 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:45:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hALDVYg21917 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:31:35 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2123-1069421488-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 13:31:28 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92130 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 13:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 13:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 13:31:12 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.203.89]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031121133101.BNAU10421.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:31:01 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003301c3afb8$282a2600$44032c42@S0028187519> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.162.41 X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:30:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 88 Louis, The branches shown on Quail west of Yuzhou are part of the Xuchang NG system which used to serve a number of mines in this area. In 1997, when Ted Talbot visited the railway, the western section was busy with C4 hauled coal trains but a year later steam had finished and coal traffic was sparse. The reason was the opening of the line from Pingdingshan to Yuzhou. Instead of sending the coal out on the narrow gauge, it is trucked to Yuzhou and loaded into standard gauge wagons there. As far as I can tell, none of the branches have been regauged and the standard gauge doesn't appear to go anywhere except Yuzhou itself. The area does have a lot of coal mines and there may well be a few that haven't been discovered yet. Hope this helps, Duncan On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 22:46 Europe/London, Cerny wrote: > Michael Rhodes > > Thanks for your reply. I assume then, that this line is the one shown > on > the Quail Map (page 7) as running from Yuzhou south to Pingdingshan. > This > map shows many branches west of Yuzhou and one heading northwest to > Baisha > comes very near the line extending southwest from Xin Mi ( or Mi Xian) > reported as using steam by Bernd Seiler about a month ago. Are all > these > these lines from Yuzhou (other than the one to Pingdingshan) covered > by the > recent notice from Peter Patt that the Yuzhou coal company is diesel > since > 2002? > > Louis Cerny > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2124-1069446056-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 21:22:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02215 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:22:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hALKL4g19715 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:21:05 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2124-1069446056-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 20:20:56 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49457 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 20:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 20:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 20:20:43 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANHlh-0001Ii-0X for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:20:42 +0000 Message-ID: <004101c3b06c$eae1f7e0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "mr" X-Originating-IP: 194.217.242.91 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:20:32 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 89 I can add to this in that we visited the shed in Xuchang and the narrow gauge has 20 diesels, busy on coal except for 1 passenger per day to Dacheng. There are 2 steam locos in the depot at Xuchang, one covered in creepers and the other "potemtially" steamable (again pics of this with Rob Dickinson). The problem is that we were told that the entire Xuchang-Dacheng system may well close next year due to road improvements. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Cotterill" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > Louis, > > The branches shown on Quail west of Yuzhou are part of the Xuchang NG > system which used to serve a number of mines in this area. In 1997, > when Ted Talbot visited the railway, the western section was busy with > C4 hauled coal trains but a year later steam had finished and coal > traffic was sparse. > > The reason was the opening of the line from Pingdingshan to Yuzhou. > Instead of sending the coal out on the narrow gauge, it is trucked to > Yuzhou and loaded into standard gauge wagons there. As far as I can > tell, none of the branches have been regauged and the standard gauge > doesn't appear to go anywhere except Yuzhou itself. > > The area does have a lot of coal mines and there may well be a few that > haven't been discovered yet. > > Hope this helps, > > Duncan > > On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 22:46 Europe/London, Cerny wrote: > > > Michael Rhodes > > > > Thanks for your reply. I assume then, that this line is the one shown > > on > > the Quail Map (page 7) as running from Yuzhou south to Pingdingshan. > > This > > map shows many branches west of Yuzhou and one heading northwest to > > Baisha > > comes very near the line extending southwest from Xin Mi ( or Mi Xian) > > reported as using steam by Bernd Seiler about a month ago. Are all > > these > > these lines from Yuzhou (other than the one to Pingdingshan) covered > > by the > > recent notice from Peter Patt that the Yuzhou coal company is diesel > > since > > 2002? > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2125-1069504600-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 13:37:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13041 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:37:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAMCang31525 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:36:49 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2125-1069504600-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 12:36:42 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40565 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 12:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 12:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 12:36:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 12:36:39 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.105 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:36:38 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] QJ drawing Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 90 Just joined the group. I noticed someone was asking for a QJ drawing a little while ago. I have posted a scan of the GA in the "QJ owner's manual" on my site temporarily. See http://www.railwaysofchina.com/images/qj_ga.jpg ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2127-1069518651-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 17:32:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24229 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:32:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAMGV3g09520 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:31:03 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2127-1069518651-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 16:30:56 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78546 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 16:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 16:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep04-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.132) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 16:30:51 -0000 Received: from fep04-svc.swip.net ([192.168.145.12]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20031122163050.KQXO1249.fep04-svc.swip.net@fep04-svc.swip.net> for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:30:50 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20031122163050.KQXO1249.fep04-svc.swip.net@fep04-svc.swip.net> From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: 130.244.199.132 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:30:50 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Schedule Beijing - Chifeng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 91 The following train times are valid for Beijing nan to Chifeng: BJN --- CHF 19.19 - 4.26 16.32 - 3.07 8.34 - 17.35 21.33 - 7.15 Hans Schaefer ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2126-1069518541-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 17:32:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24232 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:32:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAMGTAg09408 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:29:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2126-1069518541-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 16:29:03 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98669 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 16:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 16:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep04-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.132) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 16:28:58 -0000 Received: from fep04-svc.swip.net ([192.168.145.12]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20031122162857.KQRL1249.fep04-svc.swip.net@fep04-svc.swip.net> for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:28:57 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20031122162857.KQRL1249.fep04-svc.swip.net@fep04-svc.swip.net> From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: 130.244.199.132 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:28:57 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Dahuichang railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 92 Hi, does anybody know how they work at Dahuichang just now. Morning or afternoon? One more thing: Does anybody know when there are flights between Beijing and Chifeng as well as Xilinhaote? Hans Schaefer ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2128-1069524980-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 19:17:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29668 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:17:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAMIGVg14599 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:16:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2128-1069524980-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 18:16:23 -0000 X-Sender: Alco-Pa@stratos.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35464 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 18:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 18:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net) (169.207.3.125) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 18:16:19 -0000 Received: from mail3.mx.voyager.net (mail3.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.202]) by out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB549330B for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:16:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from o6f5v9 (d142.as4.clev.oh.voyager.net [209.81.205.143]) by mail3.mx.voyager.net (8.12.9/8.10.2) with SMTP id hAMIGE5B020600 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:16:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c3b124$e5be5160$8fcd51d1@o6f5v9> To: References: <20031122162857.KQRL1249.fep04-svc.swip.net@fep04-svc.swip.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Bob and Dannie" X-Originating-IP: 169.207.3.125 X-Yahoo-Profile: rtodten MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:17:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Dahuichang railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 93 Hans, I was there three weeks ago and they were running in the afternoon. They were running the #2, and I think #3, good luck. Bob Todten. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Schaefer" To: Sent: Saturday, Nvember 22, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Dahuichang railway > Hi, does anybody know how they work at Dahuichang just > now. Morning or afternoon? > > One more thing: Does anybody know when there are flights > between Beijing and Chifeng as well as Xilinhaote? > > Hans Schaefer > > ------------------------------------------------- > WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2129-1069527465-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 20:02:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01483 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:02:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAMIvqg16275 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:57:52 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2129-1069527465-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 18:57:46 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89170 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 18:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 18:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 18:57:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 18:57:44 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <603EAD68-1C24-11D8-A188-000A95D80B1E@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.103 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:57:41 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 94 Hi Ian and everyone, I'm not sure if it's good news or bad news that these diesels seem to be leased from CNR (Tongliao) rather than bought. I wonder if routine maintenance, maybe even re-fuelling will be undertaken at Tongliao CNR depot, thus allowing dieselisation of the eastern end of the line with minimal or no investment in the infrastructure. Thank goodness that Daban is so remote from the CNR network! Best wishes, Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, ian bowskill wrote: > Just received this from a colleague. > > Rgds, > Ian > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Fwd: Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:29:59 +0000 (GMT) > From: Trevor Maxted > > > > Gents, > > I'm sure most of you will be aware of the diesels > coming for the top section of the Ji-Tong but just in > case. Trevor. > > > Subject: > Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line > From: > Zhang Xin Sheng > Date: > Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:44:52 +0800 > To: > Trevor > > Dear Trevor > Latest news: > 5 Diesels rented from Tongliao RL Bureau will be used on > Chabuga/Zhelimu section(188K) of Jitong Line > on Dec 01, 2003! On this section, steams will be used also as Mixture! > Best RGDS > Zhang ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2130-1069529837-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 20:42:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03295 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:42:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAMJbPg18068 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:37:25 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2130-1069529837-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 19:37:19 -0000 X-Sender: bulleid34081@mac.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10497 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 19:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 19:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout.mac.com) (17.250.248.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 19:37:16 -0000 Received: from webmail09.mac.com (webmail09-en1 [10.13.10.98]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id hAMJbGZB002620 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail09 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail09.mac.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id hAMJbGoA027104 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:37:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <829974.1069529835961.JavaMail.bulleid34081@mac.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com From: Ian Bowskill X-Originating-IP: 17.250.248.46 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:37:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 95 Roy, It will be interesting to see what sort of work they get given and if they venture west of Chabuga. Hopefully those there in early December will be able to send reports as to the diesel activity. Rgds Ian On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 06:57PM, Roy Bowden wrote: >Hi Ian and everyone, > >I'm not sure if it's good news or bad news that these diesels seem to >be leased from CNR (Tongliao) rather than bought. > >I wonder if routine maintenance, maybe even re-fuelling will be >undertaken at Tongliao CNR depot, thus allowing dieselisation of the >eastern end of the line with minimal or no investment in the >infrastructure. > >Thank goodness that Daban is so remote from the CNR network! > >Best wishes, > >Roy. > --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, ian bowskill > wrote: >> Just received this from a colleague. >> >> Rgds, >> Ian >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Fwd: Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line >> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:29:59 +0000 (GMT) >> From: Trevor Maxted >> >> >> >> Gents, >> >> I'm sure most of you will be aware of the diesels >> coming for the top section of the Ji-Tong but just in >> case. Trevor. >> >> >> Subject: >> Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line >> From: >> Zhang Xin Sheng >> Date: >> Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:44:52 +0800 >> To: >> Trevor >> >> Dear Trevor >> Latest news: >> 5 Diesels rented from Tongliao RL Bureau will be used on >> Chabuga/Zhelimu section(188K) of Jitong Line >> on Dec 01, 2003! On this section, steams will be used also as >Mixture! >> Best RGDS >> Zhang > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > http://34081.fotopic.net http://www.92squadron.co.uk ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2131-1069643562-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 04:17:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA12145 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:17:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAO3Cpg04780 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:12:52 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2131-1069643562-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 03:12:45 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12942 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 03:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 03:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 03:12:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 03:12:40 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <829974.1069529835961.JavaMail.bulleid34081@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Peter Patt" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.72 X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:12:39 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Fw: Chabuga/Zhelimu Section of Jitong Line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 96 Ian Bowskill wrote: > Roy, > It will be interesting to see what sort of work they get given and if they venture west of Chabuga. According to Mr. He from JiTong Daban no decision had been made by 22.11. (when I talked to him). Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2132-1069660698-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 09:03:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26334 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:03:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAO7wRg15983 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:58:27 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2132-1069660698-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 07:58:20 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48495 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 07:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 07:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 07:58:15 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HOUJH100.39J for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:58:13 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2119f32161ca.2161ca2119f3@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en From: X-Originating-IP: 210.50.199.20 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:58:13 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: update Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 97 I hope I can answer a couple of questions in this short update. Arrived PDS on 18/11. Wet & mucky, all PDS Qj's now dekectorless, 2024, with 8 wheel tender in steam & on standby only, 1 other JS the same, & 1 set aside at side of shed. 2 deflectored QJ's being servced from another mine. Thursday 19/11 fine & sunny perfect day except for wind, Ddouble JS on oil train to Baofeng amongst the early procession. Friday perfect day steam everywhere,watching the QJ's pill out with with 65 wagons is a sight. To get to BJ by train is a hazzle,buses run a regular service to Zhengzhou & cos only 33y, it gives a better option to catch a wider range of trains. I linked up with Ron Olsen & Mike Le Platte for Tongchuan & PDS. Atayed at the new PDS Binguan for 260y triple room & a bath house which is another story (like the Tonchuan hotel just past the Red Rose, & THAT was another story). Management at PDS say that steam is to finish BY 2005. 2 diesels not seen FOR HANS Arrived at Duha? narrow gauge railway at 1100 on the 22nd, on this day the operatioons were from 0900-1700, (next day to start at 1400) in the short period we were there, there was 8 uphill trains and 8 downhill, plus the final light engine at 1545. Arrive Reshui 23 report that the finish of steam will take place on 1st December. Excellent light with snow dusting, but the Reshui wind Today Monday 7 W/B & 5 E/B schedulled but erratic running killed off 2, whether cancelled owing to lack of engines is unknown. EG 6905 wast the 2nd engine on a W/B early pm 23, & sighted E/B 24, I doubt if it stayed that long at Hauluoku. Weather great, little wind, & very pleseny day Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2133-1069662021-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 09:23:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28623 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:23:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAO8KUg17868 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:20:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2133-1069662021-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 08:20:24 -0000 X-Sender: Bulleid34081@mac.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21208 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 08:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 08:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 08:20:20 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([81.103.146.76]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031124082019.EHWU399.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@mac.com> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:20:19 +0000 Message-ID: <3FC1BF30.9060302@mac.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <2119f32161ca.2161ca2119f3@goconnect.net> In-Reply-To: <2119f32161ca.2161ca2119f3@goconnect.net> From: ian bowskill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.164.41 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:20:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: update Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 98 Colin, 1st December - the finish of steam where? Rgds Ian cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: >I hope I can answer a couple of questions in this short update. > > >Arrive Reshui 23 report that the finish of steam will take place on 1st >December. Excellent light with snow dusting, but the Reshui wind > > > >Colin Hussey > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Sorry Ian & all we have been informed that East of Chabugga will be fully dieseled on the One December. Pleas find me a keyboard in China that works propeerly (my typing is bad at the best of times but these tacky orn K/Boards are terrible, even this one in Reshui is not good, but its the best so far.) Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: ian bowskill Date: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: update > > > > > Colin, > > 1st December - the finish of steam where? > > > > Rgds > > Ian > > > > > > cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: > > > > >I hope I can answer a couple of questions in this short update. > > > > > > > > >Arrive Reshui 23 report that the finish of steam will take > place on 1st > > >December. Excellent light with snow dusting, but the Reshui wind > > > > > > > > > > > >Colin Hussey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2136-1069664787-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 10:09:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05243 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:09:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAO96Zg22232 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:06:35 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2136-1069664787-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 09:06:29 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89081 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 09:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 09:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 09:06:25 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HOUMMO00.4BO for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:06:24 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <216d53215d5b.215d5b216d53@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en From: X-Originating-IP: 210.50.199.20 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:06:24 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Chabugga Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 100 I have just been told by our senior guide that now, there is to be 5 diesels going into Chabugga, to be used from 1 December. Previously no numbers were mentioned, just that the section was to be dieselised with the possible exception of the passenger. It seems confusion reigns, & only an inspection on the 1st will set the story straight, or will it? Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2135-1069664720-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 10:09:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05247 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:09:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAO95Sg22114 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:05:29 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2135-1069664720-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 09:05:22 -0000 X-Sender: Bulleid34081@mac.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87809 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 09:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 09:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 09:05:18 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([81.103.146.76]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031124090515.BIKA21751.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@mac.com>; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:05:15 +0000 Message-ID: <3FC1C9B7.3020900@mac.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Cc: HURST , WILKINS <34081@clara.co.uk>, RICHARDSON , WALTON , HART References: <214e8b2129f3.2129f3214e8b@goconnect.net> In-Reply-To: <214e8b2129f3.2129f3214e8b@goconnect.net> From: ian bowskill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.164.44 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:04:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: update Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 101 Colin, Thanks. I kind of guessed that you were refering to Zhelimu - Chabuga. If it does go 100% diesel, I'll change my travel plans for January. Rgds Ian cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: >OOPS!! > >Sorry Ian & all we have been informed that East of Chabugga will be >fully dieseled on the One December. > >Pleas find me a keyboard in China that works propeerly (my typing is >bad at the best of times but these tacky orn K/Boards are terrible, >even this one in Reshui is not good, but its the best so far.) > >Colin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ian bowskill >Date: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:20 pm >Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: update > > > >> >> >> >> >>Colin, >> >>1st December - the finish of steam where? >> >> >> >>Rgds >> >>Ian >> >> >> >> >> >>cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>I hope I can answer a couple of questions in this short update. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Arrive Reshui 23 report that the finish of steam will take >>place on 1st >> >>>December. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2137-1069665109-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 10:16:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06159 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:16:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAO9Btg22830 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:11:55 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2137-1069665109-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2003 09:11:49 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14479 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2003 09:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2003 09:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2003 09:11:46 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HOUMVL00.4BQ for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:11:45 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2190172133c3.2133c3219017@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en From: X-Originating-IP: 210.50.199.20 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:11:45 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: update Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 102 Ian I had plans to be at Chabugga on the 1st, but its now in flux, until something really concrete comes out, we may yet go a day early on the 30th. I am surprised at the amount of people here in Reshui at the moment. its nearly a traffic jamb Colin ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2138-1069755027-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 11:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17145 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:17:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAPAArg20046 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:10:53 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2138-1069755027-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 10:10:46 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62672 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 10:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 10:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 10:10:24 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.203.89]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031125101021.QJIV10421.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:10:21 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005b01c3af87$37b23ee0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> Message-Id: <8D8AD442-1F2F-11D8-8E65-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Originating-IP: 62.253.162.41 X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:10:10 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] And another thing ...... Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 103 Sorry to disappoint you Michael, your SY with a JS boiler is in fact an SY with an SY boiler and a home made skyline casing. There are a few of these around, e.g. SY1084 at Pingzhuang. Duncan On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 16:56 Europe/London, mr wrote: > I have sent a picture to Rob Dickinson to put on his web-page - I can't > E-mail it to you as I haven't got broad band and its 32MB. I know - I > should > master Photoshop and save it as a small JPEG but I haven't got round > to that > yet - sorry. > > As long as Rob uses the picture from the CD I sent him then > photographic > proof should be on my latest report soon > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan Cotterill" > To: "Steam_In_China ~" > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:34 AM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] And another thing ...... > > >> I've read in several reports and mails to the group about SYs with JS >> boilers and JFs with JS boilers. I've yet to see any evidence of this. >> >> I don't believe that such an engine exists. Does anyone have any >> photographic proof? >> >> Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2139-1069757075-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 11:58:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24131 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:58:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAPAiig24159 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:44:44 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2139-1069757075-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 10:44:37 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7888 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 10:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 10:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 10:44:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:44:32 -0800 Received: from 218.28.8.138 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:44:32 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2003 10:44:32.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C810710:01C3B341] From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: 207.68.165.63 X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:44:32 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Pei-Tun Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 104 We had a look at this line for one day and enjoyed it very much. Some observations; We were at first refused access to the jiwuduan. Our taxi driver pleaded to one of the leaders and we were finally allowed in, but were not allowed to photograph nor allowed up on the servicing platform to have a closer look. There are no fueling facilities for the DF's, a tanker truck performs this duty. There is a good photo spot past the jiwuduan with a brickworks besides the track. Go past the jiwuduan entrance and make a left turn at the first irrigation ditch. It's about a kilometer all told. The mine tracks run in many directions and a better map would be useful. We had limited access to the headquarters or would've tried to copy off the wall map there. The taxi driver said that the local map we could buy would not be of any use to us. The passenger trains return to Xuzhou at 7.28 and 2.08 . The last bus leaves at 18.40. The crews are very friendly and Mike LaPlante had a ride up one of the branches in the recently-overhauled SY. All the locos that we saw had a crisp exhaust, barking sharply when accelerating. Locos in PDS gave out a softer exhaust sound. This for those of you doing sound recordings. _________________________________________________________________ Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2140-1069785131-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 19:39:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24031 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:39:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAPIWKg05243 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:32:21 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2140-1069785131-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 18:32:12 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14754 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 18:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 18:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 18:32:07 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOhyn-000Iua-0U for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:32:06 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c3b382$6b97d9a0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: <8D8AD442-1F2F-11D8-8E65-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "mr" X-Originating-IP: 194.217.242.88 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:32:01 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] And another thing ...... Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 105 Oh well , thanks for that Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Cotterill To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] And another thing ...... Sorry to disappoint you Michael, your SY with a JS boiler is in fact an SY with an SY boiler and a home made skyline casing. There are a few of these around, e.g. SY1084 at Pingzhuang. Duncan On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 16:56 Europe/London, mr wrote: > I have sent a picture to Rob Dickinson to put on his web-page - I can't > E-mail it to you as I haven't got broad band and its 32MB. I know - I > should > master Photoshop and save it as a small JPEG but I haven't got round > to that > yet - sorry. > > As long as Rob uses the picture from the CD I sent him then > photographic > proof should be on my latest report soon > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan Cotterill" > To: "Steam_In_China ~" > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:34 AM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] And another thing ...... > > >> I've read in several reports and mails to the group about SYs with JS >> boilers and JFs with JS boilers. I've yet to see any evidence of this. >> >> I don't believe that such an engine exists. Does anyone have any >> photographic proof? >> >> Duncan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2141-1069800709-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 23:58:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12554 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:58:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAPMsvg25201 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:54:58 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2141-1069800709-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 22:51:50 -0000 X-Sender: cds@gis.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69002 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 22:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 22:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 22:51:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 22:51:41 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Alan Carroll" X-Originating-IP: 24.147.30.248 X-Yahoo-Profile: colonialdrafting MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:51:41 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] 2 foot gauge 0-8-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 106 Hello, My name is Alan Carroll and I just joined this group. I am looking for some information, drawings and/or photos of the two- foot gauge 0-8-0's with particular interest in tender shots. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2142-1069861963-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 16:57:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23594 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:56:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAQFqog04546 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:52:50 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2142-1069861963-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 15:52:43 -0000 X-Sender: psa188@juno.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9534 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 15:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 15:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 15:52:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 15:52:02 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Bill Hough" X-Originating-IP: 161.185.150.165 X-Yahoo-Profile: psa188 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:52:02 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: 2 foot gauge 0-8-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 107 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Carroll" wrote: > Hello, > My name is Alan Carroll and I just joined this group. > I am looking for some information, drawings and/or photos of the two- > foot gauge 0-8-0's with particular interest in tender shots. Any help > would be appreciated. Thank you. There were some for sale at http://www.auctiontransportation.com but most of those auctions have closed. More photos of these locomotives will be put up soon, however the owner of the slides is having computer problems. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2143-1069924318-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 10:17:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04099 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:17:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAR9C6g04502 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:12:06 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2143-1069924318-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2003 09:12:00 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89323 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 09:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 09:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 09:11:54 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HP06VS00.088 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:11:52 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <237a29232eca.232eca237a29@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:11:52 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Pei-Tun Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 108 Ron At least one of my suggestions was ok, any more bathhouses? I think I could do with now. Will be in Daban - Chabugga area untill 4Dec & then at Reshui untill 11 Dec Col ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Olsen" Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:44 pm Subject: [Steam_in_China] Pei-Tun > > > > > We had a look at this line for one day and enjoyed it very much. > Some > > observations; > > > > We were at first refused access to the jiwuduan. Our taxi driver > pleaded to > > one of the leaders and we were finally allowed in, but were not > allowed to > > photograph nor allowed up on the servicing platform to have a > closer look. > > There are no fueling facilities for the DF's, a tanker truck > performs this > > duty. > > > > There is a good photo spot past the jiwuduan with a brickworks > besides the > > track. Go past the jiwuduan entrance and make a left turn at the > first > > irrigation ditch. It's about a kilometer all told. > > > > The mine tracks run in many directions and a better map would be > useful. We > > had limited access to the headquarters or would've tried to copy > off the > > wall map there. The taxi driver said that the local map we could > buy would > > not be of any use to us. > > > > The passenger trains return to Xuzhou at 7.28 and 2.08 . The last > bus > > leaves at 18.40. > > > > The crews are very friendly and Mike LaPlante had a ride up one of > the > > branches in the recently-overhauled SY. > > > > All the locos that we saw had a crisp exhaust, barking sharply > when > > accelerating. Locos in PDS gave out a softer exhaust sound. This > for those > > of you doing sound recordings. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, > videos, > > and more here. > http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2144-1069927409-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 11:36:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16069 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:36:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hARA3cg10193 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:03:38 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2144-1069927409-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2003 10:03:29 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6424 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 10:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 10:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 10:03:26 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HP099P00.0A6 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:03:25 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2334ed233424.2334242334ed@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:03:25 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Colin Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 109 HI Darling Sorry everything has worked out in the way it has, re money etc, when I left. Having only to have the 1st fortnight tight. I'm sorry it's worked out this way, it cerainly was not my intention. Re Layby there will be a notice to finalise on one only, & that is the BBQ, about a week before I get back, but do not worry as the house at Gosford will settle in time. The other one is a Christmas layby & I will organise that for the week after gettng back. Re the door maybe Peter could help, as it is either just an adjustment on the door latch. There is a set of screw drivers in the wadrobe in the study, one side next to the door, I think they are on a shelf in a long black flat plastic container I do think it may be time that Jenny & Geordie are told that we can only help up to a certain point, & that point has been reached, also that if he's annoying at Peters place then they need to say something. I guess this what happens when an attempt is made to befriend people. Under no circumstance let Geordie or anyone have the DVD player, as I don't want it out of sight. Its remarkable that we have trouble with them, when I'm not experiencing the same thing here with most guide, as its only a matter of speaking slower. If Daniele & Susan's family are taking things out on you, then all that is needed to say is "thank you for your kindness of be-friending you all" I think that it is the end of any more of these groups at home. I hope that the ISCF Goes well but I also think that you need to measure things there as well. Have a look at the email from Rob Lamont, there is an iteresting positions vacant offer there. I hope that ADrian is doing the right thing, what was reggered to for Christmas? Has he set any form of tolerance level or what, I sort of feel that there will be some peace dor a while, & then back to normal. I can't get it out of my head that Fiona had set conditions that she wanted to married by the middle of next year, & to have another child. I will have difficulty if either or both a re in the Catholic Church. I stll think that the tongues issue will raise its head again, as tonges is a doctrinal issue, & not in a seperate category lime the minor issues with the WMC Cold weather here, roads dangerous with the snow & more predicted next week on at least 3 days , nearly every day is well under 0 & does not climb above it, on 6/12 its predicted to snow with temps @ -9/-21. Copping OK, very beuatifull & big change from last time. @ weeks ago I had a fall on a station step,, a tile was missing, & I badly sprained my anckle, has bee sore & painfull ever since, just getting better & slipped on icy snow today, & aggravated it. While I'm getting plenty of video of trains I'm mixxing up the photo's with a lot of other things as well. Those little tins of cream ar no longer available as they were old traditional Chinese creams and the tins are part of their tradition as well. Found some in one location today & bought all they had as they can't get anymore. Have been praying for everything that's be happening, ad for Damian with his exam. Hope the trip to Carol & Ed's works out well, please use it to relax & forget about Shalvey. I'm really wondering whether or not we should think about moving up Maitland way, although I Know it will be harder with being away from your mum. When George comes ask him to bank the cheque after or on the following Friday. I will be glad to be home, although I'm still enjoying it here. Times running down quick. Looking forward to be together again love yooou very much Colinxxxxxxxx000000 ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2145-1069927800-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 11:49:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18236 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:49:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hARAA7g10992 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:10:07 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2145-1069927800-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2003 10:10:00 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1001 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2003 10:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2003 10:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2003 10:09:57 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HP09KK00.5BD for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:09:56 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2361e6233bc6.233bc62361e6@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:09:56 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Personal email Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 110 for some reason a personal email to my wife from Cina has also turned up on the newsgroup, I would appreciate it if everyone could not open it & just delete it please. I don't know how its happened. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2146-1069994232-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 05:38:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10072 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:38:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAS4bJg22323 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:37:19 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2146-1069994232-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2003 04:37:12 -0000 X-Sender: iejiej@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96530 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 04:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 04:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.232.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 04:37:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20031128043711.40248.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.24.206.252] by web21402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:37:11 PST To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.232.72 From: ian juden X-Yahoo-Profile: iejiej MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:37:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Nanpiao Coal Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 111 Nanpiao has reverted to 100% steam. The BJ class diesel is under heavy repair, and there is possibly one other diesel here totally dismantled. I visited the shed at dusk and could not see clearly. Details as previously reported. Here between 11/24 and 11/28. The Sanjiaxi branch is much more rural than Banjita, with scenery similar to Jing Peng, but only 2 pass and 1 frt in daylight. Banjita line busier - 2 pass and up to 3 frt. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2147-1070010805-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 10:27:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03476 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:27:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAS9DXg04701 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:13:33 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2147-1070010805-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2003 09:13:26 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4026 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 09:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2003 09:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep01-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.129) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 09:13:22 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.16]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20031128091321.FGWP12258.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:13:21 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20031128091321.FGWP12258.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 130.244.199.129 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [193.217.36.214] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:13:21 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng pass weather report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 112 The link: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForec ast?query=Linxi I will be at the pass from Dec 6 to 8, probably staying at the railway hotel. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2148-1070095935-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 09:56:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11980 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:55:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAT8qMg14086 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:52:27 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2148-1070095935-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 08:52:15 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33565 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 08:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 08:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 08:52:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 08:52:13 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 203.218.92.157 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:52:11 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: 2 foot gauge 0-8-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 113 There is a simple side elevation of a C2 and six wheel tender in "East European Narrow Gauge". --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Carroll" wrote: > Hello, > My name is Alan Carroll and I just joined this group. > I am looking for some information, drawings and/or photos of the two- > foot gauge 0-8-0's with particular interest in tender shots. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2149-1070145426-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 23:42:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13083 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:41:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hATMbFg20429 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:37:20 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2149-1070145426-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 22:37:06 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46002 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 22:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 22:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 22:37:04 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-070-002.arcor-ip.net [145.254.70.2]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 316D9309584 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:37:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <01be01c3b6c9$524919b0$b643fe91@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.42 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:29:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New China Rail timetable Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 114 Dave, I need your snail mail address to send a copy to you. Thanks to Colin I have two copies now. Best, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:47 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] New China Rail timetable Is anyone from the UK visiting China between now and mid-December who could bring me back a current timetable - alternatively is there anyone who has recently returned who could loan me a copy? I have an October 2002 edition - are there many changes? David Longman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2150-1070145442-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 23:42:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13085 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:41:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hATMbUg20448 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:37:31 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2150-1070145442-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 22:37:23 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48693 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 22:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 22:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 22:37:21 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-070-002.arcor-ip.net [145.254.70.2]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 251B73095B0 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:37:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <01d101c3b6c9$5baecd10$b643fe91@farrail> To: References: <002b01c3af48$444478b0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> <003301c3afb8$282a2600$44032c42@S0028187519> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.42 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:34:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 115 Louis, the full report of the first part of my recent China trip is available on my web site now. It includes all maps (and some pictures) I have from the Xin Mi QJ powered line. I hope these maps can clear up the layout of the railway. However, it is still not surely known whether the QJ line follows the narrow gauge line on the northern or the southern side. Any further information would be much appreciated. The report of my recent trip to Bosnia and Yugoslavia will appear on my web site tomorrow evening. Have a nice Sunday, Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: Cerny To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Michael Rhodes Thanks for your reply. I assume then, that this line is the one shown on the Quail Map (page 7) as running from Yuzhou south to Pingdingshan. This map shows many branches west of Yuzhou and one heading northwest to Baisha comes very near the line extending southwest from Xin Mi ( or Mi Xian) reported as using steam by Bernd Seiler about a month ago. Are all these these lines from Yuzhou (other than the one to Pingdingshan) covered by the recent notice from Peter Patt that the Yuzhou coal company is diesel since 2002? Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > The problem is that the train only runs 2 or 3 times a week and what we saw > of the line (about 10km) is very flat. I have a picture of the train at the > coke works in Pingdingshan taken last December but it was so foggy you can > hardly see half way down the train. > > Michael Rhodes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "notenfrog" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:33 AM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > > > > Michael Rhodes' November 18 report on the QJ-country website > > mentions a 60km line with 60-70 wagon coal trains powered by two > > QJ's that I had not heard about previously. It runs to the east > > from the Pingdingshan area and is noted as line "D" on his map in > > the report. Maybe this will be a place deserving of more attention > > as Zhungeer is electrfied. > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2151-1070146989-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 00:07:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14025 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:06:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hATN3Hg21373 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:03:19 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2151-1070146989-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2003 23:03:09 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 118 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2003 23:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2003 23:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-03.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2003 23:03:07 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-006-208.arcor-ip.net [212.144.6.208]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C3262D8EB8 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:03:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <026701c3b6cc$f4a89b60$b643fe91@farrail> To: References: <004101c3b06c$eae1f7e0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.43 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:57:25 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Xuchang ng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 116 My report contains the passenger timetable of this still very network. Check it out before you go there. It seems that China will not only get rid of their steam locos, the narrow gauge lines also disappearing at an alarming rate. Best, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: mr To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains I can add to this in that we visited the shed in Xuchang and the narrow gauge has 20 diesels, busy on coal except for 1 passenger per day to Dacheng. There are 2 steam locos in the depot at Xuchang, one covered in creepers and the other "potemtially" steamable (again pics of this with Rob Dickinson). The problem is that we were told that the entire Xuchang-Dacheng system may well close next year due to road improvements. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Cotterill" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains > Louis, > > The branches shown on Quail west of Yuzhou are part of the Xuchang NG > system which used to serve a number of mines in this area. In 1997, > when Ted Talbot visited the railway, the western section was busy with > C4 hauled coal trains but a year later steam had finished and coal > traffic was sparse. > > The reason was the opening of the line from Pingdingshan to Yuzhou. > Instead of sending the coal out on the narrow gauge, it is trucked to > Yuzhou and loaded into standard gauge wagons there. As far as I can > tell, none of the branches have been regauged and the standard gauge > doesn't appear to go anywhere except Yuzhou itself. > > The area does have a lot of coal mines and there may well be a few that > haven't been discovered yet. > > Hope this helps, > > Duncan > > On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 22:46 Europe/London, Cerny wrote: > > > Michael Rhodes > > > > Thanks for your reply. I assume then, that this line is the one shown > > on > > the Quail Map (page 7) as running from Yuzhou south to Pingdingshan. > > This > > map shows many branches west of Yuzhou and one heading northwest to > > Baisha > > comes very near the line extending southwest from Xin Mi ( or Mi Xian) > > reported as using steam by Bernd Seiler about a month ago. Are all > > these > > these lines from Yuzhou (other than the one to Pingdingshan) covered > > by the > > recent notice from Peter Patt that the Yuzhou coal company is diesel > > since > > 2002? > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2155-1070295167-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 17:22:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20362 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:21:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB1GCtg26327 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:12:56 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2155-1070295167-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 16:12:49 -0000 X-Sender: chris5201@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54594 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 16:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 16:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 16:12:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 16:12:39 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "chris5201" X-Originating-IP: 208.224.223.210 X-Yahoo-Profile: chris5201 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:12:39 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Skip or include Heshan--Laibin? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 120 I have about 5 days to spend around Liuzhou-Hechi next month. Is Heshan--Laibin worth including or would the day be better spent in Liuzhou or Hechi? The reports I've read on the line indicate mixed success in finding running steam. Thanks in advance. Chris ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2156-1070321766-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 00:36:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22218 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:36:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB1NaDg04616 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:36:14 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2156-1070321766-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 23:36:07 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48717 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 23:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 23:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-05.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 23:36:01 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-010-135.arcor-ip.net [212.144.10.135]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E9BD421A488 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:35:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009701c3b863$e56c77f0$fc0eb8d9@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.45 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:52:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Skip or include Heshan--Laibin? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 121 Hello Chris, on my site you'll find the timetable for freight trains for Laibin - Heshan. You can be sure that there will be at least one train with steam during daylight hours. If you're lucky, you'll find four trains during the day. But even with a single train on the man line it is worth a visit. There are normally one train in the morning (about 8.00 am) to the northern mine and another some one to two hours later to the power plant in Heshan. On the line to the power plant you have a very nice view on the river Hongshuihe (Redwater River). Another exciting view on this river with the railway in the foreground you'll find in Baiheai. On the main line it's possible to chase trains by taxi. Trains are very slow and the section close to Heshan offers quite a lot of good possibilities. If you click on the same Guangxi Local Railway Report in the German section of my site you can see some photos from the lines (and maps of all the lines too) The report is from October 2003. Good luck and good weather! Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: chris5201 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:12 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Skip or include Heshan--Laibin? I have about 5 days to spend around Liuzhou-Hechi next month. Is Heshan--Laibin worth including or would the day be better spent in Liuzhou or Hechi? The reports I've read on the line indicate mixed success in finding running steam. Thanks in advance. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2157-1070359713-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 11:34:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09912 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:34:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB2A8eg29364 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:08:40 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2157-1070359713-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2003 10:08:34 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48691 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 10:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 10:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-03.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 10:08:31 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-219-027.arcor-ip.net [212.144.219.27]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CE1D317068 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:08:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00ee01c3b8bc$409847f0$1bdb90d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.43 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:29:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 122 Hi, I was in Yuzhou in October and can confirm that this is the terminus of the line. Coal will come in by truck. The station itself is boring. Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Cotterill To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Discovery of line with 2 QJ's on coal trains Louis, The branches shown on Quail west of Yuzhou are part of the Xuchang NG system which used to serve a number of mines in this area. In 1997, when Ted Talbot visited the railway, the western section was busy with C4 hauled coal trains but a year later steam had finished and coal traffic was sparse. The reason was the opening of the line from Pingdingshan to Yuzhou. Instead of sending the coal out on the narrow gauge, it is trucked to Yuzhou and loaded into standard gauge wagons there. As far as I can tell, none of the branches have been regauged and the standard gauge doesn't appear to go anywhere except Yuzhou itself. The area does have a lot of coal mines and there may well be a few that haven't been discovered yet. Hope this helps, Duncan On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 22:46 Europe/London, Cerny wrote: > Michael Rhodes > > Thanks for your reply. I assume then, that this line is the one shown > on > the Quail Map (page 7) as running from Yuzhou south to Pingdingshan. > This > map shows many branches west of Yuzhou and one heading northwest to > Baisha > comes very near the line extending southwest from Xin Mi ( or Mi Xian) > reported as using steam by Bernd Seiler about a month ago. Are all > these > these lines from Yuzhou (other than the one to Pingdingshan) covered > by the > recent notice from Peter Patt that the Yuzhou coal company is diesel > since > 2002? > > Louis Cerny > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2158-1070375670-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 15:49:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23550 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:49:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB2EYag03733 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:34:37 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2158-1070375670-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2003 14:34:30 -0000 X-Sender: iejiej@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36278 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 14:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 14:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.232.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 14:34:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20031202143413.62174.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.159.46.195] by web21402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:34:13 PST To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.232.72 From: ian juden X-Yahoo-Profile: iejiej MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:34:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] News Update - Fuxin and Jingpeng / Jingchengjiang Flights Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 123 Fuxin - 11/29 & 11/30 Still going gangbusters. 17 different SYs seen in use over two days, all clean and three ex-works. At repair shop one being steamed, one completely stripped down with boiler being rebuilt. Open pit has hit deep seam of coal, therefore virtually no spoil trains working, and reduced level of ops compared to my last visit in 2000. Wulong-Taiping-Gaode double track section seeing a movement every ten mins between 07.30 and 11.30. Afternoons quieter, a train every 20 to 30 mins. Wangyang to Xinqui and Wulong to Xinqui passengers unchanged, but much shorter rakes (7 & 3 cars respectively). Mining has re-started in Xinqui area and coal trains coming on to line to Wulong. I didn't have time to investigate. Mining now extends much further south than previously, perhaps as much as 25km south of Qinhemen. Appear to be new branches in this area. 5 SY seen at super pit about 5km North of Qinhemen. N.G. Electric system to NE of pit in Fuxin extended, and 5 locos working. Passenger ceased, and most of track to Gaode lifted. N.G. Electric system just north of Qinhemen connecting super pit to washery at Sanjin very busy - train every 5 mins. Electric passengers around open pit in Fuxin not seen, and assumed discontinued. Has been massive scrapping of electrics since 2000. Superseded by more modern and versatile power - SYs. Weather abyssmal - smog - visibility less than 500m most of both days. Jing Peng - 12/1 & 12/1 Weather - Sunny with snow sprinklings on ground, but very, very windy - may be as low as -35 ( your choice degC or degF) incl wind chill factor. 5 each way in daylight. QJs mostly clean. Biggest problem is gricer congestion. Flights from BJ to Liuzhou There are daily flights dep 15.20 pm at about 1150 yuan (incl discounts) one way, flying time 3.5 hours. I do not know return times, but presumably am ex Liuzhou. Connects poorly with train schedule from Lzh to JCJ, so overall only a few hours faster than K5/K6. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2159-1070416375-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 02:59:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12791 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 02:59:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB31r2g07619 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 02:53:02 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2159-1070416375-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 01:52:56 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22816 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 01:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 01:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 01:52:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:52:54 -0800 Received: from 61.138.65.25 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:52:53 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 01:52:54.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC1B810:01C3B940] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.25 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [61.138.65.25] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:52:53 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Fu Xin Cheng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 124 I visited the Zhun Ge Er line for three days and found it a delight. Things are changing quickly, however, so I will make a bit of a report here instead of waiting to get home in two weeks. Florian's report from 1/2003 was of great help and I would look at that for guidance if you plan to visit this line. There have been some changes. Firstly, the final two buses from Zhoujiawan have been cancelled, so the last bus now leaves at 19.10, not at 18.00 as before. I know this because I missed it, twice. Also, as reported before, poles have been installed in anticipation of electrification, which all the crews agree will happen sometime between August and October 2004. But not on the whole line. More about this in a moment. I arrived to be greeted by 6 QJ's in steam at the jiwuduan at sunrise, a glorious sight. I had little time before I was on the 6946 and charging up the hill. Had a delightful day and got to go all the way past Hushi, to the terminus of the line at km 72.5, where mountains of coal await loading. I returned on the 6613 in the afternoon, and while the crew didn't let me fire, it was fortunate because I was able to scout the line. The crown jewel of the line is the water stop at Fu Xin Cheng, at km 32. There are bridges at km 29.3, 30.4, 31, 32.4,33, 34, and 35. The backdrop is similiar to the gorge at the Singing Sands, beautiful red striated rock with many side canyons. Starting from the station, eastbounds soon face a 13.5 in 1000 grade and work very hard, besides the bridges this area features many large finished rock cuts. Best of all, this whole area is free of poles, which makes a huge difference. I set out the next day to find this place by taxi. It took some doing. Florian is right, the dirt roads can be bewildering, they crisscross in all directions, often to peter out in some lonely canyon. But with determination , I found it. According to the staff, no westerners have been here before, just some Japanese. They were extremely friendly, so much so that when they offered me a bed for the night I gratefuuly accepted. They fed me well too and I tried to be a gracious guest. I will post directions to this fantastic place in a seperate e-mail, as I am awaiting developing photos here in Huhehaote for a particular roadsign. The line is busy, I was told that there are 16 trains each way in 24 hours, and my observations confirmed this. Between 0800 and 1600, I saw 5 movements in each direction. Light engine movements only went westbound, i.e. downgrade at Fu Xin Cheng. More than half of the trains had their headlight on in daylight. Trains are loaded to over 2000 tons. The QJ's are scruffy, but they are still good performers, working very hard around the clock. Incidently, I was told that the electrics locos will cost 40 times more than a QJ. All trains are doubleheaded. At least two of the QJ's have Geisl-type chimneys. The 7058 has a 2m x 3m patch on the fireman's side of the tender that is made of thin steel and threatened to burst forth with each exhaust beat, I wouldn't stand too close if I were you. If I had only one day to visit this line, I would do this; Visit the jiwuduan at sunrise, travel up the line to the big bridge at km 5 to photo the first train out, then head for Fu Xin Cheng. I would resist the temptation to stop at Haizita along the way; although it is ok, FXC is much better, especially in the afternoon, when the sunlight highlights the red rock canyons in the background there. I would not wait long, as the gas-powered constuction machine was seen to be very busy carrying various materials for the electrification. I gave up two days in the Jingpeng Pass for this and don't regret it at all. Again, directions to go by taxi to follow soon in a seperate e-mail. Ronald Olsen _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2160-1070454094-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 13:41:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18151 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:41:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB3CLeg07586 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:21:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2160-1070454094-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 12:21:35 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5307 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 12:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 12:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 12:21:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 12:21:17 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 62.254.32.4 X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:21:16 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Beijing Railway Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 125 Can anyone tell me if the Beijing Railway Museum is open all the year round and if so, on which days of the week. From previous messages in the archive it would appear to be Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays. Is this still correct? Having previously spent 9 hours in Beijing West watching the sleet falling from a leaden grey sky instead of the planned visit to Dahuichang Limestone Works it would be nice to know of a good alternative! ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2161-1070457872-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 14:30:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25657 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:30:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB3DPAg15058 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:25:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2161-1070457872-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 13:24:33 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60663 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 13:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 13:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.30) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 13:24:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 05:24:31 -0800 Received: from 219.159.62.179 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:24:31 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 13:24:31.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[C93FBF90:01C3B9A0] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.30 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [219.159.62.179] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:24:31 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Directions, FXC Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 126 The best way to get here is by locomotive, 32 km. If you can't talk your way onto a QJ, howver (there aren't any cabooses), it is 55 km by car. Start at the bus station at Zhoujiawan. Check your odometer. Head east out of town until you cross the big river bridge. To the left is the road back to Huhehaote. To the right is the road to Chun Pe Cha Dao Go, go that way. Go 22.6 km. You will see a 90 degree turn to the left. Go past it. 0.1 km later there is a 30 degree turn to the left. Go past that too. 0.1 km later you will be at a tollbooth, Y10. Go through this. You are now in the Da Fen Pu district. Go 24.5 km. You will come to a blue and white roadsign; -------------------------------------------------- Dongsheng 102 km * * Sa Ga Du * All in Chinese characters, of course. 23 km *************** * * -------------------------------------------------- 50 meters past this sign, take a left onto a dirt road. Check your odometer again. There will be a turn to the right before 2 km. Stay to the left. At 3.2 km there will be a turn to the right. Stay to the left. At 5.0 km there will be a 90 degree left turn. TAKE THIS ROAD. At 6.5 km there will be a turn to the right. Stay to the left. At 7.1 km there will be a turn to the right. Stay to the left. At 8.1 km there will be a turn to the right. TAKE THIS ROAD. You will start going downhill. At 8.2 km there will be a turn to the left. Take this road. You are almost there. At 8.9 km you have arrived at Fu Xin Cheng station. There is also a town by the same name that is not near here. If you have to ask directions, make sure you call it Fu Xin Cheng Che Zhan. My taxi driver was Kong Li Juin. He arrives late, with an empty gas tank and stomach. Use him or not, at least he knows now where the place is. Blue taxi KY3171. Tel # 13150884542. _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2162-1070464591-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 16:23:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12546 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:23:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB3FIPg28170 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:18:25 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2162-1070464591-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 15:16:32 -0000 X-Sender: hinrich.bruemmer@t-online.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55474 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 15:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2003 15:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 15:16:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2003 15:15:26 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "captnhinni" X-Originating-IP: 213.61.129.178 X-Yahoo-Profile: captnhinni MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:15:24 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Ji-Tong Travelguide 2004 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 127 Hi, I've just completed an update of the Ji-Tong Travelguide for 2004, albeit a little late, and uploaded it as a .pdf-file to the files section of this newsgroup. It grew a little bit large (2.8 MB), so if it is too big to download, I can mail the plain word-document to any one who is interested. Should anybody else have enough webspace, feel free to put it on your homepage for others to download it from there. By courtesy of Hans Schafer most of the information and the maps as of December 2003 were taken from his website (with some minor modifications made by me). So for any updates or the latest information, please take a look at his website at http://home.c2i.net/schaefer/jitongoverview.html or Florians website at http://www.qj-country.de. I hope it will be useful for all still traveling to Jingpeng. See you in China (I'll be at Jingpeng in February with Farrail tours/Bernd Seiler) Hinrich ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Thank you! Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald Olsen To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Directions, FXC The best way to get here is by locomotive, 32 km. If you can't talk your way onto a QJ, howver (there aren't any cabooses), it is 55 km by car. Start at the bus station at Zhoujiawan. Check your odometer. Head east out of town until you cross the big river bridge. To the left is the road back to Huhehaote. To the right is the road to Chun Pe Cha Dao Go, go that way. Go 22.6 km. You will see a 90 degree turn to the left. Go past it. 0.1 km later there is a 30 degree turn to the left. Go past that too. 0.1 km later you will be at a tollbooth, Y10. Go through this. You are now in the Da Fen Pu district. Go 24.5 km. You will come to a blue and white roadsign; -------------------------------------------------- Dongsheng 102 km * * Sa Ga Du * All in Chinese characters, of course. 23 km *************** * * -------------------------------------------------- 50 meters past this sign, take a left onto a dirt road. Check your odometer again. There will be a turn to the right before 2 km. Stay to the left. At 3.2 km there will be a turn to the right. Stay to the left. At 5.0 km there will be a 90 degree left turn. TAKE THIS ROAD. At 6.5 km there will be a turn to the right. Stay to the left. At 7.1 km there will be a turn to the right. Stay to the left. At 8.1 km there will be a turn to the right. TAKE THIS ROAD. You will start going downhill. At 8.2 km there will be a turn to the left. Take this road. You are almost there. At 8.9 km you have arrived at Fu Xin Cheng station. There is also a town by the same name that is not near here. If you have to ask directions, make sure you call it Fu Xin Cheng Che Zhan. My taxi driver was Kong Li Juin. He arrives late, with an empty gas tank and stomach. Use him or not, at least he knows now where the place is. Blue taxi KY3171. Tel # 13150884542. _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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The last bus from Zhoujiawan leaves at 17.10, not at 19.10 as I typed wrongly. If you want to visit Haizita, the road to it is 8.8 km past the tollbooth, take a right turn here and go about 3 km more. I stayed in a Bu Shufu Binguan the first night on the west side of town, forget it, try the Yi Dong for Y100, much better. If you take a Motoche to the jiwuduan, make sure your fillings are tight before you go. Imagine being sealed in a 55-gallon drum and having a giant play hockey with it. Terrible road ! A real taxi is worth the extra cost for the 4 km. Good Luck, Ronald _________________________________________________________________ Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Line difficult to phot due to wires but good shots around mines. Locos filthy but thrashed mercilessly. All we need is sun! Regards, Duncan To reply, e-mail: duncs.mobile@virgin.net NOTE I will only receive the first 150 characters of any message so keep it short please! Thank you for using the M-Mail service from Connectotel Ltd For more information about M-Mail and SMS-based software solutions and number hosting please visit http://www.connectotel.com/sms ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2166-1070560405-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 19:13:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07179 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:13:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB4I8Jg31822 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:08:20 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2166-1070560405-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 17:53:25 -0000 X-Sender: mueller@teltarif.de X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43978 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 17:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 17:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web1.teltarif.de) (212.162.3.225) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 17:53:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 10155 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2003 17:53:19 -0000 Received: from mark-bln.teltarif.de (HELO teltarif.de) (194.25.158.193) by web1i.teltarif.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 17:53:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 29388 invoked by uid 506); 4 Dec 2003 17:51:20 -0000 To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.162.3.225 From: Martin Mueller MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:51:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Steam_in_China] digital photo / IBM microdrive below zero? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id TAA07179 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 131 Hello everybody, following up a discussion some weeks ago I would like to know if one of the group members has experiences with digital cameras at low temperatures. I'm especially interested if the IBM Microdrives (1 GB) is working as IBM writes in the manual for that micro-harddisk-drive, that you should not use it below zero degrees celsius. Is it better to use normal Compact Flash Cards or the special ones (Sandisk Ultra) which should work until minus 25? I want to use a Nikon D100 with a IBM Microdrive 1 GB and will go to North of China (Huanan, JiTong) in the first two weeks of January. Can anybody help? Greetings, Martin Mller teltarif.de Onlineverlag GmbH Kornmarkt 5-7, 37073 Gttingen Tel: 0551 / 517 57-0, Fax: -11 mailto:mueller@teltarif.de ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2167-1070562203-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 19:29:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08713 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:28:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB4INTg01051 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:23:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2167-1070562203-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 18:23:23 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38271 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 18:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 18:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 18:23:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 18:23:18 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:23:18 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: digital photo / IBM microdrive below zero? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 132 Hello, Regarding the use of the IBM microdrive: I never had to use it when it was very, very cold. But even with near zero temperatures it is obvious that the drive was somehow slowing down a little. Which might have had more to do with the higher energy consumption (battery consumption) of the drive than with its ability to work under lower temperatures. As battery use is already a bit tricky at low temperatures, I decided not to use my micro drive on winter China trips any more and use standard compact flash instead (which also comes in 1Gb variety). ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2168-1070573837-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 00:10:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28852 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:10:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB4N4Cg27179 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:04:12 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2168-1070573837-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 21:37:17 -0000 X-Sender: chris5201@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10526 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 21:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2003 21:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 21:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2003 21:36:41 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "chris5201" X-Originating-IP: 208.224.223.134 X-Yahoo-Profile: chris5201 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:36:38 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: digital photo / IBM microdrive below zero? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id AAA28852 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 133 I've been using a pair of microdrives with my 10D around freezing with no problems. This included periods up several hours out in the cold. It may be a different story at minus 25. Do you just have one microdrive? If so, I'd get at least another card. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Martin Mueller wrote: > Hello everybody, > > following up a discussion some weeks ago I would like to know if one of > the group members has experiences with digital cameras at low > temperatures. > > I'm especially interested if the IBM Microdrives (1 GB) is working as IBM > writes in the manual for that micro-harddisk-drive, that you should not > use it below zero degrees celsius. Is it better to use normal Compact > Flash Cards or the special ones (Sandisk Ultra) which should work until > minus 25? > > I want to use a Nikon D100 with a IBM Microdrive 1 GB and will go to North > of China (Huanan, JiTong) in the first two weeks of January. Can anybody > help? > > Greetings, > Martin Mller > > > teltarif.de Onlineverlag GmbH > Kornmarkt 5-7, 37073 Gttingen > Tel: 0551 / 517 57-0, Fax: -11 > mailto:mueller@t... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2169-1070593541-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 04:08:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06443 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:08:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB535mg12409 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:05:49 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2169-1070593541-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 03:05:42 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85693 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 03:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 03:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 03:05:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:05:40 -0800 Received: from 219.159.41.36 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 03:05:39 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 03:05:40.0049 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9C75410:01C3BADC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.38 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [219.159.41.36] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 03:05:39 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Daban Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 134 Three diesel instructors in the room next to mine here in the Daban Jiwuduan. No diesels in the near future here, but they have extra crews without much to do, so they are learning theory. I am told that at the end of 2005, that will be the end of steam. We knew it had to happen, but it is still a bitter pill to swallow. The staff I have talked to don't know much about the Chabuga diesels, but it is probably permanent. One can hope though... Ronald olsen _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2170-1070646479-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 18:53:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06560 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:53:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB5HoLg10955 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:50:22 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2170-1070646479-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 17:48:11 -0000 X-Sender: brian.rumary@virgin.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72224 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 17:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 17:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 17:46:19 -0000 Received: from virgin.net ([81.101.65.198]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031205174617.OPDV3976.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@virgin.net> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:46:17 +0000 X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.164.43 From: "B.Rumary" X-Yahoo-Profile: purnellsuk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:46:15 GMT Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] digital photo / IBM microdrive below zero? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 135 Martin Mueller wrote: > following up a discussion some weeks ago I would like to know if one of > the group members has experiences with digital cameras at low > temperatures. > > I'm especially interested if the IBM Microdrives (1 GB) is working as IBM > writes in the manual for that micro-harddisk-drive, that you should not > use it below zero degrees celsius. Is it better to use normal Compact > Flash Cards or the special ones (Sandisk Ultra) which should work until > minus 25? > > I want to use a Nikon D100 with a IBM Microdrive 1 GB and will go to North > of China (Huanan, JiTong) in the first two weeks of January. Can anybody > help? > I have no personal experience of the Microdrives. However I should point out that these were once a good alternative to flash cards, as they gave much bigger capacities at a lower price per Mb. But I think this is no longer the case, as 1Gb Compact Flash cards are about the same price. As flash cards have no moving parts, unlike Microdrives, I would suspect that there is also less to go wrong. Also I think they use a bit less battery power than the Microdrives. So if you don't *already* own a Microdrive, I think that these days a flash card would be a better bet when buying a new 1Gb storage device. Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2171-1070663304-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 23:34:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24508 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:34:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB5MSXg03379 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:28:33 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2171-1070663304-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2003 22:28:27 -0000 X-Sender: habraken.dave@yucom.be X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76580 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 20:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2003 20:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) (134.58.240.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 20:40:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DEA137D12 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:40:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F871378EF for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:40:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from dave (10-67-112-168.kotnet.org [10.67.112.168]) by antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 573424C0D1 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:40:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <01f301c3bb6f$fc750fc0$a870430a@dave> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 134.58.240.45 From: "Dave Habraken" X-Yahoo-Profile: dave_habraken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:40:14 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] some questions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id XAA24508 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 136 Hello; some time ago, I allready launched some questions about a planned trip to China. With only two weeks left, I have some further questions. - I've read some reports about the 7th February works in Beijing. We would like to visit this plant on the day of our arrival and continue towards Chifeng the same evening. But: where is this plant? How can we find it? Does anybody know if the JF runs at the moment? Has anyone got ideas where to leave our luggage? Is there a luggage depot near the plant? Or would it be smarter to drive at Beijing Nan (where our train leaves in the evening), leave the luggage and continue to the 7th February works? In fact: how far is it from Beijing Nan to this plant? - when we're in Chifeng, we want to visit Yuanbaoshan before driving to Reshu. Is there a luggage depot at Yuanbaoshan? What are the chances of finding a taxi driver at Yuanbaoshan who wants to take us to Reshu? If not, we have to go back to Chifeng and take a taxi/bus from there. - it seems, the train connections from Tongliao to Tiefa aren't really the best in the world. Is there a bus on this route or do we have to take a cab? - I've read something about SY's in Tongliao's Power Plant. Does anybody know the status of these engins? That's it for the moment. I'll try to keep you informed when I'm in China. As we're passing by in Tongliao, I'll try to find out what's the case with those d*mned diesels, mentioned earlier in some reports. Regards, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2172-1070784047-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 09:03:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17837 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:03:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB780rg13524 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:00:53 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2172-1070784047-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 08:00:47 -0000 X-Sender: friendctsjun@yahoo.com.cn X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82280 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 08:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 08:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web15003.mail.bjs.yahoo.com) (202.3.77.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 08:00:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20031207080044.88641.qmail@web15003.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.61.171.34] by web15003.mail.bjs.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:00:44 CST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01f301c3bb6f$fc750fc0$a870430a@dave> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 202.3.77.6 From: =?gb2312?q?xuejun=20liu?= X-Yahoo-Profile: friendctsjun MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:00:44 +0800 (CST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] some questions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 137 Hi:Dave If you want to visit Beijing JF, you must booked 2 days early ,200yuan only get 30 mintues photo, JF factory(27 factory) is near Dahuichang where to visit JF about 2 or 3km. But JF will stop middle Dec,will be running on next MARCH. hope you are luck Xuejun Liu. Dave Habraken wrote: Hello; some time ago, I allready launched some questions about a planned trip to China. With only two weeks left, I have some further questions. - I've read some reports about the 7th February works in Beijing. We would like to visit this plant on the day of our arrival and continue towards Chifeng the same evening. But: where is this plant? How can we find it? Does anybody know if the JF runs at the moment? Has anyone got ideas where to leave our luggage? Is there a luggage depot near the plant? Or would it be smarter to drive at Beijing Nan (where our train leaves in the evening), leave the luggage and continue to the 7th February works? In fact: how far is it from Beijing Nan to this plant? - when we're in Chifeng, we want to visit Yuanbaoshan before driving to Reshu? Is there a luggage depot at Yuanbaoshan? What are the chances of finding a taxi driver at Yuanbaoshan who wants to take us to Reshu? If not, we have to go back to Chifeng and take a taxi/bus from there. - it seems, the train connections from Tongliao to Tiefa aren't really the best in the world. Is there a bus on this route or do we have to take a cab? - I've read something about SY's in Tongliao's Power Plant. Does anybody know the status of these engins? That's it for the moment. I'll try to keep you informed when I'm in China. As we're passing by in Tongliao, I'll try to find out what's the case with those d*mned diesels, mentioned earlier in some reports. Regards, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2173-1070787136-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 09:54:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19465 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:54:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB78qNg16926 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:52:23 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2173-1070787136-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 08:52:17 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15443 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 08:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 08:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 08:52:14 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HPIOMZ00.1O9 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:52:11 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3961633206.3320639616@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:52:11 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 138 Being now on the windown stage of my visit to China whic, has take me to many places, some of which I dearly want to visit again, along with some new ones, I would like to put a small update or info for those intending a visit especially to Jingpeng. A fuller report will be put out ASAP. Train Schedules: Each day we have gotten the daylight schedules for trains running in each direction. This gives only a rough idea of the running. Some trains, from both directions run extremely late,it is not uncommon to find trains scheduled to arrive at Jingpeng at 0300, not arriving to 0700. Yet when the engine numbers are checked, they went west the previous evening. Likewise, the same thing happens from the East. Trackwork at Si Min Yi bridge disrupted traffic for two days 25/26 November, also Saturday 6 Dec. The schedule does provide for around 5- 6 trains each direction. But, you are fortunate if you get that many running especially to time. One one day only did we come close & that was 24 November. Weather: Here is something that must be stressed very strongly to anyone comming this year. I was here at the same time in 2001 & experienced good weather with temps around the -5/8 in the night & around +6-10 daytime. The exception being my last day with temps plunging to -20 after a sand storm the previous day that was then accompanied by a snow blizard. That was the coldest I had ever experienced in my life. NOW: For the 2 weeks that I have been on the Jitong Line, from Reshui- Jingpeng - Chabugga etc. on NO occassion has the temperature gotten above 0. The best temp has been -10 in daylight, with most days around - 13-15, with several at -20. Sat 6/12 at 1430 the temp was -26 without the wind that reduced the temp by a further 5 degrees or more. Today 7/12 is not much better. You may ask why am I putting this on the site, well the answer is simple. Several people have come here totally unprepared for the cold. I have had 4 layers of clothes on my lower body, as well as 5 on the top & the wind & cold still penetrated. An Australian in a tour group visiting Jalainur ended up with Pneumonia, then had to go on a drip as he got water on his lungs. As all of you can imagine most of his trip was basically a write off. Members of the group I met said he was unprepared without the correct clothing for the climate. While I am not an experienced China traveller, I have reason to believe that this winter will be an extremely cold one. For those considering comming, especially later, make sure the clothing is right & enjoy some great sights whilst you still can. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2174-1070792980-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 11:34:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23896 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:33:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB7ATkg23183 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:29:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2174-1070792980-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 10:29:40 -0000 X-Sender: chinatt@eudoramail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54140 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 10:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 10:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO whowhere.com) (209.202.220.219) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 10:29:39 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:29:24 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: Content-Language: en X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 159.157.251.43 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.202.220.219 From: "Duncan Peattie" X-Yahoo-Profile: duncanpeattie MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:29:24 0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway Timetable - members' views sought Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 139 I am interested in obtaining opinions on an A5 format version of my Chinese Railway Timetable, to assist in planning for the next (April 2004) edition. To date I have published the timetable in A4 format as I have not had the capability to do otherwise. Whilst clear to read this makes the timetable larger than ideal for travelling. I have now produced, as an experiment, copies of the latest (October 2002) timetable in A5 format. The content of the timetable is identical; only the page size (and perforce the type size) has been reduced. In some cases the type size is smaller than I would prefer, but the advantage of convenience may outweigh this. I have posted a small (38kb) .pdf file as a sample of the timetable in A5 format. By printing it (two A5 pages on one A4 page) you will be able to judge if the type size is suitable for you. The type size on each page of the timetable varies in size to make maximum use of the available space. The sample shows the range of sizes currently used. The timetable remains available in A4 and .pdf formats. Please contact me off list to let me know your views, or if you have any questions about the A5 version (or the timetable in general). I always welcome feedback on any facet of the timetable to improve future editions. With best wishes, Duncan Peattie Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2175-1070805635-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 15:04:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03609 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:04:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB7E0fg05120 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:00:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2175-1070805635-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 14:00:35 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26446 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 14:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 14:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 14:00:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 14:00:33 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 220.166.79.195 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:00:32 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shibanxi narrow gauge railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 140 Hello all, I am now at Weiyuan city, Sichuan Provience for visiting to Weiyuan Coal Railway. Local people say the steam is still running, so waiting for tomorrow visit. Before I come to here, I was in Bago on Shibanxi narrow gauge railway. The line still has heavy traffic. Four passenger trains run as usual and also one or two freight trains run addtionally everyday. The railway company is planning to finish the line soon. The closing date has set up by the end of year 2003 at first. But since local people againsted this idea, the company reschedured the closing date by March 2004. I very much doubt this date too, but if you are interested in to visit the line, I recommend to go there ASAP. My English speaking guide Mr.Zebedee(Mr Zhang Guangyu) is very friendly and nice middle aged guy. His new E-mail address is: zebedee_china@hotmail.com (Unfortunetely he has no mobil phone) I found him on Mr.Greg Howell's report(Thanks him!). http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/trains/china209.htm Since Mr.Zebedee used to work as a English teacher at junior high school, his English skill is quite good. And he offer me only 100 yuan per day(the same price up to 4 persons!) + expence which including transportation fee to and from my meeting point. I very much appreciate his support. (We take only public transportations, so I do not spend much money.) I will report more detail when I back home. Regards, Jun Shirakawa ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2176-1070806272-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 15:14:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04103 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:14:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB7EBJg05850 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:11:19 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl Message-Id: <200312071411.hB7EBJg05850@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl> X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2176-1070806272-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 14:11:12 -0000 X-Sender: intlgen@railography.co.uk X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20036 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 14:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 14:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO connectotel.com) (213.210.20.253) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 14:11:11 -0000 Received: from SMS Gateway mmail@connectotel.com [10.1.1.4] by connectotel.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:12:50 +0100 To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.210.20.253 X-eGroups-From: intlgen@railography.co.uk From: duncs.mobile@virgin.net X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 07 Dec 2003 14:11:24 GMT Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chabuga Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 141 Message from +447970029096 Duncan Cotterill The diesels have arrived - early DF4 - 0444, 0544, 0549 seen today. Only working to Zhelimu - Chabuga to Daban all steam! Regards, Duncan To reply, e-mail: duncs.mobile@virgin.net NOTE I will only receive the first 150 characters of any message so keep it short please! Thank you for using the M-Mail service from Connectotel Ltd For more information about M-Mail and SMS-based software solutions and number hosting please visit http://www.connectotel.com/sms ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2177-1070821217-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 19:24:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16645 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:23:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB7IKOg23075 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:20:24 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2177-1070821217-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 18:20:18 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62739 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 18:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 18:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 18:20:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 18:20:14 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.7.84 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:20:14 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Coal shortage Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 142 Hello all, Today's Official Chinese government webpage, http://english.peopledaily.com/cn has stories on how acute the shortage of coal for power generation is getting in China. This may prolong the lives many marginal coal mines. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2178-1070825030-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 20:29:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20209 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:29:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB7JNug27508 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:23:56 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2178-1070825030-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2003 19:23:50 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36420 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 19:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2003 19:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 19:23:47 -0000 Received: from 66-44-7-84.s1862.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.7.84] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1AT4VO-0002j3-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:23:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c3bcf7$a669a030$54072c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:23:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Coal shortage Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 143 Oops! the correct website is http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/ Sorry! ----- Original Message ----- From: "notenfrog" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Coal shortage > Hello all, > > Today's Official Chinese government webpage, > > http://english.peopledaily.com/cn > > has stories on how acute the shortage of coal for power generation > is getting in China. This may prolong the lives many marginal coal > mines. > > Louis Cerny > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2179-1070895644-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 16:06:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04901 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:06:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB8F0qg06928 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:00:52 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2179-1070895644-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 15:00:46 -0000 X-Sender: Roger.BLUNDELL@networkrail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85262 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 15:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 15:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO esw4.rail.co.uk) (192.12.43.29) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 15:00:42 -0000 Received: from rshq-sr1-b02.railtrack.co.uk (unverified) by esw4.rail.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.11) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:01:45 +0000 Received: by rshq-sr1-b02.railtrack.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:00:40 -0000 Message-ID: <7E5B0F48C2B4D411B02E00508BAF89A51887B1@rsea-eah-m01.railtrack.co.uk> To: "'Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com'" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.12.43.29 From: Blundell Roger X-Yahoo-Profile: roger_blundell MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:00:30 -0000 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway Timetable - members' views s ought Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 144 Hello Duncan, Although I travel light in China with just a shoulder bag I would prefer an A4 format timetable. This size is better when used for advance planning at home. Rather than take your whole timetable with me I simply photocopied the relevant pages and took those sheets with me. Thanks again for all your good work. Roger Blundell -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Peattie [mailto:chinatt@eudoramail.com] Sent: 07 December 2003 10:29 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway Timetable - members' views sought I am interested in obtaining opinions on an A5 format version of my Chinese Railway Timetable, to assist in planning for the next (April 2004) edition. To date I have published the timetable in A4 format as I have not had the capability to do otherwise. Whilst clear to read this makes the timetable larger than ideal for travelling. I have now produced, as an experiment, copies of the latest (October 2002) timetable in A5 format. The content of the timetable is identical; only the page size (and perforce the type size) has been reduced. In some cases the type size is smaller than I would prefer, but the advantage of convenience may outweigh this. I have posted a small (38kb) .pdf file as a sample of the timetable in A5 format. By printing it (two A5 pages on one A4 page) you will be able to judge if the type size is suitable for you. The type size on each page of the timetable varies in size to make maximum use of the available space. The sample shows the range of sizes currently used. The timetable remains available in A4 and .pdf formats. Please contact me off list to let me know your views, or if you have any questions about the A5 version (or the timetable in general). I always welcome feedback on any facet of the timetable to improve future editions. With best wishes, Duncan Peattie Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2180-1070943691-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 05:24:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25847 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:24:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB94Leg12704 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:21:40 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2180-1070943691-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 04:21:31 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41178 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 04:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 04:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 04:20:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 04:19:46 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 61.53.176.139 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:19:45 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] dahuichang, pingdinshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 145 dahhuich: bus 385 no longer runbs from gonchengli station. Go west, then turn left, there are minibuses taking you to a level crossing where you can get a bus to dahuichang. Pingdinshan: all steam, big deflectors QJ too, one 5train seen with banker. Bus 20 changed into bus 7 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2181-1070954371-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 08:25:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06368 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:25:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB97Jbg25464 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:19:37 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2181-1070954371-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 07:19:31 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75220 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 07:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 07:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 07:19:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:19:28 -0800 Received: from 219.159.46.72 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 07:19:27 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 07:19:28.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8351D10:01C3BE24] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.69 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [219.159.46.72] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 07:19:27 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Daban Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 146 Hans Schaefer and I today helped a crew shovel coal out of the tender of QJ 6125 as it is being withdrawn. 7009 was busy shunting in the storage tracks making lots of room, one of the workers told Hans that all locomotives with boilers older than 20 years are being withdrawn shortly. The 6110, the oldest currently left and one of the original 24, left this morning on a freight to Haoloku. The same worker said that steam with finish in ALL of China by 2005 (end or beginning ?) , has someone else any information on some edict from the leadership in Beijing ? The Steam Festival was a great success, I was a little leery of joining a group but I had a great time. With official status we were able to use the radio to great effect, having headlights turned on and trains stopped so we could get off and photograph meets. I recommend it highly. Ron Olsen _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2182-1070976773-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 15:00:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08040 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:00:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hB9DWxg10952 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:33:00 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl Message-Id: <200312091333.hB9DWxg10952@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl> X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2182-1070976773-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2003 13:32:53 -0000 X-Sender: intlgen@railography.co.uk X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32147 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 13:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 13:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO connectotel.com) (213.210.20.253) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 13:32:51 -0000 Received: from SMS Gateway mmail@connectotel.com [10.1.1.4] by connectotel.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:34:31 +0100 To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.210.20.253 X-eGroups-From: intlgen@railography.co.uk From: duncs.mobile@virgin.net X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 09 Dec 2003 13:32:57 GMT Subject: [Steam_in_China] JiTong Plans Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 147 Message from +447970029096 Duncan Cotterill Rumours from rly staff: Chabuga Tongliao all diesel from 1/1/04, Chabuga Daban next (when?), Daban to get first few diesels by end of 2004! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2183-1071015432-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 01:20:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00832 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:20:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBA0HRg15106 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:17:28 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2183-1071015432-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 00:17:13 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5567 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 00:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 00:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 00:17:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 00:17:10 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.104 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:17:09 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Another new steam line discovered in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 148 Hello all, Just got my CRJ #136. It describes what I believe to be a newly discovered steam line only 73 kilometers south of Beijing on the line to Shijiazhuang. SY0164 is said to be one of a pair of locomotives. The new steam discovery is the Gaobeidian Local Railway, which I assume is the line shown on page 3 of the Quail map as the Gao-Yi line 20 Z3. That map shows it to be a 34 kilometer local railway from Gaobeidian to Yi Xian that was formerly 762mm gauge. Congratulations to CRJ and its anonymous correspondent! Much additional China news can also be found in this publication. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2184-1071042835-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 08:58:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29200 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:58:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBA7s2g19578 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:54:07 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2184-1071042835-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 07:53:56 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36026 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 07:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 07:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.187) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 07:53:54 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ATzAP-0001sp-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:53:53 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ATzAP-0003GV-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:53:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3FD6D110.2216BFC3@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.187 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:53:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Another new steam line discovered in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 149 Dear Louis, Gaobeidian Local Railway was first reported by Bruce Evans about one year ago (http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~menius/trains/china347.htm). By the way: last update of qjc-homepage will be tomorrow (my backpack for China is already prepared...). Hoping for a good (maybe the last?) steam winter in Mongolia and Liaoning! Florian Menius > Just got my CRJ #136. It describes what I believe to be a newly > discovered steam line only 73 kilometers south of Beijing on the > line to Shijiazhuang. SY0164 is said to be one of a pair of > locomotives. > > The new steam discovery is the Gaobeidian Local Railway, which I > assume is the line shown on page 3 of the Quail map as the Gao-Yi > line 20 Z3. That map shows it to be a 34 kilometer local railway > from Gaobeidian to Yi Xian that was formerly 762mm gauge. > > Congratulations to CRJ and its anonymous correspondent! > > Much additional China news can also be found in this publication. > > Louis Cerny > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [click here] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2185-1071044532-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 09:26:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03276 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:26:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBA8MIg23227 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:22:18 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2185-1071044532-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 08:22:12 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63921 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 08:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 08:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 08:22:10 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HPO78X00.68A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:22:09 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <57ff452128.5212857ff4@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:22:08 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Reshui Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 150 Last full day in Reshui today, powder snow statrted at around 0900 & still snowing at 1600, getting heavier. I thought I would add something of experience with the cold here in regard to batteries. I purchased a Pentax MZ50 in 2001 & still had the same original 2 Energiser Lithium batteries untill they went dead in PDS last month. I changed them to 2 new KODAK lithiums, but on 3rd DEcember when visiting Daban these batteries failed me in night shots in the shed. I have now been taking them out of the camera at night & at night when camera is not being used. So far they have not died on me. But if there is a next time I will ensure that I have spares. Also I will from now on stick to the energiser's as the only batteries. I also have a Panasonic mini DV camera, & the cold here has had a very marked affect on these Lithium batteries as well. I use 3 batteries, 1x1 hour; 1x 3 hour & 1x 4hour. This time around the 1 hour is lasting only 10-20 minutes, even when putting the battery down my shirt. The 3 hour gets maybe 45-55 minutes & the 4 hour dies at around 2 hours. At home in Aus these batteries last for nearly the full stated times. I had purchased a new battery as a back up, but thabkfuly I did not beed to use it, as the combination of the others along with erratic train running meant I just got through each day Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2186-1071061054-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 14:18:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16198 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:18:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBACveg29005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:57:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2186-1071061054-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 12:57:34 -0000 X-Sender: iejiej@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78740 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 12:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 12:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21407.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.232.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 12:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20031210125731.99991.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.28.66.39] by web21407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:57:31 PST To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.232.77 From: ian juden X-Yahoo-Profile: iejiej MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:57:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] dahuichang / pingdingshan updates Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 151 no changes from recent reports at either dahuichang or pingdingshan. at dahuichang c2s working trains at approx half hour frequency, with operations in progress by 12.00, and probably earlier in the day. bus 354 does not run from guchenglu at present due to new road construction. i took a taxi which was 96 yuan on the meter. coming back bus 354 operates to a point adjacent to a rail track, probably part of capital iron and steel. after crossing the tracks mini buses are available to guchenglu. doing this in the opposite direction may be difficult, and a taxi, although expensive, may be the best bet. journey time from guchenglu by either bus or taxi now about one and a half hours. qj, sy and js all still active at pingdingshan. no sign of the rumoured diesels. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2187-1071097199-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 00:01:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11443 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:01:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBAN0Ag01597 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:00:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2187-1071097199-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2003 23:00:04 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72315 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 21:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2003 21:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 21:49:02 -0000 Received: from 66-44-7-104.s1882.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.7.104] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1AUCCb-0001sG-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:49:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c3bf67$6bc5d5d0$68072c42@S0028187519> To: References: <3FD6D110.2216BFC3@qj-country.de> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:48:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Another new steam line discovered in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 152 Florian Menius Sorry for the oversight, and belated congratulations to Bruce Evans for the discovery of steam on the Gaobeidian Local Railway. Hope you have an excellent and steamy trip to China. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Another new steam line discovered in China > Dear Louis, > > Gaobeidian Local Railway was first reported by Bruce Evans about one > year ago > (http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~menius/trains/china347.htm). > > By the way: last update of qjc-homepage will be tomorrow (my backpack > for China is already prepared...). > > Hoping for a good (maybe the last?) steam winter in Mongolia and > Liaoning! > > Florian Menius > > > Just got my CRJ #136. It describes what I believe to be a newly > > discovered steam line only 73 kilometers south of Beijing on the > > line to Shijiazhuang. SY0164 is said to be one of a pair of > > locomotives. > > > > The new steam discovery is the Gaobeidian Local Railway, which I > > assume is the line shown on page 3 of the Quail map as the Gao-Yi > > line 20 Z3. That map shows it to be a 34 kilometer local railway > > from Gaobeidian to Yi Xian that was formerly 762mm gauge. > > > > Congratulations to CRJ and its anonymous correspondent! > > > > Much additional China news can also be found in this publication. > > > > Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2188-1071110299-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 03:40:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19190 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 03:40:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBB2dng18827 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 03:39:50 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2188-1071110299-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 02:38:20 -0000 X-Sender: Trainrider47@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59785 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 02:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 02:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 02:38:16 -0000 Received: from Trainrider47@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.36.4d33ea38 (3988) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:38:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36.4d33ea38.2d09328a@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.103 From: trainrider47@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: a231pacific MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:38:02 EST Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Jing Peng Digest Number 511 Message 1 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 153 > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:52:11 +0800 > From: > Subject: Jingpeng Colin is right to warn about the weather, but it is also good to stress how variable it can be as well. I was there from November 9 to 21 this year and had quite warm weather most days. We had a blizzard on our last full day there, when the temperatures finally dropped well below zero. With winds approaching 50 to 60 kph, wind chill is a major problem. When the temperatures drop to -30 C and more (observd in January 2000) it is dangerously cold. Add high wind and frost bite to face and ears is a real risk, followed by the danger of frost bite to hands and feet. Be prepared for this kind of cold from early November to end of February, but also be prepared to find it much warmer. Wearing many layers is much better than bringing one heavy snow suit. If you get all hot and sweating climbing the hills, you will be at increased risk from wind chill! If you go to this web site http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/global_monitoring/temperature/tn54115_1yr.gif you will see that the temperatures in Linxi (city nearest to Jing Peng) have been alternating well above and well below normal all year. When we were there in November, temperatures were up to 15 degrees C above normal. Since late November, it has been well below normal. You can't predict the future very well from looking at the past, but this should warn everyone to be prepared for any kind of weather! Michael Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2189-1071146976-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 14:00:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23991 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:00:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBBCnig21242 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:49:45 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2189-1071146976-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 12:49:38 -0000 X-Sender: tillemen@yahoo.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5375 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 07:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 07:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14907.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 07:57:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20031211075716.7942.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.86.159.184] by web14907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:57:16 CET To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.225.59 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Till=20Mosler?= X-Yahoo-Profile: tillemen MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:57:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Daban Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 154 Ni hao Ron, during the last days I read your reports and that you join a good time. Tomorrow I will start my first wintertrip this year. I will go first with Bernd to northkorea and later for my self to some places in China. One of the places I will go will be Fuxin. I heard you have been in Fuxin too. Can you give me some information about the passenger to Minzhou (on its way there is the known christian chruch) . Is it still working? Do you know the new timetable? In no report I read something about it. Best wishes to Daban Till Mosler Ronald Olsen wrote: Hans Schaefer and I today helped a crew shovel coal out of the tender of QJ 6125 as it is being withdrawn. 7009 was busy shunting in the storage tracks making lots of room, one of the workers told Hans that all locomotives with boilers older than 20 years are being withdrawn shortly. The 6110, the oldest currently left and one of the original 24, left this morning on a freight to Haoloku. The same worker said that steam with finish in ALL of China by 2005 (end or beginning ?) , has someone else any information on some edict from the leadership in Beijing ? The Steam Festival was a great success, I was a little leery of joining a group but I had a great time. With official status we were able to use the radio to great effect, having headlights turned on and trains stopped so we could get off and photograph meets. I recommend it highly. Ron Olsen _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Gesendet von http://mail.yahoo.de Schneller als Mail - der neue Yahoo! Messenger. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2190-1071147983-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 14:18:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26377 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:18:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBBD6Yg23566 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:06:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2190-1071147983-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 13:06:27 -0000 X-Sender: pm1223@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87589 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 09:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2003 09:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 09:35:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2003 09:35:01 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "Steve Wasiura" X-Originating-IP: 219.159.45.233 X-Yahoo-Profile: amtraksmw2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:35:01 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Yangjiazhangzi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 155 Hello all, Haven't seen much reported about this line since its initial discovery. Had a very successful visit there two days ago. Four return trips made with two JS working. I haven't seen JS work so hard since the good old days at Chengde! The light at the summit is excellent nearly all day, and there are many good photo spots in the hills. Definately worth a visit. A full report (Pingdingshan, Shibanxi, Yangziazhangzi, Tiefa, JiTong) of this, unfortunately, mostly hard luck trip will come upon return home. Happy steaming, Steve Wasiura ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2191-1071190079-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 01:52:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20890 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:52:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBC0mAg04259 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:48:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2191-1071190079-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 00:48:04 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81504 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 00:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 00:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.23) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 00:37:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:37:01 -0800 Received: from 61.149.167.153 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:37:01 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 00:37:01.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EFB3BB0:01C3C048] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.23 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [61.149.167.153] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:37:01 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Better hurry Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 156 I met so many crews learning diesel theory in Daban that I lost count. I believe that there is no chance that steam will last to the end of 2005 there, I would be grateful to have one more winter of 100% steam Daban - Haoloku. Go while it lasts ! Note to Colin Hussey; if you think it was cold outside, try holding your arm out the cab window for 3 hours getting GPS data, with gloves thin enough to still operate it. Next time you look at one of Hans Schaefer's maps, think warm thoughts of me ! To Peter Patt, John Diefenbach, and Bernd Seiler; Mr. He is studying in Beijing, and has been replaced by Sao Hui. He is just as helpful and friendly as his predecessor. I had one of my best trips this time, and look forward to a quick return. Thanks for all the great reports from people, and keep them coming. Ronald Olsen _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2192-1071233223-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 14:00:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00814 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:00:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBCClBg06367 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:47:12 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2192-1071233223-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2003 12:47:03 -0000 X-Sender: habraken.dave@yucom.be X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70841 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 12:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2003 12:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) (134.58.240.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 12:47:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1374B537 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:47:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125F64B640 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:47:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from dave (10-67-112-168.kotnet.org [10.67.112.168]) by antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with SMTP id F12794C0D1 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:47:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003401c3c0ad$f972c770$a870430a@dave> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 134.58.240.41 From: "Dave Habraken" X-Yahoo-Profile: dave_habraken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:46:34 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Anshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id OAA00814 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 157 Hello; Being advised by some more experienced travellers, I have contacted Benxi for one day visit. At this point, they want to charge me 128 € pro person (!!) just to enter the steelwork and have lunch (which I'm allready trying to skip). This seems a bit overrated to me, is this the normal price? I doubt it, so that's why I'm asking for your help once more. If you agree with me that this price is a little overrated (otherwise, I would like to here your advice too so I can reconsider), then I'm thinking of visiting Anshan. But, then new problems occure: - is Anshan as expensive as Benxi or is it cheaper? - where can I get a guide for Anshan? How can I contact them? - can you visit the tipping area again in Anshan? I've read in several reports, this has become very difficult because of an accident. Bernd Seiler reports on his site that Handan is becoming more difficult to visit to (much restrictions). Has anyone got experiences from the last months who can confirm this? Otherwise, this is a possibility too on the way to Pingdingshan. In the case that Handan is still worth a visit, van somebody answer me on the same questions as the ones for Anshan? Can you please give me some advice, I really would like to visit a steel work where I can see steam engins at the tipping areas but I'm stunned of the ireasonable price at Benxi. Thanks in advance, Dave Habraken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2193-1071317481-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 13:12:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24490 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:12:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBDCBRg21586 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:11:28 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2193-1071317481-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 12:11:21 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65716 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 12:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 12:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 12:11:20 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AV8cA-000ATB-0Y for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:11:19 +0000 Message-ID: <009701c3c172$33fff1f0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: <003401c3c0ad$f972c770$a870430a@dave> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.217.242.92 From: "mr" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:11:12 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Anshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 158 Handan is a really easy steelworks to visit in my experience (based on a visit in October 2003) We had free access to everywhere and there are some good photo opportunities and 13 operational SY Its convenient if you are going to PDS MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Habraken" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Anshan Hello; Being advised by some more experienced travellers, I have contacted Benxi for one day visit. At this point, they want to charge me 128 € pro person (!!) just to enter the steelwork and have lunch (which I'm allready trying to skip). This seems a bit overrated to me, is this the normal price? I doubt it, so that's why I'm asking for your help once more. If you agree with me that this price is a little overrated (otherwise, I would like to here your advice too so I can reconsider), then I'm thinking of visiting Anshan. But, then new problems occure: - is Anshan as expensive as Benxi or is it cheaper? - where can I get a guide for Anshan? How can I contact them? - can you visit the tipping area again in Anshan? I've read in several reports, this has become very difficult because of an accident. Bernd Seiler reports on his site that Handan is becoming more difficult to visit to (much restrictions). Has anyone got experiences from the last months who can confirm this? Otherwise, this is a possibility too on the way to Pingdingshan. In the case that Handan is still worth a visit, van somebody answer me on the same questions as the ones for Anshan? Can you please give me some advice, I really would like to visit a steel work where I can see steam engins at the tipping areas but I'm stunned of the ireasonable price at Benxi. Thanks in advance, Dave Habraken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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TH Can you please give me some advice, I really would like to visit a steel work where I can see steam engins at the tipping areas but I'm stunned of the ireasonable price at Benxi. Thanks in advance, Dave Habraken ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2195-1071343410-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 20:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17921 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:29:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBDJNbg20162 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:23:37 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2195-1071343410-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 19:23:31 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76810 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 19:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 19:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 19:23:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 19:22:45 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.7.70 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:22:45 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Photo Report on Nanpiao Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 160 Hello all, Rob Dickinson now has an excellent text and photo report on Nanpiao on his International Working Steam website. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2196-1071356469-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 00:03:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26891 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:03:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBDN1Fg02744 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:01:16 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2196-1071356469-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 23:01:10 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68377 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 23:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 23:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 23:01:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 20029 invoked by uid 65534); 13 Dec 2003 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b80739.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO peter) (217.184.7.57) by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 00:01:03 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3FDCF9B6.20448.177471B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1071303983.643.28059.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:00:54 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Anshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 161 Dave, Anshan is quite restrictive what you are allowed to see and what not. I don't know what they charge but the tipping area was off-limits when we visited the steelwork last September. The tipping area in Benxi is off-limits as well, as far as I know. If you drive around the steelwork complex, you can watch the tipping area from a distance (there is a river between you and the tipping area. Not very spectacular, though. My choice for tipping is still Baotou steelwork because there you don't even need to enter the steelwork's premises because some of the tipping happens outside! Good luck, Peter P.S.: I may ruin your participation on 3.1.: Xunhua has no tipping... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2197-1071356946-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 00:13:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27381 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:13:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBDN9Cg03239 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:09:12 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2197-1071356946-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2003 23:09:06 -0000 X-Sender: habraken.dave@yucom.be X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90288 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 23:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2003 23:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elpis.telenet-ops.be) (195.130.132.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 23:09:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (adicia.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.56]) by elpis.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id CBDD437E73 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:09:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from z3t6q6 (d51534B72.kabel.telenet.be [81.83.75.114]) by adicia.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AE6E37E80 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:09:04 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001f01c3c1cd$cd5ebba0$724b5351@pandora.be> To: References: <3FDCF9B6.20448.177471B@localhost> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.130.132.40 From: "Dave Habraken" X-Yahoo-Profile: dave_habraken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:06:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Anshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 162 Hello Peter; Thanks a lot. For Xunhua: no problem! For us, it's interesting to visit the place anyway and this way, we're pretty sure not to miss the plane :-)) I really want to see slag tipping once so I think I will go to Beitai. The pictures I saw on Rob Dickensons site are quite impressive so I go for that one. Maybe, with a guide, I can visit Benxi on the same day but 128€ just for Benxi is too much, I think. Can I ask you for the mailadress or phone number of your guide at Hanshan? I'm considering to visit this place the 31st of december in the afternoon. This is 4 days after you, so maybe I can call you the 27th in the evening if you could visit all the places you wanted too. If so, I am willing to visit it, otherwise we drive directly through to Pingdingshan. Thanks for your help once again, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Patt" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Anshan > Dave, > > Anshan is quite restrictive what you are allowed to see and what not. > I don't know what they charge but the tipping area was off-limits when we visited the > steelwork last September. > > The tipping area in Benxi is off-limits as well, as far as I know. > If you drive around the steelwork complex, you can watch the tipping area from a > distance (there is a river between you and the tipping area. Not very spectacular, > though. > > My choice for tipping is still Baotou steelwork because there you don't even need to > enter the steelwork's premises because some of the tipping happens outside! > > Good luck, > Peter > > P.S.: I may ruin your participation on 3.1.: Xunhua has no tipping... > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2198-1071373563-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 04:48:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03542 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:48:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBE3kAg27391 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:46:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2198-1071373563-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 03:46:04 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88532 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 03:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 03:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep01-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.129) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 03:46:02 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.14]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20031214034601.WFBS3280.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:46:01 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20031214034601.WFBS3280.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 130.244.199.129 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [219.159.38.141] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 4:46:01 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jitong line, from Hans Schaefer Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 163 There has been some discussion about diesels in Daban, Chabuga etc. People are slowly learning diesel theory. But it takes some time. The first they learn is the different brake valve at the DF4, it being a type JZ-7 insted of the ET-6 at the QJ. But real training in diesel theory is only done to drivers who just now have no engine, for example because it is in the works. The DF4 in Chabuga are primairlyt used for crew training, i.e. for crews who already learnt the theory. Daban people report they know nothing of any immediate arrival of diesels. But all agree that steam has only two years left, and end of 2005 is end of steam. They are now withdrawing engines with boilers more than 20 years old. 6125 was just withdrawn these days. 6110 is still working. For visiting the shed: Mr Sao Hui (or Sahou Hui?) is replacing HeLiWen. Fee is 200 as ever. If you do not speak Chinese, Mr Sao Hui asks Mr XuBin for help. No problems to get into the shed. But (illegal) hard selling of stuff is going on. Buy stuff (number plates etc) from Sao Hui, and it will be legal at least. ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2199-1071396063-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 11:03:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13414 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:03:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBEA1Ag15950 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:01:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2199-1071396063-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 10:01:03 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50343 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 10:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 10:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12408.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.135) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 10:01:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20031214100100.58938.qmail@web12408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.96.3.70] by web12408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:01:00 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c3c1cd$cd5ebba0$724b5351@pandora.be> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.135 From: dave longman X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:01:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Anshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 164 >From experience last year - and I suggest you read Rob's report very carefully - it seems that you are unlikely to gain access into Beitai steelworks. As far as I'm aware only five western gricers have ever gained entry to the interior of the site. You certainly cannot see the slag tipping from the 'public access' parts of Beitai. I agree with Peter et al - go to Baotou for slag tipping. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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It has certainly helped a lot. Indeed, Baotou seems the most interesting option, but I'll have to save it for a next trip because it's too far from my sceduled program. It's a shame for Baotau, but I can't change my whole program anymore... Only during the 30th of december and the 31st, I can make some adjustments. Now, I've read the difficulties that Rob had at Beitai. This, I keep in mind but if I go with a guide and Benxi being in the immediate neighbourhood, this seems a reasonable way of doing it. If Beitai turns out to be impossible (par exemple: if the guide is trying to skip out), I will suggest clearly to go to Benxi. I'll make this clear in advance (that means today, when I'm writing my mail to make the arrangements). It's better to have no pictures of a slag tipping area then no pictures at all because of us being arrested at Beitai. David, how did you get in? As Dick used mrs Sun her services, maybe I can use liaoning steam corporation or CITS? Or: I can use mrs. Sun her services but insist that the guide stays with us all day. Regards, Dave p.s.: I hope, I don't bother the rest of the group too much with all my questions? ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave longman" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Anshan > From experience last year - and I suggest you read Rob's report very carefully - it seems that you are unlikely to gain access into Beitai steelworks. As far as I'm aware only five western gricers have ever gained entry to the interior of the site. You certainly cannot see the slag tipping from the 'public access' parts of Beitai. I agree with Peter et al - go to Baotou for slag tipping. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2201-1071400818-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 12:33:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17026 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:33:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBEBKQg21211 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:20:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2201-1071400818-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 11:20:20 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90746 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 11:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 11:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.129) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 11:20:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031214112018.28179.qmail@web12402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.96.3.70] by web12402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:20:18 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c3c22c$a317c760$724b5351@pandora.be> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.129 From: dave longman X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:20:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Beitai Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 166 Dave I used the services of Mrs Deng through Mrs Sun's Liaoning Travel Bureau ....... and it was me who recommended her to Rob Dickinson!! However we are still friends!! As no other visitors have reported entering Beitai I do not know if she is still able to visit or not. There was report on this site (or maybe qj-country that the management had said there were to be no more visitors but whether this is fact or legend I do not know. With regard to the visit to Xuanhau - who will be your guide? Also who will be the guide for Peter Patt as I would also like to visit here on maybe 1st or 2nd January David Longman --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2202-1071405784-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 13:49:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19905 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:49:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBEChAg26524 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:43:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2202-1071405784-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 12:43:04 -0000 X-Sender: habraken.dave@yucom.be X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74819 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 12:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 12:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elpis.telenet-ops.be) (195.130.132.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 12:43:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (adicia.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.56]) by elpis.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id D582737FC8 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:43:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from z3t6q6 (d51534B72.kabel.telenet.be [81.83.75.114]) by adicia.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id A98B737EBE for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:43:00 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002301c3c23f$8147cb40$724b5351@pandora.be> To: References: <20031214112018.28179.qmail@web12402.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.130.132.40 From: "Dave Habraken" X-Yahoo-Profile: dave_habraken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:40:50 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Xuanhua Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 167 Hi David; I will go to Xuanhua with Globesteam so I don't have any clue who will be the guide. This is a question for Peter Patt I guess. What is your itinerairy in china? Maybe, we meet each other over there :-)) Have a nice trip, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave longman" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Beitai > Dave > > I used the services of Mrs Deng through Mrs Sun's Liaoning Travel Bureau ....... and it was me who recommended her to Rob Dickinson!! However we are still friends!! As no other visitors have reported entering Beitai I do not know if she is still able to visit or not. There was report on this site (or maybe qj-country that the management had said there were to be no more visitors but whether this is fact or legend I do not know. > > With regard to the visit to Xuanhau - who will be your guide? Also who will be the guide for Peter Patt as I would also like to visit here on maybe 1st or 2nd January > > David Longman > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2203-1071430417-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 20:38:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11014 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:38:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBEJXig22799 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:33:45 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2203-1071430417-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2003 19:33:37 -0000 X-Sender: ronburk@dotnet.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50682 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 19:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2003 19:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamburg.dotnet.com) (216.127.196.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 19:33:34 -0000 Received: from ppp-322.max1.fdl.dyn.dotnet.com ([216.127.195.68] helo=ronkathy453) by hamburg.dotnet.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AVbzW-00034I-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:33:23 -0600 Message-ID: <001301c3c279$926cefb0$44c37fd8@ronkathy453> To: References: <20031214100100.58938.qmail@web12408.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c3c22c$a317c760$724b5351@pandora.be> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.127.196.18 From: "Ron Burkhard" X-Yahoo-Profile: cbq4002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:36:28 -0600 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Beitai Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 168 Our group used Mrs. Sun in both 2001 and 2002, and will be using her again in 2004. We had no problem, (obviously) at Bataou in visiting the slag dump. Very neat pictures, although weather and smog worked against us. If you can get to Bataou, I highly recommend it. Safety first. Ron Burkhard ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Habraken To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:25 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Beitai Hello once again; First of all: thanks to all of you who sent me mails via this list or privately. It has certainly helped a lot. Indeed, Baotou seems the most interesting option, but I'll have to save it for a next trip because it's too far from my sceduled program. It's a shame for Baotau, but I can't change my whole program anymore... Only during the 30th of december and the 31st, I can make some adjustments. Now, I've read the difficulties that Rob had at Beitai. This, I keep in mind but if I go with a guide and Benxi being in the immediate neighbourhood, this seems a reasonable way of doing it. If Beitai turns out to be impossible (par exemple: if the guide is trying to skip out), I will suggest clearly to go to Benxi. I'll make this clear in advance (that means today, when I'm writing my mail to make the arrangements). It's better to have no pictures of a slag tipping area then no pictures at all because of us being arrested at Beitai. David, how did you get in? As Dick used mrs Sun her services, maybe I can use liaoning steam corporation or CITS? Or: I can use mrs. Sun her services but insist that the guide stays with us all day. Regards, Dave p.s.: I hope, I don't bother the rest of the group too much with all my questions? ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave longman" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Anshan > From experience last year - and I suggest you read Rob's report very carefully - it seems that you are unlikely to gain access into Beitai steelworks. As far as I'm aware only five western gricers have ever gained entry to the interior of the site. You certainly cannot see the slag tipping from the 'public access' parts of Beitai. I agree with Peter et al - go to Baotou for slag tipping. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2204-1071504934-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 17:20:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25702 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:20:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBFGFlg06778 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:15:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2204-1071504934-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 16:15:34 -0000 X-Sender: iejiej@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5968 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 16:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21403.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.232.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:15:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215161531.91921.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.2.135.183] by web21403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:15:31 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.232.73 From: ian juden X-Yahoo-Profile: iejiej MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:15:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway Timetable - members' views sought Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 169 i have just used the ticket request form from your timetable on a visit to china. may i suggest that the chinese characters be made larger than the english text, or printed in bold. ticket clerks took an eternity reading all the info, and comparing the english to chinese wording. as to page size i think a4 is ok. most people i bumped in to out there had done the same as me - brought copies of the sheets covering their pre-planned itineraries only. --- Duncan Peattie wrote: > I am interested in obtaining opinions on an A5 > format version of my Chinese Railway Timetable, to > assist in planning for the next (April 2004) > edition. > > To date I have published the timetable in A4 format > as I have not had the capability to do otherwise. > Whilst clear to read this makes the timetable larger > than ideal for travelling. > > I have now produced, as an experiment, copies of the > latest (October 2002) timetable in A5 format. The > content of the timetable is identical; only the page > size (and perforce the type size) has been reduced. > In some cases the type size is smaller than I would > prefer, but the advantage of convenience may > outweigh this. > > I have posted a small (38kb) .pdf file as a sample > of the timetable in A5 format. By printing it (two > A5 pages on one A4 page) you will be able to judge > if the type size is suitable for you. The type size > on each page of the timetable varies in size to make > maximum use of the available space. The sample > shows the range of sizes currently used. > > The timetable remains available in A4 and .pdf > formats. > > Please contact me off list to let me know your > views, or if you have any questions about the A5 > version (or the timetable in general). I always > welcome feedback on any facet of the timetable to > improve future editions. > > With best wishes, > > > Duncan Peattie > > > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > Check out the new EudoraMail at > http://www.eudoramail.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2205-1071507483-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 18:03:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00439 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:03:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBFGwAg11954 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:58:11 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2205-1071507483-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2003 16:58:04 -0000 X-Sender: iejiej@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90662 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2003 16:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21408.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.232.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:58:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20031215165801.61349.qmail@web21408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.2.135.183] by web21408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:58:01 PST To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.232.78 From: ian juden X-Yahoo-Profile: iejiej MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:58:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] dahuichang / pingdingshan / jingpeng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 170 made a further visit on dec 14. went to the west end of guchenglu subway stn on south side as suggested in ameling algra's e-mail. there an enterprising mini-bus driver took me to dahuichang for only 40 yuan by going through the steelworks security perimeter on one side, and out the other. this allowed good views of the diesels shunting and the slag tipping. on this day trains every 15 mins, except when the tippler was giving trouble. about 15 other gricers present, including a minibus load on their way to north korea. pds - dec 10, 11 and 12. each day 5 or 6 deflectored qj noted at shed in steam, but with little work. these are presumably from off the main east to west system, but now serviced there. deflectorless qj operating on system interchangeably with js (as previously reported) on sun dec 7 there were 7 mini-buses and between 30 and 40 gricers at brickworks viaduct to photograph the same train. this gives an idea of how congested the place has become. although the queen, the pope, and george bush were notable by their absence, i was adamantly assured by one of the tour operators that they were up at tunnel 4 for the glint shot. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2206-1071537426-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 02:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03960 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:19:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBG1HDg22606 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:17:13 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2206-1071537426-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 01:17:06 -0000 X-Sender: andy@hunterimagebank.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23211 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 01:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 01:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO proxy.syd) (203.23.236.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:17:04 -0000 Received: from hib ([203.23.239.236]) by proxy.syd (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBG1H1p35149 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:17:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andy@hunterimagebank.com.au) Message-ID: <000f01c3c372$82d21540$ecef17cb@hib> To: References: <20031215165801.61349.qmail@web21408.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.23.236.66 From: "Andy Warren" X-Yahoo-Profile: andywarr2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:18:26 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jitong @tuunnel 4 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 171 Ian, I was at tunnel 4 and I didn't see them! Just returned from China after a 3 week bash on the Jitong. This was my 1st trip over there and I am still on cloud nine. All I can say is 'FANTASTIC' ! We were blessed with perfect weather for virtually the whole trip, plenty of trains, freezing, snowy and sunny ( on the whole the wind was very kind to us ) - I couldn't have asked for any more. My travelling companion and I must have been pretty lucky as we seemed to miss most of the groups you mention, we knew of the large Steam and Safaris group and planned our itinery to avoid them where possible, we were successfull for all but two or three meetings with or a couple from that group. We did meet several other gricers from various o/seas locals and generally banter was very good natured. We were at Chabuga on the 1st Dec and saw no sign of the diesels, later we met up with Hans and Ron at Reshui who were involved with the Jitong Official Tour. It was great to meet up with some of the faces behind the names associated with this group. If any members require info from our trip I would be happy to help. Andy Warren ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2207-1071566059-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 10:20:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03591 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:17:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBG9ESg28252 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:14:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2207-1071566059-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 09:14:20 -0000 X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74169 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 09:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 09:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.245.166) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 09:14:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:14:17 -0800 Received: from 219.159.43.111 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:14:17 GMT X-Originating-Email: [awbeard@hotmail.com] X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 09:14:17.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB383400:01C3C3B4] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.245.166 From: "alan walter beard" X-Originating-IP: [219.159.43.111] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:14:17 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Dahuichang / Tiefa / Ji-Tong Rlwy Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 172 >From: ian juden Greetings Ian Good to read your ace sense of humour again! Like you, Dick and I are having a good China trip Dahuichang : Operations on 5.12 started at 13:30, first train at 14:00. This appears to be the current 'norm' unless anyone would care to elaborate further Tiefa: Continues 100% steam. SY 0063 super-shine, recently ex-works. All locos in good external condition, some especially so. JS 5029 in traffic too, considerably cleaner than when I saw it oou in Feb. Traffic patterns as previously. Snow fell 5.12. Great stuff the following two days Ji-Tong: Cleanest locos being used east of Daban for the mostpart. Chabuga QJ very smart. Although 5 DF4 are at Zhelimu (plus type trainer DF4D 4054) only one seems to be in daily use at the moment so no shortage of QJ turns between Chabuga and Zhelimu. Traffic levels very much "normal". As this is written often more westbound trains over Jinpeng 'pass' than eastbound. New arrivals QJ 6808 and 7030 both in traffic. Daban 'reserve' quite changed since February Wind and driving snow at Reshui today 16.12, but otherwise a good spell of weather Best wishes to all Alan Beard _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2208-1071592528-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 17:42:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08340 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:42:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBGGZZg17177 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:35:36 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2208-1071592528-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 16:35:29 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81232 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 16:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 16:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 16:35:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 16:34:56 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: ltcerny@erols.com X-Originating-IP: 66.44.0.89 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:34:52 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Possible location of undiscovered steam line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 173 Hello all, On my August 2003 "New Discoveries" trip, when I found Nanpiao, there was another possibility I wanted to check out but did not have time. This is at Beipiao (Quail map page 3). The Quail map shows a line northeast to Sanbao, but a local map showed, in addition to the Sanbao line, a line about 40km long heading roughly straight north out of Beipiao. Another local map showed a line heading northwest from Beipiao through the town of Dongguanyingzi and then curving off the the north and then east, also about 40km long. It is possible that these are two mapmakers'interpretation of the same line. These lines shown on local maps in Liaoning province but not on the Quail map seem to be prime candidates for new steam discoveries. Does anyone know anything about this line or lines? If not, would someone be able to take a look? Louis Cerny To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2208-1071592528-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 17:42:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08340 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:42:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBGGZZg17177 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:35:36 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2208-1071592528-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 16:35:29 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81232 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 16:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 16:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 16:35:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 16:34:56 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: ltcerny@erols.com X-Originating-IP: 66.44.0.89 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:34:52 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Possible location of undiscovered steam line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 174 Hello all, On my August 2003 "New Discoveries" trip, when I found Nanpiao, there was another possibility I wanted to check out but did not have time. This is at Beipiao (Quail map page 3). The Quail map shows a line northeast to Sanbao, but a local map showed, in addition to the Sanbao line, a line about 40km long heading roughly straight north out of Beipiao. Another local map showed a line heading northwest from Beipiao through the town of Dongguanyingzi and then curving off the the north and then east, also about 40km long. It is possible that these are two mapmakers'interpretation of the same line. These lines shown on local maps in Liaoning province but not on the Quail map seem to be prime candidates for new steam discoveries. Does anyone know anything about this line or lines? If not, would someone be able to take a look? Louis Cerny To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2209-1071650576-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 09:53:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12563 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:53:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBH8h2g05420 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:43:03 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2209-1071650576-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2003 08:42:56 -0000 X-Sender: Roger.BLUNDELL@networkrail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40482 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 08:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2003 08:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO esw3.rail.co.uk) (192.12.43.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 08:42:54 -0000 Received: from rshq-sr1-b02.railtrack.co.uk (unverified) by esw3.rail.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.11) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:43:08 +0000 Received: by rshq-sr1-b02.railtrack.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:42:53 -0000 Message-ID: <7E5B0F48C2B4D411B02E00508BAF89A51887BD@rsea-eah-m01.railtrack.co.uk> To: "'Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com'" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.12.43.28 From: Blundell Roger X-Yahoo-Profile: roger_blundell MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:42:49 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] RE:BEIPIAO Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 175 Hello Louis & everybody This system could well be worth investigation. Some years back an SY passenger service was operating at Beipiao but I have not seen any recent reports. Roger Blundell -----Original Message----- From: ltcerny@erols.com [mailto:ltcerny@erols.com] Sent: 16 December 2003 16:35 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Steam_in_China] Possible location of undiscovered steam line Hello all, On my August 2003 "New Discoveries" trip, when I found Nanpiao, there was another possibility I wanted to check out but did not have time. This is at Beipiao (Quail map page 3). The Quail map shows a line northeast to Sanbao, but a local map showed, in addition to the Sanbao line, a line about 40km long heading roughly straight north out of Beipiao. Another local map showed a line heading northwest from Beipiao through the town of Dongguanyingzi and then curving off the the north and then east, also about 40km long. It is possible that these are two mapmakers'interpretation of the same line. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2210-1071752968-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 14:25:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08935 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:25:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBID9ag31465 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:09:36 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2210-1071752968-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 13:09:29 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91141 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 13:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 13:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep02-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.130) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 13:09:27 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.15]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20031218130926.NQAF3162.fep02-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:09:26 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20031218130926.NQAF3162.fep02-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 130.244.199.130 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [193.217.194.235] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:09:26 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Guide Tina from Chifeng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 176 HI all. If you have used Tina from Chifeng before, she is now at Chifeng CYTS, not CITS. I am otherwise updating the Jitong webpages on my site during these days. A tourist at the Jingpeng pass gave me a photo of the Jingpeng mafia boss Mr Liu Shu Shan, thus I now have all of them, soon to appear on my web site. I only miss the english speaking lady they use. Any photo of her would be appreciated. I will have a few new phone numbers of good taxi drivers at Reshui and Daban. Mrs Sun Xiaolan from Shenyang (famous guide) will also soon have a new email address. Hans Schaefer ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2211-1071763710-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 17:14:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00430 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:14:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBIGB3g24009 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:11:03 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2211-1071763710-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 16:08:32 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85616 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 16:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 16:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 16:08:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 1043 invoked by uid 65534); 18 Dec 2003 16:08:27 -0000 Received: from p62.246.179.220.tisdip.tiscali.de (EHLO peter) (62.246.179.220) by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 17:08:27 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3FE1DEEE.18454.2883A4@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1071476420.249.88236.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:07:58 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Xunhua Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 177 Dave + Dave, I am always using Zhang Xin Zheng from CITS Changchun to organize my trips. Very reliable + experienced. Although: since he climbed up the ranks he never leaves the office now... But all other guides, doing the "dirty" work with the groups, deliver excellent work as well. Best regards, Peter To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2212-1071779368-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 21:46:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23497 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:46:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBIKTZg17514 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:35 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2212-1071779368-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2003 20:29:29 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46767 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 20:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 20:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.147) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 20:29:26 -0000 Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031218202924.LZQO12454.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:29:24 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.174.58]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031218202923.MEER12184.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:29:23 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3FE1DEEE.18454.2883A4@localhost> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.147 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:29:26 +1300 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Re: Xunhua; Beipiao Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 178 I must agree with Peter Patt. I always use Zhang Xin Sheng (note spelling). I had the pleasure of having him and his boss, in my home here last year and I have been his guest in Changchun also. As he lived and studied in the USA for several years he understands perfectly precisely what motivates us, and he delivers accordingly. He is not expensive as I always have at least 4 in my group. He has a reliable network. This weekend he is investigating Louis Cerny's Beipiao North line(s) report for me. Zhangs email is citsjlp@public.cc.jl.cn He also has a hotmail address which I can supply off-line if you are unable to get through on the CITS address. Merry Xmas to all, John Agnew To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2213-1071857257-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 19:08:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22938 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:08:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBJI7ig13040 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:07:45 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2213-1071857257-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 18:07:38 -0000 X-Sender: prof_steam@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96204 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 18:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 18:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20811.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.216) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 18:07:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20031219180734.5791.qmail@web20811.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.186.59.23] by web20811.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:07:34 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.226.216 From: Prof_Steam X-Yahoo-Profile: prof_steam MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:07:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Re: Xunhua; Beipiao Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 179 I agree with John, Mr. Zhang of Jilin CITS will do a good job of making arrangements for a rail visit. I have been using him for over 10 years for railfan and and tourism visits to China. Ron Amberger --- John Agnew wrote: > I must agree with Peter Patt. I always use Zhang Xin > Sheng (note spelling). > I had the pleasure of having him and his boss, in my > home here last year and > I have been his guest in Changchun also. > As he lived and studied in the USA for several years > he understands > perfectly precisely what motivates us, and he > delivers accordingly. > He is not expensive as I always have at least 4 in > my group. He has a > reliable network. > This weekend he is investigating Louis Cerny's > Beipiao North line(s) report > for me. > Zhangs email is > > citsjlp@public.cc.jl.cn > He also has a hotmail address which I can supply > off-line if you are unable > to get through on the CITS address. > Merry Xmas to all, John Agnew > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2214-1071866979-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 21:53:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03765 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:53:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBJKnkg27500 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:49:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2214-1071866979-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2003 20:49:39 -0000 X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69254 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 20:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2003 20:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.245.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 20:49:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:49:36 -0800 Received: from 81.133.165.173 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:49:36 GMT X-Originating-Email: [awbeard@hotmail.com] X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2003 20:49:36.0455 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D065D70:01C3C671] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.245.66 From: "alan walter beard" X-Originating-IP: [81.133.165.173] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:49:36 +0000 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Chabuga Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 180 Thanks Duncan I can add DF4 0658 to the list. Dick and I also saw another DF4 06xx storming away to Chabuga from Zhelimu on freight (passenger remains booked QJ). Providing that China Rail do not 'swap' the loaned/leased locos every now and then, this accounts for the 5 diesels Anyone disagree? We also saw Baiqi's DF4D 4054 at Zhelimu, assumed to be there as a type trainer Guess Ji-Tong will dieselise using a mix of DF4(B) and DF4D? Best wishes, good phot-ing Alan ======================================================= >From: duncs.mobile@virgin.net >Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chabuga >Date: 07 Dec 2003 14:11:24 GMT > >Message from +447970029096 Duncan Cotterill > >The diesels have arrived - early DF4 - 0444, 0544, 0549 seen today. Only >working to Zhelimu - Chabuga to Daban all steam! > > >Regards, > >Duncan > >To reply, e-mail: duncs.mobile@virgin.net >NOTE I will only receive the first 150 characters of any message so keep it >short please! > >Thank you for using the M-Mail service from Connectotel Ltd > >For more information about M-Mail and SMS-based software >solutions and number hosting please visit >http://www.connectotel.com/sms > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2215-1071879211-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 01:18:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13744 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:18:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBK0Deg11164 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:13:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2215-1071879211-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 00:13:34 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96403 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 00:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:13:32 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HQ63AG00.0RW for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:13:28 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2462f215cc.215cc2462f@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:13:28 +1100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Guides Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 181 I can vouch for Zhang, as I used him on my first trip to CHina in 2001, however, being my first trip & being inexpereinced with what was and is and should be available, I realise now that I had a bum guide supplied by Zhang. This cuide Zhang Lan Dao was a nice enough person, had a reasonable grasp of english, But & here's the crux of it BUT, he did not put himself out in any way, no night photo's, no schedules (can not get them as Jitong do not release that information) in the hotel by dark, & the list could go on. Howver the worst was the way in which he coaxed paople into giving there email addresses under the guise of friendahsip, but then going about trying to take clents away from ZXS. This chucks any form of ethic away, & certainly is something I don't agree with> I have recieved emails from him, and have ignore them, he even was soliciting me to contact another member of the group as he had not responded to his approaches. Thanfully Zhang has put this person off his staff, but he is still trying to get into the scene. THis last trip just completed, I initially had ZXS give some quotes, but found his prices in the high region, but he certainly was prepared to negotiate. In the end we (Andy Warren & myslef) went with Jun from Chengde. WHile Jun himself was guiding an AMerican couple we met up with him in Reshui. The guide he used for us was a person caleed Allan, who is used frequently by Jun as the alternative guide to himself. On meeting up with Jun he gave us a set of his photo's (4 pack postcards) which certainly highlighted his ability and interest in steam. THis trip with a guide certainly was a complete reversal of my previous trip as nothing we rquested was denied to us. On the trip I also met Tina, who came over as a very compentent guide as well. Summing all of this up, I can vouch for the abilities of both ZXS & Jun. As for ZXS his organisational skills was spot on, but was let down by a guide that should not have been used. This was/is no reflection against ZXS, except maybe he should have noticed things earlier. For Jun & Allan if anyone wanted to use them, then I would have no hesitation of reccomending them to anyone who was looking for a guide as they went out of their way to make our trip a very succesfull one. For my next trip I am hoping to go without a guide, as the extra costs are very high. One thing I do find a bit overboard in the price for using a guide, especially for a small party of say up 6 people is the double cost of using a guide as well as a driver. I think this really must put a lot onto the cost of the trip owing to the fact that you pay for, the food, accomadation etc. for someone who can be dispensed with. I personally think that there is no real reason why the guide cannot drive the vehicle as well as guiding. For the larger groups this may not be really practible, but its something that is worth considering. All bar two, of the groups I saw from small, to the large groups, & individuals had both guide & driver, of the two without both, one had a mini van, and the other used the taxi from Linxi. Two trips gone, at least two more too go, before the death comes, I look forward to the June trip with Peter Patt & an earlier one with a couple of free rangers. RE my noites regarding the cold at Reshui etc. My chief reason for giving out this advice, was how I found it compared to the last trip which was a bit later, but was warmer. Also the fact of the bloke who was unprepared with his clothing for the cold. I found the worst part of the cold was when you walked you DID sweat underneath, & the danger of chill came in. On the day we left the weather was a bit warmer, but in the main it was always (day & night) well below zero. Being equipped for both climates can be a bit easier when you prepare for the cold. By making sure you have the clothes to be able to put on when the weather is freezing, and the ability to strip off a bit when its warmer is better than only being prepared for the warmer weather, not only that but, its more same. As a postscript, the cold caused 2 of the plastic holding clips for one of my Velbon tripos to snap off. One the last morning at the pass, my vidoe died on me completely. Would not power on or anything, it is now in the workshops for an overhaul, maybe its time that is consigned to the scrap heap, & a new one to replace it. It is a sad reflection on a Mini DV camera that is just 30 months old & has been repaired 4 times in less than 2 years. Maybe, the new one will not be a Panasonic, even though the video is great when it works. Panasonic is trying to blame the cold, as the cause of the problem, yet others have had no problem with the same model, & I have had as trouble with it in the Australian climate as in the depths of Inner Mongolia. For those travelling to China, have a great trip, and for everyone in the group a Blessed Christmas and New Year. I hope to have a reasonable overview report done shortly after Christmas. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2216-1071913524-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 10:49:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08815 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:48:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBK9jUg16851 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:45:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2216-1071913524-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2003 09:45:24 -0000 X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11730 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 09:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2003 09:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.245.27) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 09:45:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:45:23 -0800 Received: from 81.133.165.173 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:45:23 GMT X-Originating-Email: [awbeard@hotmail.com] X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2003 09:45:23.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD372EB0:01C3C6DD] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.245.27 From: "alan walter beard" X-Originating-IP: [81.133.165.173] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:45:23 +0000 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] RE:BEIPIAO Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 182 As you say, Roger, an interesting system with good potential But, in the glory days when QJ's dominated the main line foreign visitors were most unwelcome at this promising indutrial system Perhaps the mood has changed? Here's hoping so! Please let us know how you get on Best wishes Alan =========================================================== >From: Blundell Roger >Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >To: "'Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com'" >Subject: [Steam_in_China] RE:BEIPIAO >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:42:49 -0000 > >Hello Louis & everybody > >This system could well be worth investigation. > >Some years back an SY passenger service was operating at Beipiao but I have >not seen any recent reports. > >Roger Blundell > >-----Original Message----- >From: ltcerny@erols.com [mailto:ltcerny@erols.com] >Sent: 16 December 2003 16:35 >To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Steam_in_China] Possible location of undiscovered steam line > > >Hello all, > >On my August 2003 "New Discoveries" trip, when I found Nanpiao, >there was another possibility I wanted to check out but did not have >time. This is at Beipiao (Quail map page 3). The Quail map shows a >line northeast to Sanbao, but a local map showed, in addition to the >Sanbao line, a line about 40km long heading roughly straight north >out of Beipiao. Another local map showed a line heading northwest >from Beipiao through the town of Dongguanyingzi and then curving off >the the north and then east, also about 40km long. It is possible >that these are two mapmakers'interpretation of the same line. These >lines shown on local maps in Liaoning province but not on the Quail >map seem to be prime candidates for new steam discoveries. Does >anyone know anything about this line or lines? If not, would someone >be able to take a look? > >Louis Cerny > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2217-1071986317-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 06:58:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04818 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:58:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBL5wjg19494 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:58:46 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2217-1071986317-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2003 05:58:39 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9018 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 05:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2003 05:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 05:58:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2003 05:58:37 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 218.103.205.165 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:58:35 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Pindingshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 183 Photo on Changjiang site of brand new GKD3B 0003 at PDS. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2218-1072082893-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 09:52:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26509 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:52:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBM8mKg12393 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:48:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2218-1072082893-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 08:48:13 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24312 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 08:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 08:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 08:48:11 -0000 Received: from DavidHuntbatch@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.128.37fe5597 (17526) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:48:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <128.37fe5597.2d1809c8@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: DavidHuntbatch@AOL.com X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:48:08 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 184 Talking about guides, is the Zhang that Colin is referring to the same from from Changchun that Bill Albrough has been using for years? If so then he is very good. What model Panasonic Mini DV Camcorder are we talking about here? David Huntbatch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2219-1072089061-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 11:37:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13964 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:37:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBMAV8g27533 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:31:14 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2219-1072089061-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 10:31:01 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52104 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 10:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 10:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 10:30:59 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HQAL7K00.9X4 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:30:56 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3251d31adb.31adb3251d@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:30:56 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 185 David >From my memory there used to what was called Zhang 1 & ZHang 2. Both came from Changchun. Zhang 1 is ZXS who is the main organiser, and his skills are second to none. Zhang 2 worked for ZXS, and the skill of this person is at the other end of the scale, he was assigned to me by ZXS in 2001. As I mentioned previously I thought initially he was ok, & as far as a person is concerned he seemed nice enough. The thing was, that he was only prepared to do what HE wanted to do. He relauctantly (very) on one day only)) was prepared to get a schedule for the pass, we flew blind for the other 6 six days there. Dinner was at 1700 EVERY night, & don't ask about going for night shots. He often wondered off during the day leaving me to wait for trains. Our guide last time, Allen from Chengde, is part of Chengde CTS & is the off sider to Xue Jun Liu. The arrangements by Jun, the help given as well as the overall attitude, was exceptional & I can reccomend Jun & Allen at the highest level. Likewise, ZXS from Changchun, when I used him to organise my trip it was great. He rang me at Reshui to see how everything was, & knowing no better I said it was great. This is good for the personal touch that is lacking in many other tourist areas. There is no reflection on ZXS, as he is a very good in the field of guides. ZXS himself advised me that he had put Zhang 2 off because of complaints. His correct name is Zhang Lan Dao, he is operating independently now, & is very close to the Reshui mafia The model of my Panasonic is a NVMX7a. I beleive the NV-GS70A-S replaced it, with the NV-MX500A the next step up. The NVMX7a when it works properly is a great camera, & I would prefer Panasonic to any other brand, even though I've had this trouble with it. If I could get an offer from Panasonic I would have no hesitation in exchanging it for either of the replacement ones especially the 500a as it has 3.megapxl still picture features. Both of these also are 3CCD camera's which the 7a isn't. I saw the 500a in Singapore Airport for SGP$2350.00 & the NV-GS70A-S for sgp$2050.00. Hope this answers the questions Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2220-1072091407-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 12:30:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23328 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:30:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBMBADg01854 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:10:14 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2220-1072091407-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 11:10:07 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9157 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 11:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 11:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 11:10:06 -0000 Received: from DavidHuntbatch@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.81.1ce558e (4184) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:09:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <81.1ce558e.2d182b02@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.5 From: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:09:54 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 186 Thanks for the clarification about the 2 guides. I'm pretty certain that Zhang 1 is the main man at Changchun who Bill Albrough uses. A really nice helpfull guy in his 40's. As something of a Panasonic fan I am always interested in anything negative about their Camcorders as all my experiences have been positive. Currently I use a NVM350 and a DX110 which has done 2 China trips to Reshui in winter without problems for which I am gratefull. Off to China again mid February for another steamy tour. David Huntbatch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2221-1072130810-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 23:47:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06103 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:43:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBMM6vg17785 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:06:57 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2221-1072130810-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 22:06:51 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82273 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 22:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 22:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 22:06:49 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HQBHF900.3E9 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:06:45 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <35d5b2f9ed.2f9ed35d5b@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:06:45 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 187 When I first posted the initial problem with the NV in 2002 I received replies from other members of the group that have the same camera, & they also had, had no problems with them, thus my feeling I have got a lemon. Its no refelction on Panasonic as I like them. While Panasonic are saying that the cold is a problem (the most likely cause of my problem) (quoting the page number in the manual that shows the operating temp))I can remember that at least 2 others live in Europe, and the cameras work fine in the European cold winters, and have no trouble in China. This is something that I have told Panasonic about & when the camera is finally repaired I will again use to support my arguement. If there are any other members of the group who use Panasonic DV camera's especially the NVMX7a who would be prepared to offer me support by saying that their camera works with no problem in the cold when I contact Panasonic, seeking replacement, I would really appreciate it. Especially those in the colder areas of the globe. If you could helpt in this way, please contact me of group, with the heading of Panasonic Thank you all Colin Hussey \ ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2225-1072132524-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 23:51:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07023 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:51:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBMMZVg20523 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:35:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2225-1072132524-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 22:35:25 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4022 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from web4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031222223444.SERH9030.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@web4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:34:44 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.163.70]) by web4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031222223521.OTTE23454.web4-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:35:21 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001801c3c8da$0ce1dba0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.144 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:35:23 +1300 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 188 Sorry our trip was 2001 not 1991. John Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2224-1072131910-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 23:51:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07026 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:51:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBMMPHg19478 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:25:17 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2224-1072131910-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 22:25:11 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24079 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 22:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 22:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 22:25:09 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HQBI9W00.17D for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:25:08 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2f75f30104.301042f75f@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:25:08 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 189 Thanks John Will contact youn soon. I chased around searching for the compatible belt pack as you suggested last time. However, I am now informed that they are no longer available in Aus, I don't know if they have internationally withdrawn or not. I noted that this year in Reshui owing to how cold it was I was only getting around 1/3 of the time out of a fully charged battery, & I also stuffed them down my shirt, made me lively as the battery hit the skin. Colin ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2226-1072132679-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 23:51:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07032 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:51:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBMMc8g20944 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:38:09 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2226-1072132679-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 22:38:01 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53096 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 22:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 22:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.147) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 22:37:57 -0000 Received: from web4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031222223756.MBBO12454.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@web4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:37:56 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.163.70]) by web4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031222223755.OUPY23454.web4-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:37:55 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001801c3c8da$0ce1dba0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.147 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:37:55 +1300 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 190 Sorry Michael, dont understand your comments mate. Li Weishu lives in Canada????? Nobody mentioned him (I think?) Regards John ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2223-1072131737-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 23:51:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07080 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:51:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBMMMPg19264 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:22:25 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2223-1072131737-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 22:22:17 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79402 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 22:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 22:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 22:22:16 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYYRL-000DrA-0X for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:22:15 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c3c8da$0ce1dba0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.217.242.91 From: "mr" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:22:12 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 191 Have you all forgotten that Zhang's boss until 1999 was Weishu Li who now works freelance and is a fully paid up member of the Extreme Steam Team. I have been to China 14 times with Li, who is not only the ex-director of CITS Changchun, but also a good railway photographer and now a native of Toronto. Zhang is a Norwich City - Li is a Manchester United - lets keep things in perspective!! Michael Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Agnew" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:15 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras > Colin, David, et al > Zhang Xin Sheng of course runs the CITS operation at Changchun. > His classmate Zhang Lantao is the dill brain who USED to work for him. > I put in a scathing report to ZXS after our dismal trip with him in 91, and > am pleased to say that he has "departed ". > > Re Panasonic vidcams, I use their 3 chip mini digitals, firstly a DX100, and > now the newer MX500 (Model numbers differ in various countries) > > Because of the strain on external batteries I use Panasonic 3+ hour > Lithium-ion batteries CGR-B/814 under my many layers of clothing and attach > it to the camera with its lead, which I have to watch as it freezes quickly > (-32 at Heibaoshan last trip). They NEVER give up. The battery lead was > configured to go inside the DX's bty compt so I have had Panasonic NZ > reconfigure the camera end to fit onto the rear of the MX and it still works > like a charm. I only attach it to the camera when ready to shoot. I'm sure > your local Panasonic guys can fit you out. You have to remember when you are > shooting from the tripod that you are "Tethered" and not walk away, as I > have done absent mindedly. However the lead pulls you up quickly. > > Incidentally my Canon 35 mm camera gave up in the low temperatures. But > stills on the Digital video compensated for it. > Hope this helps? Contact me off-line if you wish? regards and merry xmas to > all on the list, John Agnew - at the beach in N Z. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2222-1072131416-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 23:56:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07452 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:56:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBMMH2g18755 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:17:02 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2222-1072131416-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2003 22:16:56 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70674 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 22:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 22:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.147) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 22:16:54 -0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031222221507.KQOK12454.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:15:07 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.163.70]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031222221506.XWZW4025.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:15:06 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3251d31adb.31adb3251d@goconnect.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.147 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:15:08 +1300 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 192 Colin, David, et al Zhang Xin Sheng of course runs the CITS operation at Changchun. His classmate Zhang Lantao is the dill brain who USED to work for him. I put in a scathing report to ZXS after our dismal trip with him in 91, and am pleased to say that he has "departed ". Re Panasonic vidcams, I use their 3 chip mini digitals, firstly a DX100, and now the newer MX500 (Model numbers differ in various countries) Because of the strain on external batteries I use Panasonic 3+ hour Lithium-ion batteries CGR-B/814 under my many layers of clothing and attach it to the camera with its lead, which I have to watch as it freezes quickly (-32 at Heibaoshan last trip). They NEVER give up. The battery lead was configured to go inside the DX's bty compt so I have had Panasonic NZ reconfigure the camera end to fit onto the rear of the MX and it still works like a charm. I only attach it to the camera when ready to shoot. I'm sure your local Panasonic guys can fit you out. You have to remember when you are shooting from the tripod that you are "Tethered" and not walk away, as I have done absent mindedly. However the lead pulls you up quickly. Incidentally my Canon 35 mm camera gave up in the low temperatures. But stills on the Digital video compensated for it. Hope this helps? Contact me off-line if you wish? regards and merry xmas to all on the list, John Agnew - at the beach in N Z. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2227-1072138001-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 01:11:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11724 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:11:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBN06mg29004 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:06:48 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2227-1072138001-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 00:06:41 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8022 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 00:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 00:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 00:06:39 -0000 x-filtered: 1 Received: from macace.net[62.53.35.75] by win2003_macace1; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:03:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE786EE.9020302@macace.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <001801c3c8da$0ce1dba0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> In-Reply-To: <001801c3c8da$0ce1dba0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: IAN BOWSKILL <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:06:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 193 Norwich City, Man Utd! Who cares? As long as my guide can get the times and sort out any problems that may arise, I'll sort out the photography myself thanks. Have had one trip, my first, where we were taken to all the usual photspots and ended up getting the same shots as everyone else. Since then I've enjoyed searching some things out for myself along with my colleagues. I'd be telling an untruth if I said I hadn't drawn on the experience of others at times but a guide with expert photographic knowledge is not an essential. Zhang Lantao was my group's guide back in February. 'Laid back' best described his style but he did everything that was asked of him and the trip was a great success. I wouldn't recommend him as a guide for a first time visit to China though. Ian mr wrote: >Have you all forgotten that Zhang's boss until 1999 was Weishu Li who now >works freelance and is a fully paid up member of the Extreme Steam Team. I >have been to China 14 times with Li, who is not only the ex-director of CITS >Changchun, but also a good railway photographer and now a native of Toronto. >Zhang is a Norwich City - Li is a Manchester United - lets keep things in >perspective!! > >Michael Rhodes > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Agnew" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:15 PM >Subject: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras > > > > >>Colin, David, et al >>Zhang Xin Sheng of course runs the CITS operation at Changchun. >>His classmate Zhang Lantao is the dill brain who USED to work for him. >>I put in a scathing report to ZXS after our dismal trip with him in 91, >> >> >and > > >>am pleased to say that he has "departed ". >> >>Re Panasonic vidcams, I use their 3 chip mini digitals, firstly a DX100, >> >> >and > > >>now the newer MX500 (Model numbers differ in various countries) >> >>Because of the strain on external batteries I use Panasonic 3+ hour >>Lithium-ion batteries CGR-B/814 under my many layers of clothing and >> >> >attach > > >>it to the camera with its lead, which I have to watch as it freezes >> >> >quickly > > >>(-32 at Heibaoshan last trip). They NEVER give up. The battery lead was >>configured to go inside the DX's bty compt so I have had Panasonic NZ >>reconfigure the camera end to fit onto the rear of the MX and it still >> >> >works > > >>like a charm. I only attach it to the camera when ready to shoot. I'm sure >>your local Panasonic guys can fit you out. You have to remember when you >> >> >are > > >>shooting from the tripod that you are "Tethered" and not walk away, as I >>have done absent mindedly. However the lead pulls you up quickly. >> >>Incidentally my Canon 35 mm camera gave up in the low temperatures. But >>stills on the Digital video compensated for it. >>Hope this helps? Contact me off-line if you wish? regards and merry xmas >> >> >to > > >>all on the list, John Agnew - at the beach in N Z. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2228-1072169587-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 10:04:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08772 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:04:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.85]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBN8rDg05258 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:53:13 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2228-1072169587-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 08:53:07 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82917 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 08:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 08:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 08:53:06 -0000 Received: from DavidHuntbatch@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.a3.4f042137 (4426) for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 03:52:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: DavidHuntbatch@AOL.com X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 03:52:51 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 194 Here Here Michael Weishu Li is the man when it comes to China. We will join with him again for our 4th trip in February. David Huntbatch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2229-1072169818-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 10:04:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08775 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:04:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBN8v5g06039 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:57:06 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2229-1072169818-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 08:56:58 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49757 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 08:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 08:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 08:56:57 -0000 Received: from DavidHuntbatch@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.f3.343914eb (4426) for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 03:56:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.99 From: DavidHuntbatch@AOL.com X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 03:56:45 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 195 At one stage I too had a battery belt with lead which promised hours of camcorder time. Unfortunately one time I did walk away in excitement to view the going away shot, pulled the tripod over and smashed the Camcorder! Since then I have stuck to a succession of 3 hour batteries kept warm in my jacket. David Huntbatch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2230-1072172030-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 10:34:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12621 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:34:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id hBN9Xvk21497 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:33:58 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2230-1072172030-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 09:33:51 -0000 X-Sender: timarnot@hotkey.net.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9248 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 09:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 09:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO duckula.hotkey.net.au) (202.138.0.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 09:33:49 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (207.040.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au [211.26.163.207]) by duckula.hotkey.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBN9Xuj20993 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:33:56 +1100 Message-ID: <3FE80CA7.9000909@hotkey.net.au> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 202.138.0.111 From: Tim Arnot X-Yahoo-Profile: timarnot_aus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:36:39 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 196 Hi David, I've been there and done that too. Whole new words were invented on the spot! The faithful Sony VX1000 has endured 4 trips to China in winter (the first was early Jan 1999 with temps well below -30 degrees) and the batteries lasted only 10 to 15 minutes in the camera. Replaced with a "warm" battery from next to my heart (!) they then recovered once warm again. I got frostbite from that trip taking off gloves to change batteries :-( I came to grief in South Africa though in 2003, when camera did the nose dive into the ground as I forgot that I had the headphones plugged in. Gaffer tape repaired the worst of the (apparent) damage. One problem was a duff tape and then the tripod mount became detached as a result of the events of the previous paragraph. Six months in the repair shop resulted from all this. What is fairly concerning is that, whilst the obvious things were fixed with little drama, there was an underlying problem as well, which took some sorting but was fixed eventually. There was evidence of considerable corrosion of electronic components on the main board of the camera. I can recall no instances of the camera getting wet, other than one or two VERY short exposures to rain in Australia. Repairs cost $A1850! One possibility (unprovable as it is) may well be the effects of extreme climate changes. During the day the camera cools to the ambient temperature and seems to function OK subject to battery life limitations, however at the end of the day the poor thing is brough inside from sub zero temperature to room temperature. I NEVER open the camera bag until morning to allow the camera to adjust to room temperature slowly, thus avoiding condensation followed by instant frost as the camera body is well below zero. (BTW - you should NOT access your camera gear in your nice warm bus for the same reasons. Do what you have to do out in the cold, like change tapes, batteries etc). However, even these simple precautions may not be enough over a period of time, which is a bit of a worry and MAY help to explain Col's problem with his camera - assuming that he has made a number of winter trips to China. Also be aware that it is not only use mortal beings that are subject to wind chill factor. Our cameras and tripods are affected as well, evidence is the Manfrotto pseudo fluid head tripod literally "freezing up" in temperatures below about -25 or so. I've recently had strife with the same long suffering tripod in +42 degrees C when any evidence of the nice slow fluid operation was lost completely. My next China trip is early Feb 2004 and I will have two Sony cameras this time, with the addition of a new VX2000e. This camera has the battery clipped onto the back of the camera, where the VX1000 has the battery inside the camera body. I'm going to make a small protective "sock" for the camera back to try and stop the battery dying too quickly. If I get really inspired I might make a blanket for both cameras to delay the wind chill effect a minute or two (hopeully more!). Sound is another drama with the everpresent wind as well as the rattle of Gortex clothing, feet crunchign in the snow and one's heavy breathing :-)) This can largely be solved by placing a separate stereo microphone in a small wind baffled container - it's a $A35 pet carrier actually - with a 3 metre cable to plug into the camera. So long as the mike is suspended in rubber mounts and completely isolated from the container that acts as the wind shield, then good results in all but the most extreme situations (ie the wind blows the mike over!) can be achieved. And to think we do this for fun!?!?! Cheers TIm Arnot Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2231-1072174598-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 11:32:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21207 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:32:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBNAGog16431 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:17:09 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2231-1072174598-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 10:16:38 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78947 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 10:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 10:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 10:16:37 -0000 Received: from DavidHuntbatch@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.88.e1aaf (4206) for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 05:16:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <88.e1aaf.2d197000@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 From: DavidHuntbatch@AOL.com X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 05:16:32 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 197 Interesting comments from Tim about efforts to protect camcorders in extreme conditions. Much good advice here born from tough experiences. Slowly acclimatising the camera to ambient conditions does help considerably. Fortunately China in winter is dry and so generally the cameras don't go into hibernate mode with the dew sensor on. I like the idea of the pet carrier for the microphone though as sound is as equally important as the picture when videoing steam locomotives in action and wind is the enemy at Reshui. Minus 20 and blowing is an experience not easily forgotten and one which my frost bitten fingers well remember from March 1998. A snow storm and rough weather can occur at any time from October to April in Reshui. David Huntbatch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2232-1072199843-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 18:21:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05541 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:21:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBNHHTg08795 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:17:29 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2232-1072199843-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 17:17:23 -0000 X-Sender: johnmday@telus.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93731 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 17:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 17:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 17:17:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 17:16:41 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "John Day" X-Originating-IP: 154.5.167.28 X-Yahoo-Profile: trolleyjolly MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:16:40 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 198 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, DavidHuntbatch@A... wrote: > Here Here Michael Weishu Li is the man when it comes to China. We will join > with him again for our 4th trip in February. > Couldn't agree more! Courtesy, charm, consideration, comfort (relative!) - and an accomplished photographer - at a very competitive price...what more could you want. Okay, it costs more than if you're self-propelled but as I get one holiday a year and China is IT, it's nice to have someone else dealing with the hassles on your behalf....and telling you that the half hour hike up such-and- such a mountain will indeed be rewarded as the sun will be just-so between 0900 and 1000 and the train from Jingpeng will arrive there right around 0925..... JD Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2233-1072205903-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 20:03:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12462 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:03:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBNIwUg19295 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:58:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2233-1072205903-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2003 18:58:24 -0000 X-Sender: prof_steam@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91510 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 18:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 18:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20803.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.192) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 18:58:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20031223185822.80714.qmail@web20803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.186.59.23] by web20803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:58:21 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <81.1ce558e.2d182b02@aol.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.226.192 From: Prof_Steam X-Yahoo-Profile: prof_steam MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:58:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 199 I have been using a Panasonic AG_EZ-20 for a few years with good results. The cold in the China winter did have it groaning at times but it did keep on going in spite of the cold. I have been using a lead-acid battery that I bought that can go for hours and hours in the cold. rfa --- DavidHuntbatch@AOL.com wrote: > Thanks for the clarification about the 2 guides. I'm > pretty certain that > Zhang 1 is the main man at Changchun who Bill > Albrough uses. A really nice > helpfull guy in his 40's. > As something of a Panasonic fan I am always > interested in anything negative > about their Camcorders as all my experiences have > been positive. Currently I > use a NVM350 and a DX110 which has done 2 China > trips to Reshui in winter > without problems for which I am gratefull. > Off to China again mid February for another steamy > tour. > > David Huntbatch > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2234-1072227549-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 02:02:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05329 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:02:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBO0xFg21645 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:59:16 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2234-1072227549-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 00:59:09 -0000 X-Sender: tgears1@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45534 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 00:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 00:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 00:59:08 -0000 Received: from TOM (pcp04967620pcs.limstn01.de.comcast.net[68.54.179.148]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003122400590701600rknche>; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:59:07 +0000 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20031210125731.99991.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: "Thomas Gears" X-Yahoo-Profile: equiferro MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:31:42 -0500 Subject: [Steam_in_China] First Visit to China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 200 I am visiting China from the US in the spring. I need to know if I need to get immunizations before visiting? Also how about getting a visa. Does anyone have a website with this type of information? Thanks, Tom Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Yes you need a visa, here is the one I used Zierer Visa Service WWW.ZVZ.COM or call 1866-788-1100. And yes you should call Doctor and ask him what you need in the way of immunizations shots, or try the Center for Diseases Control, [the CDC] there is a Web site for the CDC look in phone book under Federal government or try your Congressman's site; may times they have links, hope this helps. Good luck and have fun on your trip. Bob Todten ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Gears" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] First Visit to China > I am visiting China from the US in the spring. I need to know if I need to > get immunizations before visiting? Also how about getting a visa. Does > anyone have a website with this type of information? > > Thanks, > > Tom > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2237-1072246559-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 07:17:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19057 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:17:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBO6G5g10992 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:16:06 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2237-1072246559-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 06:15:59 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36550 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 06:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 06:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 06:15:58 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HQDYQK00.0LF for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:15:56 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4218443b97.43b9742184@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:15:56 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Guides and Digital Video cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 203 Wow! how this post has gone, & debate has been good. I thank everyone for their replies. My point regarding Zhang LanTao was well justified by John Agnew's reply & even that from Ian Bowskill. To say Zhang Lantao is laid ack is an understatement. I thought we Aussie's had that title wrapped up, but Lantao would go to the head of the class. Compared to when I had him in 2001 to when Ian had him, he may well have picked up his act, but I rest on what I said as you rightly point out ""I wouldn't recommend him as a guide for a first time visit to China though"" I beleive there are excellent guides in China for all who want one, like Weishu Li, Tina, Mike Ma, ZXS, & Jun & Allan. So there are are many too choose from. Lantao would be the very last on my list as a guide (personality aside) & that's if I put him on a list. Tim has given good advice re the moisture side of things, the only moisture we had was on 2 days of light snow, but I had the battery down my shirt. & a cover over the video. Coming back to the hotel each night I initially put the batteries on to recharge, then to dinner, and back to the hotel again. At this point I would take the camera out of the bag & then review the days successes or whatever. Usually the camera had about 2 or more hours to adjust to the hotel temperature, before the viewing. THe camera lasted from the 11/11 untill 11/12 before it died with no power. It went from Pei-Tun, Tongchuan, PDS, & then Jitong, I had some trouble with it skipping sound, & on some occassions, it seemed as if it actually skipped a frame or two. No doubt the weather does play havoc with some camera's more than others, even some made by the same company & same model. Thanks again to all & A merry Christmas & steamy New Ney wherever you can go & get it. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2238-1072273544-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 14:47:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23970 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:47:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBODjog24972 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:45:56 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2238-1072273544-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 13:45:44 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81270 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 13:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 13:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 13:45:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:45:43 -0800 Received: from 68.107.246.11 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:45:43 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2003 13:45:43.0377 (UTC) FILETIME=[39CB6410:01C3CA24] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.40 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [68.107.246.11] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:45:43 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Immunization Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 204 Tom, I have just come back and everyone here is sick with flu. I wouldn't worry about China too much. In 11 trips lasting nearly two years total, I have only gotten sick briefly twice, probably less than I would've been at home. The trick is the same as it is here (I've never gotten a flu shot); use your head. Wash your hands often, don't touch your face if you've just come from the ticket counter on the train through 8 cars to the YW section touching all those door handles. A good idea to spread amonst the Chinese, and they don't laugh at me now since SARS, is to use a spoon dedicated to each dish at a meal, to avoid sharing bugs through chopsticks. Really, the spitting is much less than it used to be in the old days, and things are getting cleaner. I wouldn't over-worry about it. Just be aware, as you should be at home, especially when doing things like getting close to young children who don't know about germs. These are the times that you will catch something. Ronald Olsen P.S. - I am a hospital nurse here in the U.S. when I'm not chasing steam in China. _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2239-1072275971-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 15:29:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26811 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:29:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBOEQJg28467 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:26:20 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2239-1072275971-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 14:26:13 -0000 X-Sender: khojnacki@charter.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24979 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 14:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 14:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 14:26:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 14:26:07 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "ken hojnacki" X-Originating-IP: 24.196.130.39 X-Yahoo-Profile: kodtrak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:26:04 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Immunization Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 205 Another good idea is a Hepatitis A shot as you will be out in the boonies where you might come in contact with all kinds of things, like outhouse effluent that empties onto the ground--you walk thru the leach field, then unlace your boots and---you get the idea. If you are going to the more tropical areas like Hechi, you will need meds for malaria and other things. These are pills that you start taking before you get there and continue after you're out of the region. You should check with your HMO or doctor for a referral to your travel shot clinic where they keep up-to-date on medical problems around the world and will know what to administer when you tell them where you're going. Do it at least two months before you go as some shots like HepA are multi-shot regimines and need lead time. My first trip was last March and going again next March. In our group of 14, one person had some stomach distress one night but it wasn't severe and he was fine the next day. Another came down with a cold but that can happen anytime, anywhere. Don't eat any fresh fruit or veggies unless you can peel them. We saw dozens of vendors selling whole pineapples so this time I am bringing a knife I can carve one with. Fruit juice only seems to be available in markets. You might want to bring some gloves that can be washed as you tend to do some climbing which might involve your hands contacting soil. I braced myself on a mud wall at one place then realized the dust stayed on my gloves and who knows what bacteria might have been in that. Luckily I could wash them. Another thing you might want to bring is a supply of pre-moistened wipes. When you're out in the middle of nowhere or in one of the luxurious brick s--thouses, there isn't any paper out there. Same with the trains. There are no trees on JiTong so don't look for fig leaves. These wipes came in really handy. If you're going south, like Hechi, you might want some insect repellant. You can find 100% DEET at Target. Nothing to do with immunization, but bring some US coins with you. The locals love to ask for coins and will make a sign like our OK sign only with the circle horizontal. This means they want coins. They are a big hit everywhere. If you are going with a tour group, they should send you info on immunizations and probably even handle your visa application--mine does. Have a great time. Ken ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2240-1072283901-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 17:43:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04237 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:43:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBOGcRg07583 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:38:28 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2240-1072283901-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 16:38:21 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56739 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 16:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 16:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 16:38:20 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AZC1a-0005Hl-0X for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:38:19 +0000 Message-ID: <006d01c3ca3c$529a5380$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.217.242.91 From: "mr" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:38:11 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] First Visit to China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 206 You need a VISA but your travel agent should sort that As regards immunisation - it is wise to have HepA and Hep B and your typhoid and paratyphoid and cholera up to date. There is not generally any need for malarial prophylaxis unless you are near the Burmese border. After 15 visits, I only ever got food poisoning once in Tonghua in 1992 from King prawns - my fault really I got salmonella - the prawns were delicious at the time but I did wonder as I ate them if I would pay later. Vernon, one of our team also once had a torrid time after squid on the Mundanjiang sleeper - again seafood. In both cases the seafood came into China via Vladivostock. Otherwise things are fine as long as you don't drink the tap water. Basically you are probably more likely to get food poisoning from your local Taco Bell. Its worth taking a good broad spectrum antibiotic with you in case and I would reccommend Ciprofloxacin. It is worth also considering making sure your tetanus and rabies jabsare up to date. Michael Rhodes (I am a doctor in my spare time!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Gears" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] First Visit to China > I am visiting China from the US in the spring. I need to know if I need to > get immunizations before visiting? Also how about getting a visa. Does > anyone have a website with this type of information? > > Thanks, > > Tom > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2241-1072284039-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 17:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04245 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:43:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBOGekg07779 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:40:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2241-1072284039-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 16:40:40 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19385 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 16:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 16:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 16:40:38 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AZC3o-0005Om-0X for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:40:37 +0000 Message-ID: <009601c3ca3c$a55c3d40$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.217.242.91 From: "mr" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:40:30 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Immunization Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 207 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken hojnacki" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Immunization > Another good idea is a Hepatitis A shot as you will be out in the > boonies where you might come in contact with all kinds of things, > like outhouse effluent that empties onto the ground--you walk thru > the leach field, then unlace your boots and---you get the idea. > > If you are going to the more tropical areas like Hechi, you will > need meds for malaria and other things. These are pills that you > start taking before you get there and continue after you're out of > the region. > > You should check with your HMO or doctor for a referral to your > travel shot clinic where they keep up-to-date on medical problems > around the world and will know what to administer when you tell them > where you're going. Do it at least two months before you go as > some shots like HepA are multi-shot regimines and need lead time. > > My first trip was last March and going again next March. In our > group of 14, one person had some stomach distress one night but it > wasn't severe and he was fine the next day. Another came down with > a cold but that can happen anytime, anywhere. Don't eat any fresh > fruit or veggies unless you can peel them. We saw dozens of vendors > selling whole pineapples so this time I am bringing a knife I can > carve one with. Fruit juice only seems to be available in markets. > > You might want to bring some gloves that can be washed as you tend > to do some climbing which might involve your hands contacting soil. > I braced myself on a mud wall at one place then realized the dust > stayed on my gloves and who knows what bacteria might have been in > that. Luckily I could wash them. > > Another thing you might want to bring is a supply of pre-moistened > wipes. When you're out in the middle of nowhere or in one of the > luxurious brick s--thouses, there isn't any paper out there. Same > with the trains. There are no trees on JiTong so don't look for fig > leaves. These wipes came in really handy. > > If you're going south, like Hechi, you might want some insect > repellant. You can find 100% DEET at Target. > > Nothing to do with immunization, but bring some US coins with you. > The locals love to ask for coins and will make a sign like our OK > sign only with the circle horizontal. This means they want coins. > They are a big hit everywhere. > > If you are going with a tour group, they should send you info on > immunizations and probably even handle your visa application--mine > does. Have a great time. > > Ken > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2242-1072286664-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 18:27:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06080 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:27:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBOHOXg11310 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:24:33 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2242-1072286664-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 17:24:27 -0000 X-Sender: iejiej@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75603 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 17:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 17:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 17:24:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 17:24:25 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "iejiej" X-Originating-IP: 208.151.190.26 X-Yahoo-Profile: iejiej MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:24:23 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: First Visit to China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 208 Air quality in major urban areas is poor due to extensive burning of coal. The most likely health problem is therefore a throat or lung infection. I usually take a wide spectrum anti-biotic with me should a problem of this kind develop. These would also be readily available in China itself. -- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Gears" wrote: > I am visiting China from the US in the spring. I need to know if I need to > get immunizations before visiting? Also how about getting a visa. Does > anyone have a website with this type of information? > > Thanks, > > Tom Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2243-1072297953-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 21:48:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14064 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:48:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBOKWfg25215 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:32:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2243-1072297953-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 20:32:34 -0000 X-Sender: jbwest@att.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94703 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 20:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 20:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 20:32:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 20:32:30 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "John West" X-Originating-IP: 12.72.149.25 X-Yahoo-Profile: jbardinwest MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:32:30 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Immunizations Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 209 I'm a bit surprised by the number of folks recommending vaccinations, etc. I've made four trips, soon to be five, and never had a serious problem. I'd second Ron Olsen's advice. My wife is a nurse, and my physican a close friend, and they would second Ron's advice. I do take a "first aid" kit with me , including an anti-biotic. But that is not because I view China as being unhealthy, but rather language can be a challenge if you do need something. The first aid kit I filled up three years ago is still full and largely unused. I do use a lot of antiseptic wipes, drink only bottled water and beer, and try to stay as well rested as one can on a hardcore railfan trip. Somebody mentioned bad air. I would agree. Between the cold and dryness in the north, and coal smoke, the old sinuses and eventually the throat can take a beating. And the lips need chapstick. So stuff like blistex and lozenges come in handy, as well as antihistamin and decongestant. John West ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2244-1072301904-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 22:42:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16174 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:42:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBOLcTg30083 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:38:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2244-1072301904-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2003 21:38:24 -0000 X-Sender: friendctsjun@yahoo.com.cn X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2807 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 21:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2003 21:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web15002.mail.bjs.yahoo.com) (202.3.77.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 21:38:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20031224213821.175.qmail@web15002.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.237.225.8] by web15002.mail.bjs.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:38:21 CST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 202.3.77.5 From: =?gb2312?q?xuejun=20liu?= X-Yahoo-Profile: friendctsjun MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:38:21 +0800 (CST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] First Visit to China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 210 Dear Thomas: How are you?My Name is Xuejun Liu ,worked in Chengde Friendship International Travel Service.I arrange steam party in china,I am A STEAM FANS too.Would you need my help?If you want to take your visa,I can fax one invite letter .If you use My free time visit china,I think I can give you a big help. My friends Bill Botkin ,Tom Kelcec,David Corbbit,Michael Allen, Gary Hunter..... many US party all enjoy me very much. about cost :I will be according to your itinerary and how many person in your party,then reasonable cost follow. Merry Christmas and Happy New year. I hope get your advice soon. yours:jun Thomas Gears wrote: I am visiting China from the US in the spring. I need to know if I need to get immunizations before visiting? Also how about getting a visa. Does anyone have a website with this type of information? Thanks, Tom --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2245-1072370589-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 17:48:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20509 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:48:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBPGhFg03254 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:43:15 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2245-1072370589-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2003 16:43:09 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97915 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 16:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 16:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep02-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.130) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 16:43:07 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.13]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20031225164306.ONMA3162.fep02-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:43:06 +0100 Organization: STC To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20031225164306.ONMA3162.fep02-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 130.244.199.130 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [193.217.195.9] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:43:06 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Health precautrions for steam travelling in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 211 Immunization etc. has been discussed for some time. I think the best source for immunization info is your country's health officials. More important is how to deal with the possible small infections in the country: Stomach. If you go to China many times, this is no problem. If you are the first few times you will probably get some diarrhoea. How not to get one? Peel the fruit you eat, wash your hands before you eat. If start feeling bad, stop eating and drink cola (China has a good soda called "future cola"). Stop eating and drink. ALWAYS carry toilet paper (which is good for a lot of purposes). The other problem is dry air, which makes throat infections easier. You may carry some mentol drops, like Fishermans firends, from your home country. They do jnot have this in the countryside. The third is your skin. Carrying a lipstick is a good idea, otherwise your lips will be dry soon. I have not used much of my first aid kit, so I am dropping it now. However, sports tape or duct tape is good to have. To fix your camera to something, and generally to fix things. Yours, Hans Schaefer ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2246-1072395331-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 00:49:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04868 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:49:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBPNZbg29670 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:35:38 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2246-1072395331-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2003 23:35:31 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58500 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 23:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2003 23:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 23:35:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2003 23:35:27 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.1.75 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:35:26 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Nanpiao "Master Shot" Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 212 Hello and Merry Christmas to all, After reading and viewing Rob Dickinson's wonderful article about Nanpiao on his website, I thought I'd add my thoughts on the best single photo position on the system. This would be a shot of a train headed for Sanjiazi taken from up on the bluff above the tracks between the points labeled 5 and 6 on the map. The train is heading upgrade and, because the line is heading geographically south at this point and the trains in this direction are always smokestack forward, the sun will be on the front of the locomotive all day. In the photo composition will be the well-weathered mine buildings and yard at this location as well as a rugged mountain background. Louis Cerny P.S. - If you're at Tiefa, don't miss the shots looking west from high above the west portal of the tunnel as a heavy loaded coal train approaches. The train is visible for a long time. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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I do not tire of watching it, perhaps one of my better video shot's and I hope to recapture the affect again in Feb. ----- Original Message ----- From: "notenfrog" Date: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:35 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] Nanpiao "Master Shot" > > > > > Hello and Merry Christmas to all, > > > > After reading and viewing Rob Dickinson's wonderful article about > > Nanpiao on his website, I thought I'd add my thoughts on the best > > single photo position on the system. This would be a shot of a > > train headed for Sanjiazi taken from up on the bluff above the > > tracks between the points labeled 5 and 6 on the map. The train > is > > heading upgrade and, because the line is heading geographically > > south at this point and the trains in this direction are always > > smokestack forward, the sun will be on the front of the locomotive > > all day. In the photo composition will be the well-weathered > mine > > buildings and yard at this location as well as a rugged mountain > > background. > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > P.S. - If you're at Tiefa, don't miss the shots looking west from > > high above the west portal of the tunnel as a heavy loaded coal > > train approaches. The train is visible for a long time. > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2248-1072435966-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 11:53:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23112 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:53:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBQAqtg04593 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:52:56 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2248-1072435966-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2003 10:52:49 -0000 X-Sender: davidoff5181@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4709 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 10:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 10:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 10:52:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:52:48 -0800 Received: from 219.159.42.70 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:52:48 GMT X-Originating-Email: [davidoff5181@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davidoff5181@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2003 10:52:48.0433 (UTC) FILETIME=[66AC1210:01C3CB9E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.31.14 From: "Dave Davidoff" X-Originating-IP: [219.159.42.70] X-Yahoo-Profile: dave_habraken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:52:48 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Baotou and JingPeng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 214 Hello everybody, Enjoying my tour in China at 200%, I would quickly like to mail you. Following the advice of many of you, I've decided to go to Baotou after all. This was a good decision as it turned out great with the slag tipping. Thanks to everybody who helped me with this. I can make some smaller corrections to the map of Jan Schirling. Jan, if you're a member of this news group, please contact me privately so we can arrange something. In Baotou, our taxidriver took us straight trough the main gate which was no problem at all. But: no illegal visiting for us so we just went trough on our way to the slag tipping. I think, the big trick over here is to climb up on one of the tipping hills because like this you can see the whole area and more: you don't mis trains who go to the other side. This is no problem at all because the metals that are over there are cold within one hour. Our day we spent there really became great and worthwhile after I used this trick. Before, we were always at the wrong position at the wrong moment. JingPeng then: it's not so cold as expected: temperatures variate between -25 and -15 degrees Celsius. Our first train was to heavy to climb up between Erdi and Shandian. It stood there for about 2 hours when a third engin from a westbounder came to the rescue. So yes: we had a tripple-header!!! Of course, the first engin was tender first but it surely maked a realy nice sound :-))) The rest of the day was very busy after the delays with the stucked train. Yesterday was very calm: 2 westbounders and 3 eastbounders. Today was great with 4 eastbounders and 5 westbounders. At the east-side of the pass, we could make pictures with a train in front of us and the smoke of another one in the background. In the afternoon, Jingpeng was completely filed with two westbounders and an eastbounder. The last eastbounder arrived at Shangdian 5 minutes before sunset so glintshots all the way! Rumours are going really hard now about the end of steam. In Daban, they stil use 2005 as final year. Here in Reshui they mentioned first diesels to arrive in june 2004, but I don't believe it. I think in Daban they know what they're talking about! So, 3 days left here in Reshui and then up to Handan and Pingdingshan! Thanks for all who helped me prepare my first solo-trip. Until now, it's a huge succes! A late happy chrismas, Dave >From: Prof_Steam >Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Re: Xunhua; Beipiao >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:07:34 -0800 (PST) > >I agree with John, Mr. Zhang of Jilin CITS will do a >good job of making arrangements for a rail visit. I >have been using him for over 10 years for railfan and >and tourism visits to China. >Ron Amberger >--- John Agnew wrote: > > I must agree with Peter Patt. I always use Zhang Xin > > Sheng (note spelling). > > I had the pleasure of having him and his boss, in my > > home here last year and > > I have been his guest in Changchun also. > > As he lived and studied in the USA for several years > > he understands > > perfectly precisely what motivates us, and he > > delivers accordingly. > > He is not expensive as I always have at least 4 in > > my group. He has a > > reliable network. > > This weekend he is investigating Louis Cerny's > > Beipiao North line(s) report > > for me. > > Zhangs email is > > > > citsjlp@public.cc.jl.cn > > He also has a hotmail address which I can supply > > off-line if you are unable > > to get through on the CITS address. > > Merry Xmas to all, John Agnew > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Protect your identity with Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2249-1072448627-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 15:28:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00710 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:28:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBQENsg19259 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:23:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2249-1072448627-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2003 14:23:47 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83320 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 14:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 14:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 14:23:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:23:45 -0800 Received: from 68.107.246.11 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:23:44 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2003 14:23:45.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[DECE22C0:01C3CBBB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.66 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [68.107.246.11] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:23:44 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] P-T, FXC, Hostel Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 215 If anyone is going to Pei-Tun soon, please contact me off-page. I have lost something there and there is a chance that the crossing guard may have it. If anyone is going to FuXinCheng, I have noticed an error in my quick report. It is 12.6 km from the bus station to the tollbooth, not 22.6 km. I had to correct a lot of typing errors using chinese keyboards and this one got through unnoticed. My apologies. An old friend has opened a new hostel in Beijing. It is cheap at Y40, especially when you consider its location. It is called Leo's Hostel, and from Qianmen square it is about a 350m meter walk west from the KFC, on the south side of the main road going towards Hepingmen. He has two rooms at present with four beds in each, and a good computer connection for internet. The best part about this place is Leo himself, he gives excellent service. He believes in results for the customer. If there is something that you need in Beijing then he is the man that you want helping you. The Hostel has a big red sign in English, and is about 20 m past an excellent bakery. The bus to Beijing West Station stops right in front of the place and costs Y1 to get there. Very convenient ! _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2250-1072453286-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 16:43:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03295 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:43:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBQFfWg24485 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:41:33 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2250-1072453286-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2003 15:41:26 -0000 X-Sender: iejiej@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58453 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 15:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 15:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.232.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 15:41:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20031226154121.36067.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.151.190.26] by web21402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:41:21 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.232.72 From: ian juden X-Yahoo-Profile: iejiej MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:41:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Nanpiao "Master Shot" Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 216 I agree that this would make a great shot, but there are only three trains passing this point in daylight. In late November the sun was on the wrong side for the morning passenger, and the bluff cast a shadow over the mine yard by the time the afternoon passenger got there at about 15.45. The only possible train is the daily freight, which gets to the washery about 10.30 to 11.00. I am awaiting the return of my slides to see how well my efforts at this location have come out. I spent five days on this system, and think it is one of the most photogenic (for its length) in China. However, I was a little disappointed at the traffic levels. Getting good photos is extremely difficult, as the trains and good lighting are rarely at the same spot at the same time. That said, anyone with the patience to spend a week or ten days on the line can expect to get one or two very good shots per day. As more people go to this line over time I expect we will be seeing many more superb shots to add to those already published by Rob Dickenson. --- notenfrog wrote: > Hello and Merry Christmas to all, > > After reading and viewing Rob Dickinson's wonderful > article about > Nanpiao on his website, I thought I'd add my > thoughts on the best > single photo position on the system. This would be > a shot of a > train headed for Sanjiazi taken from up on the bluff > above the > tracks between the points labeled 5 and 6 on the > map. The train is > heading upgrade and, because the line is heading > geographically > south at this point and the trains in this direction > are always > smokestack forward, the sun will be on the front of > the locomotive > all day. In the photo composition will be the > well-weathered mine > buildings and yard at this location as well as a > rugged mountain > background. > > Louis Cerny > > P.S. - If you're at Tiefa, don't miss the shots > looking west from > high above the west portal of the tunnel as a heavy > loaded coal > train approaches. The train is visible for a long > time. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2251-1072465631-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 20:08:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11364 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:08:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBQJ7Hg06267 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:07:17 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2251-1072465631-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2003 19:07:11 -0000 X-Sender: timarnot@hotkey.net.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53877 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 19:07:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 19:07:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stiletto.hotkey.net.au) (202.138.0.110) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 19:07:09 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (207.040.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au [211.26.163.207]) by stiletto.hotkey.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBQJ7II15402 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:07:18 +1100 Message-ID: <3FEC8790.6000602@hotkey.net.au> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 202.138.0.110 From: Tim Arnot X-Yahoo-Profile: timarnot_aus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:10:08 +1100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Video Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 217 The below posted with fermission from John D. > Tim: > > I read your note in Steam in China, but I'm on the road and somehow > cannot send a reply directly to that site. If you are able, OK to > post this message for me. > > I've used a Sony VX-2000 for two trips to Jitong, and it's been > exemplary. > > I've used a Polar M2 case for it. The case has very well-designed > access panels, and pockets inside for 4 of the small chemical > handwarmers. I take a good supply of these along, and they've worked > great. The batteries are incredible: they actually last the full 8 > hours advertised in normal conditions, and with the warmers, seem to > do almost as well in the field. > > Only problem with the M2 was the hand sleeve, which was way too tight > and ripped off almost immediately. Before the second trip my wife > sewed an ordinary wook knit cap around the hand opening it with the > cap opening towards the back, and that worked fine. > > > Regards, John Diefenbach Now where/what is a Polar M2 case? Cheers Tim A ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2252-1072486659-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 01:58:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27691 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:58:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBR0vjg30302 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:57:46 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2252-1072486659-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 00:57:39 -0000 X-Sender: Trainrider47@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8013 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 00:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 00:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 00:57:37 -0000 Received: from Trainrider47@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.63.26896c59 (4230) for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:57:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63.26896c59.2d1e32fd@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: trainrider47@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: a231pacific MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:57:33 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digest Number 525 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 218 In a message dated 12/24/03 3:36:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tim Arnot < timarnot@hotkey.net.au> writes: > There was evidence of considerable corrosion of electronic components on > the main board of the camera. I can recall no instances of the camera > getting wet, other than one or two VERY short exposures to rain in > Australia. Repairs cost $A1850! > > My next China trip is early Feb 2004 and I will have two Sony cameras > this time, with the addition of a new VX2000e. This camera has the > battery clipped onto the back of the camera, where the VX1000 has the > battery inside the camera body. I'm going to make a small protective > "sock" for the camera back to try and stop the battery dying too quickly. Tim, The Sony VX1000 is used extensively by independent wild life and sports video producers and I have been told by several of them that they sell their cameras after two or three programs, due to internal corrosion, particularly the heads. Evidently this is a known problem. I have found that the batteries used by the VX2000, particularly the NP-F960 are not affected by cold to anywhere near the extent of the old VX1000 batteries. I have left them out in the cold on Ted's tump, above tunnel 4 etc. in screaming wind and seriously cold temperatures and still had the camera report an estimated battery life of 200+ minutes! I don't think you need to bother with the sock. Good luck on your next trip, but be aware that once you drop a VX1000, Sony may not find all the damage and fix it the first time. Ironically, I had mine take a tumble in South Africa in 1996 and it took two years and four visits to the shop to finally get it right. It would seem to be fine when I got it back, but something else would fail on my next trip. The viewfinder is particularly prone to failure on the VX1000. I would ditch it and get either a second VX2000 or the new VX2100! Sincerly, Michael Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2253-1072491564-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 03:23:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29801 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:23:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBR2JVg02588 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:19:31 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2253-1072491564-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 02:19:24 -0000 X-Sender: timarnot@hotkey.net.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32773 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 02:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 02:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stiletto.hotkey.net.au) (202.138.0.110) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 02:19:23 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (207.040.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au [211.26.163.207]) by stiletto.hotkey.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBR2JWH17452 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:19:32 +1100 Message-ID: <3FECECDC.3040601@hotkey.net.au> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <63.26896c59.2d1e32fd@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <63.26896c59.2d1e32fd@aol.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 202.138.0.110 From: Tim Arnot X-Yahoo-Profile: timarnot_aus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:22:20 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digest Number 525 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 219 trainrider47@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/24/03 3:36:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tim Arnot < > timarnot@hotkey.net.au> > writes: > The Sony VX1000 is used extensively by independent wild life and sports > video > producers and I have been told by several of them that they sell their > cameras after two or three programs, due to internal corrosion, > particularly the > heads. Evidently this is a known problem. This is not good, however the repair included new heads and new drum, so *should* be OK for a year or so. > > I have found that the batteries used by the VX2000, particularly the > NP-F960 > are not affected by cold to anywhere near the extent of the old VX1000 > batteries. I have left them out in the cold on Ted's tump, above tunnel > 4 etc. in > screaming wind and seriously cold temperatures and still had the camera > report > an estimated battery life of 200+ minutes! I don't think you need to > bother > with the sock. > > Good luck on your next trip, but be aware that once you drop a VX1000, Sony > may not find all the damage and fix it the first time. Ironically, I > had mine > take a tumble in South Africa in 1996 and it took two years and four > visits to > the shop to finally get it right. I was a tad lucky that the camera/tripod assembly fell into longish grass rather than rock and stone or worse, down a hill side. It was still working after the fall, just that the mounting plate to the tripod was broken and for a while that is all that I thought was the problem. It would seem to be fine when I got it > back, but something else would fail on my next trip. The viewfinder is > particularly prone to failure on the VX1000. I would ditch it and get > either a second > VX2000 or the new VX2100! Thanx for the above, very interesting. I've also had trouble with the viewfinder - the connecting * cable* which is necessarily flexible has a habit of failing. I've had this item replaced as a matter of routine at every service. I'll look into the VX2100, first time I've heard of new model. Cheers Tim Arnot ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2254-1072494080-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 04:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01120 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:04:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBR31Ug04921 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:01:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2254-1072494080-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 03:01:24 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4383 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 03:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 03:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 03:01:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 03:01:22 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.4.144 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:01:20 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Zhun Dong photos Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 220 Hello all, Some great new B&W photos from Japan of a November visit to the Zhun Dong railway are at: http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/ZhunDong3-1.htm Louis Cerny Yahoo! 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Many thanks, Louis. Ron Olsen _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2256-1072495731-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 04:33:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02230 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:33:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBR3Svg06879 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:28:57 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2256-1072495731-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 03:28:51 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13227 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 03:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 03:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 03:28:50 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HQJAZZ00.5QS for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:28:47 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <482a04ef97.4ef97482a0@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:28:47 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Video Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 222 I must ask the same question as Tim, """Now where/what is a Polar M2 case? """ I was informed by the tecky where my Panasonic sits waiting an overhaul, that Sony has instructions that say a thermal case should be used in temperatures below zero, no such advice in my Panasonic manual, Only the zero - 40 celcius as the operating temps Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2257-1072538644-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 16:29:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13810 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:29:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBRFOBg20865 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:24:12 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2257-1072538644-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 15:24:05 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82009 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 15:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 15:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 15:23:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 15:23:37 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.1.61 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:23:37 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 223 Hello all, Can anyone give me information about the locomotive shown at: http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1063390988_1.JPG It appears to have a very U.S. style smokebox front, but I never saw anything like this in China in my 1980's visits. Louis Cerny Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2258-1072547202-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 18:48:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20262 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:48:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBRHkqg30232 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:46:53 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2258-1072547202-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 17:46:43 -0000 X-Sender: Trainrider47@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66183 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 17:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 17:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 17:46:39 -0000 Received: from Trainrider47@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.123.2940c394 (4184) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:46:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <123.2940c394.2d1f1f6f@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.35 From: trainrider47@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: a231pacific MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:46:23 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digest Number 528 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 224 Hello Tim, In a message dated 12/27/03 12:02:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tim Arnot < timarnot@hotkey.net.au> writes: > I'll look into the VX2100, first time I've heard of new model. The new model is an evolutionary upgrade of the VX2000. It looks just like a VX2000, but with a much bigger viewfinder. In addition to a bigger view finder, the audio has been improved to reduce hum, which are my big complaints about the VX2000. It also has a brighter LCD panel, so maybe it can actually be used in sunlight! They have lowered the low light rating from 2 lux to 1 lux. They have also added a start stop button and zoom rocker to the top handle, so you can hold the camera out of the cab window and control it! The list price is the same as the VX2000. My VX2000 is still going strong, so I have not felt the need to upgrade yet. Michael Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2259-1072554713-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 20:54:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26106 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:54:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBRJq2g06097 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:52:02 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2259-1072554713-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 19:51:53 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2826 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 19:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 19:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-03.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 19:51:49 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-067-237.arcor-ip.net [145.254.67.237]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C694A56ED00 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:51:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <01a601c3ccb2$dd361560$e445fe91@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.43 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:16:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 225 Seems to be a Russian Ye class, delivered by the US during World War II to the Soviet Union and purchased second hand by the Chinese together with the FD class. Best, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: notenfrog To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Hello all, Can anyone give me information about the locomotive shown at: http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1063390988_1.JPG It appears to have a very U.S. style smokebox front, but I never saw anything like this in China in my 1980's visits. Louis Cerny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2260-1072555121-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 21:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26734 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:08:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBRJwmg06475 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:58:49 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2260-1072555121-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 19:58:41 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24894 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 19:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 19:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.147) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 19:58:39 -0000 Received: from web2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031227195816.XJLI12454.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@web2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:58:16 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.156.35]) by web2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031227195815.UNFC9867.web2-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:58:15 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.147 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:58:14 +1300 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 226 Louis looks like a DK, several which were still reportedly at Changchun until 1979-80. They were built for the SMR from 1919 and were for use on lighter track than the earlier JF class. They were comparable to the Russian built DK class, many of which were converted by the Japanese to run on the Manchurian National Rlys after 1932. This info comes from "Locomotives in China" by Peter Clark, Australia 1983. Regards John Agnew Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2261-1072559357-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 22:13:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29233 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:13:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBRL9Ng11111 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:09:23 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2261-1072559357-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 21:09:17 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78752 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 21:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 21:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.187) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 21:09:15 -0000 Received: from web2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031227210913.WSHY7964.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@web2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:09:13 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.156.35]) by web2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031227210913.UTWW9867.web2-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:09:13 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.187 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:09:14 +1300 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 227 Louis, I missed out the numeral, as its DK1. There is a pic of a similar Dk1 #7 at Changchun 9/1979 taken by S. Buck in my book. The DK1 numbers were 1 -49 plus. Further info from 'The New China Publishing house Picture Album' states" The Harbin-Dalian Rly imported 26 class DK1 from Alco in 1919. Between 1921/23 the Shakekou Loco works of Manchuria Admin later built 36 more DK1's. So 62 were allocated to the puppet Manchouri Rly Administration. This books shows a very poor copy of the S. Buck picture, published in 1983 by the Australians. Regards John ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2262-1072562716-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 23:09:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01779 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:09:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBRM5Ng14627 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:05:23 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2262-1072562716-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 22:05:17 -0000 X-Sender: johnmday@telus.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48617 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 22:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2003 22:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 22:05:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2003 22:05:09 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006d01c3ca3c$529a5380$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "John Day" X-Originating-IP: 154.5.167.28 X-Yahoo-Profile: trolleyjolly MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:05:09 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: First Visit to China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 228 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "mr" wrote: > You need a VISA but your travel agent should sort that > > As regards immunisation - it is wise to have HepA and Hep B and your typhoid > and paratyphoid and cholera up to date. There is not generally any need for > malarial prophylaxis unless you are near the Burmese border. My doc originally recommended only Hep A for the far north in winter but now has added Hep B to that. I came back from China last year dreadfully sick, and I am not a person to get sick easily. High fever, sore joints and an awful dry cough that I couldn't get rid of for about 2 months, made worse by all the wood fuelled fires in the still air at Weihe. No diagnosis was made though I did get myself to a doctor as soon as I got back. Is this going to stop me going back--no way! The ticket's bought, the batteries are charged, roll on February! Touch wood, I've never had food poisoning in China. But I do choose what I eat quite carefully. JD Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Processed in 0.026225 secs); 27 Dec 2003 23:14:45 -0000 Received: from sand.pipeline.com.au (203.27.87.13) by wipeout.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 10:14:45 +1100 Received: (qmail 20066 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 10:14:44 +1100 Received: from ip16.pm3-4.gln.pipeline.com.au (HELO roger-gillard.pipeline.com.au) (210.8.31.111) by sand.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 10:14:44 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20031228095625.00b33a90@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Sender: rgg@pop3.pipeline.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.27.87.49 From: Roger Gillard X-Yahoo-Profile: saditobi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:14:36 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 229 Louis, This is DK2 114. In the middle 80's it was used as a stationary boiler at Linhe. When it was withdrawn from service it went to Baotou East shed as part of a small museum!!?? (together with some SL's and an FD). This photo seems to have been taken at BT Dong - the loco beside looks like ine of the SL's. The DK2's were the so called Russian Decapods built in the USA for Russia but not exported because of the 1917 revolution. Most of them went to lines in the US but some of the originals eventually went to Russia. Also another batch were built and went to Russia around the time of the second world war. Some of these Russian locos got to China and became the DK2 class. The locos seen at Changchun and Fushun by travellers in the early 1980's were DK1 class. These went to China directly from the USA, not via Russia. If you look at photos of the Yea class ( I think this is what they were coded in Russia (see Peter Clark's book)) and 114 at Baotou, you can see quite a few changes. For example, on the other side of the loco to the view you see in the photo the running board has a step cut in about the middle ( rather like what you see in a SL6) which I think is a Chinese modification. And the cab looks different. Buy yourself a Bachman Russian Decapod and turn it into DK2 114 to go with your Bachman QJ. I hope this helps. I haven't had a chance to check my records but hopefully I haven't made any grievous mistakes. Cheers, Roger Gillard At 03:23 PM 27/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hello all, > >Can anyone give me information about the locomotive shown at: > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1063390988_1.JPG > >It appears to have a very U.S. style smokebox front, but I never saw >anything like this in China in my 1980's visits. > >Louis Cerny > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2264-1072582085-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 04:28:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26486 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:28:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBS3SBg09650 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:28:12 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2264-1072582085-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 03:28:05 -0000 X-Sender: rgg@pipeline.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7743 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 03:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 03:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wax.pipeline.com.au) (203.27.87.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 03:28:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20554 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 14:27:59 +1100 Received: from unknown (HELO wipeout.pipeline.com.au) (203.27.87.43) by wax.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 14:27:59 +1100 Received: (qmail 12796 invoked by uid 510); 28 Dec 2003 14:27:59 +1100 Received: from rgg@pipeline.com.au by wipeout.pipeline.com.au by uid 501 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (iscan: v3.1/v6.810-1005/708/57271. spamassassin: 2.61. 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Processed in 0.026832 secs); 28 Dec 2003 03:27:59 -0000 Received: from sand.pipeline.com.au (203.27.87.13) by wipeout.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 14:27:59 +1100 Received: (qmail 24830 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 14:27:58 +1100 Received: from ip44.pm3-4.gln.pipeline.com.au (HELO roger-gillard.pipeline.com.au) (210.8.31.139) by sand.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 14:27:58 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20031228142444.00b339a8@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Sender: rgg@pop3.pipeline.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20031228095625.00b33a90@pop3.pipeline.com.au> References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.27.87.49 From: Roger Gillard X-Yahoo-Profile: saditobi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:27:50 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 230 I've made a mistake in my previous message. The depot where the DK2 was stored was the big freight depot at Baotou West (Baotou Xi), not the east depot where the JS's were shedded. I wonder where this loco is now? Maybe still at Baotou West? Is it on the museum list to be preserved?? Cheers, Roger At 10:14 AM 28/12/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Louis, > This is DK2 114. In the middle 80's it was used as a stationary >boiler at Linhe. When it was withdrawn from service it went to Baotou East >shed as part of a small museum!!?? (together with some SL's and an FD). >This photo seems to have been taken at BT Dong - the loco beside looks like >ine of the SL's. The DK2's were the so called Russian Decapods built in >the USA for Russia but not exported because of the 1917 revolution. Most of >them went to lines in the US but some of the originals eventually went to >Russia. Also another batch were built and went to Russia around the time of >the second world war. Some of these Russian locos got to China and became >the DK2 class. The locos seen at Changchun and Fushun by travellers in >the early 1980's were DK1 class. These went to China directly from the USA, >not via Russia. If you look at photos of the Yea class ( I think this is >what they were coded in Russia (see Peter Clark's book)) and 114 at Baotou, >you can see quite a few changes. For example, on the other side of the loco >to the view you see in the photo the running board has a step cut in about >the middle ( rather like what you see in a SL6) which I think is a Chinese >modification. And the cab looks different. Buy yourself a Bachman >Russian Decapod and turn it into DK2 114 to go with your Bachman QJ. I >hope this helps. I haven't had a chance to check my records but hopefully I >haven't made any grievous mistakes. > > Cheers, > Roger Gillard > > > > > >At 03:23 PM 27/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >Can anyone give me information about the locomotive shown at: > > > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1063390988_1.JPG > > > >It appears to have a very U.S. style smokebox front, but I never saw > >anything like this in China in my 1980's visits. > > > >Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2265-1072587303-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 05:58:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28273 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 05:58:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBS4t9g14236 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 05:55:09 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2265-1072587303-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 04:55:03 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88458 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 04:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 04:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 04:55:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 04:55:01 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 210.20.55.189 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:55:01 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 231 Yes, comments are right. The picture is from Japanese web site. http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/T-DK2-2.htm Their caption said that the picture have been taken at Baotou engine shed in Dec. 1990. And Number is DK2-114. There is another picture of same engine on the site. http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/T-DK2.htm It seems to be still there in the same area. Jun Shirakawa ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2266-1072588669-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 06:18:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28852 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 06:18:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBS5Htg15450 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 06:17:56 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2266-1072588669-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 05:17:49 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47833 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 05:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 05:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 05:17:44 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HQLAPH00.1AH for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:17:41 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4ab5d4e818.4e8184ab5d@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:17:41 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 232 Is it still possible to get Peter Clark's book anywhere. Or does anyone have one for sale please? Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2267-1072609157-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 12:04:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09581 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:04:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBSAxOg03477 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:59:24 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2267-1072609157-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 10:59:18 -0000 X-Sender: davidoff5181@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35653 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 10:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 10:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 10:59:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 02:59:15 -0800 Received: from 219.159.41.212 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:59:15 GMT X-Originating-Email: [davidoff5181@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davidoff5181@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2003 10:59:15.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2271DF0:01C3CD31] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.31.65 From: "Dave Davidoff" X-Originating-IP: [219.159.41.212] X-Yahoo-Profile: dave_habraken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:59:15 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Video & JingPeng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 233 Hello; Here at JingPeng, traffic is huge at the moment. Allready two days, one train after the other runs from Haoluku towards Daban. Almost every day, there are some light engins going to Haoluku. Just great! For the second day, after each train, we only could run back a few kilometers before the next eastbound train became visible. Just incredible! Tomorrow evening, I'm leaving this wunderfull place. I hope the rest of the programm will stay nice to after this visit to steam-heaven About video and batteries: I also use a VX-1000 and i must say, once it's cold, the batteries drop very fast. Specially for this trip, I've bought 3 extra large batteries and I don't regret it. The first 2 days (temperatures always below -15), I've used 4 NP720-batteries pro day, which is quite much. Now, it's aobout -5 (yes, you're reading correct, it's relatively warm here) and I used only 2 batteries today which is quite normal. So: when you get over here in the winter, take certainly enough video-batteries with you as well as photo-batteries. The problem for video-batteries is much bigger I think. Regards, Dave >From: Tim Arnot >Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Steam_in_China] Video >Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:10:08 +1100 > >The below posted with fermission from John D. > > > Tim: > > > > I read your note in Steam in China, but I'm on the road and somehow > > cannot send a reply directly to that site. If you are able, OK to > > post this message for me. > > > > I've used a Sony VX-2000 for two trips to Jitong, and it's been > > exemplary. > > > > I've used a Polar M2 case for it. The case has very well-designed > > access panels, and pockets inside for 4 of the small chemical > > handwarmers. I take a good supply of these along, and they've worked > > great. The batteries are incredible: they actually last the full 8 > > hours advertised in normal conditions, and with the warmers, seem to > > do almost as well in the field. > > > > Only problem with the M2 was the hand sleeve, which was way too tight > > and ripped off almost immediately. Before the second trip my wife > > sewed an ordinary wook knit cap around the hand opening it with the > > cap opening towards the back, and that worked fine. > > > > > > Regards, John Diefenbach > > >Now where/what is a Polar M2 case? > >Cheers >Tim A > _________________________________________________________________ Chatten doe je nu via messenger http://messenger.msn.be Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2268-1072616506-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 14:04:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13947 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:04:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBSD1qg11909 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:01:52 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2268-1072616506-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 13:01:46 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4280 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 13:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 13:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 13:01:42 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.60]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031228130140.WITE1005.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:01:40 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.46 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:01:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id OAA13947 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 234 Louis, The Loco is a DK2 class. The shape of the front sandbox is very distinctive and quite different to that on the DK1. The cab is also different. These locos were supplied to the Russians by US builders during the first world war. I'm not certain but I think they were classified "Ye" by the Russians and those supplied during WW2 to essentially the same design became class "Yea". The original Trans-Siberian route crossed northern China from Manzhouli, via Harbin and Mudanjiang to Suifenhe. The current (less direct) route was built later in response to concerns that such a strategic railway should run entirely on Russian soil. The line between Harbin and Changchun was also originally 5 foot gauge as was the main line of the Weihe Narrow gauge! Until the Japanese takeover of Manchuria in the 1930s the original Trans-Siberian via Harbin continued to operate as the Chinese Eastern Railway on 5 foot gauge with Russian motive power. Over 100 Ye were in use on the CER in the mid 1920s and 44 were converted to standard gauge during the period of Japanese rule when the main lines were also regauged. The 44 locos became class DK2 and are thought to have continued in use until the 1970s. There was a DK2 at Baotou Xi loco depot a few years ago as part of the "museum" collection. How it got to Baotou is a mystery. This is probably the loco shown in the photo here. the loco behind may well be one of the hi-deflector SL pacifics used on main line passengers around Baotou until the mid 1980s. As always, Peter Clark's excellent "Locomotives in China" provided much of the information above. Probably the best 2 I ever spent. Hope this helps, Duncan On Saturday, Dec 27, 2003, at 15:23 Europe/London, notenfrog wrote: > Hello all, > > Can anyone give me information about the locomotive shown at: > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1063390988_1.JPG > > It appears to have a very U.S. style smokebox front, but I never saw > anything like this in China in my 1980's visits. > > Louis Cerny > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2270-1072618941-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 14:44:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15530 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:44:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBSDgSg14521 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:42:29 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2270-1072618941-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 13:42:21 -0000 X-Sender: brian.rumary@virgin.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38826 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 13:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 13:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 13:42:20 -0000 Received: from virgin.net ([81.98.81.102]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031228134219.JLOV7358.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@virgin.net> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:42:19 +0000 X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20031228095625.00b33a90@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.164.46 From: "B.Rumary" X-Yahoo-Profile: purnellsuk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:42:17 GMT Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 235 Roger Gillard wrote: > The DK2's were the so called Russian Decapods built in > the USA for Russia but not exported because of the 1917 revolution. Most of > them went to lines in the US but some of the originals eventually went to > Russia. > Some of the "Russian Decapods" _did_ go to Russia, but further shipments were embargoed after the October Revolution of 1917 that brought the Bolsheviks to power. This was mostly because the new Soviet government could no longer get finance for the deal, rather than for political reasons. The builders still kept turning out locos for a while, but finally stopped when they had about 250 stored. These were taken over by the US Government, converted to standard gauge, and loaned to various US railroads. After the war they were sold off to various lines. Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2269-1072618859-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 14:44:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15534 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:44:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBSDf5g14401 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:41:09 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2269-1072618859-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 13:40:59 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30866 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 13:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 13:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 13:40:56 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.60]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031228134052.LJVC26519.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:40:52 +0000 To: Steam_In_China ~ , Bryan Acford , Alan Beard , Peter Breeze , Barry Burns , Rob Dickinson , Mike Dodd , Adrian Freeman , Robin Gibbons , Robert Horlacher , Greg Howell , Richard Lewis , Jim Livesey , Ian Martin , Trevor Maxted Message-Id: <72429060-393B-11D8-AADE-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.41 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:40:49 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] December Trip Report Published Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 236 The illustrated report from my latest trip to China is available at: http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts/index.htm Note the new website address. Incidentally, in reply to earlier queries, my IBM Microdrive worked perfectly in sub-zero temperatures. However, there are concerns about the robustness of these devices and I echo the remarks that CF cards are a better bet. Enjoy the report, Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2271-1072624979-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 16:24:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19439 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:24:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBSFN6g20619 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:23:06 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2271-1072624979-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 15:22:59 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16033 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 15:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 15:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 15:22:58 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.60]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031228152250.MXDT9852.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:22:50 +0000 To: Steam_In_China ~ Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.43 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:22:57 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan - the end? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 237 I've received information that steam working may have finished at Tongchuan but unfortunately, it's not very specific. Does anyone have any more information? The last reports I saw were from late October 2003 when at least 2 of the JF were working. Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 238 There were still 4 steamable JFs at the end of November. Two were kept steaming with banked fires for protection and two were in daily use. One additional Diesel will probably allow two of the four JFs to be dumped and a total of two additional Diesels will probably mean the end. Mike LaPlante Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2273-1072641858-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 21:09:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05445 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:09:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBSK4Sg08241 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:04:28 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2273-1072641858-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2003 20:04:22 -0000 X-Sender: MLapla3308@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28908 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 20:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2003 20:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 20:04:21 -0000 Received: from MLapla3308@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id r.102.3bb76180 (4468) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:04:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <102.3bb76180.2d20913b@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.6 From: mlapla3308@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mlapla3308 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:04:11 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 239 I photographed this engine at Baotou in 2001 and the lettering on the cab simply says DK 114. Mike LaPlante Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2274-1072656242-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 01:09:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21275 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:09:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBT048g24569 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:04:08 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2274-1072656242-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 00:04:02 -0000 X-Sender: brian.rumary@virgin.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69236 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 00:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 00:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 00:04:01 -0000 Received: from virgin.net ([81.103.144.98]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031229000400.NICH281.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@virgin.net> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:04:00 +0000 X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.164.41 From: "B.Rumary" X-Yahoo-Profile: purnellsuk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:03:58 GMT Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Mystery 2-10-0 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 240 Duncan Cotterill wrote: > As always, Peter Clark's excellent "Locomotives in China" provided much > of the information above. Probably the best 2 I ever spent. > Yes a good book, but it could certainly do with a new version, as the old one is long out of print and very incomplete. For instance there is hardly anything about narrow gauge or industrial stuff, although to be fair much of this was unknown when he did the book. Does anyone know if Peter intends to do another version, or if anybody else has plans to do something similar? It would be a good idea if it came out _before_ all steam ends in China - I imagine potential sales would fall off pretty quickly when that sad day comes! Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2275-1072691495-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 10:56:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04759 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:55:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBT9pfg01720 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:51:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2275-1072691495-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 09:51:35 -0000 X-Sender: mbkmav@powerup.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44275 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 09:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 09:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smta10.mail.ozemail.net) (203.103.165.140) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 09:51:31 -0000 Received: from n8f1r1 ([210.84.80.243]) by smta10.mail.ozemail.net with SMTP id <20031229095000.LUZT24980.smta10.mail.ozemail.net@n8f1r1> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:50:00 +0000 Message-ID: <005701c3cdf2$7e36b4c0$f35054d2@n8f1r1> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.103.165.140 From: "Marilyn Beale" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:59:45 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New Zhun Dong photos Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 241 I really enjoyed your photos - thank you! Black and white looks fantatstic and enhances the starkness of the landscape and the beauty of the train. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "notenfrog" To: Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Zhun Dong photos > Hello all, > > Some great new B&W photos from Japan of a November visit to the Zhun > Dong railway are at: > > http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/ZhunDong3-1.htm > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2276-1072700362-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 13:36:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24819 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:36:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBTCJSg16995 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:19:29 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2276-1072700362-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 12:19:22 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61531 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 12:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 12:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 12:19:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 12:19:20 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701c3cdf2$7e36b4c0$f35054d2@n8f1r1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 213.115.110.8 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:19:18 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Zhun Dong photos Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 242 Glad you like the photos, but want to make sure you realize I didn't take them. I just ran across them while surfing Japanese web sites, and thought others might like to see them. If anyone knows who the photographer is, could you pass the compliment? Louis Cerny In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Beale" wrote: > I really enjoyed your photos - thank you! Black and white looks fantatstic > and enhances the starkness of the landscape and the beauty of the train. > Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "notenfrog" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:01 PM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Zhun Dong photos > > > > Hello all, > > > > Some great new B&W photos from Japan of a November visit to the Zhun > > Dong railway are at: > > > > http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/ZhunDong3-1.htm > > > > Louis Cerny Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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A few more notes on the use of the camera in the field: -Get the ridiculously-overpriced wide eyecap, it's essential in bright light, and creates a little "safe zone" around the eyepiece in really adverse conditions. -I cut off and threw away the Polar M2 insulated case lens cover after it came loose twice in the wind and spoiled some good shots flapping around. The airspace between the lens and its own plastic cap provides enough insulation when the camera is not in use. -I use a neutral filter to protect the lens from the barrage of grit and water during cab riding. However, clean it from time to time, since I've also had the autofocus focus on the grit rather than on the scene. Regards, John Diefenbach Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2278-1072712996-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 16:55:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15212 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:55:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBTFoog04845 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:50:50 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2278-1072712996-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 15:49:56 -0000 X-Sender: pcc7407@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9075 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 15:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 15:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out001.verizon.net) (206.46.170.140) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 15:49:53 -0000 Received: from computer ([141.156.169.247]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20031229154805.ZNBJ25266.out001.verizon.net@computer> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:48:05 -0600 Message-ID: <002801c3ce23$849d89c0$f7a99c8d@computer> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.169.247] at Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:48:05 -0600 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.140 From: "James Hutzler" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:50:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Zhun Dong photos Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 244 This page is from the Group Ryantou Japan web site, and most photos are by Futoshi.Sawaguchi, who many of us have had the pleasure to meet while in China over the past few years. To see the tons of their great stuff, go to the home page: http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/ Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "notenfrog" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Zhun Dong photos > Glad you like the photos, but want to make sure you realize I didn't > take them. I just ran across them while surfing Japanese web sites, > and thought others might like to see them. > > If anyone knows who the photographer is, could you pass the > compliment? > > Louis Cerny > > In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Beale" > wrote: > > I really enjoyed your photos - thank you! Black and white looks > fantatstic > > and enhances the starkness of the landscape and the beauty of the > train. > > Marilyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "notenfrog" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:01 PM > > Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Zhun Dong photos > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Some great new B&W photos from Japan of a November visit to the > Zhun > > > Dong railway are at: > > > > > > http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/ZhunDong3-1.htm > > > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2279-1072739757-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 00:20:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12228 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:20:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBTNGIg07772 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:16:18 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2279-1072739757-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2003 23:15:58 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25383 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 23:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 23:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 23:15:55 -0000 Received: from web2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031229231509.QYWK9030.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@web2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:15:09 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.75.62]) by web2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031229231554.KSCO9867.web2-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:15:54 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002801c3ce23$849d89c0$f7a99c8d@computer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.144 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:15:56 +1300 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Beipiao result Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 245 Dear John The special person whom I sent to Beipiao just returned: The mines are nearly dead and they seldom using diesels! So no steams at all at here! Once again, sending my best seasons greetings to you and Doreen! Zhang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zhang Xin Sheng" To: "Agnew John" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: Fw: [Steam_in_China] RE:BEIPIAO > Dear John and Doreen > Merry Xmas and happy New Year! > Chinese New Year Holiday is from Jan 21/28! > As for Beipiao: will go there and have a close look! > You will have a clear result for Beipiao before the end of Dec! > Once again, sending my best personal greetings to you and Doreen! > Zhang > ----- Original Message ----- > > Gidday Zhang, what do you know about these lines north from Beipiao? > > Still hoping to come to China March or April. When is Chinese New Year? > > Merry Xmas to you an family, Doreen and John ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2280-1072764962-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 07:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25292 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:19:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBU6G8g02014 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:16:09 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2280-1072764962-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2003 06:16:02 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29993 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 06:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 06:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-03.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 06:15:55 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-068-014.arcor-ip.net [145.254.68.14]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BFFB586410 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:15:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00d801c3ce9c$640ab830$0e44fe91@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.43 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:07:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway Timetable - members' views sought Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 246 Dear Duncan, I can provide the current Chinese A5 timetable book to you (instead of the pocket edition with some minor line are missing). If you're still looking for such a book, please let me know. Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Peattie To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway Timetable - members' views sought I am interested in obtaining opinions on an A5 format version of my Chinese Railway Timetable, to assist in planning for the next (April 2004) edition. To date I have published the timetable in A4 format as I have not had the capability to do otherwise. Whilst clear to read this makes the timetable larger than ideal for travelling. I have now produced, as an experiment, copies of the latest (October 2002) timetable in A5 format. The content of the timetable is identical; only the page size (and perforce the type size) has been reduced. In some cases the type size is smaller than I would prefer, but the advantage of convenience may outweigh this. I have posted a small (38kb) .pdf file as a sample of the timetable in A5 format. By printing it (two A5 pages on one A4 page) you will be able to judge if the type size is suitable for you. The type size on each page of the timetable varies in size to make maximum use of the available space. The sample shows the range of sizes currently used. The timetable remains available in A4 and .pdf formats. Please contact me off list to let me know your views, or if you have any questions about the A5 version (or the timetable in general). I always welcome feedback on any facet of the timetable to improve future editions. With best wishes, Duncan Peattie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2281-1072870665-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 12:40:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01057 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:40:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBVBbpg15915 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2281-1072870665-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 11:37:45 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63708 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 11:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 11:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep01-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.129) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 11:37:42 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.14]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20031231113740.MAGR3280.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:40 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20031231113740.MAGR3280.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 130.244.199.129 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [193.216.200.189] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:40 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Greeting from Tina (Wu Ri Na), Guide in Chifeng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 247 I am here forwarding a letter from Tina in Chifeng to all of you. Especially mentioned was Duncan Cotterill. Happy New Year of 2004.Everything prosperous in the year of 2004 for you. My new company name & address: Chifeng Youth Travel Service Add:Room 211 of Fuchang Hotel,West Section of Hada Street,Hongshan Dstrict,024000 ,Chifeng City,Inner Mongolia,China General Manager:Ma Xian Hong Assistant General Manager: Wu Ri Na (Tina) Email:Maxhe99@public.hh.nm.cn Email:123147123@163.com Mobile:136 0476 6979 Mobile:135 1476 1748 Tel/Fax:0086-476-8361779 If foreigners want to contact my company, I think it is better to go through my email or mobile, for the general manager knows nothing about English. My heartest greetings to all my friends from Norway,Germany,Britain,Austria,France,Swiss,Belgium,Danmark,Holland,Japan & America and New Zealand.Thank you all for your kindness.And wish all of you have a prosperous year of 2004. Happy New year! My plans in 2004,I'd like to be accquainted with more friends and still supply good service for all the steam fans.And I also plan a trip on my own to Germany in September 2004 for 4 weeks.I try to plan the itinerary in January 2004. Best regards Yours Tina ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2282-1072875936-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 14:10:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08572 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:10:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id hBVD5ig23605 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:05:44 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2282-1072875936-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 13:05:36 -0000 X-Sender: tyack@bakershill.freeserve.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47596 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 13:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2003 13:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 13:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2003 13:05:33 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "chinagricer" X-Originating-IP: 61.138.127.196 X-Yahoo-Profile: chinagricer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:05:32 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Zhungeer - FuXinCheng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 248 Best Wishes for 2004 to everyone! Now to the important bit! We are now at the end of our third day at Fuxincheng, thanks to Ron Olsen's report from earlier this month. For anyone who hasn't included this in their itinerary over the next 2-3 months, I would echo Ron's report that it is well worth a visit, but don't expect it to stay this way beyond March. 29/12 was a bit of a disaster. Having arrived at Fuxincheng at 11.45 after driving down from Hohhot (2 hours by road), we were greeted by 2 uphill freights in the space of 30 minutes, & that was the end of the day! Afternoon saw all 14 QJ on shed at Zhoujiawan & all in steam! 30/12 was an exceptionally busy day with 7 uphill freights in daylight (& this is mid-winter!). This was balanced by 3 downhill freights & 4 sets of light engines. All bar two (6946 & 6995 - 6946 appeared on 31/12, so 6995 is the only loco without line work so far) of the total allocation of 14 were in operation. Today 31/12 was an average day with just 5 uphill freights, balanced by 3 downhill freights & 2 sets of light engines. Generally the downhill pattern has been freight, light engines, freight, light engines ad infinitum. All uphill freights have been double QJ. Photographically there are possibilities, but only the third northern bridge at km29.3 offers real options after about 9.30am, until 2.30pm, when the opportunities in other areas are greater. However the poles at both ends of this bridge are impossible to disguise. For all other locations, you need an early uphill train within the first hour/90 minutes of daylight, unless, of course, you are into talking up harshly lit locos & trains into monster glints! Personally, I'm not! Thanks to Ron's map (which I have refined slightly) Fuxincheng was a doddle to find! It's also really nice to be back to the old days of friendly railway workers & crews with big beaming smiles, whenever you greet them. That's it for now. Mike Tyack Yahoo! 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Processed in 0.026106 secs); 01 Jan 2004 22:10:55 -0000 Received: from sand.pipeline.com.au (203.27.87.13) by wipeout.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 09:10:54 +1100 Received: (qmail 13655 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 09:10:54 +1100 Received: from ip57.pm3-5.gln.pipeline.com.au (HELO roger-gillard.pipeline.com.au) (210.8.31.216) by sand.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 09:10:54 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20040102090734.00b34718@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Sender: rgg@pop3.pipeline.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.27.87.49 From: Roger Gillard X-Yahoo-Profile: saditobi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:10:47 +1100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] OT Bachman SY model Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 249 Hi Guys, I've just been to the Bachman China website and at last there is an announcement that the SY's are now released. Price Yuan 1450, but something about a special deal of Yuan 1200 until march 2004. http://www.bachmannchina.com/news/news.asp Cheers, Roger ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2284-1073068413-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 19:36:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01800 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:36:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i02IXeg16393 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:33:40 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2284-1073068413-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2004 18:33:34 -0000 X-Sender: khojnacki@charter.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98482 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 18:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 18:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 18:33:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2004 18:33:32 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "ken hojnacki" X-Originating-IP: 165.189.154.67 X-Yahoo-Profile: kodtrak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:33:32 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Internet cafes and embarrassment Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 250 I have been spending time with a Mandarin tutor in preparation for my trip in March. When I mentioned Internet cafes and the wang Ba, she gave me a strange look and then explained. Wang Ba, when pronounced in correctly or even just the words with no other sentence context, means the equivalent of SOB here in the states. She said I would be safer asking for the hulianwang or yin te wang. The wang in these words means net and yin te wang is the pinyinization of In ter net. Now I know why the two women at the hotel in Chabuga looked at me strangely when I asked where the wang Ba was located. Eventually, the word email got the point across but maybe they were just insulted. Ken Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2285-1073134595-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 14:01:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18392 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:01:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i03Cufg26699 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:56:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2285-1073134595-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2004 12:56:35 -0000 X-Sender: tyack@bakershill.freeserve.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77777 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 12:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2004 12:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 12:56:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2004 12:56:34 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "chinagricer" X-Originating-IP: 219.159.40.136 X-Yahoo-Profile: chinagricer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:56:33 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Post-Christmas Diesel Working at Reshui Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 251 Greetings, everyone, from a warm, sunny Chabuga. I have watched with interest the messages posted since December 27 & am staggered that no mention has been made of the diesel working at Jingpeng shortly after Christmas. I cannot confirm the actual date, time or reason for this, as it has been reported to me second hand via a Japanese group. With the number of people at Reshui post-Christmas, complete silence. Does anyone know what the story is? Presumably this is another false alarm, or special working as 2 years ago? As an aside, only 1 diesel in operation today into Chabuga during daylight hours. Mike Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2286-1073136318-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 14:26:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19314 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:26:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i03DPOg28377 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:25:25 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2286-1073136318-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2004 13:25:19 -0000 X-Sender: alexgillieron@yahoo.fr X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51081 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 13:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2004 13:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 13:25:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040103132517.49462.qmail@web25203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.82.81.85] by web25203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 14:25:17 CET To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.12.10.63 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?alexandre=20gillieron?= X-Yahoo-Profile: alexgillieron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:25:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan - Dinosaurs still alive... Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id OAA19314 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 252 ...and quite estonished about the few serious steam reports in this forum... I visited Tongchuan with a small party from Dec 31 to Jan 2nd. 4 JF's still daily in steam with the Wangshiba line 100% steam ! It may be the best periode ever to visit Tongchuan. On each day, 3 trains worked the branch during daylight with approximate departures from Tongchuan Nan at 10:00, 12:00 and the last daylight train between 16:00 and 17:00. They were some more trains during the night as this is a 24h operation. All train are chimney first uphill and the other lines are no longer steam worked (luckily as there were too many uphill tender first working ...). It was a real delight, especially on Jan 2nd with splendid weather, to see these veterans hard working on the bank. Car chasing is no problem and the mine terminus at Wangshiba also offers some good photo opportunities. So to escape the Jingpeng circus and enjoy the last chinese JF's, it's NOW or never... Alexandre Gillieron --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Testez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2287-1073194771-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 06:41:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27861 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 06:41:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i045dcg02027 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 06:39:38 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2287-1073194771-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 05:39:32 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8622 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 05:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 05:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr24.hinet.net) (168.95.4.124) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 05:39:29 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-98-78.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.226.98.78]) by msr24.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07641 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:39:28 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <001801c3d286$139e06c0$4e62e23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20040102090734.00b34718@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.124 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:40:08 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] OT Bachman SY model Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 253 Hi Roger, Thanks for letting me know - I must email LeeKwon in HK. Cheers, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Gillard" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:10 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] OT Bachman SY model > Hi Guys, > I've just been to the Bachman China website and at last > there is an announcement that the SY's are now released. Price Yuan 1450, > but something about a special deal of Yuan 1200 until march 2004. > http://www.bachmannchina.com/news/news.asp > Cheers, > Roger > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- > Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2288-1073212815-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 11:41:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07759 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:41:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i04AeMg20337 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:40:22 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2288-1073212815-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 10:40:15 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92519 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 10:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 10:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12403.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.130) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 10:40:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040104104012.12957.qmail@web12403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.0.44.71] by web12403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:40:12 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.130 From: dave longman X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 02:40:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Internet cafes and embarrassment Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 254 Having just returned from China and having used the wang-ba at least once a day in seven different places I cannot understand why your tutor should suggest that wang-ba is not the correct term. Every Chinese I asked on the street immediately knew what I was looking for and a guide that I used for a couple of days certainly used the term freely and actually suggested we check something out at the 'wang-ba'. . I have a 'gif' posted on here by Bernd Seiler (I think) showing the Chinese characters - I showed these to people as well as saying the words - always a positive response. Perhaps your tutor is not up to 'street slang' in China or your pronunciation was slightly off - I will never master even the basic words of Mandarin for just that reason. I just use a Berlitz phrase book - always seems to work - show them the Chinese characters not try to pronounce!! David Longman --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2289-1073246681-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 21:07:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07359 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:07:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i04K4mg28115 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:04:48 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2289-1073246681-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 20:04:42 -0000 X-Sender: georgehart@tiscali.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88865 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 20:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2004 20:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 20:04:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2004 20:04:24 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "ghhart2000" X-Originating-IP: 80.225.213.239 X-Yahoo-Profile: ghhart2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:04:17 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] photo to reshui Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 255 Hi, Is there anybody visiting Reshui who would be willing to deliver a couple of photos to the keeper at the level crossing (km 514) behind the farm at the back of Reshui? I am sure he will give you a mug of tea and a warm-up by his stove. Please contact me off group if you can help. Thanks George Hart ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2290-1073271745-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 04:06:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24098 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 04:06:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0532Xg27024 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 04:02:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2290-1073271745-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 03:02:26 -0000 X-Sender: ronburk@dotnet.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92518 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 03:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 03:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamburg.dotnet.com) (216.127.196.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 03:02:23 -0000 Received: from ppp-371.max1.fdl.dyn.dotnet.com ([216.127.195.117] helo=ronkathy453) by hamburg.dotnet.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AdL0Y-0000sc-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 Jan 2004 21:02:23 -0600 Message-ID: <004301c3d338$cf649290$75c37fd8@ronkathy453> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.127.196.18 From: "Ron Burkhard" X-Yahoo-Profile: cbq4002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:05:43 -0600 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JF's Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 256 Where is Tongchuan where the JF's are working. 8 of us are going in March and would like to catch the "Dinosaurs" if possible. Nearest Large town/city would give us, a clue. Thanks Ron Burkhard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2291-1073288168-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 08:57:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08971 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:57:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i057aFg14543 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:36:15 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2291-1073288168-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 07:36:08 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2864 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 07:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 07:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 07:36:05 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AdPHQ-0000EI-0b for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 07:36:04 +0000 Message-ID: <002801c3d35e$9019c3a0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: <004301c3d338$cf649290$75c37fd8@ronkathy453> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.217.242.86 From: "mr" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:35:58 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] JF's Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 257 80k north east of Xian MR ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Burkhard To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:05 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] JF's Where is Tongchuan where the JF's are working. 8 of us are going in March and would like to catch the "Dinosaurs" if possible. Nearest Large town/city would give us, a clue. Thanks Ron Burkhard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2292-1073305292-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 13:35:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22767 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:35:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i05CLfg21519 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:21:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2292-1073305292-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 12:21:32 -0000 X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95110 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 12:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 12:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.245.19) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:21:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 04:21:31 -0800 Received: from 217.35.126.52 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:21:31 GMT X-Originating-Email: [awbeard@hotmail.com] X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Cc: steam@onetel.net.uk Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 12:21:31.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[738FD3F0:01C3D386] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.245.19 From: "alan walter beard" X-Originating-IP: [217.35.126.52] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:21:31 +0000 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Post-Christmas Diesel Working at Reshui Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 258 Gentlemen, Perhaps this is DF4D 4054 going home to Baiqi after 'a spell' at Zhelimu? As always, the truth will make for interesting reading Thanks Alan ============================================================ >From: "chinagricer" >Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Steam_in_China] Post-Christmas Diesel Working at Reshui >Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:56:33 -0000 > > >Greetings, everyone, from a warm, sunny Chabuga. I have watched with >interest the messages posted since December 27 & am staggered that no >mention has been made of the diesel working at Jingpeng shortly after >Christmas. I cannot confirm the actual date, time or reason for this, >as it has been reported to me second hand via a Japanese group. > >With the number of people at Reshui post-Christmas, complete silence. > >Does anyone know what the story is? Presumably this is another false >alarm, or special working as 2 years ago? > >As an aside, only 1 diesel in operation today into Chabuga during >daylight hours. > >Mike > _________________________________________________________________ Send a funky MSN Messenger Christmas card http://www.msn.co.uk/christmascard Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2293-1073318998-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 17:13:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22223 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:13:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i05GA6g15649 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:10:07 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2293-1073318998-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 16:09:59 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79233 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 16:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 16:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 16:09:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 16:09:56 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 62.254.32.4 X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:09:55 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Christmas 2003 trip report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 259 Following comments about trip reports - my adventures in Northern China can be found at www.geocities.com/lightweight_brother/Trip_Report_China_Christmas_2003 .html if you are interested. Dave Longman Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2294-1073328215-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 19:47:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05724 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:47:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i05Ihig32028 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:43:45 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2294-1073328215-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 18:43:37 -0000 X-Sender: ronburk@dotnet.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15105 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 18:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 18:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamburg.dotnet.com) (216.127.196.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 18:43:34 -0000 Received: from ppp-185.max1.fdl.dyn.dotnet.com ([216.127.194.185] helo=ronkathy453) by hamburg.dotnet.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AdZhM-0003tn-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:43:33 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c3d3bc$4a6ff730$b9c27fd8@ronkathy453> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.127.196.18 From: "Ron Burkhard" X-Yahoo-Profile: cbq4002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:46:54 -0600 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Fu Xin Cheng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 260 Gentlemen, Is Fu Xin Cheng the same as Fuxin, (perhaps a suburb) or is it a different place, and if so, where. Thanks, Ron Burkhard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2295-1073329978-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 20:18:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08176 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:17:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i05JD6g02922 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:13:06 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2295-1073329978-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 19:12:59 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17190 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:12:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 19:12:04 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c3d3bc$4a6ff730$b9c27fd8@ronkathy453> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:12:03 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Fu Xin Cheng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 261 Fu Xin Cheng is on the Zhungeer line. Ronald olsen found it to be an excellent place on the line still without poles - see this forum, Dec 3. I can confirm it was still without poles when I visited on Dec 14. I used the taxi driver mentioned by Ronald, and can confirm he starts the day with empty stomach & fuel tank but he knows how to find the place! ameling --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Burkhard" wrote: > Gentlemen, > Is Fu Xin Cheng the same as Fuxin, (perhaps a suburb) or is it a different place, and if so, where. > Thanks, > Ron Burkhard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2296-1073331737-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 20:48:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10286 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:48:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i05JgPg05598 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:42:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2296-1073331737-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2004 19:42:18 -0000 X-Sender: ulrich.nowak@freenet.lu X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70754 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 19:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO luna5.vo.lu) (80.90.45.19) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:42:15 -0000 Received: from (unverified [80.90.45.18]) by luna5.vo.lu (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.277) with SMTP id ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: To: X-Mailer: VO Webmail 2.7.4 In-Reply-To: X-Client-IP: 62.246.192.48 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 80.90.45.19 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: ulrichnowak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:42:24 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Post-Christmas Diesel Working at Reshui Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 262 Hello, after having spent 4 days in Chabuga (unfortunately with plenty of diesel activities to Zhelimu) and Lindong I stayed in Reshui from December 25th to 29th. I cannot confirm having seen any diesel working in Reshui or Jingpeng, neither did I hear about it. The only thing I noted was an (unidentified) blue-creme livered Diesel (rather than the green livered Diesels in Chabuga) travelling in the middle of a steam hauled westbound freight train (QJ 6773 + 6751) on December 29th. Diesel engine was clearly shut off , however, there was a crew in the cabin. Hope this is of help Uli chinagricer said: > > > > >
> Greetings, everyone, from a warm, sunny Chabuga. I have watched with
> interest the messages posted since December 27 & am staggered that no
> mention has been made of the diesel working at Jingpeng shortly after
> Christmas. I cannot confirm the actual date, time or reason for this,
> as it has been reported to me second hand via a Japanese group.
>
> With the number of people at Reshui post-Christmas, complete silence.
>
> Does anyone know what the story is? Presumably this is another false
> alarm, or special working as 2 years ago?
>
> As an aside, only 1 diesel in operation today into Chabuga during
> daylight hours.
>
> Mike
>
> > > > >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2297-1073413145-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 20:09:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16643 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:09:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i06IJDg03028 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:19:57 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2297-1073413145-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 18:19:05 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26197 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 18:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 18:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.177) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 18:19:03 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AdvnC-0003cr-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:19:02 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AdvnC-0008Rx-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:19:02 +0100 Message-ID: <3FFAFC13.E608A9D6@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.177 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:18:59 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chabuga, Dengta, Yanghjiazhangzi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 263 Hello all, some brief infos: 1) Dengta-Huazi: There are two companies operating trains here: the system at Huazi North has got 2 SYs (1 in use) but generates only very little traffic (one or no train per day). The Southern system owns 3 SYs. As the coal mines at the far end of the line shut down somewhen in autuum 2003, there is no longer any traffic here!! The 3 SY are stored at an industrial compound near the southern depot, covered by blue platic covering in order to protect them against the waether. Staff said, that the coal mines might reopen in February (rumor only!) and traffic resume then. This is why the SY have not been sold or scrapped yet. Given the current amount of traffic, I can only recommand not to visit the system! Wasted time if you are looking for working steam! 2) Chabuga: According to Chabuga`s log book, 4 different DF4s were in use during the last days of December (including 0444, 0549, 0658). Fortunately, they predominately worked during nighttime. Only 1 or 2 non-QJ trains during daylight hours had to be observed. Staff at Chabuga indicated, that Chabuga-Zhelimu will be completely diesel worked with effect from January 20th 2004 ! 3) Huludao-Yangjiazhangzi A fixed timetable for the freight trains exists (very, very reliable departure time! Trains leave "on the minute"!): 05:30 Huludao - Yangjiazhangzi appr. 06:30-07:00 11:00 Yangjiazhangzi - Huludao appr. 12:00 13:30 Huludao - Yangjiazhangzi appr. 14:30-15:00 return dep from Yangjiazhangzi somewhen after darkness (maybe 19:00 if the railway works on a "every 8-hours-a-train" pattern of operation ???) More information within the next two weeks in my full report (including Meihekou Coal Rlwy., Nanpiao Passenger Timetable). 4) Regarding latest discussions about Beipiao: in March 2000, I observed two SYs at Beipiao, working the short branch line between Beipiao station and the adjacent power plant. I did not see any SY during my March 2001 again! The branch line from Luotuoying northwards to the coal mines were worked by CNR QJs. So, they should be DF4 or DF5 worked now. 5) Current JiTong diesel observations: the DF4D seen in a Haoluku bound freight on Dec 29th was Baiqi`s DF4D. So, nothing to be concerned about. More "dangerous" for Baiqi: Another Haoluku bound freight on Jan 1st contained two brandnew green DF4Bs. As far as I know, CNR no longer buys DF4Bs. So, they must be destined for a local railway somewehere around Jining, Datong, Baotou etc.... (Another 2 DF4Bs for Baiqi would be sufficient to eliminate remaining steam workings between Baiqi and Benhong. This could lead to longest steam train run to be truncated to 538km Baiqi-Chabuga shortly!) Best regards, Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2298-1073429231-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 00:02:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03225 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:02:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i06MlIg27402 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:47:18 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2298-1073429231-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 22:47:11 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48881 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 22:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 22:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 22:47:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2004 22:47:08 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <72429060-393B-11D8-AADE-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.8.60 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 22:47:08 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: December Trip Report Published Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 264 Duncan Cotterill Congratulations on your Nanpiao photos. The picture titled "SY 1478 departs Zhaojiatun" captures for me the essence of the Nanpiao system - the industry, the mountains, the "weathered-in" look, and the hard working SY's. Seeing great photos like this make the efforts in discovering the system seem especially worth while. Louis Cerny --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Duncan Cotterill wrote: > The illustrated report from my latest trip to China is available at: > > http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts/index.htm > > Note the new website address. > > Incidentally, in reply to earlier queries, my IBM Microdrive worked > perfectly in sub-zero temperatures. However, there are concerns about > the robustness of these devices and I echo the remarks that CF cards > are a better bet. > > Enjoy the report, > > Duncan Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2299-1073479090-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 13:41:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14481 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:41:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i07CcGg00773 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:38:16 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2299-1073479090-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 12:38:10 -0000 X-Sender: tyack@bakershill.freeserve.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70123 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 12:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 12:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 12:38:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 12:38:09 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "chinagricer" X-Originating-IP: 219.159.45.3 X-Yahoo-Profile: chinagricer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:38:08 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chabuga/Retiming of JiTong Diesel Railcar Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 265 3 days at Chabuga, 3-5 January, produced only 1 uphill diesel hauled freight during daylight hours. On both 4 & 5 Jan, only return workings to Zhelimu at 7.05 (on both 4 & 5 Jan) & 10.40 (on 5 Jan) were DF4. Stacks of eastbound traffic at almost hourly intervals. The Railcar is apparently now daily from Jan 1 & has been retimed as follows:- A262/3 Hohhot 11.00 Jiningnan 13.11/23 Baiqi 17.39/1800 Haolouku 20.40/53 Jingpeng 21.55/22.05 Galadesitai 23.21.26 Daban 00.50/01.02 Lindong 02.19/27 Chabuga 03.20/29 Tongliao 06.35 A261/4 Tongliao 13.55 Chabuga 17.14/29 Lindong 18.22/35 Daban 19.52/20.06 Galadesitai 21.26/31 Jingpeng 22.33/43 Haolouku 23.45/00.06 Baiqi 02.41/53 Jiningnan 06.48/07.00 Hohhot 09.05 Needless to say this could all change again soon! Temperatures at Reshui have dropped like a stone in the last 24 hours. Stacks of traffic, but a snow-free zone (virtually!) Mike Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2300-1073496649-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 18:35:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21033 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:35:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.85]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i07HUug30019 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:30:57 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2300-1073496649-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 17:30:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 23916 invoked by uid 7800); 7 Jan 2004 17:30:49 -0000 X-Sender: steverogers1@btinternet.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51379 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 16:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 16:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO protactinium.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.176) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 16:55:28 -0000 Received: from [213.122.83.200] (helo=mr) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AeGxq-0005Cz-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:55:26 +0000 Message-ID: <045301c3d53f$494c50e0$c8537ad5@roger> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.73.73.176 From: "steverogers1" X-Yahoo-Profile: steverogers60055 X-eGroups-Approved-By: fm765083 via email; 7 Jan 2004 17:30:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:57:06 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Brief notes - 21/12 to 03/01 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 266 (Excuse spelling if not correct!) 21/12 Afternoon Beijing area - Wagon Works SY0732 shunting, Limestone line - Nos 2 & 3 continually shuttling up and down. 22/12 to 26/12 - Zhungeer 14 QJ's continually in steam and all active! Line would appear to be "empties driven", however some movements at the far end of the line have to be seen to be believed (Buggleskelly or The Great St Trinians Train Robbery came to mind)! Can be long periods of relative inactivity and no regular pattern to working. Only approx km 29 to 34 not poled at all. Rest poled to end except for loops and viaducts. Apparently poling may have stopped due to it being too cold to plant poles?! Latter part of 2004 for completion? At far end all locos are turned on the triangle at Hushi, no turning facilities at Loading point which has a large siding complex (only seen in darkness - but definitely hell on earth). Hushi is only approx 5km from the loading point. All locos appear to water at FuXinCheng both ways although there is a column at Hushi but I did not see any loco use it. JiTong 26/12 to 2/1 Diesels working on Chabuga-Zhelimu section in addition to QJ but NOT towards Daban. Apparently hired from China Rail due to increased traffic on line and insufficient QJ's. Ignoring the "express" railcars, rest of line from Chabuga to Haoluku 100% Steam and Stopping Passengers Steam throughout from Benhong to Zhelimu. On 1/1 a freight over the pass from Daban towards Haoluku had two (refurbished?) DF4's included in its consist! I celebrated the New Year (China Time) at Shandian behind 6840 and returned on 6992! 3/1 Morning. Pingzhuang. A number of SY's seen active plus JS 5758 3/1 Afternoon. Yuanbaoshan. 4 JS in steam. Passenger and two freight workings seen. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2301-1073502767-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 20:15:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28992 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:15:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i07JD0g07319 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:13:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2301-1073502767-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2004 19:12:53 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17555 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 19:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 19:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 19:12:42 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.60]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040107191220.NPLC29762.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:12:20 +0000 To: Steam_In_China ~ Message-Id: <70361ACE-4145-11D8-9C59-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.42 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:12:29 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Website Changes Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 267 I've put a couple of new maps on my site: Chabuga and Pingzhuang both drawn by Bryan Acford. Note, there are instructions on the maps page for those of you who've had difficulty printing them in the past. Go to http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts and click on the Maps link. There are also a couple of new photos in the Feb-Mar 2003 Weihe photoset and I've cleaned up all the other Weihe and Tiefa pictures some of which were a bit muddy. Everything has now been transferred from the original freespace.virgin.net site to the new location. Please relink to the new site http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts. The original site will be removed at the end of the month. Regards, Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 268 Alexandre You have copped a great reversal of what one large English group who were there before me, & got little in the way of steam working. I got there 22 November at 1200hrs and 2xJF at station waiting, & 2xJf with banked fires at station stabling point next to the dumped JF.At around 1530 the two at the station went to the main stabling point & that was it for the day. Over the next two days a train went up the hill at around 0630. On 23/11 thats all. 24/11 had one leave in the morning & one at 1500. I Linked up with Ron Olsen & Mike LePlatte on the 22-23 & they will confirm what I have said. Ron spoke to loco crews & they confrimed that steam would finnish in 2004., & the 2xJF's next to the dumped one were for stand by use only. Watching the pattern of traffic over the 3 days, steam was only used when a diesel did not get back in time to take the empties to the mine. The diesels took up empties & returned Light engine for the next rake. On the basis of what we observed, & how littel steam activity occured, along with the crews comments, you did not need a great University degree to see that the JF's were living on a short string. If you got the trains with steam, that's great I admit to being jealous, but, I called it as I saw it, & as it was reported at the time. I can do no more. I would love to go back but, I doubt if they'll last Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2303-1073638896-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 10:05:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27516 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:05:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0991gg22882 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:01:43 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2303-1073638896-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 09:01:36 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45996 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 09:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 09:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 09:01:33 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AesWJ-000OPo-0W for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:01:32 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c3d68f$2bd0afb0$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.217.242.90 From: "mr" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:01:28 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan - Dinosaurs still alive... Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 269 I think the use of steam is very variable at Tongchuan I have been there a couple of times and the number of steam hauled trains up the valley to Wangshiwa varied from 4 in daylight to none at all. I think like all colliery systems there are several variables that dictate this: arrival of empties at Tongchuan Nan, output from Wangshiwa, use of diesels to the other pits (the less traffic there, the more spare diesel time for the Wangshiwa branch) etc etc Of course steam is on a very tenuous thread in Tongchuan, but if one reads reports from 1999 by Rob Dickinson, the steam traffic was very variable then too. Michael Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan - Dinosaurs still alive... > Alexandre > > You have copped a great reversal of what one large English group who > were there before me, & got little in the way of steam working. > > I got there 22 November at 1200hrs and 2xJF at station waiting, & 2xJf > with banked fires at station stabling point next to the dumped JF.At > around 1530 the two at the station went to the main stabling point & > that was it for the day. > > Over the next two days a train went up the hill at around 0630. On > 23/11 thats all. 24/11 had one leave in the morning & one at 1500. > > I Linked up with Ron Olsen & Mike LePlatte on the 22-23 & they will > confirm what I have said. Ron spoke to loco crews & they confrimed > that steam would finnish in 2004., & the 2xJF's next to the dumped one > were for stand by use only. > > Watching the pattern of traffic over the 3 days, steam was only used > when a diesel did not get back in time to take the empties to the mine. > The diesels took up empties & returned Light engine for the next rake. > > On the basis of what we observed, & how littel steam activity occured, > along with the crews comments, you did not need a great University > degree to see that the JF's were living on a short string. > > If you got the trains with steam, that's great I admit to being > jealous, but, I called it as I saw it, & as it was reported at the > time. I can do no more. I would love to go back but, I doubt if > they'll last > > Colin Hussey > > ________________________________________________________ > > GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month > Unlimited Downloads > Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! > http://www.goconnect.com.au > *Terms and Conditions Apply. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2304-1073643197-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 11:29:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09488 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:29:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i09ADOg32533 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:13:24 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2304-1073643197-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 10:13:18 -0000 X-Sender: tyack@bakershill.freeserve.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89888 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 10:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 10:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 10:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 10:13:15 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "chinagricer" X-Originating-IP: 219.159.43.200 X-Yahoo-Profile: chinagricer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:13:13 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chabuga/JiTong Freight Workings Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 270 Further to Florian's posting about complete dieselisation of Chabuga- Zhelimu, we have been given a date of April 1, also from railway staff! So it looks like a case of pick any date in 2004, & when it happens, it will happen! To be added to Florian's list of working DF4 at this end is a very battered 0563, noted on 5/1 on the 10.40 Chabuga-Zhelimu. The cutter's torch would be doing this one (& us) a big favour. DF4's continue to appear dead in freights at Jingpeng. The 7.50 from Daban today had one tucked away in front of the guards van. Sorry I didn't get close enough to record any details. Does anyone know what the new freight numbering system denotes? We now have 83xxx series eastbound & 86xxx westbound. It was easy when we only had to contend with 228xx & 441xx! What is the difference? Mike Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2305-1073647830-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 13:11:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25755 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:11:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i09BUbg10246 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:30:37 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2305-1073647830-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 11:30:30 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54402 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 11:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 11:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 11:30:28 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HR7ZYO00.1V3 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:30:24 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:30:24 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] OT Bachman SY model Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 271 Roger Not being able to speak/read Chinese I cannot find the bit mentioned re the special available till end of March. I note on Lee Kwon Hobbies Company's webb page they are advertising them for HK$1500,00. However I note on Bachman China's what seems to be a price of HK$1450.00. Can anyone else shed some light on the special offer mentioned Colin Hussey ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Gillard Date: Friday, January 2, 2004 9:10 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] OT Bachman SY model > > > > > Hi Guys, > > I've just been to the Bachman China website and at > last > > there is an announcement that the SY's are now released. Price > Yuan 1450, > > but something about a special deal of Yuan 1200 until march 2004. > > > http://www.bachmannchina.com/news/news.asp > Cheers, > > Roger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Roger and Gwyn Gillard > rgg@pipeline.com.au > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2306-1073772675-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 23:15:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07052 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:15:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0AMBLg17431 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:11:22 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2306-1073772675-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2004 22:11:15 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23795 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 22:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 22:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 22:11:12 -0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20040110220958.XXGC4468.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz>; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:09:58 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.159.60]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20040110221107.LMMM9271.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a>; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:11:07 +1300 To: "Jeremy Wainwright" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.146 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:11:07 +1300 Subject: [Steam_in_China] FW: Ecuador 2004 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 272 Jeremy here's the rest of it. As I have only been up as far as Alausi, I like his itinerary very much! If China is a no go then this is for me. John -----Original Message----- From: stuart lovell [mailto:stuartlovell@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 3:47 a.m. To: John Agnew Subject: Ecuador 2004 Hi John: Here is a 'fact pack' for Ecuador. Dates are July 17 (Saturday) to get to Quito - tour proper starts the next day. The tour proper finishes back in Quito on the morning of July 28 (Wednesday) after traveling by autoferro from Riobamba to Quito on Tuesday July 27 (Wednesday). With the dollar in free fall, the on-the-ground price is now less than 1,500 pounds. The 2004 steam itinerary is devoted entirely to the mountain section (Sibambe - Alausi - Palmira - Guamote - Riobamba - Urbina). In 2003 we spent a total of six and a half days on this section, but in 2004 we will spend eight days here. We spend a total of three days on the Guamote - Riobamba section - twice going north and once going south. This is not well covered on most tours, but there are many superb locations on the section from Guamote up to the lake at Colta. Various folks are planning to add extensions - to stay on in Quito / visit Galapagos / etc. The folks I deal with in Quito (the Meneses brothers) can set this up for you if you wish. I will send you a few pics from 2003, but I suspect you know what a delight the railroad is. It took a lot of work to sort out the 2003 tour - about six weeks prior to the tour I went down to Ecuador for a whole week to make sure everything would be set up properly. The results were worth it - over 120 runpasts, and a good time had by all. You probably remember Bill and Kate Botkin from Esquel, and Peter Breeze also. They were all on the 2003 tour. If you want an independent opinion of how it all went then get in touch with them. webotkin@ecentral.com peter.breeze@ic24.net I think I have Ecuador cracked now! But this will be my last hurrah - too many other things I want to get on to (including Eritrea!). Stuart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2307-1073844499-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 19:10:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27798 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:10:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0BI8Pg10551 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:08:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2307-1073844499-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 18:08:19 -0000 X-Sender: davidk@brocross.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15896 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 18:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 18:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dolphin.esosoft.net) (66.113.66.14) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 18:08:18 -0000 Received: from host81-128-83-96.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.128.83.96] helo=Uncle-Staveley) by dolphin.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Afk0X-0002ty-L0 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:08:18 -0800 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4001910F.25816.1C1BD1E@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.113.66.14 From: "David Kitching" X-Yahoo-Profile: davidkbrocross MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:08:15 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Battery charging Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id TAA27798 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 273 I am intending to visit China later this year and was wondering about how I am going to recharge camera batteries. This is obviously a problem that has been solved by many of those on this list and I would welcome advice about what equipment I need to acquire to allow me to charge from Chinese sockets. Cheers, -- David Kitching http://www.brocross.com fearrmeox adla brgen Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2308-1073847476-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 20:12:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01476 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:12:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0BIw4g14640 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:58:04 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2308-1073847476-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 18:57:58 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72553 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 18:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 18:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 18:57:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 18:57:46 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4001910F.25816.1C1BD1E@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:57:46 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Battery charging Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id UAA01476 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 274 The standard European plug works fine (two round plugs) in the socket usually provided for the television set in your room. Alternatively, a plug with two flat pins holds even better. By the way, power cuts are rare & never during the night. ameling --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "David Kitching" wrote: > I am intending to visit China later this year and was wondering about how I am going > to recharge camera batteries. This is obviously a problem that has been solved by > many of those on this list and I would welcome advice about what equipment I need to > acquire to allow me to charge from Chinese sockets. > > Cheers, > -- > David Kitching > http://www.brocross.com > fearrmeox adla brgen ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2309-1073852180-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 21:21:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06013 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:21:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0BKGRg20911 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:16:29 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2309-1073852180-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 20:16:20 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17092 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 20:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 20:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 20:16:18 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.60]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040111201608.NSOR7307.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:16:08 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4001910F.25816.1C1BD1E@localhost> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.41 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:16:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Battery charging Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id VAA06013 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 275 David, I assume from your e-mail address that you are UK based. If so, it's easy - you just use your normal charger with a travel adaptor which you can buy at the airport if you can't find one anywhere else (Try any large Boots, WH Smith etc). Chinese mains is the same voltage and frequency as the UK. Duncan On Sunday, Jan 11, 2004, at 18:08 Europe/London, David Kitching wrote: > I am intending to visit China later this year and was wondering about > how I am going > to recharge camera batteries. This is obviously a problem that has > been solved by > many of those on this list and I would welcome advice about what > equipment I need to > acquire to allow me to charge from Chinese sockets. > > Cheers, > -- > David Kitching > http://www.brocross.com > fearrmeox adla brgen > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2310-1073854211-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 22:00:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08331 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:00:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0BKoIg23353 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:50:18 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2310-1073854211-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2004 20:50:11 -0000 X-Sender: davidk@brocross.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30369 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 20:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2004 20:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dolphin.esosoft.net) (66.113.66.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 20:50:09 -0000 Received: from host81-128-83-96.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.128.83.96] helo=Uncle-Staveley) by dolphin.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AfmXA-000681-Ha for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:50:09 -0800 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4001B6FF.23001.255ED94@localhost> Priority: normal References: <4001910F.25816.1C1BD1E@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.113.66.14 From: "David Kitching" X-Yahoo-Profile: davidkbrocross MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:50:07 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Battery charging Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id WAA08331 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 276 On 11 Jan 2004 at 20:16, Duncan Cotterill wrote: > David, > > I assume from your e-mail address that you are UK based. If so, it's > easy - you just use your normal charger with a travel adaptor which you > can buy at the airport if you can't find one anywhere else (Try any > large Boots, WH Smith etc). Chinese mains is the same voltage and > frequency as the UK. Thanks Duncan and also to Ameling for your responses. I was unable to pin down the Chinese standard domestic voltage but your response confirms matters. Regards, -- David Kitching http://www.brocross.com fearrmeox adla brgen ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2311-1073897335-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 10:03:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16685 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:03:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0C8n2g07342 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:49:02 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2311-1073897335-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 08:48:55 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75871 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 08:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 08:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 08:48:54 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HRDCHF00.44S for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:48:51 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:48:51 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] OT Bachman SY model Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 277 RE the Sy & special price. I emailed Bachman China & recieved the follwoing reply Dear Colin: The special price of SY is especial price for China market and only effective use in our own shop for our club member. Regards Rick Li Has anyone purchased models on the mainland ie Shanghai or BJ as against Hong Kong, if so, does it work out cheaper on the mainland? Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Processed in 0.025712 secs); 12 Jan 2004 11:44:13 -0000 Received: from sand.pipeline.com.au (203.27.87.13) by wipeout.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 22:44:13 +1100 Received: (qmail 19731 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 22:44:12 +1100 Received: from ip03.pm3-2.gln.pipeline.com.au (HELO roger-gillard.pipeline.com.au) (210.8.31.34) by sand.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 22:44:12 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20040112224122.02ae58e8@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Sender: rgg@pop3.pipeline.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.27.87.49 From: Roger Gillard X-Yahoo-Profile: saditobi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:44:06 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] OT Bachman SY model Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 278 At 07:48 PM 12/01/2004 +1100, you wrote: >RE the Sy & special price. > >I emailed Bachman China & recieved the follwoing reply > >Dear Colin: > >The special price of SY is especial price for China market and only >effective use in our own shop for our club member. > >Regards > >Rick Li > >Has anyone purchased models on the mainland ie Shanghai or BJ as >against Hong Kong, if so, does it work out cheaper on the mainland? > >Colin Hussey Colin, I have bought in Beijing. Got my Df11 at the old BJ model shop for Y500 (quite some years ago now) and in Feb last year I found the Bachman !? shop in BJ. I didn't buy anything but they had good stock for the listed price. Maybe it is possible to bargain a bit. Remember the Chinese Yuan is worth a bit less than the HK $. Cheers, Roger >________________________________________________________ > >GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month >Unlimited Downloads >Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! >http://www.goconnect.com.au >*Terms and Conditions Apply. > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2313-1073908405-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 13:03:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17203 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:03:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0CBrXg31574 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:53:33 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2313-1073908405-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 11:53:27 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48899 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 11:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 11:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 11:53:25 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HRDL0Y00.47Y for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:53:22 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:53:22 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] OT Bachman SY model Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 279 Roger Thanks for that, I am hoping to go over next month, & will be trying the BJ shop for a couple of QJ's as well as one SY. Is the BJ shop the same one that has been qquoted on the site npt that far from BJ north Station, it has a picture of Hans Schaefer in front also a map was shown. The street is Zaojumnao Lu near the China Software BLD. Colin ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2314-1073931708-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 19:27:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03522 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:27:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0CILsg06994 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:21:55 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2314-1073931708-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2004 18:21:48 -0000 X-Sender: brian.rumary@virgin.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87345 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 18:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2004 18:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 18:21:46 -0000 Received: from virgin.net ([81.101.64.245]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040112182145.JJBL12372.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@virgin.net> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:21:45 +0000 X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4001B6FF.23001.255ED94@localhost> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.164.41 From: "B.Rumary" X-Yahoo-Profile: purnellsuk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:21:43 GMT Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Battery charging Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 280 David Kitching wrote: > I was unable to pin down the Chinese standard domestic voltage but your response > confirms matters. > Most modern chargers are "multi-voltage" - that is they will adapt themselves to anything from 110 - 250v. The same applies to other "mobile" electrical gadgets, such as electric shavers, laptops, etc. Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2315-1073976288-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 07:47:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07100 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:47:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0D6isg02110 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:44:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2315-1073976288-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 06:44:48 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10042 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 06:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 06:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.176) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 06:44:47 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AgIIB-0000hU-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:44:47 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AgIIA-0003PT-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: <400393DB.BDEE1BDA@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.176 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:44:43 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 281 Hello, just want to tell you, that my latest report is online now including: * Meihekou Coal Railway * Full Tiefa Timetable * Huludao Timetable * Full Nanpiao Timetable http://www.qj-country.de/news Best regards, Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2315-1073976288-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 07:47:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07100 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:47:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0D6isg02110 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:44:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2315-1073976288-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 06:44:48 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10042 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 06:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 06:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.176) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 06:44:47 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AgIIB-0000hU-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:44:47 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AgIIA-0003PT-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: <400393DB.BDEE1BDA@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.176 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:44:43 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 282 Hello, just want to tell you, that my latest report is online now including: * Meihekou Coal Railway * Full Tiefa Timetable * Huludao Timetable * Full Nanpiao Timetable http://www.qj-country.de/news Best regards, Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2316-1074016783-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 19:05:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04666 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:05:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0DI1Gg14325 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:01:19 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2316-1074016783-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 18:01:02 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29501 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 17:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 17:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.147) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 17:59:39 -0000 Received: from web2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20040113175938.NDZA23908.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@web2-rme.xtra.co.nz>; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:59:38 +1300 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.160.131]) by web2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20040113175937.OCXU9867.web2-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a>; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:59:37 +1300 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <281372DD93CC8749A03C99F6467FA21401335B96@NZURC900PEX1.ubsgs.ubsgroup.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.147 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:59:39 +1300 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] FW: Ecuador 2004 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 283 Dear Jakob et al, I pressed the wrong button somehow? and my mail to "My Anzac Bunch" went instead to the "Steam in China" group. Sorry folks. Jakob (and others) if you want to join the Ecuador trip then Stuart Lovell's email address is : stuartlovell@earthlink.net ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2317-1074028718-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 22:25:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18946 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:25:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0DLIjg01189 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:18:46 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2317-1074028718-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 21:18:39 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42096 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 21:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 21:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 21:18:37 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-000-202.arcor-ip.net [212.144.0.202]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 51CBC64CBD1 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:18:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004d01c3da1a$cfe56cb0$ca0090d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.42 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:18:35 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] The next loss: Heibaoshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 284 Hi all together, Sorry for disturbing you while discussing about batteries, outlets, Bachmann models and other important things concerning China ;-) Sad news from Heibaoshan - Nenjiang. They stopped steam service in November 2003. All diesel now. For those who like to see steam there, I still see a chance on Feb 8th/9th. I try to arrange a normal freight with JS (and the possibility to travel in the van). If anybody is interested (just on cost sharing basis, can't be much because we have already 24 who will share the expenses), please contact me off-list. For those who are interested in North Korea too, I prepared a list with the places with normal steam operation including maps. Seems to be we have to go to the border cities in China again! The report is under trip reports. There is a link from the first page to the report. Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2318-1074032151-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 23:43:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24374 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:42:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0DMH9g05874 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:17:50 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2318-1074032151-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 22:15:53 -0000 X-Sender: ulrich.nowak@freenet.lu X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25672 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 22:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2004 22:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 22:15:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2004 22:15:45 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "ulrichnowak" X-Originating-IP: 62.246.199.189 X-Yahoo-Profile: ulrichnowak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:15:44 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chabuga/Lindong/Reshui_Christmas2003 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 285 Hello, just a brief report on what I saw during my stay in that area from dec 21st to dec 29th: 21.12 Tongliao/Zhelimu/Chabuga Not a single QJ Freight noted while riding steam hauled passenger from Zhelimu to Chabuga 22.12. Chabuga (to Zhelimu) QJ 6729, freight uphill (i.e. westbound) at 10:35 crossing viaduct before chabuga (the only uphill QJ hauled train noted on that section during my stay!) DF4 (?) westbound freight early afternoon DF4 0658 freight eastbound at around 16:30 2 QJ (6351,6729)eastbound freights, around midday and early afternoon Passenger eastbound QJ 7048, westbound 7038 23.12. Chabuga (Zhelimu and Daban section) Even lower traffic level... No steam hauled uphill freight during daylight :o(( Passenger eastbound QJ 7048, westbound 7038 (again..) Passenger on Daban/Chabuga Section (eastbound) QJ 7010 2 eastbound and 1 westbound DF4 freights (0658, ? ,0549) At around 13.30 QJ 6825 left Chabuga for Daban with heavy freight 24.12. Chabuga (Daban and Zhelimu section) QJ 6729 beforeLindong (westbound) at 09:38 QJ 7010 leaving Lindong with passenger (eastbound) at 10:20 QJ 6(?) befopre Lindong (big curve, westbound) at 11:00 QJ 7119 leaving Chabuga with eastbound freight at 14:00 QJ 7038 before Chabuga with westbound passenger at 16:05 25.12. Lindong (Daban section) QJ 6978 arriving Daban Yard with westbound freight 07:48 QJ 7010 leaving Daban Yard with eastbound passenger 08:09 after these tried to escape the sandstorm by going to Reshui....(upto Dec 29th) At the Pass I noted very heavy traffic, most of the days 5 eastbound (On 29th even 6...) freights (all double headers) during daylight! Westbound traffic was less impressive with upto 3 light engines (out of 6 trains) during daylight. Therefore decision of what side of the pass to use prooved easy... Thanks a lot to Tina of Chifeng Cits! Regards Uli Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2319-1074227763-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 05:40:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA22996 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:40:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0G4a9g14094 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:36:09 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2319-1074227763-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 04:36:03 -0000 X-Sender: rgg@pipeline.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25868 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 04:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 04:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wax.pipeline.com.au) (203.27.87.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 04:36:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 10233 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 15:35:56 +1100 Received: from unknown (HELO wipeout.pipeline.com.au) (203.27.87.43) by wax.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 15:35:56 +1100 Received: (qmail 20154 invoked by uid 510); 16 Jan 2004 15:35:56 +1100 Received: from rgg@pipeline.com.au by wipeout.pipeline.com.au by uid 501 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (iscan: v3.1/v6.810-1005/724/57867. spamassassin: 2.61. 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Processed in 0.026142 secs); 16 Jan 2004 04:35:56 -0000 Received: from sand.pipeline.com.au (203.27.87.13) by wipeout.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 15:35:55 +1100 Received: (qmail 5145 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 15:35:55 +1100 Received: from ip22.pm3-4.gln.pipeline.com.au (HELO roger-gillard.pipeline.com.au) (210.8.31.117) by sand.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 15:35:55 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20040116153334.00b35da0@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Sender: rgg@pop3.pipeline.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001801c3d286$139e06c0$4e62e23d@TRAVELMATE> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20040102090734.00b34718@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.27.87.49 From: Roger Gillard X-Yahoo-Profile: saditobi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:35:49 +1100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Good Luck Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 286 Hi Bruce, Just a quick message to say good luck in China. I guess you seen Florian's report on the coal railway at MHK. Also have a quick look at the bachman China site if you have time - Look at the photos of their new store in Shanghai!!!! Cheers, Roger ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2320-1074245874-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 10:55:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22276 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:54:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0G9c1g09510 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:38:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2320-1074245874-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 09:37:54 -0000 X-Sender: jeffrey.lanham@wanadoo.fr X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64956 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 09:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 09:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 09:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 09:37:51 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "zm3zm4" X-Originating-IP: 80.12.135.63 X-Yahoo-Profile: zm3zm4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:37:51 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] C2Freak Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 287 Jun Shirakawa could you contact me offline at jeffrey.lanham@wandoo.fr ref C2freaks Japanese site. Anyone else interested in Chinese narrow gauge both current and historical please feel free to contact me direct. This isn't an attempt at a break-way specialist group just to spare you the waffle of questions and answers. The big question is will the group accept postings about non-steam NG lines and long gone NG lines? Jeff Lanham Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Processed in 0.024771 secs); 16 Jan 2004 09:55:35 -0000 Received: from sand.pipeline.com.au (203.27.87.13) by wipeout.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 20:55:35 +1100 Received: (qmail 13533 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 20:55:34 +1100 Received: from ip23.pm3-4.gln.pipeline.com.au (HELO roger-gillard.pipeline.com.au) (210.8.31.118) by sand.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 20:55:34 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20040116205433.02fd7d20@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Sender: rgg@pop3.pipeline.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20040116153334.00b35da0@pop3.pipeline.com.au> References: <001801c3d286$139e06c0$4e62e23d@TRAVELMATE> <5.1.1.5.2.20040102090734.00b34718@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.27.87.49 From: Roger Gillard X-Yahoo-Profile: saditobi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:55:31 +1100 Subject: OT Re: [Steam_in_China] Good Luck OUCH Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 288 Sorry guys. A personal e-mail went to the list by mistake. Ouch Roger Gillard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2322-1074259406-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 15:00:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28167 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:59:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0GDNag06606 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:23:37 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2322-1074259406-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 13:23:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 69972 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 13:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2004 13:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 13:23:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2004 13:23:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1074259399.13617.25996.w32@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files From: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 16 Jan 2004 13:23:19 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New file uploaded to Steam_in_China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 289 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Steam_in_China group. File : /Ji-Tong Timetable.pdf Uploaded by : duncanpeattie Description : Updated timetable for the Ji-Tong line, based on the October 2003 CRPH timetable and information from Hans Schaefer - comments welcome! You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/files/Ji-Tong%20Timetable.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, duncanpeattie Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2323-1074370354-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 21:17:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10676 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:17:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0HKClg22396 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:12:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2323-1074370354-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2004 20:12:35 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18131 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 20:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 20:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 20:12:31 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.35.122] by win2003_macace1; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:09:34 +0000 Message-ID: <40099708.5060304@macace.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: IAN BOWSKILL <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:11:52 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shanghai Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 290 Hi, A friend of mine is off to Shanghai on the 29th and wishes to know if anyone has info regarding a railway museum in or near the city Ian Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2324-1074378395-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 23:37:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17922 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:37:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0HMQwg32073 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:26:59 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2324-1074378395-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2004 22:26:36 -0000 X-Sender: greghowell@tiscali.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99132 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 22:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2004 22:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) (212.74.114.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 22:26:34 -0000 Received: from ppp-0-170.birm-a-2.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.93.170]:1048 helo=greghowelltiscali) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AhytJ-000I2w-PO for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:26:06 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c3dd49$4297c6a0$485de150@co.uk> To: References: <40099708.5060304@macace.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.74.114.48 From: "Greg Howell" X-Yahoo-Profile: greggyhowell MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:27:49 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Shanghai Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 291 I did 8 business trips to Shanghai in 02/03 and have never heard of a railway museum. But why not visit the real industrial steam! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "IAN BOWSKILL" <34081@macace.net> To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shanghai Museum > Hi, > A friend of mine is off to Shanghai on the 29th and wishes to know > if anyone has info regarding a railway museum in or near the city > > Ian > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2325-1074456568-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 21:18:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15384 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:18:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0IKEwg31881 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:14:59 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2325-1074456568-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 20:09:29 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66683 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2004 20:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2004 20:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 20:09:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2004 20:09:23 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001801c3dd49$4297c6a0$485de150@co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "raf92squadron" <34081@macace.net> X-Originating-IP: 62.53.35.70 X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:09:23 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Shanghai Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 292 Greg, He's visiting his Chinese girlfriend so steam opportunities will be thin on the ground. I do believe he's got one steelworks visit lined up and the museum thing is a result of her telling him that a railway museum was opening soon in the Shanghai area. She has no other details and he asked me if I could pose the question on the group. Ian --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Howell" wrote: > I did 8 business trips to Shanghai in 02/03 and have never heard of a > railway museum. But why not visit the real industrial steam! > > Greg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "IAN BOWSKILL" <34081@m...> > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:11 PM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shanghai Museum > > > > Hi, > > A friend of mine is off to Shanghai on the 29th and wishes to know > > if anyone has info regarding a railway museum in or near the city > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2326-1074509351-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 11:49:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09979 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:49:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i0JAnHj24555 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:49:18 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2326-1074509351-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 10:49:11 -0000 X-Sender: andy@hunterimagebank.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45787 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 10:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 10:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 10:49:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2004 10:49:04 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Andy Warren" X-Originating-IP: 203.23.239.163 X-Yahoo-Profile: andywarr2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:49:04 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Damaged / scratched film Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 293 I recently returned from my first trip to the Jitong Railway and Jingpeng pass and had a great time. The weather although extremely cold was great for steam photography. Unfortunately several of my 35mm films have damage or scratches along them and I would be grateful if anyone in the group has had similar experiences or could throw any light on this problem. I know it is quite dusty at the pass but I do quite a bit of photography and I am very careful to keep my cameras clean. I have never had this type of damage before. I shot both colour neg and tranny, both of which are affected to some degree, the neg films being the worst. Strangely my travelling companion tells me that his films have similar marks, though the marks on his films run along the bottom of the frame, mine are predominently at the top. His films were processed by a different lab. We were careful to avoid all x-ray at all airports. Initially I felt that the lines along the film must be processing marks as the damage /scratches waiver slightly up and down the length of the film. I don't think dust or dirt in the camera would waiver like that. My lab are telling me its not their problem, but I'm not convinced. The damaged films don't run in sequence either. The marks are on the emulsion side of some films and on both sides of others. Some films have only one line some two or three lines and some no damage at all. Luckily I have my own dedicated neg/tranny scanner and can fix up all the damaged images in photoshop, but it would be nice to establish what the problem is/was. I have exposed several films since my return with no problems? I am wondering if the extreme cold has anything to do with this. I read a few reports from this group of film breaking in the cold but not of this problem. If anyone has any advice I'd appreciate it, though it is a bit late in the day to do anything now. Maybe its time to go DIGITAL! Andy Warren Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2346-1074621720-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 19:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18948 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:10:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0KI2Wg17349 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:02:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2346-1074621720-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 18:02:00 -0000 X-Sender: khojnacki@charter.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36122 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:01:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 18:01:37 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c3dee5$df4935e0$f3ef17cb@hib> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "ken hojnacki" X-Originating-IP: 165.189.154.67 X-Yahoo-Profile: kodtrak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:01:36 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Damaged / scratched film Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 313 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Warren" wrote: > Ian / Andrew > > Thanks for your responses, the film I used on my trip was indeed all Fuji. > Reala neg and Sensia & Velvia for tranny . The damage is as you both state, > parallel lines like telegraph wires along the film, strangely though they > nearly all start from about mid roll to the end. > > From the replies I've had so far I think that the cold may well have a lot > ot do with the problem. On several occasions temps were at or around -20c, > I noticed that my breath was freezing on the back of the cameras whilst > framing up and taking shots and tried to avoid this where possible, whether > or not this 'frosting' got inside the camera I'm not sure. > > Thank goodness for 'photoshop' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2347-1074622041-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 19:10:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18970 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:10:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0KI7Ug17695 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:07:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2347-1074622041-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 18:07:22 -0000 X-Sender: khojnacki@charter.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55269 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 18:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 18:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 18:07:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 18:06:50 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c3dee5$df4935e0$f3ef17cb@hib> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "ken hojnacki" X-Originating-IP: 165.189.154.67 X-Yahoo-Profile: kodtrak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:06:49 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Damaged / scratched film Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 314 Many here have mentioned meticulously cleaning the camera but there is another culprit that caused me problems many years ago when shooting more slides than I do now. With the fabled dust flying around Jing Peng, the film cassette is also a potential problem. This fuzzy strip along the cassette opening where the film enters can easily catch a bit of sand or dust and then, as you advance or rewind the film, that little bugger goes to work on your film. Look in your camera all you want and there is nothing there. I have also heard that, as someone mentioned earlier, rapid rewinding can set up static electricity, probably with the help of that same fuzzy material, which can then cause problems with the film. Ken --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Warren" wrote: > Ian / Andrew > > Thanks for your responses, the film I used on my trip was indeed all Fuji. > Reala neg and Sensia & Velvia for tranny . The damage is as you both state, > parallel lines like telegraph wires along the film, strangely though they > nearly all start from about mid roll to the end. > > From the replies I've had so far I think that the cold may well have a lot > ot do with the problem. On several occasions temps were at or around -20c, > I noticed that my breath was freezing on the back of the cameras whilst > framing up and taking shots and tried to avoid this where possible, whether > or not this 'frosting' got inside the camera I'm not sure. > > Thank goodness for 'photoshop' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2348-1074626105-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 20:19:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24889 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:19:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0KJHrg22793 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:17:53 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2348-1074626105-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 19:15:07 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40738 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 19:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 19:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 19:15:00 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.35.43] by win2003_macace1; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:12:07 +0000 Message-ID: <400D7E03.10207@macace.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: IAN BOWSKILL <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:14:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Damaged / scratched film Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 315 A perfect reason not to change a film out in the open. Ian ken hojnacki wrote: > With the fabled dust flying >around Jing Peng, the film cassette is also a potential problem. >This fuzzy strip along the cassette opening where the film enters can >easily catch a bit of sand or dust and then >Ken > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2349-1074629176-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 21:14:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28768 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:14:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0KK6Wg26663 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:06:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2349-1074629176-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 20:06:26 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57438 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 20:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 20:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 20:05:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 20:04:03 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 62.254.32.4 X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:04:02 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Beijing Railway Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 316 Can anyone point me in the direction of a list of locomotives currently in the Beijing Railway museum? With my customary lack of attention to anything like detail I took a number of shots here recently without recording classes and/or numbers. Whilst some are discernable in the (mainly in focus) shots others are not. Help!! Dave Longman ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2350-1074633875-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 22:35:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04310 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:35:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0KLOhg31970 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:24:43 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2350-1074633875-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 21:24:36 -0000 X-Sender: johnmday@telus.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17999 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 21:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 21:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 21:24:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 21:23:45 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "John Day" X-Originating-IP: 154.5.167.28 X-Yahoo-Profile: trolleyjolly MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:23:43 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Damaged / scratched film -> non-functioning gear Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 317 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Warren" wrote: > I recently returned from my first trip to the Jitong Railway and > Jingpeng pass and had a great time. The weather although extremely > cold was great for steam photography. Unfortunately several of my > 35mm films have damage or scratches along them and I would be > grateful if anyone in the group has had similar experiences or could > throw any light on this problem. > I had similar results with Fuji processed in Canada in 2002. It was attributed to pressure-plate scratches but after reading the above exchanges I now wonder. I do know my equipment suffered quite badly from the rough roads and general vibration in the van. One lens fell apart and my trusty old Maxxum 7000i was much worse for the trip, too. I replaced everything prior to the 2003 trip and had no similar problems then. BUT I did have problems with my Canon Image Stablizing 75-300mm lens giving indifferent results. When it worked, it worked well. But many of the pictures are decidedly soft. It was suggested that the cold may have had an effect on the fluids inside the lens, which are part of the image stablizing device. BTW I have used both film and digital but find I end up with about 4 or 5 times the images with digital...electrons are almost free. But I would miss having the transparencies as many club facilities do not have the projection equipment needed to show digital images, but everyone can get their hands on a slide projector. John Day Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2352-1074637074-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 23:26:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07225 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:25:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0KMI3g02748 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:18:03 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2352-1074637074-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 22:17:57 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12585 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 22:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 22:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 22:17:54 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HRT79S00.1MR for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:17:52 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <101638fbc7c.fbc7c101638@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:17:52 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Damaged / scratched film -> non-functioning gear Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 318 I have gone though my album with the prints from 2001, strangely the prints from my 3rd film have the white lines. Strange because the film was changed in the hotel at Tiefa & the hwole role has the lines. Then there is a break of 3 roles before the lines come back. Role 3 5 & 6 are Fuji others ar Kodak which have lines. This time round the lines appear at different stages on the the affected films. Some in one frame & croping up again towards the end of the film. It seems that none of the films has the lines through the whole roll of film. I agree that dust is a problem in China & in particular at the pass, as after a few days the view finder became very dirty. Thakfully Andy was able to clean it out a bit, but more thankfully it did not reflect on the films. Since getting home I have used a can of air to blow out the camera's body & this has certainly cleaned out the junk seen in the viewfinder. FOr the little wieght of these cans it will be in my bag for any forthcoming trip & is certainly better than an airbrush. If I can get it on the flight in my bag. John has raised the point of digital vses film and raises a pertinant point. I did a study for TAFE last year on this subject & while digital is a medium for the future it is not yet ready to replace film as John pointed out the need for a projector (there are many other issues as well). Film likewise has its problems as well. I think of the progress in film quality since I first started photographing back in the 60's but, I feel it still needs some work before a complete changover takes place. While I choose to use film for the moment I think with the development of digital cameras a switch may not be far off, as some other points in this thread have revealed. I use mainly DV for my rail excusions now, & think back on the progres from super 8 movie film to ordinary video & the jumps in technology & quality over the past decade & especially the last 5 years. how I would have loved this stuff back in the 60's. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2351-1074635268-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 00:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09689 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:15:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0KN4xg05698 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:04:59 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2351-1074635268-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 21:47:48 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47367 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 21:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 21:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 21:47:44 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.35.25] by win2003_macace1; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:44:56 +0000 Message-ID: <400DA1D3.8050007@macace.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: IAN BOWSKILL <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:46:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Beijing Railway Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 319 Dave, My mate Kevin took a detailed list so if you can wait a day or two while he transcribes everything we saw I can lift out the museum info. Either that or e-mail me jpegs of the mystery locos and I'll see if I can idenify from my shots this year and last. Like you I wrote nothing down. Ian Dave wrote: >Can anyone point me in the direction of a list of locomotives >currently in the Beijing Railway museum? With my customary lack of >attention to anything like detail I took a number of shots here >recently without recording classes and/or numbers. Whilst some are >discernable in the (mainly in focus) shots others are not. Help!! > >Dave Longman > > > >. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2354-1074639375-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 00:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09695 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:15:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0KMuLg05260 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:56:21 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2354-1074639375-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 22:56:15 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14167 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 22:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 22:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12408.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 22:56:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20040120224910.86625.qmail@web12408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.32.4] by web12408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:49:10 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <400DA1D3.8050007@macace.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.135 From: dave longman X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:49:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Beijing Railway Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 320 Ian ...... I have a list sent to me by a guy off list ...... detailed and combined with a list I found on the net it is comprehensive. No mystery locos in terms of numbers - just builders and dates ...... which ! now have. If you would like the list ..... let me know --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2353-1074638552-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 00:39:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10649 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:38:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0KNVlg07052 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:31:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2353-1074638552-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2004 22:42:32 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43609 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 22:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 22:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-05.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 22:42:28 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-068-056.arcor-ip.net [145.254.68.56]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C71CC475E07 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:42:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <013b01c3dfa6$af3cabe0$cd42fe91@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.45 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:45:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Beijing Railway Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 321 Below you find a list of the locomotives. The work was done by Robert Turner from Canada on one of the FarRail trips. So say thank you to him. Best wishes, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Here is a preliminary list of the equipment on display as of mid-October 2003. Displays are being worked on and can change quickly. In two visits within three weeks, there were several additions and a number of exhibits were moved. A dual gauge track is in place, but so far no narrow gauge engines are on exhibit. Class* & Number Type Builder Notes Track 1 No exhibits Track 2 No exhibits Track 3 HP 0004 2-10-2 HP/QJ prototype, 6-axle tender HP 101 2-10-2 9-1964 Datong HP/QJ first improved production, 4-axle tender JF 1191 2-8-2 Japan Zhu De (decorated) JF 2121 2-8-2 12-1952 Considered first steam locomotive fully manufactured in China JF 2101 2-8-2 9-1950 Sifang "National Day" (decorated) Track 4 GJ 1019 0-6-0T 11-1959 JS 5001 2-8-2 1957 Dalian First JS HP 0001 2-10-2 1956 (58?) Dalian HP/QJ prototype RM 1001 4-6-2 4-1958 Sifang First RM SL 601 4-6-2 1956 Sifang Track 5 JF1 304 2-8-2 1941 or 46 MaoZedong (decorated) Rebuilt Harbin KF1 006 4-8-4 1936 Vulcan KD7 534 2-8-0 1-1947 Baldwin No. 73263 PL9 146 2-6-2 1922 Belgium PL3 51 2-6-2T 1928 JF6 3022 2-8-2 1930s SL12 890 4-6-2 1942 Track 6 ND3 0001 C-C Diesel 1984 Electroputere Craiova-Romania T6 8066501 Scale Test Car 0 0-4-0T 1881/2, British SY 97334 Private car Wooden body SS1 1008 C-C Electric 1969 BJ 3003 B-B Diesel 1970 Taiyuan DFH5 0001 B-B Diesel-hyd. 1976 Tianjin DFH2 0008 B-B Diesel-hyd. 1976 Shijiazhuang DF4 0001 C-C Diesel-electric 1973 Linfen DF1 1301 C-C Diesel-electric 12-1966 Yitulihe (single ended) Track 7 RW19 50670 Sleeping car Ruanwoche GW 97336 Private car Gongwuche. Premier Zhou Enlai's car YZ22 29736 Coach Yingzouche DF5 (?) 0007 C-C Diesel 5-1977 Tangshan (?) Roadswitcher JF11 3787 2-8-2 JF 4101 2-8-2 JF11 3773 2-8-2 JF9 (?) 3673 2-8-2 Track 8 (dual gauge) No exhibits ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Beijing Railway Museum Can anyone point me in the direction of a list of locomotives currently in the Beijing Railway museum? With my customary lack of attention to anything like detail I took a number of shots here recently without recording classes and/or numbers. Whilst some are discernable in the (mainly in focus) shots others are not. Help!! Dave Longman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Ian dave longman wrote: >Ian ...... I have a list sent to me by a guy off list ...... detailed and combined with a list I found on the net it is comprehensive. No mystery locos in terms of numbers - just builders and dates ...... which ! now have. If you would like the list ..... let me know > > > > > > > >. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2357-1074653124-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 03:50:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17087 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:50:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0L2jWg15453 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:45:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2357-1074653124-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 02:45:25 -0000 X-Sender: trainrider47@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16799 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 02:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 02:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 02:45:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 02:45:18 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "a231pacific" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.169 X-Yahoo-Profile: a231pacific MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:45:17 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Damaged / scratched film Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 324 Andy, I think nearly all the issues have been covered, but I want to add my 2 cents worth. I have had scratches on film (non China also) sent by mailer to the Fuji lab in Arizona and have stopped using them. I now have my Fuji film processed by Kodak with no problems. I think Fuji's slide mounting equipment, when operated by untrained personnel, is the problem. I've even had dashed lines on my slides, obviously caused by some sort of advancing roller, but of course, Fuji is not to blame! Also, as has not been pointed out, Fuji film stock is thinner than Kodak and perhaps this does contribute to either the shattering problem one reader experienced or the tight winding on problem as well. If you have power rewind, set it to slow if you have that option. This could help reduce damage. Of all the causes mentioned, dust in the cassette's felt lips and slide mounting damage are the two most likely. I'm still not ready to go digital though, as I do like to project my images. Regards, Michael Allen Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2358-1074655048-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 04:24:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18255 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 04:24:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0L3HZg16882 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 04:17:35 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2358-1074655048-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 03:17:29 -0000 X-Sender: trainrider47@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85871 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 03:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 03:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 03:17:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 03:17:25 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013b01c3dfa6$af3cabe0$cd42fe91@farrail> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "a231pacific" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.169 X-Yahoo-Profile: a231pacific MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:17:25 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Beijing Railway Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 325 Subsequent to Bernd's visit, there have been more additions and much remarshalling of the displays, unfortunately, not for the better I'm afraid! As of January 17, there have been three additions to the steam locomotives. SL3 No. 152 no builders plate noted - painted green KD5 No. 373 no builders plate noted FD No. 1979 no builders plate noted - painted dark maroon The first track is still empty, the second track, in addition to the scale test car, now contains a short freight train with a G6 tank car, a K13 ballast hopper car, a U60 bulk dry powder tank, a C50 wooden gondola, a C5D steel gondola, a B6 yellow box car or refrigerator car (anyone know which?) and an S11 guards van (caboose to us Yank's). The steam engines have now all been placed on the right hand side of the building and are packed in tightly. Since each pair of tracks is close together, followed by a wider walkway, it is now possible to photograph only one side of each locomotive. The diesels, electrics and quite a few new pieces of passenger stock occupy the left side of the building, also packed in tightly. The dual gauge track still contains no displays, but we did note what appeared to be a narrow gauge engine under a tarpaulin inside the grounds of the Railway Institute, seen as we drove out in the van. There was a second larger engine in front of it, also under a tarp. If you visit, go on a sunny day or bring a tripod. I used high speed (ISO 400) film and was still getting shutter speeds of 1/10 second! Regards, Michael Allen Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2359-1074672833-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 09:25:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08311 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:24:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0L8Dxg32136 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:14:00 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2359-1074672833-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 08:13:54 -0000 X-Sender: andy@hunterimagebank.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71726 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 08:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 08:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO proxy.syd) (203.23.236.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 08:13:52 -0000 Received: from hib ([203.23.239.227]) by proxy.syd (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0L8Dcp49950 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:13:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andy@hunterimagebank.com.au) Message-ID: <000701c3dff6$beaa8160$e3ef17cb@hib> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.23.236.66 From: "Andy Warren" X-Yahoo-Profile: andywarr2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:15:33 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Damaged / scratched film Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 326 Thanks Michael, Ian and everyone who has responded to my thread on damaged film. I am still not sure what this problem is though l'm thinking maybe dust or grit MAY be the culprit. Living in Australia where we also have a dry and dusty climate I would have thought I would have struck similar problems to those I had with my films in Inner Mongolia. I still think the 'cold' has something to do with it. Unfortunately I dont think I can scrape up enough to make another trip so won't be able to put these safeguards to the test. I can live in hope and will buy a lotto ticket each week! Andy Warren ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2360-1074683094-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 12:17:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03527 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:16:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0LB51g18388 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:05:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2360-1074683094-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2004 11:04:55 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56917 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 11:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 11:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 11:04:53 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.204.33]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040121110434.OPIE14639.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:04:34 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.43 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:04:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Beijing Railway Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 327 Mike, Bryan Acford identified the locos under tarpaulins as: Metre Gauge JF51 No 738 (2-8-2T) 760mm Baldwin No 23 (0-10-0), ex Gigi - Jejiu?? Duncan On Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004, at 03:17 Europe/London, a231pacific wrote: > Subsequent to Bernd's visit, there have been more additions and much > remarshalling of the displays, unfortunately, not for the better I'm > afraid! > > As of January 17, there have been three additions to the steam > locomotives. > > SL3 No. 152 no builders plate noted - painted green > KD5 No. 373 no builders plate noted > FD No. 1979 no builders plate noted - painted dark maroon > > The first track is still empty, the second track, in addition to the > scale test car, now contains a short freight train with a G6 tank > car, a K13 ballast hopper car, a U60 bulk dry powder tank, a C50 > wooden gondola, a C5D steel gondola, a B6 yellow box car or > refrigerator car (anyone know which?) and an S11 guards van (caboose > to us Yank's). The steam engines have now all been placed on the > right hand side of the building and are packed in tightly. Since > each pair of tracks is close together, followed by a wider walkway, > it is now possible to photograph only one side of each locomotive. > > The diesels, electrics and quite a few new pieces of passenger stock > occupy the left side of the building, also packed in tightly. The > dual gauge track still contains no displays, but we did note what > appeared to be a narrow gauge engine under a tarpaulin inside the > grounds of the Railway Institute, seen as we drove out in the van. > There was a second larger engine in front of it, also under a tarp. > > If you visit, go on a sunny day or bring a tripod. I used high speed > (ISO 400) film and was still getting shutter speeds of 1/10 second! > > Regards, > > Michael Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2361-1074742566-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 04:44:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25536 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:44:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0M3gRg30446 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:42:28 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2361-1074742566-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 03:36:07 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94934 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 03:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 03:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 03:36:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 30311 invoked by uid 65534); 22 Jan 2004 03:36:02 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b806d8.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO peter) (217.184.6.216) by mail.gmx.net (mp025) with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 04:36:02 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <400F5326.3096.1F38C37@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1074242594.2605.62706.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:35:50 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] North Korean steam in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 329 Hi everybody, I know it's too late for this year but maybe, if the Beloved Leader survives another year, there will be NK steam in China again - not on the Tumen line but at Ji'an, south-west of Tonghua. I visited the line to Mampo (on the NK side) at the end of the month and the only daily mixed is hauled by a NK Mika class in odd years. No problems with photography, free access to the line and Chinese station, only the huge boarder bridge shouldn't be in the center of your interest. But you can even walk up to the boarder line on the bridge itself. Apologies for the late posting: I assumed that this operation was a known fact but people on my groups told me that this is totally new for them. I am writing the tour report right now and will publish some scans. Greetings, Peter Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2363-1074744696-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 05:13:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26573 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:13:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0M4Blg31457 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:11:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2363-1074744696-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 04:11:41 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84337 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 04:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 04:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.web.de) (217.72.192.209) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 04:11:34 -0000 Received: from [134.147.29.160] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.99 #566) id 1AjWBq-0005Jm-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:11:34 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <400F5326.28289.1F389B6@localhost> In-Reply-To: <400F5326.28289.1F389B6@localhost> Message-Id: <200401220512.00520.hubbertweb@web.de> X-WEBDE-TAG: W Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.209 From: ";-)" X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:12:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Forestry lines Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 330 Mike Ma told me at the end of October that Shanhetun is still working this winter on the northern branch. The southern system is closed. I did not check it out as I heard from others, that some staff or police can be unfriendly there. Heinrich Hubbert Am Donnerstag, 22. Januar 2004 04:35 schrieb Peter Patt: > Hello everybody, > > on one of my last tours we had quite an intense debate, whether there are > any WORKING forestry lines left? > > Systems like Huanan or Shibanxi do not count, of course. > > As I dared to bet I am eager to get your comments, please: as far as I > know, all of the former steam lines of the last years are gone: nothing in > Western Manchuria (Alihe, Ganhe, Zanhe), nothing east of Haerbin (?). > Shanhetun is gone, too... > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2364-1074763550-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 10:30:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22740 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:30:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0M9Pug18872 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:25:56 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2364-1074763550-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 09:25:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 24523 invoked by uid 7800); 22 Jan 2004 09:25:48 -0000 X-Sender: sandrovgt@yahoo.it X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52858 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 09:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 09:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 09:07:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 09:07:18 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "sandrovgt" X-Originating-IP: 81.72.48.158 X-Yahoo-Profile: sandrovgt X-eGroups-Approved-By: fm765083 via email; 22 Jan 2004 09:25:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:07:18 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Maps Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 331 Where can I find a map of china with steam railways? or is it possible to find easyly where steam railways are? 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2365-1074775467-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 13:53:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22862 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:53:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MCibg06950 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:44:38 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2365-1074775467-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 12:44:30 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8986 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 12:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 12:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-05.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 12:44:26 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-006-083.arcor-ip.net [212.144.6.83]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B288492B85 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:44:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008201c3e0e5$82d90860$0d1a90d4@farrail> To: References: <400F5326.3096.1F38C37@localhost> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.45 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:52:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] North Korean steam in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 332 Yes, this is excacly what I wrote under the point "Normal Steam operations in the DPRK" in my trip report. I got the information from a railway official which were aboard of our train Payngyang - Kujang - Hyangsan. Seems to be confirmed now, thanks Peter. On my site you can also find a god map of this area (srcoll down almost to the end of the report). Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Patt To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:35 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] North Korean steam in China Hi everybody, I know it's too late for this year but maybe, if the Beloved Leader survives another year, there will be NK steam in China again - not on the Tumen line but at Ji'an, south-west of Tonghua. I visited the line to Mampo (on the NK side) at the end of the month and the only daily mixed is hauled by a NK Mika class in odd years. No problems with photography, free access to the line and Chinese station, only the huge boarder bridge shouldn't be in the center of your interest. But you can even walk up to the boarder line on the bridge itself. Apologies for the late posting: I assumed that this operation was a known fact but people on my groups told me that this is totally new for them. I am writing the tour report right now and will publish some scans. Greetings, Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2366-1074789766-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 17:53:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18871 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:53:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MGgwg28938 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:42:58 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2366-1074789766-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 16:42:51 -0000 X-Sender: pghogan@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78412 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 16:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 16:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 16:42:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 16:41:08 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "Paul Hogan" X-Originating-IP: 144.139.141.126 X-Yahoo-Profile: pgh220 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:41:07 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Q re Lithium AA batteries and SLR film cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 333 My apologies if this has been asked previously, but a search of the Archive revealed only a thread concerning use of Lithium batteries with Digital cameras. My enquiry is a little different. I have satisfactorily resolved battery / extreme cold issues for my Olympus digital camera with the use of rechargeable Ni-MH AA cells, which worked well on last years trip. But for this year, I have acquired a new (well, second hand) film camera, a Nikon F90x with MB-10 motor drive attachment. For the first time, I have a film camera that also takes AA cells, and this poses a potential problem. All the literature I've read suggests that non rechargeable Lithiums have far better tolerance of extreme temperatures than Alkaline. Trouble is, the camera manual (dating from about 1995) specifically mentions that the then "new" Lithium AA cells were not recommended for this camera. But I can't find any dealer that can tell me why! Two issues arise - (i) The camera works on 6v, which is delivered by 4 x 1.5 volt AA cells. Equivalent NiMH, or even NiCd AA's are 1.2V. Is this sufficient to run the camera? (ii) I've bought a set of non rechargeable Lithiums which are 1.5V, and appear to work satisfactorily from an initial attempt. Has anyone experience in using these batteries with F90x's, and do they cause any mis-operation of the metering or error messages, as seemingly suggested by Nikon? The only Lithium batteries that the manual suggests are suitable are the "double cell" type CR123's. But these in turn require an adaptor to fit the motor drive, which appears to be no longer in stock. I'm wondering if advances in battery technology since this camera model was produced mean that AA type Lithiums are now quite satisfactory, and this original warning is irrelevent. Is anyone able to assist please, or point me to a web site or forum that would? We leave for China next Friday - not much time left for trial and error! Cheers, Paul Hogan Sydney Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2367-1074790520-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 18:01:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19451 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:01:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MGtRg29993 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:55:27 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2367-1074790520-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 16:55:21 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49842 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 16:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 16:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 16:55:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20040122165509.93611.qmail@web12406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.32.4] by web12406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:55:09 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.133 From: dave longman X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Lithium AA batteries and SLR film cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 334 I have used a Nikon F301 on several trips to China. This actually takes AAA batteries although you can get an AA battery holder as an accesory - if you are lucky enought to be able to find a second-hand one. Since I couldn't, I fitted AA lithium batteries into the (too small) compartment and then held the whole camera together with elastic bands! Those who have seen my photographs may have long suspected this is how I operate! However the metering was perfect, operation 100% and no scratch lines either!! The lithium's survived December at Jingpeng (-30 degrees) although as always I kept the body of the camera inside my outer jacket to keep it a little warm but left the lens sticking out to avoid condensation problems. Hope this helps. Dave Longman PS When are you going to make 'Crocodile Dundee III'?? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2368-1074790819-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 18:20:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21116 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:20:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MHEQg31561 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:14:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2368-1074790819-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 17:00:20 -0000 X-Sender: bruceheard@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54966 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 17:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 17:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 17:00:13 -0000 Received: from pool0289.cvx4-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.178.147.34] helo=VALUEDMIL8IZ53) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AjiBJ-0001AD-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:59:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c3e109$faf94020$2293b2d1@VALUEDMIL8IZ53> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.46 From: "Bruce Heard" X-Yahoo-Profile: westcoastlimited MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:05:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Q re Lithium AA batteries and SLR film cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 335 Paul: I had outstanding results from lithium AA batteries in my Nikon F100 and N90 film cameras in the January 2003 cold of Inner Mongolia. Both sets lasted the entire three-week trip, whereas previously I had numerous failures with alkaline batteries. Remember: automatic features--such as focusing--eat up a lot of energy, especially in the cold. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hogan To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Q re Lithium AA batteries and SLR film cameras My apologies if this has been asked previously, but a search of the Archive revealed only a thread concerning use of Lithium batteries with Digital cameras. My enquiry is a little different. I have satisfactorily resolved battery / extreme cold issues for my Olympus digital camera with the use of rechargeable Ni-MH AA cells, which worked well on last years trip. But for this year, I have acquired a new (well, second hand) film camera, a Nikon F90x with MB-10 motor drive attachment. For the first time, I have a film camera that also takes AA cells, and this poses a potential problem. All the literature I've read suggests that non rechargeable Lithiums have far better tolerance of extreme temperatures than Alkaline. Trouble is, the camera manual (dating from about 1995) specifically mentions that the then "new" Lithium AA cells were not recommended for this camera. But I can't find any dealer that can tell me why! Two issues arise - (i) The camera works on 6v, which is delivered by 4 x 1.5 volt AA cells. Equivalent NiMH, or even NiCd AA's are 1.2V. Is this sufficient to run the camera? (ii) I've bought a set of non rechargeable Lithiums which are 1.5V, and appear to work satisfactorily from an initial attempt. Has anyone experience in using these batteries with F90x's, and do they cause any mis-operation of the metering or error messages, as seemingly suggested by Nikon? The only Lithium batteries that the manual suggests are suitable are the "double cell" type CR123's. But these in turn require an adaptor to fit the motor drive, which appears to be no longer in stock. I'm wondering if advances in battery technology since this camera model was produced mean that AA type Lithiums are now quite satisfactory, and this original warning is irrelevent. Is anyone able to assist please, or point me to a web site or forum that would? We leave for China next Friday - not much time left for trial and error! Cheers, Paul Hogan Sydney ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2369-1074794222-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 19:04:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24528 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:04:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MHxXg02319 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:59:35 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2369-1074794222-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 17:57:34 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40727 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 17:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 17:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 17:57:00 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ajj4e-0005CW-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:57:00 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ajj4e-0000Tp-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:57:00 +0100 Message-ID: <40100EEA.460EF640@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.187 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:56:58 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 336 Dear group members, I just would like to remind you, that this is a newsgroup about Chinese steam locomotives, and not about photo-equippment or batteries. Wish you a nice evening! Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2370-1074799079-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 20:19:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29518 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:19:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MJIAg08129 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:18:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2370-1074799079-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 19:18:04 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59483 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 19:17:55 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.35.30] by win2003_macace1; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:18:35 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40100EEA.460EF640@qj-country.de> Message-Id: <7F7863C0-4D10-11D8-9CFF-000A957783D2@macace.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: Ian Bowskill <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:23:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 337 Florian, I respect the fact that it is your group, but many list members go to China to photograph steam. Surely any information that enables people to get good pictures is worth sharing. There's not a lot of point in knowing where and when to go and see Chinese steam, particularly as a first timer, if you make the wrong choice on batteries etc. I would have thought that any information that enables people to get the most from a trip to China is a valid subject for the group. Rgds Ian On Thursday, Jan 22, 2004, at 17:56 Europe/London, Florian Menius wrote: > Dear group members, > > I just would like to remind you, that this is a newsgroup about Chinese > steam locomotives, and not about photo-equippment or batteries. > > Wish you a nice evening! > > Florian Menius > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2371-1074800126-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 21:00:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02107 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:00:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MJw7g11464 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:58:08 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2371-1074800126-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 19:35:27 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92321 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 19:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 19:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 19:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 19:35:22 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7F7863C0-4D10-11D8-9CFF-000A957783D2@macace.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:35:22 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 338 I think it is good that Florian reminds us that it is a ''steam in china'' forum. I personally don't have any problems with slightly off topic items like bachmann models (no steam - they are all electric), locos in a museum (no steam, all dead), camera batteries (if they are steaming, something is terribly wrong). There is so little real news these days that all these entries just help to keep the forum alive - like my entry does now. Louis Cerny, isn't it time to make a new discovery? (sorry, I forgot about the line across the border to N-Korea - how can anyone think it is common knowledge where I have not seen a single trip report mentioning it??) But sometimes a discussion starts with helping someone who has a question but then extends into a long discussion between two experts who are both entitled to their opinion. Maybe, sometimes one should consider mailing the answer just to the person who asks the question? ameling Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2372-1074802675-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 21:41:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04595 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:41:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MKUjg13738 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:30:45 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2372-1074802675-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 20:17:56 -0000 X-Sender: brian.rumary@virgin.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50348 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 20:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 20:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 20:17:52 -0000 Received: from virgin.net ([81.103.147.70]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040122201749.XJBC23247.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@virgin.net> for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:17:49 +0000 X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.164.46 From: "B.Rumary" X-Yahoo-Profile: purnellsuk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:17:48 GMT Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Damaged / scratched film -> non-functioning gear Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 339 John Day wrote: > BTW I have used both film and digital but find I end up with about 4 > or 5 times the images with digital...electrons are almost free. But > I would miss having the transparencies as many club facilities do not > have the projection equipment needed to show digital images, but > everyone can get their hands on a slide projector. > I believe there are firms who can create 35mm slides from digital files, rather like the services for making colour prints from digitals. Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2373-1074814659-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 00:49:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14822 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:49:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MNdug24932 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:39:57 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2373-1074814659-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2004 23:37:40 -0000 X-Sender: andy@hunterimagebank.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66090 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 23:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 23:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO proxy.syd) (203.23.236.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 23:37:38 -0000 Received: from hib (dialup48.zephir.dragon.net.au [203.23.239.176]) by proxy.syd (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0MNbYp81613 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:37:35 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andy@hunterimagebank.com.au) Message-ID: <000901c3e140$fde1dc20$b0ef17cb@hib> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.23.236.66 From: "Andy Warren" X-Yahoo-Profile: andywarr2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:39:33 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Q re Lithium AA batteries and SLR film cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 340 Paul I recently returned from a 3 week trip to the Jitong etc and I use F90X and F100. I used Energiser AA L91 lithium batteries in both Cameras with no problems at all. In fact they lasted a lot longer than I had expected, we had several days of -25 c and no days were above - 5c. I ended up only using 2 sets for each camera and when I got home to Australia I found that the 1st set still had plenty of power left! I shot about 45 rolls altogether.(20+ in each camera) I too had the same question about the F90X and phoned Nikon Australia and they told me to use the L91 as they had had no problems and many of their customers were using them. I also took 2 sets of rechargeable Ni mh(1.2 v) for my SB26 flash and they lasted just as long (not that I used the flash a lot, only for fill in time exposures at Daban loco etc) I shot 2 rolls with open flash, some times with 5 flashes per exposure. The batteries didn't miss a beat and recycled very quickly, they still have power from the 1st charge now I'm home. Hope this helps Andy Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hogan" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:41 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Q re Lithium AA batteries and SLR film cameras > My apologies if this has been asked previously, but a search of the > Archive revealed only a thread concerning use of Lithium batteries > with Digital cameras. > > My enquiry is a little different. I have satisfactorily resolved > battery / extreme cold issues for my Olympus digital camera with the > use of rechargeable Ni-MH AA cells, which worked well on last years > trip. > > But for this year, I have acquired a new (well, second hand) film > camera, a Nikon F90x with MB-10 motor drive attachment. For the > first time, I have a film camera that also takes AA cells, and this > poses a potential problem. > > All the literature I've read suggests that non rechargeable Lithiums > have far better tolerance of extreme temperatures than Alkaline. > Trouble is, the camera manual (dating from about 1995) specifically > mentions that the then "new" Lithium AA cells were not recommended > for this camera. But I can't find any dealer that can tell me why! > > Two issues arise - > > (i) The camera works on 6v, which is delivered by 4 x 1.5 volt AA > cells. Equivalent NiMH, or even NiCd AA's are 1.2V. Is this > sufficient to run the camera? > > (ii) I've bought a set of non rechargeable Lithiums which are 1.5V, > and appear to work satisfactorily from an initial attempt. Has > anyone experience in using these batteries with F90x's, and do they > cause any mis-operation of the metering or error messages, as > seemingly suggested by Nikon? > > The only Lithium batteries that the manual suggests are suitable are > the "double cell" type CR123's. But these in turn require an adaptor > to fit the motor drive, which appears to be no longer in stock. I'm > wondering if advances in battery technology since this camera model > was produced mean that AA type Lithiums are now quite satisfactory, > and this original warning is irrelevent. > > Is anyone able to assist please, or point me to a web site or forum > that would? We leave for China next Friday - not much time left for > trial and error! > > Cheers, > > Paul Hogan > Sydney > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2374-1074817696-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 01:30:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16310 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:30:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0N0SMg27133 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:28:22 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2374-1074817696-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 00:28:16 -0000 X-Sender: andy@hunterimagebank.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29277 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 00:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 00:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO proxy.syd) (203.23.236.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 00:28:13 -0000 Received: from hib (dialup48.zephir.dragon.net.au [203.23.239.176]) by proxy.syd (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0N0S8p83047 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:28:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andy@hunterimagebank.com.au) Message-ID: <003101c3e148$0dd89ae0$b0ef17cb@hib> To: References: <40100EEA.460EF640@qj-country.de> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.23.236.66 From: "Andy Warren" X-Yahoo-Profile: andywarr2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:30:07 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 341 Florian I'm afraid I agree with Ian. It was only 12 months or so ago that I stumbled across a magazine article on Steam in China and the Jitong Railway. I couldn't believe that steam was still alive to such an extent in China. Having retired from overseas 'gricing' since starting a family in 1984 I hadn't kept up with the world steam scene thinking that it was all but over. If it wasn't for all the info made available from members of your forum etc I would have had very little knowledge for my first foray to the Jitong last Nov./Dec. I found all topics extremely interesting and helpful, especially those on equipment needed in the extreme cold etc, places to stay, guides, the mafia etc etc. Of course I see your point but like Ian, I think 'any information that enables people to get good pictures of STEAM is worth sharing'. I realise there are other sites to get info, like yours and Hans Schaefers' but to my knowledge there is no other forum to ask questions or raise related topics. I was able to equip myself almost perfectly for my trip from all this info, 'getting to the right place at the right time and with the right gear'. I have found most of the info from your forum invaluable as I think many other members have. I hope we are not to be restricted to reporting or asking questions on the steam locos only. Andy Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:56 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup > Dear group members, > > I just would like to remind you, that this is a newsgroup about Chinese > steam locomotives, and not about photo-equippment or batteries. > > Wish you a nice evening! > > Florian Menius > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2375-1074833834-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 06:04:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23456 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:04:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0N4vOg04331 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:57:24 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2375-1074833834-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 04:57:17 -0000 X-Sender: mbkmav@powerup.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91719 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 04:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 04:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smta01.mail.ozemail.net) (203.103.165.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 04:57:15 -0000 Received: from n8f1r1 ([210.84.80.139]) by smta01.mail.ozemail.net with SMTP id <20040123045656.IPQX5463.smta01.mail.ozemail.net@n8f1r1> for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:56:56 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c3e157$111e2b20$8b5054d2@n8f1r1> To: References: <7F7863C0-4D10-11D8-9CFF-000A957783D2@macace.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.103.165.50 From: "Marilyn Beale" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:17:33 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 342 Dear group members I would just like to say that as a newcommer to the newsgroup, I appreciate all the information you all share (there are similar and varied experiences to share). I have not been to China as yet and would love to go sometime soon, to see and photograph steam trains, so all this information is very useful and interesting. I can understand the frustration that some of the 'experts' and experienced people have with reading this information about film and other topics not strictly related to steam trains. I do however, find it an invaluable to resource myself , improving my knowledge and understanding of associated issues with travel to see steam in China. You chaps have so much to share and I really enjoy reading what you have to write! All I have to do is find out one day, how to join a group of people going and who are willing to have a new recruit tag along. Regards Marilyn Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2376-1074833886-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 06:04:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23458 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:04:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0N4wDg04358 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:58:13 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2376-1074833886-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 04:58:07 -0000 X-Sender: pghogan@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1321 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 04:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 04:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 04:58:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 04:57:37 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40100EEA.460EF640@qj-country.de> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Paul Hogan" X-Originating-IP: 144.139.141.180 X-Yahoo-Profile: pgh220 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:57:36 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 343 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Florian Menius wrote: > Dear group members, > > I just would like to remind you, that this is a newsgroup about Chinese steam locomotives, and not about photo-equippment or batteries. > > Wish you a nice evening! > Florian, Sorry if you think this has strayed off topic, but as my equipment enquiry was related *specifically* to photographing Chinese steam in extreme temperature conditions, this seemed like the logical forum to ask for help, as other people may have faced a similar problem. As it turned out, I have received several very helpful replies - my sincere thanks to those who responded. Further replies can be sent to me off list to pghogan[at]bigpond.com. Maybe we should have a "Steam_Photography_In_China" group? :-) I'll try and send a report to the group during our trip, particularly the rapidly changing rostering at Chabuga (if we get there!), to make up for my transgression. Cheers, Paul Hogan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2377-1074835889-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 06:49:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA24808 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:49:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0N5d5g05741 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:39:05 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2377-1074835889-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 05:31:29 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12480 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 05:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 05:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 05:31:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 05:31:08 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 203.218.94.11 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:31:07 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Beijing Railway Museum Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 344 There is a full(ish) list of preserved Chinese locos on my site at http://www.railwaysofchina.com/preserved.htm. I would be very pleased to receive updates / corrections etc. Note that the 0-4-0ST in Beijing "Tiebo" is beleived to be Black Hawthorn No 869 of 1887. Happy Chinese New Year. RJG --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Duncan Cotterill wrote: > Mike, > > Bryan Acford identified the locos under tarpaulins as: > Metre Gauge JF51 No 738 (2-8-2T) > 760mm Baldwin No 23 (0-10-0), ex Gigi - Jejiu?? > > Duncan > > On Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004, at 03:17 Europe/London, a231pacific wrote: > > > Subsequent to Bernd's visit, there have been more additions and much > > remarshalling of the displays, unfortunately, not for the better I'm > > afraid! > > > > As of January 17, there have been three additions to the steam > > locomotives. > > > > SL3 No. 152 no builders plate noted - painted green > > KD5 No. 373 no builders plate noted > > FD No. 1979 no builders plate noted - painted dark maroon > > > > The first track is still empty, the second track, in addition to the > > scale test car, now contains a short freight train with a G6 tank > > car, a K13 ballast hopper car, a U60 bulk dry powder tank, a C50 > > wooden gondola, a C5D steel gondola, a B6 yellow box car or > > refrigerator car (anyone know which?) and an S11 guards van (caboose > > to us Yank's). The steam engines have now all been placed on the > > right hand side of the building and are packed in tightly. Since > > each pair of tracks is close together, followed by a wider walkway, > > it is now possible to photograph only one side of each locomotive. > > > > The diesels, electrics and quite a few new pieces of passenger stock > > occupy the left side of the building, also packed in tightly. The > > dual gauge track still contains no displays, but we did note what > > appeared to be a narrow gauge engine under a tarpaulin inside the > > grounds of the Railway Institute, seen as we drove out in the van. > > There was a second larger engine in front of it, also under a tarp. > > > > If you visit, go on a sunny day or bring a tripod. I used high speed > > (ISO 400) film and was still getting shutter speeds of 1/10 second! > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael Allen > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2378-1074838111-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 07:09:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26034 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:09:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0N68fg06845 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:08:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2378-1074838111-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 06:08:35 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74787 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 06:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 06:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 06:08:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 16680 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Jan 2004 06:08:30 -0000 Received: from c-134-72-74.b.dial.de.ignite.net (EHLO peter) (62.134.72.74) by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 07:08:30 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4010C867.11681.484DF2@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1074759076.807.46977.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:08:23 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Forestry lines Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 345 Hallo Heinrich, > Mike Ma told me at the end of October that Shanhetun is still working this > winter on the northern branch. The southern system is closed. > I did not check it out as I heard from others, that some staff or police can > be unfriendly there. Shanhetun is quite a strange thing: the manager tells you that they will work this winter, his boss denies everything, a third contact told me exactly your info. Thus I asked a guide from my CITS office to go there personally and he came back in November 2003 saying that all locomotives are in non-working order, all staff except 2 have been fired and part of the locomotives been sold/transferred to a planned amusement park near Yabuli. I asked again now and the answer is: "no action at all this winter". Who knows the truth? Peter Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2382-1074862380-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 14:04:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15768 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:04:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0NCr8g08301 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:53:08 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2382-1074862380-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 12:53:01 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12096 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 12:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 12:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-04.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 12:52:58 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-219-213.arcor-ip.net [212.144.219.213]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 700166EC1F3 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:52:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009601c3e1af$dee23940$3944fe91@farrail> To: References: <0C64D64C-4D93-11D8-8C15-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.44 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:33:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 349 Duncan and Florian, I fully agree to you! Would be nice if there would be more railway related discussion here. I'm also searching on other places before I'll bother you with questions (for example when starts the next Spring Festival? (9.2.2005/29.1.2006/18.2.2007) is available on other sites). So please keep this forum as good as it was about a year ago. Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Cotterill To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup Like Mike and Florian, I get frustrated at the volume of non-rail related messages on the newsgroup. Often the original question isn't the problem, it's the flood of answers which clog everything up. However, the " I've got a Yamaha VXS999 with a 13-28mm zoom and Kylchap exhaust, will it work 350 metres west of Liudigou at 04:30 on Saturday morning?" type are far too specific for a forum such as this and the answers will be of no interest to the majority. There's plenty of information on the web about cameras and batteries and how they perform in a cold climate. Remember that much of North America experiences similar weather conditions to northern China in winter so there's a wealth of knowledge out there to be mined. Learn how to use a search engine such as "Google" or "Ask Jeeves" and you will probably find what you're looking for. You're never going to be sure that you're EOS444 is going to behave the same way as anyone else's EOS444 anyway. I accept that newcomers are interested in learning about more than the steam side, but this is not the right forum. It's Florian's decision of course but can I suggest: 1) Don't ask a non-rail related question here until you've exhausted all the other possibilities. 2) If you do have to ask, keep it as generic as possible, so it will be of interest to the maximum number of people. 3) Replies to non-rail questions should be off group. If you want to know the answer to someone else's question e-mail them directly. Lastly, whatever happened to everybody's sense of adventure? If you know all the answers before you go, it's never such a rewarding experience. Finding out for yourself is half the fun. Duncan Quality Railway Photographs on the web at: http://www.railography.co.uk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2383-1074868316-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 15:41:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28010 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:41:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0NEbxg18021 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:37:59 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2383-1074868316-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 14:31:57 -0000 X-Sender: jabschweitzer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35705 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 14:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 14:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14007.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.123) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 14:31:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20040123143155.47426.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.123.45.193] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:31:55 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.175.123 From: Jim Schweitzer X-Yahoo-Profile: jabschweitzer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:31:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chabuga and East Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 350 Chabuga on the JiTong Railway has been mentioned as having non-steam power working east of there. Is the percentage so high that travel east of there would be almost steamless? Thanks, Jim Schweitzer (In toasty -11C New York) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Other visitors have been told an April 2004 date for final dieselisation. In late December/early Janaury, steam levels were variable from "100% uphill steam trains" to "1 uphill freight + passenger" only, depending on your luck. No other chance than going there and praying, I`d say. Best wishes from sunny, snowy and cold (-10C) Dresden, Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2386-1074881507-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 19:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15352 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:24:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0NIE1g02313 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:14:02 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2386-1074881507-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 18:11:47 -0000 X-Sender: ronburk@dotnet.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91096 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 18:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 18:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamburg.dotnet.com) (216.127.196.18) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 18:11:45 -0000 Received: from ppp-150.max1.fdl.dyn.dotnet.com ([216.127.194.150] helo=ronkathy453) by hamburg.dotnet.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Ak5cm-0000mg-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:01:44 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c3e1db$75391af0$96c27fd8@ronkathy453> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.127.196.18 From: "Ron Burkhard" X-Yahoo-Profile: cbq4002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:05:16 -0600 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Q re Lithium AA batteries and SLR film cameras Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 352 Paul, I have a N90s, (same camera, U.S. version), and have not used anything but Alkaline batteries. I put in a fresh set before leaving the states,(each trip) and they have held up through 20+ rolls of film in late Feb/early March trips. If you are worried, take along an extra set of Alkalines just to make sure. Ron Burkhard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2385-1074880082-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 19:29:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15691 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:29:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0NIQkg03195 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:26:46 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2385-1074880082-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2004 17:48:02 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15731 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 17:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2004 17:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 17:47:58 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ak5PP-0003wI-0U for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:47:56 +0000 Message-ID: <004501c3e1d9$074e9850$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: References: <0C64D64C-4D93-11D8-8C15-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> <009601c3e1af$dee23940$3944fe91@farrail> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.217.242.88 From: "mr" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:47:53 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 353 I think you guys are right - it is a Steam in China site - not a photography help group. Its almost like getting SPAM with all these E-mails about batteries! Michael Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernd Seiler To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup Duncan and Florian, I fully agree to you! Would be nice if there would be more railway related discussion here. I'm also searching on other places before I'll bother you with questions (for example when starts the next Spring Festival? (9.2.2005/29.1.2006/18.2.2007) is available on other sites). So please keep this forum as good as it was about a year ago. Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Cotterill To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Newsgroup Like Mike and Florian, I get frustrated at the volume of non-rail related messages on the newsgroup. Often the original question isn't the problem, it's the flood of answers which clog everything up. However, the " I've got a Yamaha VXS999 with a 13-28mm zoom and Kylchap exhaust, will it work 350 metres west of Liudigou at 04:30 on Saturday morning?" type are far too specific for a forum such as this and the answers will be of no interest to the majority. There's plenty of information on the web about cameras and batteries and how they perform in a cold climate. Remember that much of North America experiences similar weather conditions to northern China in winter so there's a wealth of knowledge out there to be mined. Learn how to use a search engine such as "Google" or "Ask Jeeves" and you will probably find what you're looking for. You're never going to be sure that you're EOS444 is going to behave the same way as anyone else's EOS444 anyway. I accept that newcomers are interested in learning about more than the steam side, but this is not the right forum. It's Florian's decision of course but can I suggest: 1) Don't ask a non-rail related question here until you've exhausted all the other possibilities. 2) If you do have to ask, keep it as generic as possible, so it will be of interest to the maximum number of people. 3) Replies to non-rail questions should be off group. If you want to know the answer to someone else's question e-mail them directly. Lastly, whatever happened to everybody's sense of adventure? If you know all the answers before you go, it's never such a rewarding experience. Finding out for yourself is half the fun. Duncan Quality Railway Photographs on the web at: http://www.railography.co.uk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2388-1074989233-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 01:09:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09838 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:09:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0P07Kg07321 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:07:20 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2388-1074989233-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 00:07:14 -0000 X-Sender: psa188@juno.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89172 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 00:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 00:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 00:07:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 00:07:06 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "Bill Hough" X-Originating-IP: 216.194.7.94 X-Yahoo-Profile: psa188 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:07:06 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Damaged / scratched film Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 355 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Warren" wrote: > I recently returned from my first trip to the Jitong Railway and > Jingpeng pass and had a great time. The weather although extremely > cold was great for steam photography. Unfortunately several of my > 35mm films have damage or scratches along them and I would be > grateful if anyone in the group has had similar experiences or could > throw any light on this problem. Andy: Like you I've had some film exposed on Jing Peng Pass come back with scratches. Some of the scratches are relatively light but a few were really bad. After getting back I cleaned out the camera and then I shot three rolls in California that came back fine. I think that it's that very fine particulate matter that can get into the camera no matter how careful you are. Anyway , if anyone wants to see some photos from China, go to http://www.railpictures.net/ and do a search on "China". BH ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2389-1075034232-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 13:40:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01527 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:40:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0PCbJg08541 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:37:19 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2389-1075034232-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 12:37:12 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76645 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 12:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 12:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 12:37:11 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HS1PPW00.9YW for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:37:08 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1233c81211d4.1211d41233c8@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:37:08 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 356 Maybe I'm having a few dollars each way on this topic, but her goes anyway. I agree that Florian has the right to remind us of the purpose of the group, but I also agree with the other side that has gained a lot of very good information for the inexperienced tripper. And that did & still does include me. When we think what should go into the groups reports/threads etc. I seem to remember Florian making an effort to have another site dedicated to Steam news during the main season, but it met with some opposition, as to the need of another site that would duplicate this one, & since then Florian has closed it down. Perhaps as a couple of people has suggested that a "NON" steam news item or a request for information after the initial posting should be replied to off group, thus cutting out what some see as something akin to spam being posted by group members. Personally however, I generally get a lot out of reading any of the threads that come up. For those that don't really interest me I find it easy to delete them. I always delete spam before opening up any of my emails anyway, so by the time I get to the group, my inbox is usually reduced by at least 60% so what's left over is no big deal to me. In regard to the trip reports, I admit to being guilty of not supplying a report of my trip last Nov/Dec, however I did try to post updates regarding each of the locations I went too. On returning home, and trying to catch up with family matters a report was the last thing I would have able to do. But, I really found that after the short updates, and getting to Jitong, what I had to report would have been basically a rehash of all the other reports. So, had I submitted a report almost identical to others, would I have been cluttering up precious web space? Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2390-1075037510-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 14:34:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04027 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:34:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0PDVug10800 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:31:56 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2390-1075037510-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 13:31:50 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43436 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 13:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 13:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 13:31:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 13:31:10 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1233c81211d4.1211d41233c8@goconnect.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:31:08 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 357 Nothing about batteries - with some common sense I think we can all happily survive on this forum as it is for the short period that is left for steam in China. Colin did not post his report because it does not add to previous reports. I can imagine this, it did cross my mind before posting my report with nothing new. But I think even reconformation of what somebody else wrote, is useful to others. And for individual travelers the news is often in small things./ Like the one report that had nothing new to report about PDS but casually stated that his guide took him onto a bus from Zhengzhou to PDS - very useful! Or the news item in the latest report (Adrian Freeman) about the robbing of the bus from Daobingshan to Shenyang. Not nice news, I know, but still good to know. ameling Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2391-1075040414-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 15:24:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06240 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:24:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0PEKNg12645 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:20:23 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2391-1075040414-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 14:20:14 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76513 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 14:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 14:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 14:20:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 14:20:13 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 218.103.205.198 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:20:12 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese steam Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id PAA06240 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 358 There is a thread on hasea.com (and a similar one on Changjiang) asking for news of remaining steam activity in China. Much of it is probably not news to the readers of this newsgroup (and I have not checked these against Florian's list of numbers) but I have shown below some extracts. Notwithstanding that this info is from enthusiasts on the ground, I would not necessarily assume that it is 100% accurate or necessarily representative of the current situation. Anyway, here goes: SY 1576 was recently seen at Nanxiang depot (Shanghai) after overhaul. Baldwin 0-10-0 No 26 is in Shanghai (this is mentioned on my site but I see someone was asking about a railway museum in Shanghai) At Genshanmen station (one station N of Hangzhou) are 11 withdrawn JS 8165, 8168, 8172, 8362, 8382, 8400, 8401, 8402, 8404, 8406, 8407 Also in Hangzhou at Qiaosi station (N of Genshanmen) are two "strategic" JS 8361 and 8381 (aaargh no, it's the strategic reserve!) Tianjin steelworks has SY 0627 and 0691 QJ 7207 is at a power station in Datong Zhuzhou power station has SYs Beipiao Iron mine (Liaoning) has a JS (oou) Between Tumu and Shacheng Dong (w of Beijing), at the bridge construction yard, there are at least two QJ/JS in use (QJs sound a bit unlikely) Jilin Ferroalloy Factory has SYs At the former Xinzhan depot (E of Jilin) there are many former Jilin and Xinzhan QJs and JS, including the last China Rail QJ. QJ 6560 is still at the SanMao (I have seen this mentioned elsewhere and wonder whether this loco has been deliberately kept for preservation) JS 6257 is at Chengchao Iron mine (Wuhan Steel) There are two withdrawn QJs and one JS at Jinzhou depot, including QJ 7103 and JS 6461. JS 6211 and 8116 are in use at Jinzhou power station A JS at Jinzhou No 701 factory Huludao Cement Works has JS and SY (nos not known). There is a QJ at Shouyangshan Power Station (two stations east of Luoyang) Mianchi coal mine has at least one QJ and JS (Mianchi is west of Luoyang) Zhengzhou Aluminium factory has at least one SY Yima Mining bureau has two JS (another post says Yima Colliery has two QJs) Huaibei rail transportation office (Huaibei is in Anhui, SW of Xuzhou) had SY 1429, 1447, 2014, QJs 2092 2277, 3313, 7177, 7178, 7183, 7184 plus five JS. The post says the locos were sold to the National Railways last year, which sounds difficult to believe perhaps another local/industrial railway? QJ 1997 is at Datong (presumably the loco works) SY 0309 and 0688 are at Shahe Steel Wire works (Shahe is N of Beijing on the way to Nankou) SY 0008 and 0124 are at Baotou Beifang Zhonggong Jituan (Northern Heavy Industries Group?) Zaozhuang Mining bureau rail transportation office has around 10 QJ, JS and JF in use (Zaozhuang is N of Xuzhou not far from Peitun) Jiangyou (N of Chengdu) power station has two SYs Hainan has JS 6502- 13 (not in regular use) JS 8258 is at Wujing Coking Plant in Shanghai Longchang Luzhou in Sichuan has QJs Deyang Mianzhu (Sichuan) has SYs (I think I heard once that this was quite mountainous) The Dukou branch at Panzihua (Sichuan) has SYs If anything else emerges, I will try and post it here. RJG Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2392-1075047698-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 17:25:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12610 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:25:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0PGNAg17709 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:23:11 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2392-1075047698-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 16:21:38 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84375 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 16:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 16:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 16:21:35 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-006-118.arcor-ip.net [212.144.6.118]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 32D9170BA53 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:21:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003b01c3e35f$5a5eb3e0$760690d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.42 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:42:57 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese steam, Batteries, NK Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 359 Robin, very interesting list. Huludao number are know whit at least JS 6243, 6305 and SY 0513 (all working in December 2003). I guess Florian has the other numbers on his web site. Luzhou: All staff was trained on DF1 so it may be over there with QJ, only a very few trains (one to two per day). Do you have further information about "Zaozhuang Mining bureau rail transportation office has around 10 QJ, JS and JF in use (Zaozhuang is N of Xuzhou not far from Peitun)"? JF in use seems to be very interesting. How old is your information? Source? Because it seems everybody is very interested in the experiences with batteries and scratches: Given a temperature of minus 20 Degrees: Nikon F301 good Alkaline Batteries (there are also very cheap alkalines, but you can forget them if you like to make pics in the cold) about 15 - 18 films, Nikon F 90 about 7 - 12 films, Nikon F 100 about 3 - 4 films, With Lithium batteries Nikon F 301: the whole trip without problems (more than 40 films), Nikon F 90 at least 30 films, Nikon F100 15 - 20 films. Scratches: The newer Nikons (F100, F5) are much better protected (more and better rubber sealing inside) than F90 or below. My F 90 was nearly destroyed after a day at singing sands, my F100 can stand this easily (three times Jilantai without any problems). However, you should clean your camera from time to time, especially after dusty and windy days. Your tooth are perfect indicators, if you have sand in between, your camera need a "check and clean" too. You're brushing your tooth every day, isn't it? North Korea: On my third trip the MiKa in Sinuiju was indicated as MiKa 172, the odd number my result in the fact that this loco pulled a train with the Great Leader in and therefore wouldn't re-numbered together with all the other locos. The loco is in regular use. My contacts aid it would be possible to charter this loco, unfortunately not in Sinuiju. The first group of westerners ever was allowed to enter the loco shed in Pyongyang for a horrible price. However, it's possible now. (wasn't easy, indeed ...) Wish you a nice weekend, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: huochemi To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese steam There is a thread on hasea.com (and a similar one on Changjiang) asking for news of remaining steam activity in China. Much of it is probably not news to the readers of this newsgroup (and I have not checked these against Florian's list of numbers) but I have shown below some extracts. Notwithstanding that this info is from enthusiasts on the ground, I would not necessarily assume that it is 100% accurate or necessarily representative of the current situation. Anyway, here goes: SY 1576 was recently seen at Nanxiang depot (Shanghai) after overhaul. Baldwin 0-10-0 No 26 is in Shanghai (this is mentioned on my site but I see someone was asking about a railway museum in Shanghai) At Genshanmen station (one station N of Hangzhou) are 11 withdrawn JS 8165, 8168, 8172, 8362, 8382, 8400, 8401, 8402, 8404, 8406, 8407 Also in Hangzhou at Qiaosi station (N of Genshanmen) are two "strategic" JS 8361 and 8381 (aaargh no, it's the strategic reserve!) Tianjin steelworks has SY 0627 and 0691 QJ 7207 is at a power station in Datong Zhuzhou power station has SYs Beipiao Iron mine (Liaoning) has a JS (oou) Between Tumu and Shacheng Dong (w of Beijing), at the bridge construction yard, there are at least two QJ/JS in use (QJs sound a bit unlikely) Jilin Ferroalloy Factory has SYs At the former Xinzhan depot (E of Jilin) there are many former Jilin and Xinzhan QJs and JS, including the last China Rail QJ. QJ 6560 is still at the SanMao (I have seen this mentioned elsewhere and wonder whether this loco has been deliberately kept for preservation) JS 6257 is at Chengchao Iron mine (Wuhan Steel) There are two withdrawn QJs and one JS at Jinzhou depot, including QJ 7103 and JS 6461. JS 6211 and 8116 are in use at Jinzhou power station A JS at Jinzhou No 701 factory Huludao Cement Works has JS and SY (nos not known). There is a QJ at Shouyangshan Power Station (two stations east of Luoyang) Mianchi coal mine has at least one QJ and JS (Mianchi is west of Luoyang) Zhengzhou Aluminium factory has at least one SY Yima Mining bureau has two JS (another post says Yima Colliery has two QJs) Huaibei rail transportation office (Huaibei is in Anhui, SW of Xuzhou) had SY 1429, 1447, 2014, QJs 2092 2277, 3313, 7177, 7178, 7183, 7184 plus five JS. The post says the locos were sold to the National Railways last year, which sounds difficult to believe - perhaps another local/industrial railway? QJ 1997 is at Datong (presumably the loco works) SY 0309 and 0688 are at Shahe Steel Wire works (Shahe is N of Beijing on the way to Nankou) SY 0008 and 0124 are at Baotou Beifang Zhonggong Jituan (Northern Heavy Industries Group?) Zaozhuang Mining bureau rail transportation office has around 10 QJ, JS and JF in use (Zaozhuang is N of Xuzhou not far from Peitun) Jiangyou (N of Chengdu) power station has two SYs Hainan has JS 6502- 13 (not in regular use) JS 8258 is at Wujing Coking Plant in Shanghai Longchang - Luzhou in Sichuan has QJs Deyang - Mianzhu (Sichuan) has SYs (I think I heard once that this was quite mountainous) The Dukou branch at Panzihua (Sichuan) has SYs If anything else emerges, I will try and post it here. RJG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2393-1075056951-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 19:59:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20772 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:59:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0PItwg24109 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:55:58 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2393-1075056951-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 18:55:51 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26449 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 18:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 18:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 18:55:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 28305 invoked by uid 65534); 25 Jan 2004 18:55:46 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b806f2.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO peter) (217.184.6.242) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 19:55:46 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <40141F36.17490.12B5574@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1074932481.197.43389.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:55:34 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Newsgroup Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 360 Hello, I can't really see the need of a limitation on topics. If people have the time, interest or money to spend hours chatting about batteries, films and other stuff that is not steam related - let them do it. I guess that 30 % of all discussions going on during my last December trips were about technical matters (digital vs analogue, new Fiji Verlvia films, lenses, etc). Apparently there is a demand to discuss these issues amongst railway fans, why should they be moved to another group. I decided to get a daily digest only: when it arrives, I quickly scroll through the topics (digested on top of the mails) and then I decide to delete or read it. That's a matter of seconds - both for download and reading. I agree: in the last weeks I mostly deleted the daily digest without even having a look at the mails because I am not interested in technical topics, too. Others are and they should be allowed to put their issues on the table. I would rather opt for a better handling of quotes and quotes of quotes. That's the real annoying thing for me: if I know the topic but have to read through the entire blablabla of all previous postings before I come to the new message. Best Regards, Peter Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2394-1075056956-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 19:59:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20769 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:59:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0PIu8g24126 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:56:08 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2394-1075056956-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 18:56:01 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22212 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 18:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 18:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 18:55:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 28499 invoked by uid 65534); 25 Jan 2004 18:55:48 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b806f2.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO peter) (217.184.6.242) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 19:55:48 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <40141F35.24821.12B5342@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1074932481.197.43389.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:55:33 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Chabuga and East Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 361 Dear Jim, as Florian pointed out: there's no guarantee for steam! We were there mid-January and had 1 day with no diesel at all, 2 days later there was just the passenger train steam hauled - the rest was diesel or diesel+steam. Unfortunately the diesel have a very short turn-around time: they arrive at Chabuga, get no fuel and haul the next train back within an hour. Thus it is pretty easy for JiTong to operate all trains with 5 diesels + the DF4B for training purposes. Interesting thing was that they still had too many steam-crews in mid-January: some trains were hauled by QJ + DF -the diesel did all the work and the steam crew had an easy life and nothing to do. We were told that they simply have to use steam because the crews can't drive anything else. Unfortunately the diesel runs much faster than steam, therefore JiTong prefers to use diesel on this section. The scenery East of Chabuga is good - and a classic green DF4 west of Fuxingdi ist still a nice sight... Peter Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2397-1075067229-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 22:49:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29202 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:49:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0PLlFg30992 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:47:16 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2397-1075067229-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2004 21:47:09 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27789 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 21:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 21:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.183) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 21:47:06 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aks5y-0006kj-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:47:06 +0100 Received: from [62.158.112.213] (helo=eugen) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aks5x-0007fb-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:47:05 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01c3e38b$c70a34c0$d5709e3e@eugen> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.183 From: "Florian Menius" X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:23:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese steam Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 364 Dear Robin, thank you very much for the info! Some lines mentioned are new to me, too. Most interessting facts: 1) Tianjin steelworks still got steam > has SY 0627 and 0691 I also have got SY 1758 on the roster of a steelwork at Jinnan 10km east of Liqizhuang s/e of Tianjin which I suspect to be identical with Tianjin steelworks. 2) Zhuzhou power station has SYs >3) Shacheng Dong (w of Beijing), at least two QJ/JS >in use (QJs sound a bit unlikely) Yes, QJs. They were first reported in May 2002. They are used for construction of a new railway line southwards from there. >4) Jilin Ferroalloy Factory has SYs New to me. 5) Jinzhou >JS 6211 and 8116 are in use at Jinzhou power station >A JS at Jinzhou No 701 factory New to me. QJ 7103 was seen hauling p/w trains between Jinzhou and Shanhaiguan 3 years ago. I think it is possible, that Jinzhou Power Station is identical with the power plant at Bajiaotai 30km north of Jinzhou. JS 6211 was reported there in May 2001 (along with JS 6244). 8116 is new database entry. 6) > Huludao Cement Works has JS and SY (nos not known). This is Yangjiazhangzi-Huludao railway. See my latest report. JS 6243, 6305, 8207 and SY 0513, 1415. A fourth JS (6307) was reported, too. 7) >Mianchi coal mine has at least one QJ and JS (Mianchi is west of Luoyang) Sounds interessting! New to me. 8) >Yima Mining bureau has two JS (another post says Yima Colliery has two QJs) At least 4 working JS (6215, 8087, 8092, 8275) were seen there in Oct 2003. My database lists another 3 JS (5851, 5937, 6061) along with 6 SY (0308, 0945, 1294, 1295, 1419, 1435). 9) Huaibei rail transportation office (Huaibei is in Anhui, SW of Xuzhou) had SY 1429, 1447, 2014, QJs 2092 2277, 3313, 7177, 7178, 7183, 7184 plus five JS. The post says the locos were sold to the National Railways last year, which sounds difficult to believe - perhaps another local/industrial railway? Very interessting! All locos are not listed in my database yet! Requires investigation. 10) Zaozhuang Mining bureau rail transportation office has around 10 QJ, JS and JF in use (Zaozhuang is N of Xuzhou not far from Peitun) Also very interessting and new to me. Hilly landscpape according to maps. 11) Hainan has JS 6502-13 (not in regular use) Rumors of continued steam operation on Hainan never died ... 12) Deyang - Mianzhu (Sichuan) has SYs (I think I heard once that this was quite mountainous) Might be worth a visit. Situated just north of Pengzhou-Baishuihe ng. New to me, too. 13) The Dukou branch at Panzihua (Sichuan) has SYs New to me! By the way: I found another possible steam line recently: the 20-km-branch line from Hexibao (76km NE of Wuwei, Gansu province) to Jinchang. It was owned and operated by a mining company in 1990 and used SYs. No reports since 1990 however. Best regards, Florian Menius PS: As Colin Huessey already said: I tried to etablish a second group for "steam only news" - without success. In my opinion, discussions about batteries, damaged films etc. are off-topic. But as the newsgroup is classified "unmoderated" everybody has got the right to post what comes to his mind. And as long as there is a little bit of relation to Chinese Steam, posting is ok. During the last days/weeks, I felt that too many postings were not about Chinese steam operations and locos (which I consider to be main topic of the newsgroup). If a majority of group members wants to discuss about batteries, please do so. Unfortunately, it happend that under the headline "battery" or "scratched film" steam oberservations appeared. So, it is not possible just to delete any of these message unread. I have to cross-read all these messages in search for possible info. This is what annoys me. PS 2: I was asked, whether there is any interest in establishing a "Chinese_Diesel" - Newsgroup. With steam fading so fast, we`ll have to look for new hoizons (A DF4B or a DF8 is still much better than the majority of other countries` diesel loco. Asked for my favorite diesel locos, rank 1 and 2 would be a M62 and romanian class 60/62 diesel electrics followed by BJ, DF4B, DF8 and DF11...) If there is any interest in such an diesel & electric loco newsgroup, please contact me off-list. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2399-1075075958-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 01:15:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05004 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:15:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0Q0Ctg03616 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:12:57 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2399-1075075958-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 00:12:40 -0000 X-Sender: psa188@juno.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78912 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 00:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 00:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 00:12:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 00:12:35 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Bill Hough" X-Originating-IP: 216.194.22.79 X-Yahoo-Profile: psa188 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:12:34 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] China photos uploaded Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 366 Hello: It was cold in New York today, so I spend the day uploading photos: Railroad: Ji-Tong Locomotive: Steam 2-10-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47742 Railroad: Tiefa Colliery Railway Locomotive: Steam 2-8-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47735 Railroad: Ji-Tong Locomotive: Steam 2-10-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47724 Railroad: Ji-Tong Locomotive: Steam 2-10-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47721 Railroad: Ji-Tong Locomotive: Steam 2-10-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47710 Railroad: Ji-Tong Locomotive: Steam 2-10-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47712 Railroad: Ji-Tong Locomotive: Steam 2-10-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47705 Railroad: Ji-Tong Locomotive: Steam 2-10-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47706 Railroad: Ji-Tong Locomotive: Steam 2-10-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47701 Railroad: Ji-Tong Locomotive: Steam 2-10-2 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=47672 Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2400-1075101203-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 08:34:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21699 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:34:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0Q7DTg18714 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:13:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2400-1075101203-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 07:13:23 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51091 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 07:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 07:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.176) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 07:13:22 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Al0vx-0003Ns-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:13:21 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Al0vx-0007IV-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:13:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4014BE0E.FB6940C8@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.176 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:13:18 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Meihekou Map Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 367 Hello, I have uploaded a new, improved Meihekou Map now. ( http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~menius/trains/china359.htm ) Best regards, Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2401-1075119533-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 13:22:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04967 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:22:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0QCJ0g15873 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:19:00 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2401-1075119533-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2004 12:18:54 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31961 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 12:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 12:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 12:18:49 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HS3JJ400.6PG for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:18:40 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <12570a122a9f.122a9f12570a@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:18:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese steam Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 368 I have rechecked the notes that I have re Pei-Tun area & I have the folowing list of 4 mines that were part of the operations ""Coal mines called Yaoqiao, Xuzhuang, Kongzhuang, Zhangshuanglou."" These names were given me by Jun from CTS at Chengde prior to my visit after my request for information abou the mines in the region. On the visit to the line the depot staff advised me that they served 7 mines now, with more to possibly to come. Thus the propossed overhaul of the 7077 & 7176. I contacted Bernd Seiler about the names, whether he knew of them (not as just part of the Pei-Tun local coal lines) & as I no longer have this response he did mention one of the line anmes as being one in the Huaibei area south of Xuzhou while saying that the others were probably local names for coal mines (I think) I was unable to find out anything about the Huaibei area from Xuzhou CITS as basically train photographers were completely new to them> Only Peter Patt & myself had used them. I did hear of another local coal mine that was supossed to exist somewhere to the north of Xuzhou that operated QJ & JS with the JS also working passenger trains. Having checked my maps I suspect that this could well be the Zaozhuang Mining bureau rail transportation. I think that there could be several prospects for anyone who would be able to investigate this area further Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2402-1075164915-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 02:00:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05224 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 02:00:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0R0tLg06804 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:55:22 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2402-1075164915-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 00:55:15 -0000 X-Sender: pghogan@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22810 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 00:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 00:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 00:55:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 00:54:08 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Paul Hogan" X-Originating-IP: 144.139.141.118 X-Yahoo-Profile: pgh220 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:54:07 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Photo Upload Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 369 Just as a gentle reminder of why we pursue this crazy hobby, I've uploaded a pic taken on last year's trip to the Photos page. Look for caption "Tunnel 4_B". It is actually viewed better full size - click the thumbnmail, then click it again for the larger image. I'm informed that due acknowledgment should be given to Mike Tyack's group for pioneering this "across the valley" aspect - it's certainly a bloody long climb up there! btw, Florian, I was going to post image to the "Files" section, but it's almost out of space, mainly with the archive entries from both photo competitions. From experience here with a local rail interest group, we found it useful to leave the "Files" section available for single photo uploads or current news pictures, and put all the photo albums under "Photos". Just a thought. My Last Word on batteries etc. :-) I thought I'd let things calm down a bit before commenting, but it was disappointing to see continued criticism after I'd already apologised for the "offending" post. For the record, I do know how to use a search engine, and had searched dozens of sites before asking my admittedly detailed question here. What is interesting is that there were fewer direct replies (about 5 I think) to my question than there were posts arguing about what should or should not be allowed on the group! And the responses I received, on-list and off, have all been relevant, specific, and above all very helpful, from steam photographers who had used the same equipment. No other forum in the world could have provided this sort of direct experience, related to our photographic specialty. I rest my case! Our group leave for China this Friday. Depending on our hectic schedule, and proximity of an internet cafe, I'll try and provide a brief report of anything of interest. No battery updates, promise! Cheers, Paul Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2403-1075179352-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 06:02:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12363 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:02:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0R4txg23222 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:55:59 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2403-1075179352-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 04:55:53 -0000 X-Sender: chinatt@eudoramail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6250 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 04:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 04:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO whowhere.com) (209.202.220.218) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 04:55:50 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:55:34 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 159.157.251.43 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.202.220.218 From: "Duncan Peattie" X-Yahoo-Profile: duncanpeattie MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:55:34 0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Fwd: Open-pit coal mines in Nei Menggu Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 370 The following (received from another newsgroup) may be of interest. Please feel free to contact me off-list for further information. Duncan Peattie --------- Forwarded Message --------- > Are there any other similar opportunities to visit > industrial sites as a tourist? I've never heard of > any, unless you count the railway enthusiasts who > sneak their way into train depots . . . In the past few months of studying in Heilongjiang province I discovered the joys of the "industrial tourist"-- for although in the extreme northern reaches of China the standard bearers of thousand year-old temples and sheer misty mountains might be in short supply, the country's "means of production" (continuing and now forsaken) are abound. What's more, in my experience, it is often easy enough to go visit factories, mines, etc., simply because no high-level manager has long enough considered the possibility that a curious foreigner might want to visit such a place in order to disallow it. One good place to visit is the coal mine (mei(2)kuang(4)) in the Inner Mongolian town of Za(1)lai(4). A few months ago, I found myself in the Sino-Russian border town of Manzhouli in Northeastern Inner Mongolia. Taking a hint from the Lonely Planet: China guide (whose sections on this not-oft travelled part of the country are quite incomplete and out-of-date, I might add), I decided to try to visit this giant open-pit mine where steam locomotives are still used to haul anthracite around the pit depots. The mine, in Zalai (also called Zailainuo'er), is about half an hour by bus from Manzhouli. The Manzhouli CITS and a few other travel agencies in the town (which cater almost entirely to Russian tourist groups which come over the border for weekend trips to buy discounted fur coats and such) twice told me and a friend that the mine did not in fact exist and so was impossible to visit. Instead of losing hope, however, I simply took these dismissals the agency's way of saying that I didn't need to purchase any permits in order to visit. Speaking briefly with a few residents of Manzhouli, I easily confirmed the existence of the coal mine (it's big-- it would be hard not of know of such a thing, i guess), and found out that there was actually a city bus which made the journey across the grasslands to Zalai from where I could take a five kuai cab just outside of town to the edge of the mine. Easy. Once there, standing at the steep edge, all I could really see was a huge hole in the earth, slowly being made bigger and deeper, and blue blue sky dotted everywhere around by white puffs from steam engines. No fences, no guards, no signs. So off I went with my two companions down the sides of the pit, pass the miners in the canteen, who smiled and happily returned "nimen hao"s , and the "official" in the track switching station, who seemed to think we had a good reason for being there (Russian geological experts?) and who, as long as we got out of the way of oncoming trains in time, seemed completely unconcerned with us taking pictures of the many steam engines and hopping around tracks and bridges and coal cars. After about an hour, we got up the gumption to ask (that is, smile and wave at) the engineers in one locomotive that didn't seem to be going anywhere, and ask if we could come aboard. The younger two of the three guys inside seemed very happy to have us there, (the third, a bit older, remained aloof and tried to keep up a bit of professional propriety) and they gladly pointed out all the engine controls, showed us how to properly shovel coal into the burner, and told us about the history of the mine (apparently started about 100 years ago by Russians). The engineers' proud response when asked why their mine in this frigid land still uses super-hot steam engines when most other mines in China have already converted to gas powered trains?-- Diesel freezes. Half an hour later, when it was time for that engine to leave, all three posed for pictures against the boiler plate, warned us to be careful of the steam exhaust as they pulled out, and jovially sent us on our way to snap a few more pictures from below. Everyone in the cab waved as they pulled on by us around the bend. Everyone except for the old engineer, that is-- he was blowing the whistle. Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2408-1075204378-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 18:12:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24395 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:12:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RBr4g31162 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:53:05 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2408-1075204378-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 11:52:58 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@AOL.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59147 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 11:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 11:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 11:52:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 11:52:28 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "David Huntbatch" X-Originating-IP: 217.34.39.175 X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:52:27 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Locomotive Line Drawings Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 373 Does anyone know if there are any line drawings on the Internet of Chinese steam locomotives, such as QJ, JS and SY Classes? David Huntbatch Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2412-1075217526-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 18:12:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24409 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:12:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RFWDg24430 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:32:13 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2412-1075217526-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 15:32:06 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29110 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 15:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 15:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 15:32:04 -0000 Received: from DavidHuntbatch@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.1ec.17fab7ac (4184) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:31:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1ec.17fab7ac.2d47de37@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:31:03 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Locomotive Line Drawings Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 374 Many thanks Ronald this is what I was looking for. Any ideas about JS or SY? David Huntbatch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2409-1075208415-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 18:39:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28519 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:39:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RD0Pg22023 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:00:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2409-1075208415-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 13:00:18 -0000 X-Sender: alexgillieron@yahoo.fr X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13495 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 13:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 13:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 13:00:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20040127130008.59248.qmail@web25202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.10.40.69] by web25202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:00:08 CET To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.12.10.62 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?alexandre=20gillieron?= X-Yahoo-Profile: alexgillieron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:00:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Steam_in_China] NK steam into China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id SAA28519 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 375 Hi, Back from a successfull North Korea steam tour, I'm looking quite interested for reports about NK steam workings across the border to China, as it is the only possibility to phot them freely. Unfortunately, informations about these workings are very rare and some of the border crossing lines were even never visited by gricers. One thing that seems nearly sure is that all lines are operated on a yearly basis by China Rail (Russian Railways?) on even years and North Korean Railway on uneven years. Now to the lines : 1) Tumen - Namyang : this well-known border crossing was still steam worked in the 1990's with various Mikas and 2-10-0 from NK. No recent reports can be found as none went there since the end of steam on CNR. It is not impossible that Korean steam was still used during last year. A confirmation would be welcomed. 2) Man'po - Ji'an : confirmed steam worked last year by Peter Patt in this forum. This year (2004), CNR diesel have taken over so let's hope for 2005. 3) Sinuiju - Dandong : No steam but North Korean M62 were working in 2003 (info by F. Menius). However in january 2004, ugly chinese DF7 or DF5 (I'm not sure as I'm absolutely not interested!) had taken over the turns. In Sinuiju, Mika 172 'Kim Il Sung-rode-on-it' was busy shunting. 4) Chasong - Dalizi : narrow gauge (!) line crossing the border into China. No informations available (from Bernd Seiler Farrail site). 5) Supung - Shanghekou : no infos. Any sightings/informations about these lines would be extremely welcomed, also about other lines not mentioned here, as the line(s?) into Russia... Best regards Alexandre Gillieron --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Testez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2411-1075214282-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 18:40:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27809 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:34:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0REcLg22938 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:38:38 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2411-1075214282-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 14:38:10 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81671 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 14:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 14:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.6) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 14:33:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:33:09 -0800 Received: from 68.107.246.11 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:33:09 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2004 14:33:09.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C5B5CD0:01C3E4E2] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.6 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [68.107.246.11] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:33:09 +0000 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Locomotive Line Drawings Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 376 David, Hans Schaefer has drawings of a QJ on his webpage. http://home.c2i.net/schaefer/chinarail.html Look under the QJ details section for a front and side view. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2413-1075224283-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 19:04:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02456 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:04:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RHOsg20444 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:24:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2413-1075224283-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 17:24:48 -0000 X-Sender: davidk@brocross.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71214 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 17:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 17:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dolphin.esosoft.net) (66.113.66.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 17:24:17 -0000 Received: from host81-128-51-229.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.128.51.229] helo=Uncle-Staveley) by dolphin.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AlWwA-0003S8-2v for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:23:42 -0800 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <40169E99.1263.EC9FDD@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.113.66.14 From: "David Kitching" X-Yahoo-Profile: davidkbrocross MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:23:37 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Fwd: Open-pit coal mines in Nei Menggu Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id TAA02456 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 377 On 27 Jan 2004 at 4:55, Duncan Peattie wrote: > The following (received from another newsgroup) may be of interest. Please feel free to contact me off-list for further information. This is the opencast mine at Jalainur isn't it? There are some images from my visit in 1992 at: http://www.brocross.com/china/jalainur.htm I understand that the operations there are much reduced these days, but steam hangs on with quite a few SY still in use, but no longer the JFs. Cheers, -- David Kitching http://www.brocross.com fearrmeox adla brgen Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2406-1075199747-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 19:35:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07879 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:35:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RAZsg00421 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:35:55 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2406-1075199747-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 10:35:48 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93149 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 10:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 10:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 10:35:42 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HS59ES00.5GK for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:35:16 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <12e1d1130ecc.130ecc12e1d1@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:35:16 +1100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Photo's uploaded Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 378 PS I forgot to mention note the 3 types of high deflectors on the engines & the paint work on the smokebox whiskers. I noted orange, red & white colourings as well as coloured front endges on some of the Pei-Tun Qj's Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2407-1075199845-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 19:36:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07984 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:36:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RAbag02495 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:37:36 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2407-1075199845-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 10:37:30 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96106 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 10:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 10:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 10:37:24 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HS599A00.1GA for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:31:58 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <12e54e12cef9.12cef912e54e@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:31:58 +1100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] photo's uploaded Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 379 THis is to advise that I have uploaded some photo's in Colins folder. I will endeavout to upload more as time progresses Also I have deleted some Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2414-1075229942-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 20:46:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18001 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:46:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RIx9g32379 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:59:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2414-1075229942-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 18:59:03 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55517 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 18:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 18:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-01.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 18:58:59 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-012-004.arcor-ip.net [212.144.12.4]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AEC07553D8 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:58:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006e01c3e507$aed6a460$641b90d4@farrail> To: References: <40169E99.1263.EC9FDD@localhost> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.41 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:25:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Fwd: Open-pit coal mines in Nei Menggu Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id UAA18001 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 380 Hi, Jalai Nur is working at a reduced level every winter. They are using about 15 - 20 locomotives in winter and about 25 - 38 in summer. The ground is frozen in the winter, that's one of the reasons for "limited" action. The output of the mine was reduced because of the declined demand of coal by the industry. JF's are oou but still in place. However, one of the most fascinating sites for steam! Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kitching To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Fwd: Open-pit coal mines in Nei Menggu On 27 Jan 2004 at 4:55, Duncan Peattie wrote: > The following (received from another newsgroup) may be of interest. Please feel free to contact me off-list for further information. This is the opencast mine at Jalainur isn't it? There are some images from my visit in 1992 at: http://www.brocross.com/china/jalainur.htm I understand that the operations there are much reduced these days, but steam hangs on with quite a few SY still in use, but no longer the JFs. Cheers, -- David Kitching http://www.brocross.com fearrmeox adla brgen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2415-1075240276-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 22:58:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04424 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:58:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RLrbg12008 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:53:37 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2415-1075240276-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 21:51:22 -0000 X-Sender: johnmday@telus.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18401 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 21:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 21:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 21:29:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 21:28:49 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "John Day" X-Originating-IP: 154.5.167.28 X-Yahoo-Profile: trolleyjolly MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:28:48 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Damaged / scratched film Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 381 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hough" wrote: > Like you I've had some film exposed on Jing Peng Pass come back with > scratches. Some of the scratches are relatively light but a few were > really bad. After getting back I cleaned out the camera and then I > shot three rolls in California that came back fine. I think that it's > that very fine particulate matter that can get into the camera no > matter how careful you are. Sorry to belabour this point, Florian, but it's important to some of us. I've wondered if the cause of the scratches might be fine ice crystals, perhaps trapped in the casette felt? We hear of cameras freezing up in the cold, there is no reason why ice could not form anywhere that there's moisture condensing. Jingpeng is dusty but there are many other places just as dusty that do not seem to produce the adverse effects being reported. John Day Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2416-1075241524-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 23:17:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05991 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:17:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RMCQg20181 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:12:27 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2416-1075241524-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 22:12:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 35873 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 20:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 20:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 20:32:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 20:32:48 -0000 Message-ID: <1075235565.95124.78691.w18@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files From: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 27 Jan 2004 20:32:45 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New file uploaded to Steam_in_China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 382 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Steam_in_China group. File : /Jingpeng_Map.jpg Uploaded by : captnhinni Description : Updated map of the Jingpeng Pass between Jingpeng and Reshui You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/files/Jingpeng_Map.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, captnhinni Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2417-1075243068-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 23:42:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07724 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:42:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0RMcQg28080 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:38:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2417-1075243068-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 22:38:00 -0000 X-Sender: hinrich.bruemmer@t-online.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62367 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 20:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 20:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 20:36:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 20:35:52 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "captnhinni" X-Originating-IP: 62.226.145.68 X-Yahoo-Profile: captnhinni MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:35:51 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Updated map Jingpeng Pass Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 383 Hi, I've just uploaded an updated map of the Jingpeng Pass area to the files section. It is based on the maps of Julian Blanc, Hans Schaefer and Louis Cerny and the GPS-Data provided by Hans Schaefer on his website. I hope it might be of use to those still visiting the place Regards Hinrich Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2418-1075248956-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 01:21:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14814 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:21:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0S0G2g23228 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:16:05 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2418-1075248956-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 00:15:56 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86049 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 22:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 22:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 22:39:30 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HS66XE00.8VK for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:39:14 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <12feda1345a0.1345a012feda@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:39:14 +1100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] new line construction Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 384 I found this article on a Chinese railfan bulletin board. It may be know to some but others not. It may not directly mean steam, but with the construction of this line who knows if it not use steam during construction Colin Hussey MANILA, Dec. 15 (Xinhuanet) -- The Asian Development Bank (ADB) Monday approved a loan of 500 million US dollars for China's east-west railway projects to relieve the country's serious bottleneck in the rail network. The project will include a 377-km of electrified single-track railway between Yichang in Hubei Province and Wanzhou in ChongqingMunicipality, power facilities freight yards, signaling and communications, maintenance and container handling equipment, and train control systems, the Manila-based ADB said in a statement. Some 24 new stations will be opened along the route and two existing ones expanded. The railway will shorten various routes across the north- south and east-west axes of the country, providing the fastest land link between Shanghai on the east coastand Chengdu and Chongqing, key growth areas in the west. "In line with the Government's western development strategy, the project will provide a less costly, more reliable and safe transport between major economic centers, promoting economic development in the isolated project areas along the way," said Hiromi Sakurai, an ADB Financial Specialist. "A shorter east-west route will also increase the transport capacity in the central corridor and the flow of goods and people,so that not only railway users, but also the nationwide producers and consumers will benefit from better, more, and faster trade." The track will run through eight counties, five of them poor, across rugged terrain. Importantly, the project will also help reform the sector by promoting greater play in market forces and increased competitiveness. The total cost of the project is expected to be 2.36 billion dollars and the project is due for completion at the end of 2009. Enditem ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2410-1075212478-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 06:47:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04131 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:47:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i0RE86j05156 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:08:06 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2410-1075212478-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 14:07:59 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82103 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 14:05:57 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 218.102.181.230 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:05:56 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese Steam Part 2 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 385 A couple more entries. The Dongfeng Company (an automobile company) at Shiyan has 10+ SYs. (Shiyan is west of Xiangfan, and someone has added that Zhangwan station (which appears to be on the industrial complex) is a good place to watch the activity). Liujiang Colliery near Qinhuangdao Bei has SYs. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2420-1075290389-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 12:47:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02163 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:47:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i0SBktj06430 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:46:56 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2420-1075290389-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 11:46:30 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13589 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 11:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 11:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 11:46:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 11:44:24 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ec.17fab7ac.2d47de37@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 219.76.96.5 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:44:23 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Locomotive Line Drawings Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 386 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, DavidHuntbatch@A... wrote: > Many thanks Ronald this is what I was looking for. Any ideas about JS or SY? > > David Huntbatch > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is a copy of the GA from the QJ manual on my site at http://www.railwaysofchina.com/images/qj_ga.jpg I have uploaded a GA of an SL and tender which used to be on Mike Powell's site http://www.railwaysofchina.com/images/sl_ga.gif and http://www.railwaysofchina.com/images/sl_tender.gif Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2421-1075297102-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 23:15:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00931 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:15:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0SDcTg00551 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:38:29 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2421-1075297102-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 13:38:22 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65140 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 13:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 13:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 13:38:19 -0000 Received: from DavidHuntbatch@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.21.39cd25b5 (3874) for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:30:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21.39cd25b5.2d491364@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 205.188.157.36 From: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:30:12 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Fwd: Open-pit coal mines in Nei Menggu Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 387 Will be at Jalainur in less than 3 weeks time and will give an update then. David Huntbatch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2419-1075289698-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 23:16:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01145 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:16:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0SBZ9g27205 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:35:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2419-1075289698-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 11:35:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 7127 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 11:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 11:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 11:34:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 11:31:40 -0000 Message-ID: <1075289487.3085.29235.w61@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files From: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 28 Jan 2004 11:31:27 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New file uploaded to Steam_in_China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 388 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Steam_in_China group. File : / CNR Symbols/CR_LOGO.JPG Uploaded by : huochemi Description : drawing of CNR logo You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/files/%20CNR%20Symbols/CR_LOGO.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, huochemi Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2422-1075441776-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 06:54:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06051 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:54:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0U5ngg08309 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:49:43 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2422-1075441776-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 05:49:36 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61354 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 05:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 05:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 05:49:32 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HSAG6F00.3EW for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:49:27 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <152da514cbf9.14cbf9152da5@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:49:27 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Locomotive Line Drawings Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 389 David I sent you a copy of a JS line drawing on 28 January, it has been returnde as rejected mail. Please contact me offgroup if you are interested in it. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2423-1075494665-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 21:48:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29610 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:48:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0UKiYg07871 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:44:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2423-1075494665-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2004 20:31:05 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74500 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2004 20:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2004 20:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep04-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.132) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 20:31:03 -0000 Received: from fep04-svc.swip.net ([192.168.145.12]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20040130202830.RCPU1827.fep04-svc.swip.net@fep04-svc.swip.net> for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:28:30 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20040130202830.RCPU1827.fep04-svc.swip.net@fep04-svc.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 130.244.199.132 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [193.217.196.11] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:28:30 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] How many foreigners are visiting Jingpeng pass? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 390 Hi, I am trying to figure out how much money we foreigners contribute in the Reshui to Jingpeng area. Thus I would like to get some estimates about how many foreigners are in the area every day. No big deal. What I would like to get is the following data: 1 - Your personal estimate at times you were there, how many foreigners were there every day, and the month and year. 2 - Your best guess about how much money people would use to buy local goods and services, per day. What I will use it for: To find out the money flowing into the area because of steam. I may use the numbers in some discussion with Jitong management this autumn, about keeping a few engines for "plandampf" purposes. 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 391 Hi; I was going to react privately on this mail but then I realised the idea I have might be interesting for other group members with some connections in China besides Hans as well. While my stay in JingPeng last month, we had some conversations about the dissapearing of steam on JingPeng and how it would be possible to slow it down a little. If I understand earlier information right, JiTong is not demanding to dieselise JingPeng but the government is forcing them to. If this is correct, maybe you can ask JiTong to allready keep the part Daban-Haoluku in service until all the other places are allready dieselised. At this point, the plan is to dieselise in phases from Chabuga towards Baiqi if I'm not mistaking, but wouldn't they at least be interested to keep the JingPeng-pass original until the very last minute? I think, this is a reasonable ammendment made on Hans' previous idea so maybe, you can ask this too? I was also thinking about starting a petition to give this idea more power towards JiTong. It seems realistic to search a lot of persons willing to sign this petition. And my last suggestion: wouldn't it be a good idea to contact the guides in China as well to proof you're right about the fact we bring some money into the region? In each case, I've been to JiTong twice now (ten days in total, really not enough). I'm planning to go back this summer and next winter. I think, I spent some 40 a day (hotel, taxi, food, souvenirs,...) I still haven't got the time to give a report on my second week in China. Teaching kids really keeps me busy... I hope to change this soon as information is becoming irrelevant. Sorry for the very long delay... Regards, Dave p.s.: people here in Belgium are finally awakening about China now that I've showed them some of my pictures. Much too late of course, like me :-(( >From: Hans Schaefer >Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Steam_in_China] How many foreigners are visiting Jingpeng pass? >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:28:30 +0100 > >Hi, > >I am trying to figure out how much money we foreigners >contribute in the Reshui to Jingpeng area. > >Thus I would like to get some estimates about how many >foreigners are in the area every day. > >No big deal. > >What I would like to get is the following data: > >1 - Your personal estimate at times you were there, how >many foreigners were there every day, and the month and >year. >2 - Your best guess about how much money people would >use to buy local goods and services, per day. > >What I will use it for: > >To find out the money flowing into the area because of >steam. I may use the numbers in some discussion with >Jitong management this autumn, about keeping a few >engines for "plandampf" purposes. > >Hans Schaefer >hans.schaefer@ieee.org > >------------------------------------------------- >WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no >------------------------------------------------- > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger je favoriete software van 2003? Stem op http://pcmagazine.zdnet.be/pvhj.cfm ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Just to recap, there was no sign of the diesel(s) originally expected during 2003 and the new building, at one time believed to be for them, was being used as a steam maintenance shed. We were unable to ascertain if diesels are indeed expected, and we have not had reports from visitors (or others) on this subject. Does anybody in the group have information, as we are considering returning during 2004? Also, at the risk of upsetting Florian (and others), an additional question concerns the weather. During November 2002 and December 2003 , out of a total 13 days we only experienced 1.5 days of sun. We visited in winter hoping for cool, bright conditions with some exhaust. As very little exhaust was apparent through the gloom anyway, perhaps the best time to visit is when sun can be best expected, and not worry about high temperatures. Any information or thoughts? Thanks, Barry Burns [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2426-1075560635-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 15:54:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26225 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:54:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0VEohg26118 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:50:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2426-1075560635-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 14:50:36 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73373 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 14:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 14:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep01-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.129) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 14:50:34 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.16]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20040131121907.TIUX9022.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:19:07 +0100 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20040131121907.TIUX9022.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 130.244.199.129 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [193.217.195.54] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:19:07 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng, steam and money Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 393 Thank you for some interesting answers so far. I need more. My general idea is first to establish some data about how much money we railway enthusiasts put into the local economy. The next idea is to discuss some kind of special operation after end of steam with Jitong management, if there is any interest from them. My argument would be, amongst others, how much money we put into the local economy (minus mafia). - But even the mafia is using their money locally, a lot. Probably for expensive local meals and prositutes :). I will make them aware of operations like Wolsztyn in Poland, and some German railways making money on tourist specials, driver and fireman training, cab rides etc. What comes out of this is difficult to say. I do not know if government will plainly forbid to run any steam at all, even tourist specials. I have no idea yet, how long time an engine can be kept operational before heavy repair. Until now I only know how many kilometers they can run before repair in the works. But if they run tourist operations they wilol not run the kilometers, but time goes by. I have no idea if there are time restrictions on boiler repairs etc. I think te only argument interesting for them is cash. If I can make a case so they see they can make money on keeping some steam going, even if only for tourists, I think there could be something. Otherwise probably not. Yours Hans Schaefer ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2427-1075563919-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 16:54:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29325 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:54:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0VFjQg00855 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:45:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2427-1075563919-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2004 15:45:20 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47835 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2004 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2004 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 15:45:18 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-006-129.arcor-ip.net [212.144.6.129]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BDD01768E3F for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:43:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <010d01c3e811$1dc629c0$9f44fe91@farrail> To: References: <000501c3e7fa$ed025860$c40e883e@globalnet.co.uk.www.yourdomain.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.42 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:20:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Hechi - Steam and Sun Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 394 Dear Barry, the best chance for good weather with reasonable temperatures you may have in September/October/beginning of November and in March. Between May and August there might be temperatures above 40 degrees centigrade. Sun is never guaranteed, indeed. Dieselisation: On my web site (were are all the maps are available -> trip reports) I published only time tables (not very useful if you know how they operate) and the maps on the English section, but in the German section I have written something about the diesels. In November 2003 the management made the decision not to introduce diesel before end of 2004. They will meet again in summer or autumn 2004 to decide when they'll change to diesel. The staff at the stations and depots of the three visited lines of the Guangxi Local Railway Ltd said they were told diesel will appear in 2005. So there might be a good chance to see steam until March 2005. I have planned to go there in early October 2004 again. Maybe it will be the last visit to this fantastic line (do not beat me but I find this area much better than the pass, even with less trains and only a single engine in front of a train). Greetings to all of the group (in a few hours I disappear to the last great winter steam show in the biggest fridge I've ever been - Inner Mongolia) Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Burns To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Hechi - Steam and Sun I visited Hechi with Dave Whitfield in December 2003, as reported on Rob Dickinson's site. Just to recap, there was no sign of the diesel(s) originally expected during 2003 and the new building, at one time believed to be for them, was being used as a steam maintenance shed. We were unable to ascertain if diesels are indeed expected, and we have not had reports from visitors (or others) on this subject. Does anybody in the group have information, as we are considering returning during 2004? Also, at the risk of upsetting Florian (and others), an additional question concerns the weather. During November 2002 and December 2003 , out of a total 13 days we only experienced 1.5 days of sun. We visited in winter hoping for cool, bright conditions with some exhaust. As very little exhaust was apparent through the gloom anyway, perhaps the best time to visit is when sun can be best expected, and not worry about high temperatures. Any information or thoughts? Thanks, Barry Burns [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2428-1075620462-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 1 08:38:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07652 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:38:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i117Rmg13395 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:27:48 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2428-1075620462-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 07:27:42 -0000 X-Sender: mbkmav@powerup.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50185 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 07:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 07:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smta05.mail.ozemail.net) (203.103.165.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 07:27:38 -0000 Received: from n8f1r1 ([210.84.80.244]) by smta05.mail.ozemail.net with SMTP id <20040201072329.JPFQ6325.smta05.mail.ozemail.net@n8f1r1> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:23:29 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c3e87a$0eb67ac0$f45054d2@n8f1r1> To: References: <20040131121907.TIUX9022.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.103.165.90 From: "Marilyn Beale" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:15:40 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng, steam and money Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 395 Hans, I know that Quensland Heritage Rail totally rebuild steam boilers each ten years. Don't know if that is standard for steam everywhere. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Schaefer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng, steam and money > Thank you for some interesting answers so far. > > I need more. > > My general idea is first to establish some data about how > much money we railway enthusiasts put into the local > economy. > > The next idea is to discuss some kind of special operation > after end of steam with Jitong management, if there is any > interest from them. My argument would be, amongst others, > how much money we put into the local economy (minus > mafia). - But even the mafia is using their money locally, a > lot. Probably for expensive local meals and prositutes :). > > I will make them aware of operations like Wolsztyn in > Poland, and some German railways making money on tourist > specials, driver and fireman training, cab rides etc. > > What comes out of this is difficult to say. I do not know if > government will plainly forbid to run any steam at all, even > tourist specials. I have no idea yet, how long time an engine > can be kept operational before heavy repair. Until now I only > know how many kilometers they can run before repair in the > works. But if they run tourist operations they wilol not run > the kilometers, but time goes by. I have no idea if there are > time restrictions on boiler repairs etc. > > I think te only argument interesting for them is cash. If I can > make a case so they see they can make money on keeping > some steam going, even if only for tourists, I think there > could be something. Otherwise probably not. > > Yours > > Hans Schaefer > > > ------------------------------------------------- > WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2429-1075644923-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 1 15:51:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26820 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:51:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i11EFTg02612 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:15:29 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2429-1075644923-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 14:15:23 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77496 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 14:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 14:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta04-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 14:15:21 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.204.33]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040201141447.NKDS22174.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:14:47 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040131121907.TIUX9022.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.44 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:14:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng, steam and money Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 396 Hans, Bearing in mind that most visitors to Jingpeng have their trips organised by one of a handful of Chinese travel organisations, your best bet would be to contact them. It's in their interest that steam continues as well, so they should be willing to help with the numbers. I do have grave reservations about what you're trying to do. It's happened in a number of countries when normal steam operation has finished. Some well meaning individuals made arrangements to keep steam alive and, more often than not, it turned into a circus. The attraction of China for many of us is that the steam is real. Once you start trying to attract tourists rather than to move goods from A to B, the nature of the operation changes and it rapidly loses it's authenticity. Chinese steam has been fantastic, but when it's over, it's over, finished. Anything you manage to organise won't be the same and it won't appeal to many of those who troop to Jingpeng every winter. Think through the practicalities. You say that the locos won't run the kilometers. If they don't, there won't be many trains and if there aren't many trains, there won't be many visitors. Remember most visitors are photographers, not train riders or amateur footplate crew. There needs to be enough traffic to make it worth peoplee travelling from the US, Europe or Australia in large numbers. That means at least 3 trains each way a day, every day. If you just have a steam festival week every year, all you're going to do is fill the hotels for a week. What the local economy needs is a steady flow of visitors every week, not a glut one week then nobody for months. That means running every day for at least the autumn and winter months. It's not going to be economic to run 100% diesel in summer then 50% steam in winter, so it's got to be a year round operation to make sense. Overhaul capability is critical if you want to keep things going for more than a year or so. I imagine there are Chinese government regulations covering boilers and other pressure vessels. This may be where the 20 year rule which has been applied at JiTong recently comes from. Boiler regulations are likely to require work to be carried out after specific time intervals. I recall hearing 3 years somewhere. It may be that JiTong's locos normally reach a mileage limit before this time limit is reached, but there will almost certainly be a time limit. If you could keep Daban-Haoluku 100% steam there might be enough work to keep Sujiatun or Changchun in business doing overhauls, assuming that CNR will accept the locos travelling over its lines. If not, Daban would have to be equipped to provide full overhauls and that would need a considerable investment, which is unlikely. What you may be able to do is influence the way the railway dieselises. Firstly, allocate any new diesels to Baiqi - nobody goes there so it's not so much of a loss. Secondly reallocate Baiqi's better QJs to Daban to maximise the number of good engines there. Thirdly, keep Jingpeng 100% steam until everywhere else is fully dieselised - that will maximise the length of time it's worth people visiting. Fouthly, when the time comes to introduce diesels over the pass, avoid steam/diesel double headers to maximise the trains people will want to photograph. Even so, it won't postpone the end by more than a year. I know that your intentions are good but I'm not convinced that what you are doing will have the desired effect. What do others think? Duncan Quality Railway Photographs on the web at: http://www.railography.co.uk/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2430-1075652348-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 1 17:23:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02631 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:23:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i11GJEg16630 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:19:15 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2430-1075652348-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 16:19:08 -0000 X-Sender: Trainrider47@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71325 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 16:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 16:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 16:19:05 -0000 Received: from Trainrider47@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.191.24a11c61 (3924) for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:16:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <191.24a11c61.2d4e805d@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.98 From: trainrider47@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: a231pacific MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:16:29 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digest Number 562 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 397 RE:Subject: How many foreigners are visiting Jingpeng pass? I've been to China six times since 2000, always spending some time at Reshui and Jing Peng Pass. As the end draws near and logging railways have ended, I've been spending about 8-10 days per trip in Reshui, going twice per year with a party of between 2 & 5 persons. We stay in whichever hotel is currently the best, most recently the LongQuan hotel and eating breakfast and dinner at the "Gold Springs" restaurant. We have a guide and driver from Chengde and they make all the hotel and meal payments, so I don't know how much this actually means for Reshui. Perhaps Hans can work it out. In November, there were some days when we were the only visitors, on other days I counted up to 10 other persons. In January, I spotted two British groups of 6 or 7 each, Nils Huxtable's group of 12, a couple of groups of 2 - 3 Germans each, a Chinese railfan and a Japanese railfan in addition to our group of 3. This was from January 5-15. Most seemed to be staying at the LongQuan, some taking their meals there, others taking meals at the "Gold Springs" restaurant. I intend to make at least two more 10 day visits in the winter of 2004-2005, assuming there is still steam. I hope this helps. Michael Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2431-1075673201-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 1 23:09:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22578 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:09:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i11M6lg22566 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:06:48 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2431-1075673201-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 22:06:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 30503 invoked by uid 7800); 1 Feb 2004 22:06:40 -0000 X-Sender: david@railwayana.fsnet.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23632 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 15:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 15:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 15:15:06 -0000 Received: from modem-1192.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.220.168] helo=roberta) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AnJJ5-0004WG-M3 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:14:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c3e8d6$289b0800$a8dc193e@roberta> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.92.195.175 From: "David Scudamore" X-Yahoo-Profile: scotts31a X-eGroups-Approved-By: steamfreak711 via email; 1 Feb 2004 22:06:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:14:06 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Class SD 2-10-2 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 398 Does anyone have details of the SD class 2-10-2 ( ie builder/date built etc ). Only loco of class I've seen was SD 7071 many years ago at Tientsin. Re Jingpeng Pass debate - I would only continue to visit China if there were genuine revenue earning trains still operating. Regards,David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2432-1075676045-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Feb 2 00:19:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25721 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:19:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i11MsDg27063 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:54:14 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2432-1075676045-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 22:54:06 -0000 X-Sender: ulrich.nowak@freenet.lu X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80862 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 22:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 22:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 22:54:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2004 22:53:47 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "ulrichnowak" X-Originating-IP: 62.246.138.20 X-Yahoo-Profile: ulrichnowak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:53:47 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] OFF TOPIC: Steam in USA -ask for help/advice- Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 399 Hello, I will be spending a 3 weeks holiday in the Southwest from May 22nd to June 11th, flying in and out Denver/Colorado. I am aware of the operations in Durango and Chama/Antonito. However, as I haven't been there yet any hints on good spots, possibilities to chase etc. would be very much welcomed! Where can I buy good maps from those areas? Does anybody know about other steam trips sheduled during that time?? Maybe even Challenger workings....? Where can I find out? Looking forward to your (OFF group..) reply to ulrich.nowak@essenhyp.com AND/OR ulrich.nowak@freenet.lu Thanks very much Uli ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2433-1075686419-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Feb 2 02:53:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00202 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 02:53:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i121l6g14753 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 02:47:06 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2433-1075686419-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 01:47:00 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63046 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 01:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 01:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 01:46:58 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HSFOXV00.2W0 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:46:43 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <15dbc415ab9b.15ab9b15dbc4@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:46:43 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng, steam and money Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 400 This was the same situation with 3801 & 3830 on their return to service. However, 3801 was rebuilt with lower boiler pressure, & tubes sourced from Japan as there were no faiclities in Australia at that time. 3830 was/is owned by the Powerhouse musuem and when it was overhauled & returned to service conditions were set. Some of which included that it was to be rebuilt to as close as possible to its original standards. IE: full 245PSI boiler pressure, Tender was riveted & not a welded skin like 3801. I do not know of what other items relating to 3830's rebuild took place for instance, where the tubes were sourced etc. The only main things that I noticed on them is the headlight now has a single sealed beam light instead of the old bulb type. Main reservoir hoses are now fitted to both the front & to the rear of the tender to enable the faster recharge of train air pressure from the 2 engines instead of the old system where the fron engine's air was all that was usually available. The sad part about all of this here in Australia, NSW in particular was the state government (Current & previous) policies of selling off items to get money as quick fixes. They sold off all the heavy machinery from the old Eveleigh locomotive erecting shops that were used in the manufacture & overhaul of steam locomotives. THis is a situation that may be well on the line of developing in CHina & may be a problem in the future, if depots like Changchun, (recently handing over its last overhauled steam engine) are forced to get rid of (scrap) steam overhaulage facilities. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2434-1075727117-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Feb 2 14:05:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07311 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:05:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i12D5Of07582 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:05:24 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2434-1075727117-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 13:05:17 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3744 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 13:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 13:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 13:05:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 13:05:01 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 203.218.94.147 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:04:59 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese Steam Pt 3 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 401 Two more snippets: Daba Power Station in Ningxia has three QJs; The Longchang - Luzhou difang tielu in Sichuan has three Qjs, two of which are in use and one of which was overhauled in April 2003. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2435-1075798504-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 10:53:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22587 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:53:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i138tAg04887 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:55:11 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2435-1075798504-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 08:55:04 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49749 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 08:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 08:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 08:55:03 -0000 Received: from DavidHuntbatch@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.f7.361605aa (3940) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:51:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.97 From: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:51:07 EST Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng, steam and money Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 402 Hello everybody on the subject of future steam operations in China, Firstly it seems to me that steam in industrial locations such as Steelworks and Coalmines will continue for the forseeable future as there won't be the same drive to dieselise as there will be with 'Local' railways. The drive is probably political and not economic but let's face it steam will be finished in a short few years now except for a diet of SY's on shunting work. Putting that aside for one moment let's consider the 'Local Railways' As Duncan says 'when it's over it's over' but I would say there is a future for tourist steam possibly on the JiTong line. If there is a market for the Steam Railway JingPeng China Orient Express then there is a market for a tour using available remaining locomotives. It will be all about money and if JiTong management can be persuaded that there is money to be made from tourist trains with photo stops then at least there will be steam to photograph and travel on. I know this may be abhorent to many in this group as it is not 'real' but it would be better than nothing for many others. The first step would be to convince JiTong management to keep back a reserve of QJ's for such an eventuality. Real steam may finish but I for one would not like that to be the end of a steam powered train in my life. David Huntbatch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2437-1075812506-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 14:14:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27073 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:14:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i13CmWg19044 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:48:33 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2437-1075812506-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 12:48:26 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73521 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 12:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 12:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 12:48:25 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HSIDZC00.6EF for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:42:48 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <174a961746df.1746df174a96@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:42:48 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Jingpeng, steam and money Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 403 I tend to agree with Ameling with the long term prospect of steam survival in coal mines etc. Not knowing about all the areas in China that have coal mines, I tend to think that most are now worked by diesel or electric. Shenmu is one I have witnesed in this regard. As for what still exists one only has to look at Tongchuan, Pingdingshan & I believe Tiefa. Each are part of a large coal mining system. Each derive locomotive coal from the mines they serve, with no transport cost. Tongchuna is nearly gone. I read somewhere where Tiefa has its first diesel, & likewise PDS. At PDS the engines coal at a loader at the side of the yard, with coal from one of the local mines. No cost for coaling facilities for PDS. Yet according to the officials steam will finish by the end of this year. Maybe the the best hope besides Hans's suggestion is to trek to China to find an occasional SY at some obscure place that is spotted a bout a Kilometre or more away from the main line. It is one thing to high hopes or being optimistic, as most of us would love to see the situation change for the better, but at the same time we need to be realists. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2436-1075810594-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 14:21:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28291 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:21:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i13CGgg11031 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:17:25 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2436-1075810594-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 12:16:35 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99512 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 12:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 12:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 12:16:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 12:15:30 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 62.216.15.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:15:29 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Jingpeng, steam and money Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 404 Given the lack of real news I feel free to react about the Jingpeng plandampf suggestions. First, I think David is a bit optimistic about surviving steam at coal mines etc. Let us just hope he is right... And will plandampf work at Jingpeng? Even though sometimes we feel that there are too many gricers, the actual number is very, very low. Museum operations in the rest of the world can only survive because they attract regular tourists, not the real gricers. And Jingpeng has very, very little to attract other visitors, especially in de gricers main seasonApart from the fact that some gricers - I am one of them - will simply stop going when it is no longer the real thing. I did go back for organised steam to places where I saw the real thing before. The reason was that I wanted to have the trains on digital video instead of super8 without sound - and even then I prefer to watch my old super8 of the real thing to the digital video of a staged version. So I hope Hans has some success - it might convince the chinese to go on for a while, and (as suggested on this formu) to concentrate steam instead of slowly dieselising everywhre. But for the long term? I think I will find a totally different way of spending my holidays. ameling Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2438-1075828177-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 18:17:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01163 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:17:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i13H9ng05861 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:10:05 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2438-1075828177-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 17:09:42 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88343 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 17:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 17:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 17:08:04 -0000 Received: from 66-44-7-216.s1994.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.7.216] helo=S0028187519) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1Ao41S-0006d2-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:07:39 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c3ea78$373c7530$d8072c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.62 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:07:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese steam Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 405 ----- Original Message ----- From: "huochemi" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 9:20 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese steam There is a thread on hasea.com (and a similar one on Changjiang) asking for news of remaining steam activity in China. Much of it is probably not news to the readers of this newsgroup (and I have not checked these against Florian's list of numbers) but I have shown below some extracts. Notwithstanding that this info is from enthusiasts on the ground, I would not necessarily assume that it is 100% accurate or necessarily representative of the current situation. Anyway, here goes: SY 1576 was recently seen at Nanxiang depot (Shanghai) after overhaul. Baldwin 0-10-0 No 26 is in Shanghai (this is mentioned on my site but I see someone was asking about a railway museum in Shanghai) At Genshanmen station (one station N of Hangzhou) are 11 withdrawn JS 8165, 8168, 8172, 8362, 8382, 8400, 8401, 8402, 8404, 8406, 8407 Also in Hangzhou at Qiaosi station (N of Genshanmen) are two "strategic" JS 8361 and 8381 (aaargh no, it's the strategic reserve!) Tianjin steelworks has SY 0627 and 0691 QJ 7207 is at a power station in Datong Zhuzhou power station has SYs Beipiao Iron mine (Liaoning) has a JS (oou) Between Tumu and Shacheng Dong (w of Beijing), at the bridge construction yard, there are at least two QJ/JS in use (QJs sound a bit unlikely) Jilin Ferroalloy Factory has SYs At the former Xinzhan depot (E of Jilin) there are many former Jilin and Xinzhan QJs and JS, including the last China Rail QJ. QJ 6560 is still at the SanMao (I have seen this mentioned elsewhere and wonder whether this loco has been deliberately kept for preservation) JS 6257 is at Chengchao Iron mine (Wuhan Steel) There are two withdrawn QJs and one JS at Jinzhou depot, including QJ 7103 and JS 6461. JS 6211 and 8116 are in use at Jinzhou power station A JS at Jinzhou No 701 factory Huludao Cement Works has JS and SY (nos not known). There is a QJ at Shouyangshan Power Station (two stations east of Luoyang) Mianchi coal mine has at least one QJ and JS (Mianchi is west of Luoyang) Zhengzhou Aluminium factory has at least one SY Yima Mining bureau has two JS (another post says Yima Colliery has two QJs) Huaibei rail transportation office (Huaibei is in Anhui, SW of Xuzhou) had SY 1429, 1447, 2014, QJs 2092 2277, 3313, 7177, 7178, 7183, 7184 plus five JS. The post says the locos were sold to the National Railways last year, which sounds difficult to believe - perhaps another local/industrial railway? QJ 1997 is at Datong (presumably the loco works) SY 0309 and 0688 are at Shahe Steel Wire works (Shahe is N of Beijing on the way to Nankou) SY 0008 and 0124 are at Baotou Beifang Zhonggong Jituan (Northern Heavy Industries Group?) Zaozhuang Mining bureau rail transportation office has around 10 QJ, JS and JF in use (Zaozhuang is N of Xuzhou not far from Peitun) Jiangyou (N of Chengdu) power station has two SYs Hainan has JS 6502- 13 (not in regular use) JS 8258 is at Wujing Coking Plant in Shanghai Longchang - Luzhou in Sichuan has QJs Deyang - Mianzhu (Sichuan) has SYs (I think I heard once that this was quite mountainous) The Dukou branch at Panzihua (Sichuan) has SYs If anything else emerges, I will try and post it here. RJG Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2439-1075828504-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 18:21:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01527 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:21:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i13HFDg06658 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:15:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2439-1075828504-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 17:15:04 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50236 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 17:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 17:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 17:15:03 -0000 Received: from 66-44-7-216.s1994.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.7.216] helo=S0028187519) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1Ao48a-0001LP-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:15:00 -0500 Message-ID: <007301c3ea79$40a73c30$d8072c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.62 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:14:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese steam Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 406 Robin Gibbons Thanks so much for posting this information in English. In case someone didn't notice, one item said 10 JF, JS, and QJ in operation on the Zaozhuang Mining Bureau line. This looks like the BiZhao line 15D on Page 6 of the Quail map. I'll do some more analysis of the items, but this one stands out, and I didn't want to delay mentioning it. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "huochemi" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 9:20 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Surviving Chinese steam There is a thread on hasea.com (and a similar one on Changjiang) asking for news of remaining steam activity in China. Much of it is probably not news to the readers of this newsgroup (and I have not checked these against Florian's list of numbers) but I have shown below some extracts. Notwithstanding that this info is from enthusiasts on the ground, I would not necessarily assume that it is 100% accurate or necessarily representative of the current situation. Anyway, here goes: SY 1576 was recently seen at Nanxiang depot (Shanghai) after overhaul. Baldwin 0-10-0 No 26 is in Shanghai (this is mentioned on my site but I see someone was asking about a railway museum in Shanghai) At Genshanmen station (one station N of Hangzhou) are 11 withdrawn JS 8165, 8168, 8172, 8362, 8382, 8400, 8401, 8402, 8404, 8406, 8407 Also in Hangzhou at Qiaosi station (N of Genshanmen) are two "strategic" JS 8361 and 8381 (aaargh no, it's the strategic reserve!) Tianjin steelworks has SY 0627 and 0691 QJ 7207 is at a power station in Datong Zhuzhou power station has SYs Beipiao Iron mine (Liaoning) has a JS (oou) Between Tumu and Shacheng Dong (w of Beijing), at the bridge construction yard, there are at least two QJ/JS in use (QJs sound a bit unlikely) Jilin Ferroalloy Factory has SYs At the former Xinzhan depot (E of Jilin) there are many former Jilin and Xinzhan QJs and JS, including the last China Rail QJ. QJ 6560 is still at the SanMao (I have seen this mentioned elsewhere and wonder whether this loco has been deliberately kept for preservation) JS 6257 is at Chengchao Iron mine (Wuhan Steel) There are two withdrawn QJs and one JS at Jinzhou depot, including QJ 7103 and JS 6461. JS 6211 and 8116 are in use at Jinzhou power station A JS at Jinzhou No 701 factory Huludao Cement Works has JS and SY (nos not known). There is a QJ at Shouyangshan Power Station (two stations east of Luoyang) Mianchi coal mine has at least one QJ and JS (Mianchi is west of Luoyang) Zhengzhou Aluminium factory has at least one SY Yima Mining bureau has two JS (another post says Yima Colliery has two QJs) Huaibei rail transportation office (Huaibei is in Anhui, SW of Xuzhou) had SY 1429, 1447, 2014, QJs 2092 2277, 3313, 7177, 7178, 7183, 7184 plus five JS. The post says the locos were sold to the National Railways last year, which sounds difficult to believe - perhaps another local/industrial railway? QJ 1997 is at Datong (presumably the loco works) SY 0309 and 0688 are at Shahe Steel Wire works (Shahe is N of Beijing on the way to Nankou) SY 0008 and 0124 are at Baotou Beifang Zhonggong Jituan (Northern Heavy Industries Group?) Zaozhuang Mining bureau rail transportation office has around 10 QJ, JS and JF in use (Zaozhuang is N of Xuzhou not far from Peitun) Jiangyou (N of Chengdu) power station has two SYs Hainan has JS 6502- 13 (not in regular use) JS 8258 is at Wujing Coking Plant in Shanghai Longchang - Luzhou in Sichuan has QJs Deyang - Mianzhu (Sichuan) has SYs (I think I heard once that this was quite mountainous) The Dukou branch at Panzihua (Sichuan) has SYs If anything else emerges, I will try and post it here. RJG Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2440-1075938067-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 01:06:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26006 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:06:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i14NfDg01769 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:41:13 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2440-1075938067-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 23:41:07 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1960 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 22:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 22:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 22:49:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 22:48:19 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.0.182 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:48:17 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Analysis of new steam discoveries per Robin Gibbons Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 407 Hello All Continuing from my last posting regarding Robin Gibbon's listing of additional steam locations from Chinese enthusiast sources, I have compared these to previous information I have logged. In addition to the Zaozhuang Mining Bureau, with 10 QJ, JS, and JF locomotives mentioned in my last posting, the following seem the most significant to me: Two locations using JS in the city of Jinzhou, the "power station" and "701 factory," might be worth a look since anyone going to Nanpiao by train has to go through Jinzhou anyway. Jinzhou is also only about 40 km away from Jinxi (Huludao City)-Yangjiazhangxi with its JS and SY operation up into the mountains. The Dongfeng automobile factory at Siyan west of Xiangfang (Quail map 7) is said to have 10 SY's. This location is far removed from the nearest recently recorded steam location and may indicate that SY operations are still widespread in all industrial areas of China. Thanks again to Robin Gibbons for his efforts. Louis Cerny Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2441-1075938395-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 01:06:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26018 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:06:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i14Nkhg02373 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:46:43 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2441-1075938395-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 23:46:36 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70575 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 23:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 23:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 23:45:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 23:45:14 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.0.182 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:45:13 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Analysis of new steam discoveries per Robin Gibbons Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 408 Hello all, I have compared the new discoveries listed by Robin Gibbons from Chinese enthusiasts with my own records. In addition to the Zaozhuang Mining Bureau with its 10 JF, JS, and QJ mentioned in my last posting, the following seem the most significant to me: In the city of Jinzhou, JS are listed as being used at the "power plant" and "701 Factory." Since anyone going to Nanpiao by train has to pass through Jinzhou, these might be worth checking out. Jinzhou is also only about 40km from the JS-SY operation from Jinxi (Huludao City) to Yangjiazhangzi. The Dongfeng Automobile Company at Siyang west of Xianfang (Quail Map 7) is said to have 10 SY. This location is far from any other recent mention of steam and may indicate that SY are still to be found all over China in industrial settings. Thanks again to Robin Gibbons for passing on the information. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2442-1075939002-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 01:06:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26022 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:06:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i14Numg03187 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:56:49 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2442-1075939002-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 23:56:43 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5301 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 23:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2004 23:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 23:32:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2004 23:31:37 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.0.182 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:31:34 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Analysis of new steam discoveries per Robbin Gibbons Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 409 Hello All, Continuing from my previous post, I have compared the information that Robin Gibbons has passed on from Chinese enthusiasts to information I have logged previously. In addition to the Zoazhuang Minng Bureau with 10 JF, JS, and QJ mentioned in my last post, the following were the most significant to me. In the city of Jinzhou, JF are shown as operating at the "power plant" and "701 Factory." These might be worth a look since anyone going by train to Nanpiao has to pass through Jinzhou. Jinzhou is also only about 40 km from the Jinxi (Huludao City)-Yangjiazhangxi line with its JS and SY. The Dongfeng Automobile Company at Siyan west of Xianfang (Quail map 7) is said to have 10 SY. Since Siyan is far from any recently noted steam, this may indicate that SY are still wide-spead all over China in industrial use. Again, thanks to Robin Gibbons for sharing this information. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2443-1075943524-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 02:18:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28733 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 02:18:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i151CBg17781 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 02:12:11 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2443-1075943524-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 01:12:05 -0000 X-Sender: stuartlovell@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11636 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 00:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 00:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 00:40:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 00:40:08 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "toorwaterpoort" X-Originating-IP: 67.241.218.225 X-Yahoo-Profile: toorwaterpoort MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:40:07 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] November 2003 Album Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 410 I have posted a set of photos from a visit I made to 'The Pass' in November 2003 to 'Stuart's Album'. Stuart Lovell Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2444-1075943816-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 02:22:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28857 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 02:22:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i151Itg18250 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 02:18:55 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2444-1075943816-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 01:16:56 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 240 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 00:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 00:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 00:13:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 00:13:00 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.1.113 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:12:59 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Sorry for the three messages Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 411 Hello all Apologies for the three similar messages. The first two didn't seem to transmit, and when the third try went through, apparently so did the others. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2446-1075987373-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 14:35:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11255 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:35:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i15DN0g09960 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:23:00 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2446-1075987373-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 13:22:54 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47084 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 13:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 13:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 13:22:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2004 13:22:20 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 203.218.94.69 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:22:20 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JS 8077 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 413 There is a photo of a restored JS 8077 on hasea, apparently in a public square. According to my records, this was a Pingdingshan loco. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2448-1076025741-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 01:07:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10907 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:07:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1602Rg07980 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:02:28 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2448-1076025741-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 00:02:21 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26687 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 00:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 00:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.web.de) (217.72.192.158) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 00:02:17 -0000 Received: from [134.147.116.59] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.99 #605) id 1AotRo-0004h6-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:02:16 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200402060106.44525.hubbertweb@web.de> Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.158 From: ";-)" X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.246 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:06:44 +0100 Subject: Jinzhou-JS / was: Re: [Steam_in_China] Analysis of new steam (...) Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 414 I can confirm that there is steam in the area of Jinzhou! On my way back from Nanpiao to Jinzhou, 10th October 2003, I saw after dusk a (presumably) JS in steam waiting in an intermedia station from the window of my running train - more towards the Jinzhou-side of the line. Sorry, that I did not report this earlier. Firstly, I can not give any more details. Secondly, I am a mid-ninety-china-drop-out and after my first trip to Northern-china since 7 years, I forgot the significance of such a thing nowadays. However, today such details can be precious stones in the puzzle of remaining steam. I believe, that interesting places like Nanpiao could still be discoverd nowadays in China. But it takes time to explore new places and terms of operation. Time that only few mates are ready to invest. Heinrich Hubbert Am Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2004 00:31 schrieb notenfrog: > Hello All, > Continuing from my previous post, I have compared the information > that Robin Gibbons has passed on from Chinese enthusiasts to > information I have logged previously. > In addition to the Zoazhuang Minng Bureau with 10 JF, JS, and QJ > mentioned in my last post, the following were the most significant > to me. > In the city of Jinzhou, JF are shown as operating at the "power > plant" and "701 Factory." These might be worth a look since anyone > going by train to Nanpiao has to pass through Jinzhou. Jinzhou is > also only about 40 km from the Jinxi (Huludao City)-Yangjiazhangxi > line with its JS and SY. > The Dongfeng Automobile Company at Siyan west of Xianfang (Quail > map 7) is said to have 10 SY. Since Siyan is far from any recently > noted steam, this may indicate that SY are still wide-spead all over > China in industrial use. > Again, thanks to Robin Gibbons for sharing this information. > Louis Cerny > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2449-1076026403-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 01:17:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06222 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:17:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i160DVg08707 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:13:31 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2449-1076026403-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 00:13:24 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33239 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 00:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 00:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.web.de) (217.72.192.158) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 00:13:22 -0000 Received: from [134.147.116.59] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.99 #605) id 1AotcX-0001Uv-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:13:21 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200402060117.50111.hubbertweb@web.de> Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.158 From: ";-)" X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.251 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:17:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Jingpeng, steam and money Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 415 Yes, Jingpeng is a BIG THING but it can become boring. What is the sense of going on with it to infinity? If you didn`t get the right shot even righter after the 10th visit - on which visit then? And if so, you can do your 11th visit now. Oh yes. Just watching or riding or firing or listening steam is wonderfull but there won`t be a chinese Wolsztyn - it`s sad to say. And please save it from any plandampf-circus with runpasts, photostops, shouting crowds, flying ballast ... I fear there could be such. The chinese - and the wrong people - will drain mountains of money out of us. Let the thing die respectfull and let us keep it in mind with esteem so wonderfull as it was: Steam-Shangri-La - Our Holy Land. It will never come back, but you have been there! Regard it in a buddistic manner: When you loose one thing, you win something else. You can go to new places in China or the entire world and you never ever have to think again:"I could be at the Pass right now," or "Should I go again this winter?" Heinrich Hubbert Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:15 schrieb ameling algra: > Given the lack of real news I feel free to react about the Jingpeng > plandampf suggestions. > First, I think David is a bit optimistic about surviving steam at > coal mines etc. Let us just hope he is right... > And will plandampf work at Jingpeng? Even though sometimes we feel > that there are too many gricers, the actual number is very, very low. > Museum operations in the rest of the world can only survive because > they attract regular tourists, not the real gricers. And Jingpeng has > very, very little to attract other visitors, especially in de gricers > main seasonApart from the fact that some gricers - I am one of > them - will simply stop going when it is no longer the real thing. I > did go back for organised steam to places where I saw the real thing > before. The reason was that I wanted to have the trains on digital > video instead of super8 without sound - and even then I prefer to > watch my old super8 of the real thing to the digital video of a > staged version. > So I hope Hans has some success - it might convince the chinese to go > on for a while, and (as suggested on this formu) to concentrate steam > instead of slowly dieselising everywhre. But for the long term? I > think I will find a totally different way of spending my holidays. > > ameling > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2450-1076084176-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 17:19:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20341 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:19:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i16GGMg26832 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:16:22 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2450-1076084176-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 16:16:16 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48735 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 16:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 16:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.31) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 16:16:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:12:55 -0800 Received: from 68.107.246.11 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:12:55 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2004 16:12:55.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[1472B090:01C3ECCC] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.31 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [68.107.246.11] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:12:55 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] It won't be REAL Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 416 Steam is more economic than diesel from Daban - Haoloku. If DF4's take over for political reasons, will diesel enthusiasts shun the area, saying that it is not "Authentic diesel railroading" ? Hmmm..... _________________________________________________________________ Create your own personal Web page with the info you use most, at My MSN. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2451-1076089023-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 18:44:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06267 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:43:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i16Hb9g04595 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:37:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2451-1076089023-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 17:37:04 -0000 X-Sender: ronburk@dotnet.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19208 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 17:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 17:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamburg.dotnet.com) (216.127.196.18) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 17:36:59 -0000 Received: from ppp-468.max1.fdl.dyn.dotnet.com ([216.127.195.214] helo=ronkathy453) by hamburg.dotnet.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Ap9sx-0001o6-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:35:23 -0600 Message-ID: <001901c3ecd8$1dbccf30$d6c37fd8@ronkathy453> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.127.196.18 From: "Ron Burkhard" X-Yahoo-Profile: cbq4002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:39:04 -0600 Subject: [Steam_in_China] BiZhao line/Zaozhuang Mining Bureau line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 417 Where is the Zaozhuang Mining Bureau Line? I do not have a Quail map available to find the BiZhao line, or, what is the nearest large town so we can possibly refigure our itinerary. Thanks Ron Burkhard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2452-1076094853-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 20:17:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08150 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:17:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i16JEKg16615 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:14:20 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2452-1076094853-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 19:14:14 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26449 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 19:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 19:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta08-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 19:14:12 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.204.33]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040206190909.YVAG26804.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:09:09 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.48 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:09:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] It won't be REAL Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 418 It will be authentic diesel railroading. The function of the diesels will be to move freight and passengers from one end of the line to the other. That's real in my book. It doesn't matter why the railway chooses a particular type of traction to haul their trains. The important thing is whether a loco's job is to haul trains or attract tourists. Heinrich is right. Enjoy it while you can, then move on. Don't cheapen its memory by turning it into a steam circus. Duncan On Friday, Feb 6, 2004, at 16:12 Europe/London, Ronald Olsen wrote: > Steam is more economic than diesel from Daban - Haoloku. > > If DF4's take over for political reasons, will diesel enthusiasts shun > the > area, saying that it is not "Authentic diesel railroading" ? > Hmmm..... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2453-1076103564-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 22:43:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04060 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:43:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i16LdVg30998 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:39:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2453-1076103564-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 21:39:25 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60137 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from 66-44-3-134.s896.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.134] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1ApDh1-0005Nu-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:39:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c3ecf9$b0153ea0$86032c42@S0028187519> To: References: <001901c3ecd8$1dbccf30$d6c37fd8@ronkathy453> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:39:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] BiZhao line/Zaozhuang Mining Bureau line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 419 Ron Burkhard My understanding is that the Zaozhuang Mining Bureau line is in the vicinity of Zhaozhuangxi , which is 603 kilometers south from Tianjin on the Beijing-Shanghai (via Nanjing) mainline, 67 km north of Xuzhou. From the looks of things the steam would be most likely to be at Zaozhuang itself , which is about 21 km east north east of Zhaozhuangxi, with a railway branch between the two locations. Good luck on your exploration! Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Burkhard" To: Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 12:39 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] BiZhao line/Zaozhuang Mining Bureau line > Where is the Zaozhuang Mining Bureau Line? I do not have a Quail map available to find the BiZhao line, or, what is the nearest large town so we can possibly refigure our itinerary. > Thanks > Ron Burkhard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2454-1076105770-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 23:18:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28780 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:18:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i16MGsg02006 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:16:55 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2454-1076105770-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 22:16:10 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5907 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 22:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 22:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 22:16:08 -0000 Received: from 66-44-3-134.s896.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.134] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1ApEGd-0006et-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c3ecfe$d488f6a0$86032c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:16:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] It won't be REAL Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 420 Hello all, Let me add my own personal thoughts to this discussion. If China can come up with something like the Harzquerbahn in Germany, where a small but not trivial network is operated in a scenic area with steam on a daily basis throughout the year, I think it would be worthwhile. (candidates, anyone?) Also, China may be approaching the point where in a few years it will want to develope operating steam tourist lines which are patronized mostly by Chinese tourists, in order to retain a link with its industrial heritage and so older folks can show their kids how it used to be. But I think the discussion is premature. Let's not forget that there are at least a few years left for the real stuff with the likelihood that some real gems remain to be discovered. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Cotterill" To: Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] It won't be REAL > Heinrich is right. Enjoy it while you can, then move on. Don't cheapen > its memory by turning it into a steam circus. > > Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2455-1076108550-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 00:07:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25825 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:07:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i16N2eg05822 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:02:40 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2455-1076108550-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 23:02:34 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37283 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 23:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 23:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 23:02:14 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HSOQNL00.5NK for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:02:09 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <190ea818f09e.18f09e190ea8@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:02:09 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] BiZhao line/Zaozhuang Mining Bureau line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 421 THe Zaozhuang line runs off the Xuzhou - Jinan line with a junction to the line (I think its called) Zaozhuang Xei However, there is a good road from Xuzhou to Zaozhuang, a train takes about 1 1/2 hours to get there. Unfortunately the only trains to ther leave lat afternoon, but if you get to Zaozhuang there is a return servic at 180 arr Xuzhou 1934. Any further gained info would be good as I plan to visit the area late Feb also Pei-Tun Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2456-1076109228-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 00:18:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22138 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:18:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i16NDsg06738 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:13:55 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2456-1076109228-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2004 23:13:48 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 582 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 23:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 23:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 23:13:45 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HSOR6W00.2NO for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:13:44 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <18f6df193164.19316418f6df@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:13:44 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] It won't be REAL Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 422 One of the reasons I do not take photo's anymore of steam here in Australia & have not done so for many years is because of the issue that usually surrounds tourist operations. It has not however stopped me from watching & enjoying our steam in operation, even though I no longer like it. The problems or reasons I don't like it is the culture that springs from it, engines painted in all shades of the rainbow, nearly getting run off the road by idiots trying to get to the next spot, & then jumping in front of everyone else: Hang them I'm ok. I had this very problem at the pass last December when the Jitong steam group had a large percentage of Japanese in the tour, & the "official" photographer fro the group charged off, up the bank at SiMingYi, right in front of everyone else. He got his special angle & shot, but many others had him as an unwanted person in their photos. I would love to see the venture take place, & I think Louis words may make sense ""China may be approaching the point where in a few years it will want to develope operating steam tourist lines which are patronized mostly by Chinese tourists, in order to retain a link with its industrial heritage and so older folks can show their kids how it used to be"" I would love it if steam remained in China, and no doubt everyone else would. Let's not jump up against this propossal, because every seed planted is an embryo, that usually grows. AS Hans has said if enough people can show their support, who knows what may happen, maybe much more than we could imagine. If we complain about this & don't want it, perhaps we could mount a concerted effort to close down all other steam operated ventures around the globe as they are not the ""real thing"" Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2457-1076138165-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 08:17:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14227 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 08:17:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i177GBg05051 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 08:16:11 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2457-1076138165-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 07:16:05 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23217 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 07:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 07:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 07:16:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 07:15:45 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18f6df193164.19316418f6df@goconnect.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 218.103.205.7 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 07:15:38 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: It won't be REAL Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 423 I don't think it can happen in a form that members of this group would appreciate. I have posted onto my site, temporarily, one of a series of photos on hasea of some sort of park , believed to be near Zhengzhou, which has opened recently, with C2s coupled to large tenders housing diesel engines and locs and coaches painted in childish colours. I am afraid this is how heritage is dealt with - Disney has a lot to answer for. http://www.railwaysofchina.com/toy.jpg But look on the bright side, when steam has gone, we can all travel to the other places in China with great scenery and enjoy what is still a fantastic railway system. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > One of the reasons I do not take photo's anymore of steam here in > Australia & have not done so for many years is because of the issue > that usually surrounds tourist operations. It has not however stopped > me from watching & enjoying our steam in operation, even though I no > longer like it. > > The problems or reasons I don't like it is the culture that springs > from it, engines painted in all shades of the rainbow, nearly getting > run off the road by idiots trying to get to the next spot, & then > jumping in front of everyone else: Hang them I'm ok. > > I had this very problem at the pass last December when the Jitong steam > group had a large percentage of Japanese in the tour, & the "official" > photographer fro the group charged off, up the bank at SiMingYi, right > in front of everyone else. He got his special angle & shot, but many > others had him as an unwanted person in their photos. > > I would love to see the venture take place, & I think Louis words may > make sense > ""China may be approaching the point where in a few years it will want > to develope operating steam tourist lines which are patronized mostly > by Chinese tourists, in order to retain a link with its industrial > heritage and so older folks can show their kids how it used to be"" > > I would love it if steam remained in China, and no doubt everyone else > would. Let's not jump up against this propossal, because every seed > planted is an embryo, that usually grows. AS Hans has said if enough > people can show their support, who knows what may happen, maybe much > more than we could imagine. > > If we complain about this & don't want it, perhaps we could mount a > concerted effort to close down all other steam operated ventures around > the globe as they are not the ""real thing"" > > Colin Hussey > > ________________________________________________________ > > GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month > Unlimited Downloads > Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! > http://www.goconnect.com.au > *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2458-1076152810-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 16:26:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i17FQT0I022271 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:26:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i17BKGg28357 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:20:17 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2458-1076152810-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2004 11:20:10 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72195 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 11:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2004 11:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 11:20:07 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.35.13] by mail_macace_net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:20:08 +0000 Message-ID: <4024C9BA.6070205@macace.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: IAN BOWSKILL <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:19:22 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shanghai no.5 steelworks Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 424 A colleague of mine has just reported on a visit to Shanghai no.5 steelworks made today. He had a local guide and permit. This did not stop him being ejected from the site and the guide receiving a severe dressing down. His camera was taken and the back broken as they attempted to remove the film. Fortunately he had managed to remove the film himself prior to this. 3 SY were seen in action up to this point. Ian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2459-1076238150-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 12:17:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i18BCW4M018767 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:17:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i18B2bg09063 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:02:37 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2459-1076238150-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 11:02:31 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74054 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 11:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 11:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 11:02:28 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HSRINV00.0QW for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:02:19 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1966c919c15b.19c15b1966c9@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:02:19 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: It won't be REAL Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 425 Robin I have seen also seen photos of a C2 on the Chinese Infinite Railway page under the heading of ""Steam loco in Qishuyan loco works"" it shows the engine painted in a royal blue, not as septic as the one you have linked but, bad enough. But then again i do not know if they were painted that way in any location. I would agree with you that to see this path taken would not be a good one, & it reinforces what I have said about our "heritage trains" painted in horrible non authentic colours. But I reiterate that if there can be any support that we can give that might change a direction in China regarding the demise of steam then, it should not hurt us. One other example of what can happen is here in Australia. In Victoria the West Coast Railway has bought up many steam loco's & had them restored to service. On weekends they run the regular Passenger service to one area from Melbourne. The venture has proved a success, & the railway is in the process of retoring other engines for use on their system, as well as being available to be hired out. These are commercial decisions & thats the point that can be adddressed to the Chinese officials, & see what is happening in the capitalistic west. ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2460-1076240608-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 12:47:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i18Blp7j020614 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:47:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i18BhYg12143 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:43:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2460-1076240608-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 11:43:28 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57407 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 11:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 11:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 11:43:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 11:42:39 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.96.3.161 X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:42:38 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Weather in early April Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 426 I appreciate that we are dealing here in generalisations but what is members experiences of weather conditions north of Beijing in early April? I was in the Fuxin/Shenyang area in 2002 and was bedevilled by day after day of heavy dust storms reducing visibility to 20 - 30 yards and threatening to etch camera lenses!! These lasted for about 6 days which is a substantial chunk out of a 12 day trip!! This year I'm considering going as far north as Manzouhli and Hegang and then back to the Shenyang region and possibly Nanpiao. Any experiences in meteorological terms would be much appreciated. Dave Longman Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2461-1076243728-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 13:43:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i18CgiUD023135 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:43:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i18CZZg26032 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:35:35 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2461-1076243728-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 12:35:28 -0000 X-Sender: toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42163 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 12:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 12:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 12:35:27 -0000 Received: from webmail06.arcor-online.net (webmail06.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.87]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADF581C122 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:34:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <18116296.1076243656088.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail06.arcor-online.net> To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-ngMessageSubType: MessageSubType_MAIL X-WebmailclientIP: : 218.62.104.26 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.42 From: toni@germanynet.de X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:34:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Last call for Zhungeer Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 427 Dear all, Zhungeer is still a place to go! Beside the known place two kms north and three kilometres south of Fuxingcheng there is another part of about 1,5 km unspoiled by electrification poles. This part is in the first gradient against emty trains just about 3 kms beyong the starting station. All bridges are still without poles, but the poles are already delivered and laying arount in the locoshed. The photographic potential of these two parts is sufficient for at least three days. So go there before one of the greatest show is over. Locos are not very clean anymore. Staff is very kind as ever. Boiler pressure falls dawn below 9 atmospheres in the gradients! Jalai Nur: 17 locos in use during our visit. Dayan coal mine: Only two locos in use, very clean engines. Uphill oiperation tender first although re-reconfirmed that the engines are turned. Meihekou: As described by Florian. Very nice operation. Best wishes from a nearly windless northern China, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours mail@farrail.com www.farrail.com Yahoo! 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This did not stop him being ejected > from the site and the guide > receiving a severe dressing down. apparently this is not unusual at the steelworks. I tried once sneaking in - no success, then I wanted to visit it officially, with a guide - but the guide was quite afraid of the security and when the first "No" was received (albeit holding a written permit in his hand), the guide did not want to go any further! The general attitude on those 2 occasions was pretty unfriendly and tough on any kind of request. I tried several times to get a permission for my groups and it was always rejected. I think you need a lucky day or you really have to know somebody who knows somebody ... to get through. Peter Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2463-1076255877-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 17:02:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i18G2Xu6006004 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:02:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i18Fw4g08374 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 16:58:04 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2463-1076255877-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 15:57:58 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37227 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 15:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 15:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 15:57:56 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.204.33]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040208155743.HHQF13477.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:57:43 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8E67B779-5A4F-11D8-9D43-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.41 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:57:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Weather in early April Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 429 Dave, I don't think your experience at Fuxin was untypical. I've experienced similar weather in spring around Lanzhou, Datong, Changchun and Tiefa on several different trips. The locals gave the impression it wasn't unusual anywhere in northern China at that time of year. I can't recall having the same problem further north, although I may have just been lucky. The only trip I did that stretched into April was plagued by cloud and poor light in the north east for about 9 out of 14 days. The weather then was better, the further north you went, as it was still controlled by the cold, clear high pressure system that sits over Siberia in winter. Further south, the weather was coming in from the sea, warm and wet. In between, where the two systems met seemed to be where the dust storms were. Good luck, Duncan On Sunday, Feb 8, 2004, at 11:42 Europe/London, Dave wrote: > I appreciate that we are dealing here in generalisations but what is > members experiences of weather conditions north of Beijing in early > April? I was in the Fuxin/Shenyang area in 2002 and was bedevilled > by day after day of heavy dust storms reducing visibility to 20 - 30 > yards and threatening to etch camera lenses!! These lasted for about > 6 days which is a substantial chunk out of a 12 day trip!! This year > I'm considering going as far north as Manzouhli and Hegang and then > back to the Shenyang region and possibly Nanpiao. > > Any experiences in meteorological terms would be much appreciated. > > Dave Longman ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Jinzhou is > > also only about 40 km away from Jinxi (Huludao City)- > Yangjiazhangxi > > with its JS and SY operation up into the mountains. > > The Dongfeng automobile factory at Siyan west of Xiangfang > (Quail > > map 7) is said to have 10 SY's. This location is far removed from > > the nearest recently recorded steam location and may indicate that > > SY operations are still widespread in all industrial areas of China. > > Thanks again to Robin Gibbons for his efforts. > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > > >
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Nothing more is known so far. I asked for the JF, too, but they said: long gone. Greetings, Peter Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Hundreds of lines have lost their steam operation in China over the last years and nobody ever mentioned it. How many steam locomotives were retained for special trains or tourist operations? A few for narrow gauge and projects that will never be realized like the Olympic sport centre east of Haerbin with tourist train operations...but on standard gauge? Even JiTong is not steam-friendly. They use steam because it's more economical for them right now and they will change to diesel if diesel becomes more economical or the political pressure goes up. We always tend to impose our steam-friendly-view to others - but that's not the case: everybody is keen on a cab-ride over the pass; but are you keen to work as a fire-man for 10 years, day in. day out? I won't think so. JiTong gets a little bit of money with the entry fees to the depots, earns a lot of money for the annual China Orient train, the workers make a lot of money by selling parts - that's all the benefits they have. Compared to their overall business figures it's nothing. Therefore steam will die - for the very same reasons it did in all other countries. And when it's gone, it's over. No tourist line, no circus at JiTong. But who knows: in 20 years, when the last DF4 are going to be scrapped, I may offer a JiTong diesel tour... See you at Reshui, Peter Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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I recieved the info from the guide you & I had last year for Pei-Tun. Here is her report You don't have to go to Zaozhuang to see the steam ,because in the place there aren't any steam in there anymore ,but some modern one ,I just come back from Zao zhuang.I'm sure! She also mentioned that she is guiding Bruce Evans, & I am waiting to hear from him. It would be good to confirm this one way or another. THe question may well be where is the location of the Zaozhuang Mining Bureau line. Maybe its out of Zaozhang a bit thus making it a bit more difficult for the local guides. I found Cassie good, & eager to learn, but as you were the first, I was the second to look for steam trains they are not really that clued up to what is needed. The main english speaking person at Xuzhou CITS while friendly, really had no idea of what our needs are. Maybe you could directly ask ZXS if he could find out from the bureau itself what the situation is. From my map I think Zaozhuang seems to be closer than Pei-Tun Colin Hussey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Patt" Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 9:19 pm Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Zaozhuang Mining Bureau line > > > > > Hello, > > > > today I received an information from CITS that there are 2 JS and > 5 QJs working. > > Nothing more is known so far. I asked for the JF, too, but they > said: long gone. > > > > Greetings, > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2469-1076490684-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 10:22:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1B9LolL006311 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:22:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.85]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1B9BUg30582 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:11:31 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2469-1076490684-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 09:11:24 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28422 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 09:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 09:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 09:11:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 23116 invoked by uid 65534); 11 Feb 2004 09:09:57 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b80a6f.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO pz) (217.184.10.111) by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 10:09:57 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <402B50E7.29367.D611A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1076409227.2501.45242.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:09:43 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: It won't be REAL Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 435 Alex, the only preserved working steam locomotives are narrow gauge actually - not surprising because you need only a few Yuan to keep them running, small track layout etc. Years back, when standard gauge steam was still around basically everywhere in China, I was in contact with the chinese railway minstry. We talked about lots of things and I deared to suggest a tourist operation to the Great Wall: masses of potential passengers, attractive destination, relatively short journey time. Guess what the answer was: laughing. But: we should not blame them for ignoring a small minority's ideas! How many tourist operations would be in Europe and the UK if there wouldn't have been hundreds of steam locomotives available in East-Germany and Poland after the fall of the iron curtain? Or the discovery of the Barry-scrapyard in the UK? It will be over. Sooner or later. Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2470-1076504356-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 14:17:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1BDHRCm009147 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:17:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1BD08g26667 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:00:09 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2470-1076504356-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 12:59:16 -0000 X-Sender: drittson@cia.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42014 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 12:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 12:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 12:59:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 12:56:03 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "Dennis Rittson" X-Originating-IP: 221.199.156.9 X-Yahoo-Profile: drittson MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:56:03 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam Passengers through Chabuga Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 436 Hi All, About seven days ago, our party visited Chabuga, hoping in particular that we would find that the passenger services were still steam hauled. For the 21/2 days that we were ther, we were pleased to see that both the east and west bound services were still steam hauled, and so concentrated our efforts on recording these during our visit. However, all freights in and out of the eastern side of Chabuga were deisel hauled, exchanged locomotives in Chabuga yard. We are currently in in Reshui where traffic levels are very high - up to ten trains a day. Most of the trains seem to be running a lot faster than in our previous visits, whether due to lighter loading, or shorter trains, we can't be sure. Whether has been mostly clear around Jung Peng, but high cloud has been present for a time for some mornings and afternoons, and the winds have been blowing keenly from the western side pretty well for all the time we have been here. Noinetheless we are still getting the shots! :) We believe that some snow fell here about 6 days ago, but we have seen none fall since. There is a good light overall cover on the Jing Peng side of Summit, but it is clearing slowly. We will be here until lunchtime Saturday next before heading south to Beijing and then back to Sydney. Cheers, Dennis R Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2471-1076511720-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 16:17:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1BFHL33029425 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:17:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1BF7jg20328 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:07:45 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2471-1076511720-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 15:02:01 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90519 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 15:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 15:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 15:01:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 15:01:54 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 219.77.91.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:01:51 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 437 A recent post on Changjiang says that the Yanzhou Mining Bureau has 6-8 QJs. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2472-1076516749-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 18:11:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1BHBg85013880 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:11:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1BGhpg02568 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:43:51 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2472-1076516749-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 16:25:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 41441 invoked by uid 7800); 11 Feb 2004 16:25:48 -0000 X-Sender: robertohp2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 941 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 14:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 14:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.227.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 14:56:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20040211145635.94890.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.172.65.134] by web21110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:56:35 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.227.112 From: Robert Pittman X-Yahoo-Profile: robertohp2001 X-eGroups-Approved-By: fm765083 via email; 11 Feb 2004 16:25:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:56:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Introduction and Looking for Chinese Rail Employees Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 438 Hello! My name is Robert and I was very excited to join the newsgroup yesterday. I am German-American and am currently living and working in Spain. I am a photographer and filmmaker although I just finished my studies one year ago. I have always been an enthusiast of trains and also airplanes. I had a model railroad in the US and one in Germany. In Germany I always loved going to the train station. I have travelled quite a bit in Europe on trains and also in India. I always prefer the really long rides as the two 48 hour rides I took in India. I do not have the knowledge though that most of the enthusiasts on this website seem to have. My University offers a grant for its alumni to go to China to go on a kind of adventure which has a very specific focus. The grant is to NOT be career oriented though. It is for personal growth. I proposed to them to do a project where I travel all around China on the rails. My idea is to travel in various classes and to thus meet people of different socioeconomic classes to talk to them about their lives and also about their interpretations of the landscape. The grant would pay for a translator occasionally. Also I am interested in life itself on the trains. Trains in India are like travelling villages and I imagine it is similar in China. Also I hope to meet people working on the trains and in the stations and maybe even in the Ministry of Railways. The hope would also be to learn about how these people live outside of work. I made the first round of the application process and now I have to submit a more detailed one. So I was very happy to find this newsgroup as this is a great resource. The grant commission wants me to make contacts in China for the application. My question to you is how could I make contacts with railroad employees or people somehow linked to the rail system from afar? Are there any Chinese members on the newsgroup who would be willing to correspond with me? Thank you very much for allowing me to be in your newsgroup. All the best to you, Robert --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2473-1076536075-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 22:51:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1BLnfkt008979 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:51:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1BLm1g07307 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:48:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2473-1076536075-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 21:47:55 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31091 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 21:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 21:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 21:47:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 21:46:50 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Peter Patt" X-Originating-IP: 217.184.0.202 X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:46:49 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re. It won't be REAL Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 439 Ladies & Gentlemen, before I will get back to the JP circus tomorrow, adding 38 more red and bright-yellow dressed newbies to the photo-positions in the next 3 weeks, I want to throw one more rumour in the discussion! :-)) According to a telephone call between CITS and JiTong a few days ago, there are actually NO plans to introduce diesels on the other parts of the JiTong line for the moment and steam on the section Daban- Haolokou may probably last until end of 2006!! Don't hold your breath! Peter Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2475-1076591223-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 14:07:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1CD76P5020189 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:07:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i1CD7Af04529 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:07:10 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200402121307.i1CD7Af04529@info.cyf-kr.edu.pl> X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2475-1076591223-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 13:07:03 -0000 X-Sender: mobile@railography.co.uk X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57153 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 13:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 13:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO connectotel.com) (213.210.20.253) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 13:07:01 -0000 Received: from SMS Gateway mmail@connectotel.com [10.1.1.4] by connectotel.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:09:50 +0000 To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.210.20.253 X-eGroups-From: mobile@railography.co.uk From: dc.relay@virgin.net X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 12 Feb 2004 13:09:32 GMT Subject: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 441 Message from +447970029096 Duncan Cotterill JF 2182 & 2369 were working today. 4 trains to Wangshiwa with steam in daylight. Apologies for not sending a report on battery performance! Regards, Duncan To reply, e-mail: dc.relay@virgin.net. Include the word steam in the message subject. NOTE I will only receive the first 150 characters of any message so keep it short please! Thank you for using the M-Mail service from Connectotel Ltd For more information about M-Mail and SMS-based software solutions and number hosting please visit http://www.connectotel.com/sms Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2476-1076622192-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 22:47:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1CLlLUf022997 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:47:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1CLhJg28661 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:43:19 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2476-1076622192-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 21:43:12 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83810 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 21:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 21:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 21:43:09 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.35.46] by mail_macace_net; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:41:55 +0000 Message-ID: <402BF2DB.6030409@macace.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: IAN BOWSKILL <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:40:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 442 Not to worry Duncan, I found your earlier report on dust storms most interesting. Rgds Ian On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 01:09 PM, dc.relay@virgin.net wrote: Message from +447970029096 Duncan Cotterill JF 2182 & 2369 were working today. 4 trains to Wangshiwa with steam in daylight. Apologies for not sending a report on battery performance! Regards, Duncan To reply, e-mail: dc.relay@virgin.net. Include the word steam in the message subject. NOTE I will only receive the first 150 characters of any message so keep it short please! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2477-1076623477-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 23:10:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1CMA6hP024552 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:10:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1CM4ig30262 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:04:44 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2477-1076623477-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2004 22:04:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 52731 invoked by uid 7800); 12 Feb 2004 22:04:32 -0000 X-Sender: robertohp2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46313 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 20:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 20:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.227.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 20:03:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20040212200307.90026.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.172.65.134] by web21101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:03:07 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1bda2f1c0702.1c07021bda2f@goconnect.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.227.103 From: Robert Pittman X-Yahoo-Profile: robertohp2001 X-eGroups-Approved-By: steamfreak711 via email; 12 Feb 2004 22:04:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:03:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i1CMA6hP024552 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 443 Hello! My name is Robert. I am new to the newsgroup. I am trying to get a grant to go to China to go on a long rail expedition. They require though that you make prior contact with rail employees for the proposal. I hope you dont mind my asking you. You wrote that you have a guide. Does she speak English and is she knowledgeable about the rail system? Would I be able to contact her by email or phone? If this is a problem then please dont worry. Thank you! Enjoy your journey. Kind regards, Robert cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: IS it possible to fully confirm this report from the source, also the report about Zaozhuang. I will be in Xuzhou on the 22-23 for one day at Pei-Tun & would like to visit the Zaozhuang line IF there is steam there. I was informed by the guide I had last time, that she had visitited Zaozhuang & there was no steam there. THis leaves me to suspect that the bureau line may be a local line or one outside of Zaozhuang itself. On the Quail map there is shown a dotted line heading south from Zaozhuang. There is the symbol of a coal mine near this line. On the Nelles map that I have however, it shows this line as joing up with the line from Xuzhou to the China sea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "huochemi" Date: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:01 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou > > > > > A recent post on Changjiang says that the Yanzhou Mining Bureau > has > > 6-8 QJs. Yanzhou is north of Xuhou on the JingHu (Beijing - > > Shanghai) line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2478-1076632196-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 01:35:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1D0Z7mG003178 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:35:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1D0X0g13386 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:33:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2478-1076632196-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 00:29:57 -0000 X-Sender: pghogan@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19662 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 00:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 00:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 00:29:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 00:29:54 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.92 From: "Paul Hogan" X-Originating-IP: 61.138.74.114 X-Yahoo-Profile: pgh220 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:29:52 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng jottings Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 444 Further to Dennis' report, we must have put a hex on the fast running over the Pass. Yesterday (Thursday) featured 8 trains westbound, of which 3 had a real struggle uphill, with one delaying other trains behind it. The slowest was a block load of fuel tanks - a very nice consist photographically. Weather has been remarkably clear and sunny this week, but turning to haze and cloud late yesterday. The new Long Quan Hotel is an excellent venue for train watching, particularly during the full moon, when you can watch trains ascend the hill at night from the comfort of your bedroom window! Tim Arnot was awake a few nights ago at 4.30am to witness a train stall just short of Sandi loop, holding up the eastbound procession for two hours while a rescue operation was mounted. The Hotel also has an Internet terminal in the foyer, which is very fast, but erratic - some nights you can't log into Yahoo at all. Today the weather has turned foul, with high winds, and it is snowing at the top. 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Processed in 0.027855 secs); 16 Feb 2004 13:32:14 -0000 Received: from sand.pipeline.com.au (203.27.87.13) by wipeout.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 00:32:14 +1100 Received: (qmail 19206 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 00:32:13 +1100 Received: from as6-186.gee.vic.chariot.net.au (HELO roger-gillard.pipeline.com.au) (203.87.71.186) by sand.pipeline.com.au with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 00:32:13 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20040217003147.02519238@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-Sender: rgg@pop3.pipeline.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001801c3d286$139e06c0$4e62e23d@TRAVELMATE> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20040102090734.00b34718@pop3.pipeline.com.au> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.27.87.49 From: Roger Gillard X-Yahoo-Profile: saditobi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:32:10 +1100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] WElcome back Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 446 Hi Bruce, Welcome back. I'm sure you had a good time and look forward to hearing how things went. I bought an SY from Lee Kwon. I ordered two, the other one is for Bill Pearce. I've had them both for a week or so and gave them a run on a friend's layout yesterday. They ran very nicely although, as expected, they were not very powerful. Attached you'll find a little depot scene with the two SY's and my QJ. I've been in touch with Colin Hussey, who is off to China on the 20th. He first goes to Peitun and then he was thinking of going to ZaoZhunang. Have you got any quick info to help him for the Xuzhou area??? Cheers, Roger ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2482-1076982679-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 02:55:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1H1tTGi019466 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:55:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1H1pRg22199 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:51:28 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl Message-Id: <200402170151.i1H1pRg22199@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl> X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2482-1076982679-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 01:51:21 -0000 X-Sender: mobile@railography.co.uk X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70376 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO connectotel.com) (213.210.20.253) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from SMS Gateway mmail@connectotel.com [10.1.1.4] by connectotel.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 01:54:18 +0000 To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.210.20.253 X-eGroups-From: mobile@railography.co.uk From: dc.relay@virgin.net X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 17 Feb 2004 01:53:40 GMT Subject: [Steam_in_China] Pingdingshan Diesel Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 448 Message from +447970029096 Duncan Cotterill GKD3B 0003 has been here around 1 month and is on trial. Steam overhauls continue as normal. JS 8068 is currently in shops! Regards, Duncan To reply, e-mail: dc.relay@virgin.net. Include the word steam in the message subject. NOTE I will only receive the first 150 characters of any message so keep it short please! Thank you for using the M-Mail service from Connectotel Ltd For more information about M-Mail and SMS-based software solutions and number hosting please visit http://www.connectotel.com/sms Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2483-1076983250-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 03:05:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1H25d5c019905 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 03:05:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1H20ug22467 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 03:00:56 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl Message-Id: <200402170200.i1H20ug22467@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl> X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2483-1076983250-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2004 02:00:50 -0000 X-Sender: mobile@railography.co.uk X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12828 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2004 02:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2004 02:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO connectotel.com) (213.210.20.253) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 02:00:49 -0000 Received: from SMS Gateway mmail@connectotel.com [10.1.1.4] by connectotel.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:03:49 +0000 To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.210.20.253 X-eGroups-From: mobile@railography.co.uk From: dc.relay@virgin.net X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 17 Feb 2004 02:03:11 GMT Subject: [Steam_in_China] Pingdingshan Diesel Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 449 Message from +447970029096 Duncan Cotterill GKD3B 0003 has been here around 1 month and is on trial. Steam overhauls continue as normal. JS 8068 is currently in shops! Regards, Duncan To reply, e-mail: dc.relay@virgin.net. Include the word steam in the message subject. NOTE I will only receive the first 150 characters of any message so keep it short please! Thank you for using the M-Mail service from Connectotel Ltd For more information about M-Mail and SMS-based software solutions and number hosting please visit http://www.connectotel.com/sms Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2484-1077191296-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 12:55:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1JBsZ89012033 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:55:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1JBmMg29202 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:48:22 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2484-1077191296-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2004 11:48:16 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79267 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 11:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2004 11:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 11:48:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2004 11:48:08 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "a6et" X-Originating-IP: 210.50.177.218 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:48:07 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New steam lines in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 450 I have been given a page story with 2 photographs one with a highly supershined SY with twin headlights, 1 high & 1 on the smokebox as per normal taken recently at steelworks at Xuanhua. Quail line 37 the second photo is of 3 x QJ's at the depot of the Zouxian coal railway, this is south of Yanzhou on the Yanzhou - Xuzhou CNR line. The photo shows QJ 6812 at the head of the lineup. This loco is listed on Florian's loco list as being attached to the Linyi depot. Colin Hussey ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2485-1077264061-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 09:02:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1K82VmD026793 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:02:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1K817g28427 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:01:08 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2485-1077264061-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 08:01:01 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29762 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 08:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 08:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-05.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 08:00:59 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-009-118.arcor-ip.net [212.144.9.118]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C36396CBE06 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:00:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00f701c3f787$ae0a44a0$5945fe91@farrail> To: References: <20040212200307.90026.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.45 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:01:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 451 Dear Robert, Try these two and you'll be satisfied with their work: zhaoyang99@hotmail.com (Mrs. Zhao Yang) citsjlp@public.cc.jl.cn (Mr. Zhang) Good luck, Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pittman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Hello! My name is Robert. I am new to the newsgroup. I am trying to get a grant to go to China to go on a long rail expedition. They require though that you make prior contact with rail employees for the proposal. I hope you dont mind my asking you. You wrote that you have a guide. Does she speak English and is she knowledgeable about the rail system? Would I be able to contact her by email or phone? If this is a problem then please dont worry. Thank you! Enjoy your journey. Kind regards, Robert cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: IS it possible to fully confirm this report from the source, also the report about Zaozhuang. I will be in Xuzhou on the 22-23 for one day at Pei-Tun & would like to visit the Zaozhuang line IF there is steam there. I was informed by the guide I had last time, that she had visitited Zaozhuang & there was no steam there. THis leaves me to suspect that the bureau line may be a local line or one outside of Zaozhuang itself. On the Quail map there is shown a dotted line heading south from Zaozhuang. There is the symbol of a coal mine near this line. On the Nelles map that I have however, it shows this line as joing up with the line from Xuzhou to the China sea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "huochemi" Date: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:01 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou > > > > > A recent post on Changjiang says that the Yanzhou Mining Bureau > has > > 6-8 QJs. Yanzhou is north of Xuhou on the JingHu (Beijing - > > Shanghai) line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2486-1077317712-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 00:06:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1KN6gJs004254 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:06:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1KMtJg30141 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:55:19 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2486-1077317712-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 22:55:13 -0000 X-Sender: drittson@cia.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97320 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 22:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 22:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 22:55:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 22:55:05 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Dennis Rittson" X-Originating-IP: 203.56.250.16 X-Yahoo-Profile: drittson MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:55:05 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Fw: 16th Extreme Steam Trip Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 452 Hi All, When our party visited Zhungheer between Feb 2 and Feb 4 this year, we met a couple of Brits, who also happened to be two of the publishers of the "Extreme Steam" books - Michael Rhodes and Vernon Murphy. They made delightful travelling companions and some excellent times were had by all. The highlight of this collaboration was the overnight travel by Hard Class from Houhote to Chabuga, the Brits leaving the train at Galadesitai. Michael has attempted to post a report of his trip to Steam_In_China, but has had it repeatedly bounced, so he has asked me to try to forward it on, so here it is. :) Cheers, Dennis R From: mr To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:03 AM Subject: 16th Extreme Steam trip I am just writing to check that Hogans batteries are holding out - I was greatly heartened that they seemed OK in Zhungheer!! On a more serious note there follow a few jottings on our recent trip. For the record can I just say in the zoo that has become chasing the last of Chinese steam - these Aussies were just great company and I think Hogan should be forgiven for his battery worries - if all gricers behaved as courteously and were as friendly as this lot, there would be no worries. Nanpiao - this is a fantastic system. First can I try and dispell some myths about when it was discovered etc. We understand that the first railway photographer to take an interest in the system was Wang ming Zhu, who went there in December 2002. He is an official photographer for CNR and also a steam enthusiast. He is a good friend of Li Weishu, our guide for the last 12 years. He then called Li and told him he thought the location would be good for taking tour groups to - Li made a fact finding trip to the lines in Sept 03 having tried to persuade us to visit it twice without success in March 2003 and Oct 2003, but after his fact finding visit he persuaded us it was worth a visit. Then the excellent maps by Louis Cerny appeared on the net in Oct 2003 (and by the way they are superb without a single mistake and allow very easy exploration of the lines). As for the system - it is a bit like steam in the South Wales valleys - a full report will follow once I've done a weeks work and then gone back to China in 6 days for 7 days on the last 3 narrow gauge systems. Jinxi Railway - again why has nobody raved about this line?? - it is quite simply fantastic. There are two return freights in daylight hours (the times on Florians pages are not quite right) They leave Huludao at 0900 and 1300 and the journey time to the limestone quarry at Yangzhangzi is 70 minutes. The trains return from Yangzhangzi at 1100 and 1500 and load to 14 x 50 tonne wooden bodied limestone wagons. We were treated to the sight of JS6243 stalling on the climb 5km out of Yangzhangzi and having to back down the hill, and take a second run at the summit - fantastic sight with good scenery and a conveniently located fast highway along the line to allow chasing - again can I say how accurate Louis Cerny's maps are for this sytem - they were worth their weight in gold. Tiefa - The diesels are coming - there was a DF5 No.3137 which was shunting the Daqing yard on 14th Feb and on that morning inspite of perfect sun and snow, the Faku empties left Daqing behind DFH 2609 and an SY (rather than the usual back to back SYs). It loaded to 62 empties and the SY wasn't even working at all. I suspect it is the beginning of the end for Tiefa. The DFH had arrived a week earlier and was in very poor condition and we think the DF5 may also belong to the colliery system although things got a bit jumbled in translation as Li asked about this engine. Of course the optimist may say that the diesel is needed as there is more traffic on the Tiefa system (the new mines north of Faku are now producing more coal) but I suspect like Pingdingshan, diesels will spread fairly quickly. Michael Rhodes ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2487-1077373165-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 15:21:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1LELo5M015632 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:21:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1LEJWg21647 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:19:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2487-1077373165-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2004 14:19:25 -0000 X-Sender: trevor@livesteaming.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91308 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 14:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 14:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a34-mta01.direcway.com) (66.82.4.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 14:19:24 -0000 Received: from trevor (dpc6682162197.direcpc.com [66.82.162.197]) by a34-mta01.direcway.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with SMTP id <0HTF00GSAUE78M@a34-mta01.direcway.com> for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:18:17 -0500 (EST) In-reply-to: <1077361632.1783.16858.m12@yahoogroups.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-id: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.82.4.90 From: Trevor Heath X-Yahoo-Profile: trevor2263 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 06:17:15 -0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] RE: Nanpiao Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 453 One can only wonder what other systems these two folks know about and are keeping to themselves. Just as Rob Dickinson has been Pontificating about for at least the past five years while most of us take the safe path with our limited vacation time, there could even now be other locations the "west" does not know about. I give all the credit to Louis, as he bothered to tell the rest of us peons what a few apparently already knew. TH "first railway photographer to take an interest in the system was Wang ming Zhu, who went there in December 2002. He is an official photographer for CNR and also a steam enthusiast. He is a good friend of Li Weishu, our guide for the last 12 years." Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2488-1077444228-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 11:06:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1MA6tkQ009346 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:06:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1MA3wg22627 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:03:58 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2488-1077444228-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2004 10:03:52 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 341 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 10:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 10:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 10:03:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2004 10:03:50 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "a6et" X-Originating-IP: 218.3.206.218 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:03:45 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Pei-Tun Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 454 Greetings from Xuzhou 22/02 Pei-Tun line is still a busy line however things are not helped by the late running of trains, this I beleive is mainly caused by the loss of a further QJ from the active roster. Iwas allowed into the depot & freely to photograph, maybe being Sunday ad something to do with as other have bee refused. It was in a way depressing to see the co;d dumped line up there. Last November I reported 5 active QJ now only 4, of these are 2 new ones 7031 & 7032 in ex workshop conditions. 7032 has a blue headboard with red trimmings. The Sy was today non stop working the various lines, & has a very bad big end knock. I think its being worked to death, when watching what it was doing in the yard & then straight out the mines. It is unsure if there is any plans for additional engines ateam or diesel, although it seems that they need more. The 2 QJ's waiting for wokshops that I posted last November still sit there along with 2 others with loaded tenders waiting to go. THey are not allowed to operate without boiler attention each 2 years thus as the 2 year life span after workshops, unless they are serviced they're gone. Colin Hussey Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2489-1077484631-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 22:22:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1MLM8Eq017933 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:22:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1MLHHg05079 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:17:18 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2489-1077484631-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2004 21:17:11 -0000 X-Sender: johs.damsgaard@hansen.mail.dk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72852 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 21:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 21:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 21:17:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2004 21:16:53 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "johs_damsgaard_hansen" X-Originating-IP: 195.249.228.97 X-Yahoo-Profile: johs_damsgaard_hansen MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:15:48 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] China update Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i1MLM8Eq017933 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 455 Hereby a few notes from a visit to China by Johs. Damsgaard Hansen and Steen Cavour Nielsen. Although no new discoveries there may be some hints for a few or two of you. Beijing (February 2): The railway museum is closed to public on Mondays. Dahuichang was busy as usual with both loco 2 and 3 in use. Shanghai (February 4): The Transrapid maglev line linking Long Yang Road station with Pudong International Airport is open to public. So far only service in the morning up to noon as tests still take place in the afternoon. With ticket fare at a hefty 80 Yuan compared to 90 Yuan for a taxi as well as the distance from Long Yang Road to the city centre this super fast line may not appeal to a wider public. Although out of topic it is worth mention that Scandinavian (SAS) starts flying Copenhagen Shanghai from March 28. With promotion fares from Copenhagen as low as 3.200 DKK (430 Euro) until mid June this may be one of the cheapest airfares to China at the moment. Tiefa (February 5): Business as usual. SY 360, 393,1412, 1749, 1767, 1770 and JS 5029 seen in steam. The newly arrived DFH 3 was in use as shunter at the Eastern part of Daqing station (next to the workshop). It is worth noticing that the coal and water facilities are located in the western end of Daqing station and here it seems possible to walk around taking pictures without been charged for the infamous photo ticket. Changchun (February 6): The once large tram network is now reduced to only one line (line 54) running in the outer area of Changchun. A few original Japanese trams dating back from the 1930'ties are still in use. Line 54 can be reached by using the recently opened light rail line which terminates in front of Changchun railway station. Accommodation is recommended at the newly build Post Hotel just left from the station. 240 Yuan get you a double including Chinese breakfast buffet. Meihekou (February 7): Thanks to Florians excellent report we gave this "new" destination a try and had an enjoyable day. Starting out from Meihekou station at 5.50 AM by taxi (rate was a flat 30 Yuan) we reached Sijing just in time to catch the morning passenger train leaving at 6.15. Regarding the photo problems at mine 2/Yijing yard, nobody took any notice of us or asked us to leave. Only at the electric railway NG line which by the way crosses the Yijing yard at an impressive wooden bridge some security official (?) coursed a few problems, so we just left the electric line. Locomotives in use were SY 791, 1216, 1217 and 1445. Nanpiao (February 8 and 9): For two days we traced this system which already has been covered intense over the latest months. Five SY's noticed in steam; beside the scrubby 366, 638, 1299 and 1478 did the newcomer 1092 look much cleaner. The diesel (BJ 3241) is in use only on the Linghe branch with freights, particular with trains going all the way through to Linghe. Guess it is because of the heavy gradient out from Zaojiatun. One afternoon SY 638 failed to do the climb with its train to the east out of Zaojiatun even in two attempts. Shortly afterwards the BJ appeared, probably called in from Xiamiaozi. The pattern of the freight workings has so far been described as changing from day to day and we can not add any further to this descriptionHowever, every morning the three locomotives not used for the passengers were to be found at Xiamiaozi depot, not leaving before 8.30 AM. Not reported so far are the many short workings to and from Zaojiatun. At more times two or even three SY's were spotted at the mine/station of Zaojiatun. Chasing trains in the area is rather easy due to the many minibuses running on the road next to the lines. Several times we just waited for the departure from Xiamiaozi and then followed the train by minibus. If one has the time and is interested in the many NG lines (600 mm or less) in the area then the double tracked electric line leaving the Zaojiatun mine to the north is the place to go. Wonderful small locos and intensive traffic are to be found here. What really appealed to us was the friendly atmosphere from both the locals and the railway staff. No hassle at all when walking around next to the mines or at the loco depot in Xiamiaozi. And even better: Loco staff did invite us for foot plate rides for free at two occasions! Yes this area has so far not been infected by the money virus so common many places within the last areas of Chinese steam. Ji-Tong line (February 10 to 15): We had the pleasure to join the FarRail winter spectacle tour during their visit. Nice to meet both old and new friends beside a tremendous lot of action at the Jingpeng pass. On February 12 no less then 10 eastbound trains within 12 hours! So intense was the traffic that at more times our minibus did not even have the time to drive the full way to Jingpeng station before a new uphill train could be spotted. East of Chabuga the diesels have taken over most freight. Nevertheless we saw one steam hauled freight train on this section. Both passengers on this section are still in the hands of steam. Yuanbaoshan/Pingzhuang (February 16): With base at the Yuanbaoshan Power Plant Hotel (good value at 156 Yuan for a double room) we had a brief visit to these two coal mine systems. At Yuanbaoshan the passenger did run both morning and afternoon. Otherwise not so much action with normally two to three locomotives doing nothing just waiting at the stable point or at the shunting yard. JS 6246, 6544, 8218, 8246 and 8249 seen in steam. Again, no problems with the authorities taking pictures or walking around at the yard. Pingzhuang we reached by minibus (5,50 Yuan a ticket) from Yuanbaoshan. A two hour visit over noon showed quite a lot of action with several trains to and from the coal washery. SY 271, 1052, 1085, JS 1002 and JS 5758 was in steam. Beside we spotted an unknown SY in the bottom of the open deep mine. Surprisingly, nobody took any notice of us walking around. By following the open roads/paths one may even be able to reach the bottom of the open mine! Very intense was the traffic at the electric part of the railway system. A pity we did not have more time to explore this mine which by far was better than expected. Back in Yuanbaoshan our hotel organised a limousine taxi to Chifeng at the price of 60 Yuan. A great way to end another steam bash in China. Johs. Damsgaard Hansen Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2490-1077487089-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 23:03:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1MM2dtp020209 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:03:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1MLwFg07874 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:58:15 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2490-1077487089-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2004 21:58:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 40256 invoked by uid 7800); 22 Feb 2004 21:58:08 -0000 X-Sender: robertohp2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28975 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.227.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 16:39:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20040222163911.89983.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.172.65.134] by web21107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:39:11 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00f701c3f787$ae0a44a0$5945fe91@farrail> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.227.109 From: Robert Pittman X-Yahoo-Profile: robertohp2001 X-eGroups-Approved-By: fm765083 via email; 22 Feb 2004 21:58:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:39:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i1MM2dtp020209 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 456 Dear Bernd, thank you so much for your email. I really appreciate your help! I will try these two. Actually what I am really looking for are the names and addresses of 3-4 railroad employees with whom I could meet when in China. I am applying for a grant to go on sort of an adventure expedition on trains through China. THe committee will only consider my application if I have the names of a few rail contacts. So I actually am not allowed to have a guide but I can have translators to meet these people. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ANY RAILROAD EMPLOYEES IN CHINA? Thanks for your help! All the best, Robert Bernd Seiler wrote: Dear Robert, Try these two and you'll be satisfied with their work: zhaoyang99@hotmail.com (Mrs. Zhao Yang) citsjlp@public.cc.jl.cn (Mr. Zhang) Good luck, Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pittman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Hello! My name is Robert. I am new to the newsgroup. I am trying to get a grant to go to China to go on a long rail expedition. They require though that you make prior contact with rail employees for the proposal. I hope you dont mind my asking you. You wrote that you have a guide. Does she speak English and is she knowledgeable about the rail system? Would I be able to contact her by email or phone? If this is a problem then please dont worry. Thank you! Enjoy your journey. Kind regards, Robert cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: IS it possible to fully confirm this report from the source, also the report about Zaozhuang. I will be in Xuzhou on the 22-23 for one day at Pei-Tun & would like to visit the Zaozhuang line IF there is steam there. I was informed by the guide I had last time, that she had visitited Zaozhuang & there was no steam there. THis leaves me to suspect that the bureau line may be a local line or one outside of Zaozhuang itself. On the Quail map there is shown a dotted line heading south from Zaozhuang. There is the symbol of a coal mine near this line. On the Nelles map that I have however, it shows this line as joing up with the line from Xuzhou to the China sea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "huochemi" Date: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:01 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou > > > > > A recent post on Changjiang says that the Yanzhou Mining Bureau > has > > 6-8 QJs. Yanzhou is north of Xuhou on the JingHu (Beijing - > > Shanghai) line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2491-1077490799-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 00:17:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1MNGhNv023526 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:17:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1MN06g11597 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:00:06 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2491-1077490799-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2004 23:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 91473 invoked by uid 7800); 22 Feb 2004 22:59:57 -0000 X-Sender: robertohp2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63981 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 16:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 16:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.227.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 16:55:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20040222165503.35357.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.172.65.134] by web21109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:55:03 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.227.111 From: Robert Pittman X-Yahoo-Profile: robertohp2001 X-eGroups-Approved-By: steamfreak711 via email; 22 Feb 2004 22:59:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:55:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Fw: 16th Extreme Steam Trip Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 457 Dear Dennis, thank you for posting this message to the group. This is really a fascinating article. I am new to the group and am trying to get to China too and would like to ask Michael Rhodes some questions. Would you be able to send me his email address? Thank you in advance! Kind regards, Robert Dennis Rittson wrote: Hi All, When our party visited Zhungheer between Feb 2 and Feb 4 this year, we met a couple of Brits, who also happened to be two of the publishers of the "Extreme Steam" books - Michael Rhodes and Vernon Murphy. They made delightful travelling companions and some excellent times were had by all. The highlight of this collaboration was the overnight travel by Hard Class from Houhote to Chabuga, the Brits leaving the train at Galadesitai. Michael has attempted to post a report of his trip to Steam_In_China, but has had it repeatedly bounced, so he has asked me to try to forward it on, so here it is. :) Cheers, Dennis R From: mr To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:03 AM Subject: 16th Extreme Steam trip I am just writing to check that Hogans batteries are holding out - I was greatly heartened that they seemed OK in Zhungheer!! On a more serious note there follow a few jottings on our recent trip. For the record can I just say in the zoo that has become chasing the last of Chinese steam - these Aussies were just great company and I think Hogan should be forgiven for his battery worries - if all gricers behaved as courteously and were as friendly as this lot, there would be no worries. Nanpiao - this is a fantastic system. First can I try and dispell some myths about when it was discovered etc. We understand that the first railway photographer to take an interest in the system was Wang ming Zhu, who went there in December 2002. He is an official photographer for CNR and also a steam enthusiast. He is a good friend of Li Weishu, our guide for the last 12 years. He then called Li and told him he thought the location would be good for taking tour groups to - Li made a fact finding trip to the lines in Sept 03 having tried to persuade us to visit it twice without success in March 2003 and Oct 2003, but after his fact finding visit he persuaded us it was worth a visit. Then the excellent maps by Louis Cerny appeared on the net in Oct 2003 (and by the way they are superb without a single mistake and allow very easy exploration of the lines). As for the system - it is a bit like steam in the South Wales valleys - a full report will follow once I've done a weeks work and then gone back to China in 6 days for 7 days on the last 3 narrow gauge systems. Jinxi Railway - again why has nobody raved about this line?? - it is quite simply fantastic. There are two return freights in daylight hours (the times on Florians pages are not quite right) They leave Huludao at 0900 and 1300 and the journey time to the limestone quarry at Yangzhangzi is 70 minutes. The trains return from Yangzhangzi at 1100 and 1500 and load to 14 x 50 tonne wooden bodied limestone wagons. We were treated to the sight of JS6243 stalling on the climb 5km out of Yangzhangzi and having to back down the hill, and take a second run at the summit - fantastic sight with good scenery and a conveniently located fast highway along the line to allow chasing - again can I say how accurate Louis Cerny's maps are for this sytem - they were worth their weight in gold. Tiefa - The diesels are coming - there was a DF5 No.3137 which was shunting the Daqing yard on 14th Feb and on that morning inspite of perfect sun and snow, the Faku empties left Daqing behind DFH 2609 and an SY (rather than the usual back to back SYs). It loaded to 62 empties and the SY wasn't even working at all. I suspect it is the beginning of the end for Tiefa. The DFH had arrived a week earlier and was in very poor condition and we think the DF5 may also belong to the colliery system although things got a bit jumbled in translation as Li asked about this engine. Of course the optimist may say that the diesel is needed as there is more traffic on the Tiefa system (the new mines north of Faku are now producing more coal) but I suspect like Pingdingshan, diesels will spread fairly quickly. Michael Rhodes Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Click Here --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2492-1077523410-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 09:07:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1N87KU6016572 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:07:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1N83ag09059 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:03:37 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2492-1077523410-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 08:03:30 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60996 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 08:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 08:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 08:03:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 08:03:29 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040222163911.89983.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 62.216.15.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:03:27 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Yanzhou Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 458 Dear Robert, Maybe you should also contact Hans Schaefer, he has his own home page with a lot of information especially on JiTong & knows almost every railway employee there, including the english speaking depot chief. It might be possible to get a local railway interested in your project. I think though that because of the language & because of the different way the railways operate, your project is much more difficult than in India, where many employees speak english & where an Indrail pass gives you unlimited access to trains and stations. good luck, ameling Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2493-1077526316-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 09:57:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1N8vFqB023358 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:57:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1N8q3g15933 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:52:03 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2493-1077526316-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 08:51:57 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17860 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 08:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 08:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-03.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 08:51:54 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-068-114.arcor-ip.net [145.254.68.114]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E6FAD89BE66; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:51:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <007801c3f9ea$4ae17960$771b90d4@farrail> To: Cc: "Hans Schaefer" References: <20040222163911.89983.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.43 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:42:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 459 Dear Robert, please contact Hans Schaefer schaefer@c2i.net directly. He has several excellent (even private) contacts to railway emploees of the JiTong line. Good luck! Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pittman" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Dear Bernd, thank you so much for your email. I really appreciate your help! I will try these two. Actually what I am really looking for are the names and addresses of 3-4 railroad employees with whom I could meet when in China. I am applying for a grant to go on sort of an adventure expedition on trains through China. THe committee will only consider my application if I have the names of a few rail contacts. So I actually am not allowed to have a guide but I can have translators to meet these people. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ANY RAILROAD EMPLOYEES IN CHINA? Thanks for your help! All the best, Robert Bernd Seiler wrote: Dear Robert, Try these two and you'll be satisfied with their work: zhaoyang99@hotmail.com (Mrs. Zhao Yang) citsjlp@public.cc.jl.cn (Mr. Zhang) Good luck, Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pittman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Hello! My name is Robert. I am new to the newsgroup. I am trying to get a grant to go to China to go on a long rail expedition. They require though that you make prior contact with rail employees for the proposal. I hope you dont mind my asking you. You wrote that you have a guide. Does she speak English and is she knowledgeable about the rail system? Would I be able to contact her by email or phone? If this is a problem then please dont worry. Thank you! Enjoy your journey. Kind regards, Robert cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: IS it possible to fully confirm this report from the source, also the report about Zaozhuang. I will be in Xuzhou on the 22-23 for one day at Pei-Tun & would like to visit the Zaozhuang line IF there is steam there. I was informed by the guide I had last time, that she had visitited Zaozhuang & there was no steam there. THis leaves me to suspect that the bureau line may be a local line or one outside of Zaozhuang itself. On the Quail map there is shown a dotted line heading south from Zaozhuang. There is the symbol of a coal mine near this line. On the Nelles map that I have however, it shows this line as joing up with the line from Xuzhou to the China sea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "huochemi" Date: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:01 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou > > > > > A recent post on Changjiang says that the Yanzhou Mining Bureau > has > > 6-8 QJs. Yanzhou is north of Xuhou on the JingHu (Beijing - > > Shanghai) line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Here is the correct one: hans.schaefer@ieee.org Best wishes, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernd Seiler To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Cc: Hans Schaefer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Dear Robert, please contact Hans Schaefer schaefer@c2i.net directly. He has several excellent (even private) contacts to railway emploees of the JiTong line. Good luck! Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pittman" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Dear Bernd, thank you so much for your email. I really appreciate your help! I will try these two. Actually what I am really looking for are the names and addresses of 3-4 railroad employees with whom I could meet when in China. I am applying for a grant to go on sort of an adventure expedition on trains through China. THe committee will only consider my application if I have the names of a few rail contacts. So I actually am not allowed to have a guide but I can have translators to meet these people. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ANY RAILROAD EMPLOYEES IN CHINA? Thanks for your help! All the best, Robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2497-1077572639-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 22:47:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1NLlHok019974 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:47:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1NLi6g14054 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:44:06 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2497-1077572639-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 21:44:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 90486 invoked by uid 7800); 23 Feb 2004 21:43:57 -0000 X-Sender: robertohp2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69242 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 20:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 20:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.227.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 20:08:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20040223200844.40875.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.172.65.134] by web21109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:08:44 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007801c3f9ea$4ae17960$771b90d4@farrail> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.227.111 From: Robert Pittman X-Yahoo-Profile: robertohp2001 X-eGroups-Approved-By: fm765083 via email; 23 Feb 2004 21:43:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:08:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i1NLlHok019974 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 463 Dear Bernd, ok thank you very much for your advice. All the best, Robert Bernd Seiler wrote: Dear Robert, please contact Hans Schaefer schaefer@c2i.net directly. He has several excellent (even private) contacts to railway emploees of the JiTong line. Good luck! Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pittman" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Dear Bernd, thank you so much for your email. I really appreciate your help! I will try these two. Actually what I am really looking for are the names and addresses of 3-4 railroad employees with whom I could meet when in China. I am applying for a grant to go on sort of an adventure expedition on trains through China. THe committee will only consider my application if I have the names of a few rail contacts. So I actually am not allowed to have a guide but I can have translators to meet these people. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ANY RAILROAD EMPLOYEES IN CHINA? Thanks for your help! All the best, Robert Bernd Seiler wrote: Dear Robert, Try these two and you'll be satisfied with their work: zhaoyang99@hotmail.com (Mrs. Zhao Yang) citsjlp@public.cc.jl.cn (Mr. Zhang) Good luck, Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pittman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou Hello! My name is Robert. I am new to the newsgroup. I am trying to get a grant to go to China to go on a long rail expedition. They require though that you make prior contact with rail employees for the proposal. I hope you dont mind my asking you. You wrote that you have a guide. Does she speak English and is she knowledgeable about the rail system? Would I be able to contact her by email or phone? If this is a problem then please dont worry. Thank you! Enjoy your journey. Kind regards, Robert cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: IS it possible to fully confirm this report from the source, also the report about Zaozhuang. I will be in Xuzhou on the 22-23 for one day at Pei-Tun & would like to visit the Zaozhuang line IF there is steam there. I was informed by the guide I had last time, that she had visitited Zaozhuang & there was no steam there. THis leaves me to suspect that the bureau line may be a local line or one outside of Zaozhuang itself. On the Quail map there is shown a dotted line heading south from Zaozhuang. There is the symbol of a coal mine near this line. On the Nelles map that I have however, it shows this line as joing up with the line from Xuzhou to the China sea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "huochemi" Date: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:01 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] Yanzhou > > > > > A recent post on Changjiang says that the Yanzhou Mining Bureau > has > > 6-8 QJs. Yanzhou is north of Xuhou on the JingHu (Beijing - > > Shanghai) line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2498-1077577642-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 00:17:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1NNHFUJ025281 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:17:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1NNCQg20640 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:12:27 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2498-1077577642-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 23:07:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 76913 invoked by uid 7800); 23 Feb 2004 23:07:20 -0000 X-Sender: robertohp2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4908 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 17:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 17:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.227.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 17:45:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20040223174542.88938.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.172.65.134] by web21104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:45:42 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.227.106 From: Robert Pittman X-Yahoo-Profile: robertohp2001 X-eGroups-Approved-By: steamfreak711 via email; 23 Feb 2004 23:07:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:45:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Thanks and 2 Questions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 464 Dear Steam in China members, I only joined this site a couple of weeks ago and am fascinated by what all of you write and also want to thank everyone for their generosity in letting me join and in helping me with some questions I have. The last time I wrote I told about the fact that I am applying for a grant to go to China on a railway adventure. I am interested mainly in the social-cultural aspects of the trains - I want to study the train system itself as a microcosm. So my 2 new questions for the group are: Does anyone have the email of Michael Rhodes? He wrote a great article about a trip and I would like to ask him somehting. Does anyone know anything about the "Boyinshi" - the train disc jockey who runs the music program on every train?? Does anyone happen to know any Boyinshi in China. Thanks very much to all. All the best! Robert Pittman --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2499-1077577645-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 00:17:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1NNHFUT025281 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:17:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1NN8Qg20405 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:08:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2499-1077577645-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2004 23:07:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 52425 invoked by uid 7800); 23 Feb 2004 23:07:25 -0000 X-Sender: robertohp2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74237 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 20:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 20:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.227.112) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 20:10:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040223201019.51548.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.172.65.134] by web21110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:10:19 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.227.112 From: Robert Pittman X-Yahoo-Profile: robertohp2001 X-eGroups-Approved-By: steamfreak711 via email; 23 Feb 2004 23:07:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:10:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Yanzhou Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 465 Dear Ameling, thank you very much for your kind email. In fact today someone else also recommended Hans Schaefer! Thanks for your help. Kind regards, Robert ameling algra wrote: Dear Robert, Maybe you should also contact Hans Schaefer, he has his own home page with a lot of information especially on JiTong & knows almost every railway employee there, including the english speaking depot chief. It might be possible to get a local railway interested in your project. I think though that because of the language & because of the different way the railways operate, your project is much more difficult than in India, where many employees speak english & where an Indrail pass gives you unlimited access to trains and stations. good luck, ameling --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2500-1077603382-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 07:17:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1O6H9uF009465 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:17:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1O6GSg07384 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:16:29 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2500-1077603382-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2004 06:16:22 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44141 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 06:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2004 06:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 06:16:20 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-067-014.arcor-ip.net [145.254.67.14]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 487518C9F36 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:15:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004001c3fa9d$ad859c50$0e43fe91@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.42 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:15:53 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng news Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 466 Hi all together, from my recent FarRail trip I brought some good news direclty from the admistration of the JiTong railway. However, unfortunately it's not the full truth that they will not buy new diesels in 2004. They're planning to buy second hand ones from China Railway. If you're interested in JiTong, please read my trip report at the well known site. Have a nice week, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Patt To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re. It won't be REAL Ladies & Gentlemen, before I will get back to the JP circus tomorrow, adding 38 more red and bright-yellow dressed newbies to the photo-positions in the next 3 weeks, I want to throw one more rumour in the discussion! :-)) According to a telephone call between CITS and JiTong a few days ago, there are actually NO plans to introduce diesels on the other parts of the JiTong line for the moment and steam on the section Daban- Haolokou may probably last until end of 2006!! Don't hold your breath! Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2501-1077677659-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 03:57:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1P2vnO2020215 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:57:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1P2sQg17857 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:54:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2501-1077677659-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 02:54:19 -0000 X-Sender: diheron@shaw.ca X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98633 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 02:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 02:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pd5mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) (24.71.223.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 02:54:16 -0000 Received: from pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr2so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.178]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HTM00F85DARDK@l-daemon> for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HTM001FGDAMUP@l-daemon> for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from D482FT01 (h68-144-9-104.cg.shawcable.net [68.144.9.104]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0HTM00C2EDAMLP@l-daemon> for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:51:58 -0700 (MST) To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000d01c3fb53$4a14a470$68099044@D482FT01> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1077623301.245.43150.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 24.71.223.10 From: Don & Ida Heron X-Yahoo-Profile: alberta82003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:56:03 -0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Address of Model Ry Shop in Beijing Pls Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 467 Can someone provide an update on the location, phone number and hours of operation of the model railway shop in Beijing please? ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2502-1077712336-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 13:40:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1PCeQCY025628 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:40:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i1PCeVB10043 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:40:31 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2502-1077712336-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 12:32:16 -0000 X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27519 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 12:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 12:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.245.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 12:32:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:24:46 -0800 Received: from 220.172.152.48 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:24:46 GMT X-Originating-Email: [awbeard@hotmail.com] X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2004 12:24:46.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AEA0F50:01C3FB9A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.245.69 From: "alan walter beard" X-Originating-IP: [220.172.152.48] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:24:46 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Hechi & Luocheng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 468 Good evening, Bernd Business as usual in Guangxi Province JS 8374 on Sancha -- Luocheng Mixed, yesterday Dick and I currently at Pingzhai (and have not popped in to see Jinchengjiang Xi 'shed', on this trip) Traffic somewhat light. Just one return coal train today, for example, in addition to the returned Mixed. Cloudy. But pleasing video sequences nonetheless Track upgrades continue. Roads much improved Best wishes Alan _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2503-1077720159-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 16:10:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1PF9uou018608 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:10:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1PF0fg12838 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:00:42 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2503-1077720159-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 14:42:39 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32756 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 14:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 14:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.web.de) (217.72.192.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 14:42:36 -0000 Received: from [134.147.29.166] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.99 #605) id 1Aw0CF-0005p0-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:39:35 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200402251542.02251.hubbertweb@web.de> Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.151 From: ";-)" X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:42:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Hechi & Luocheng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 469 Dear Alan, in what shape is the road from Poluo to Pingzhai presently? It was under heavy construction end 2002. Is it still so or is it now completed? Many greetings, Heinrich Hubbert Am Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2004 13:24 schrieb alan walter beard: > Good evening, Bernd > > Business as usual in Guangxi Province > > JS 8374 on Sancha -- Luocheng Mixed, yesterday > > Dick and I currently at Pingzhai (and have not popped in to see > Jinchengjiang Xi 'shed', on this trip) > > Traffic somewhat light. Just one return coal train today, for example, in > addition to the returned Mixed. Cloudy. But pleasing video sequences > nonetheless > > Track upgrades continue. Roads much improved > > Best wishes > > Alan > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2504-1077730551-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 18:54:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1PHs6Xw005073 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:54:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1PHgpg32050 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:42:52 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2504-1077730551-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2004 17:35:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 26142 invoked by uid 7800); 25 Feb 2004 17:35:48 -0000 X-Sender: sandrovgt@yahoo.it X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46797 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 15:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2004 15:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10507.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.130.157) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 15:02:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040225150236.64555.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.72.48.158] by web10507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:02:36 CET To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1077708845.1766.205.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.130.157 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?sandro=20vigato?= X-Yahoo-Profile: sandrovgt X-eGroups-Approved-By: fm765083 via email; 25 Feb 2004 17:35:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:02:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digest Number 583 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 470 --- Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com ha scritto: > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Address of Model Ry Shop in Beijing Pls > From: Don & Ida Heron > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:56:03 -0800 > From: Don & Ida Heron > Subject: Address of Model Ry Shop in Beijing Pls > > Can someone provide an update on the location, phone > number > and hours of operation of the model railway shop in > Beijing please? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I 've been in Beijing on last 7 february and tried to find the famous shop near the zoo... after one spoiled mornig I understood that shop do not exist anymore. I spent the afternoon going around for commercial centers: Models was found at the Lufthansa center (SY, QJ, green and white/blu coaches plus other non chinese models)and in other 2 in the pedestrian zone but i did'nt look for anymore because I've already bought what i wanted. So I suggest go like a normal tourist and you'll find models in commercial centers at the toys department. Good luck and remenber to ask 10% discount. Sandro Vigato > ===== Con i miei migliori saluti/ With my best regards Sandro Vigato Per rispondere usate / For your answer use: sandrovgt@yahoo.it ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2505-1077780639-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 13:06:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1QC6rma020226 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:06:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i1QC6xB07140 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:06:59 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2505-1077780639-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2004 07:30:39 -0000 X-Sender: drittson@cia.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53735 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 07:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 07:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 07:30:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2004 07:30:34 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040222165503.35357.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Dennis Rittson" X-Originating-IP: 203.56.250.16 X-Yahoo-Profile: drittson MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:30:32 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Fw: 16th Extreme Steam Trip Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 472 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Robert Pittman Robert and all, > thank you for posting this message to the group. This is really > a fascinating article. I am new to the group and am trying to > get to China too and would like to ask Michael Rhodes some > questions. Would you be able to send me his email address? Robert, Yes, Michael's article is fascinating: Nanpiao and the Jinxi Railway both sound like locations worth considering on a future trip to China. Hopefully, he will report on these sites in gresater detail when he returns from his second trip (to the remaining narrow gauge systems) shortly. Michael's email address can accessed from the message headers of his previous postings to this Group: for example, message #2386. The search engine at the top right of any page is useful for chasing up these things. Hope this helps, Dennis R ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Takuhiro Oto also visited this area. http://www.qj-country.de/news Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2508-1077870644-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 09:43:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1R8huFA028665 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:43:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1R8Uog04012 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:30:51 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2508-1077870644-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2004 08:30:45 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47922 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 08:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 08:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 08:30:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2004 08:30:43 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:30:43 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Fw: 16th Extreme Steam Trip Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 474 Can anyone tell me what is so interesting about Michael's Nanpiao report? I did not find anything new to the excellent reports of Louis Cerny, Heinz Hubbert & Rob Dickinson. And the fact that someone knows about a system without telling is not really new either i think.. > Yes, Michael's article is fascinating: Nanpiao and the Jinxi Railway both sound like locations worth considering on a future trip to China. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2509-1078012427-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 00:55:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1SNrtfi002909 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:55:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1SNrrg13216 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:53:53 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2509-1078012427-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2004 23:53:47 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23272 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 23:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 23:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 23:53:45 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HTTJPI00.1DV for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:53:42 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2556a6255279.2552792556a6@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:53:42 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Recently discovered/reported steam opeations Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 475 Hello from China Re the Pei-tun line As I reported last week this line is affected by the fact that there is now one engine down compared to last year. The affect is that with only 4xQJ available for traffic a well as 2xDf there is an extreme shortage of engines, making most trains late. Last year 6-8 trains operated on the line, with light engine working being regular to pock up empties at Shatang or return for loads. To watch the work that the SY was doing was an example of a line needing extra engines. This time around 22/03 one DF was not seen at all, and then one QJ was brought out to help out the SY in shuttle services. Noting that the had 2 new QJ'S 7031 & 7032 one can only hope that they may have a source to obtain another one or even a DF. It is easy to see that the DF's haul half the Shatang traffic when the available engines are down. Colin Hussey ----- Original Message ----- From: Florian Menius Date: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:06 pm Subject: [Steam_in_China] Recently discovered/reported steam opeations > > > > > Hello, > > > > Bruce Evans visited and discovered six furter steam operated > industrial > and local railways, 5 out of them situated around Xuzhou. Takuhiro Oto > > also visited this area. > > > > http://www.qj-country.de/news > > > > Florian Menius > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2510-1078042445-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 09:19:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1T8It4w018373 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:19:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1T8EBg12088 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:14:11 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2510-1078042445-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 08:14:05 -0000 X-Sender: roche@12move.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77926 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 08:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 08:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 08:14:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 08:14:02 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2556a6255279.2552792556a6@goconnect.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "Peter Semmelroch" X-Originating-IP: 62.104.213.81 X-Yahoo-Profile: qj7141 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:14:00 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Recently discovered/reported steam opeations Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 476 Hello Colin, QJ 7031 and 7032 are not new to this line. They were already present, when I visited last September (7031 working, 7032 spare engine in steam). Nevertheless it is good news that they have apparently sent both away for heavy overhaul in the meantime. Which other two QJs are working at the moment? Which ones did you find in the depot (dumped, or cold awaiting overhaul)? Peter Semmelroch Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2511-1078099151-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 01:04:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i21040Wx014952 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:04:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i1TNxHg06749 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:59:17 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2511-1078099151-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 23:59:11 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36090 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 23:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2004 23:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 23:59:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2004 23:58:55 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.71 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:58:55 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Discoveries in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 477 Hello all, Just got back from a trip to China for non-steam reasons, but was able to get in a few days of exploration. Big News! - Maanshan, a city about 55 km south of Nanjing, may have more active steam locomotives than any other city on the world. The Maanshan Industrial Railway serves a hugh heavy industrial district that runs for about 9 km along the east bank of the Yangtze River and is 3-4 km wide. (About 30 square km) The industries are interspersed with residential areas so that public streets cut through them, giving access to interesting photo locations too numerous to count. The impression one gets in this area is of a great industrual city in the early steam-to-diesel transition era. There are some GK1 diesels, but most of the work is done by SY. In less than four hours of observation, far too brief to get the full scope of operation, I saw 14 different SY in motion, and this I think was only a small fraction of those in operation here. (I'll continue this in a following message) Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2512-1078100058-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 01:19:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i210J0Z4015487 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:19:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i210EOg10075 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:14:24 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2512-1078100058-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 00:14:18 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71801 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 00:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 00:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 00:14:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 00:14:16 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.71 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:14:15 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] 2nd part of new discoveries message Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 478 Continuing about Maanshan: At many points 3 engines could be seen working at once. I saw two areas where light servicing could be performed but I was not able to locate the engine shed. Engines seen at work were SY 0053 (supershine), 0627, 0784, 0788, 0790, 1281, 1336, 1499, 1551, 1644, 1670, 1715, 1718, and 1733. There were many large parts of the industrial area I did not have time to explore and many other engines were seen but I couldn't get the number. I estimate 30 to 40 steam locomotives are in operation here. The industrial area is west of the CNR main line, and the Maanshan station is about midway along its 9 km north-south reach. There are 4-hour express trains between Shanghai and Maanshan. I hope to prepare a map by next week, but it will be a very rough sketch, because I didn't have time to see the whole operation. Because of the interspersed residential areas, Maanshan has an enourmous photographic potential for shots capturing the flavor of a major industrial city in the steam era. (More information follows) Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2513-1078100645-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 01:34:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i210Y0XM016009 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:34:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i210OCg10472 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:24:12 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2513-1078100645-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 00:24:06 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45160 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 00:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 00:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 00:24:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 00:24:04 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.71 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:24:02 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] 3rd part of new discoveries Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 479 Wuhu Steel Mill This mill is located in the southeast part of Wuhu, which is 50 km south of Maanshan. SY1554 was seem switching at the public crossing at the south end of the mill. No attempt was made to enter the mill, which has a very definite security perimeter. It is possible many additional steam locomotives are in use here. Huainan Chemical Railway This line is located on the west side of the city of Huainan, which is located about 400km west of Shanghai on the line to Fuyang (Quail map line 15P, page 6). It serves a large chemical complex and connects it to the CNR via a 6 km line which includes a 1 in 100 grade abou 1 km long through agricultural scenery. I saw SY0868 working flat-out on a 24-car train, and the full-throated sound it made seemed louder than 2 QJ. In addition to the frequent interchange moves , there is another move with side dump cars from the chemical plant to a dumping area about 1 km from the CNR interchange. (information continues in next message) Louis Cerny Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2514-1078101161-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 01:34:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i210Y0XO016009 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:34:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i210Wmg10799 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:32:48 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2514-1078101161-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 00:32:41 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51840 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 00:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 00:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 00:32:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 00:32:39 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.71 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:32:39 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] 4th part of new discoveries report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 480 Continuing about Huainan ChemicalRailway: The dumped material is gathered by a large number of local people on bicycles. The dumping can be photographed from the top of ruins of a stone tower. SY1569 was also seen working. No attempt was made to enter the security perimeter of the chemical plant where the shed is located. There are probaly other engines in use. (I hope to provide a map by next week.) A wide variety of hotels was available in this city. A luxury room with two double beds was 118 yuan. Pinyu Power Plant Across the river from Huainan, this power plant uses JS for switching from the CNR interchange tracks. The interchange yard is west of the plant and there is a public road crossing between the plant and the interchange yard. JS8386 was seen in use, and another, which I think was JS8288, was in the plant. (More information continues) Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2515-1078101830-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 01:44:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i210i0t9016388 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:44:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i210hwg11113 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:43:58 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2515-1078101830-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 00:43:50 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21377 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 00:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 00:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 00:43:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 00:43:50 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.71 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:43:49 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] 5th part (of five) of new discoveries report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 481 The Ones That Got Away I thought the extensive coal fields west of Huainan would be prime targets for "new discoveries." It turns out that they would have been - in 2002. At least four major operations in this area using QJ and JS were said to have lasted until 2003. Another type of "New Discovery." My guide for this trip, both the professional and the steam parts, was Wang Jie, who was recommended by a Chinese friend of Rob Dickinson. Her cheery personality, youthful energy, dedication to client satisfaction, desire to save the client's money, and not being bothered by quick changes in plans, made her a very excellent guide. Her e-mail is jessiewong_bj@hotmail.com Louis Cerny Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2516-1078119191-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 06:34:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i215YHdv025176 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 06:34:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i215XHg22133 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 06:33:17 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2516-1078119191-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2004 05:33:11 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42767 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 05:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 05:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.web.de) (217.72.192.151) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 05:33:08 -0000 Received: from [134.147.31.13] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.99 #605) id 1Axg3A-0004t7-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:33:08 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200403010636.52367.hubbertweb@web.de> Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.151 From: Heinrich Hubbert X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 06:36:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New Discoveries in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 482 Hello Louis, I know - and probably all others here - you are doing great things! Thank You Very Much! Heinrich Am Montag, 1. Mrz 2004 00:58 schrieb notenfrog: > Hello all, > Just got back from a trip to China for non-steam reasons, but was > able to get in a few days of exploration. > > Big News! - Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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The depot manager was unable to shed any further light as to whether any of the oou use engines would be overhauled. They do sit in the middle road, with the other dumped engines 3425 & 7176 now in reverse order & moved to the outside track from their previous position at the rear of the 3rd track. Colin ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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It is hard to see how you could get more use out of 4 SY's, it's amazing that they look so good considering that they are in the jiwuduan only briefly. We found Louis Cerny's map and Florian's report of much help. The passenger trains to the main branch remain the same. Here is the timetable to 4th mine (Sijing); Departs; Yijing ----0740----1111----1540----1900 Sijing-----0950----1415----1730 The action is intense in the early morning in the Yijing yard. Don't overlook the little electric railway that runs here either. The light gets better on the main branch as the day goes on. The steepest grade on the railway is on the tight curve just out of Yijing going to Sijing, but working locos are tender first here. There is also good action on the "street running" section just west of Yijing heading west. Weather is cold (-20) and clear, and snow-covered. It's dry with sandstorms less than 100 km west of here, near the city of Siping. There is a convenient hotel on the left as you walk out the train station. It is right after the 24-hour open restaurant, stairs to 3rd floor. Basic room Y60 with 1/2 cm padding on bed, best room Y100 with working water and 5 cm padding. A MUCH MUCH better hotel is the Xing Gan Han Shi Xi Yu, this is a spotlessly clean and modern bathhouse/hotel which is about 450 meter walk out the station park to the right, and on the other side of the road. All the amenities, hot pool, sauna, the rooms are magnificent for....Y60 ! Full body massage available by one of the young ladies for Y100. We had a taxi driver who was careful, polite, and fair. We hired him for Y300 for the day and thought this was a great deal considering the km we went. Hired him to arrive at 0130 for night photos, he got there early, rested, and brought food, and stayed out longer than we asked him to. Simply the best taxi experience I've ever had in China, I can't recommend this young man enough. His name is; Jia Hong Li taxi # 35068 Tel # 0448 2375376 Meihekou means "coal river mouth", and is called Meihe (rhymes with Weihe) by the locals, for short. _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 488 > 1. In the reports that people send the steam locomotives always have > a type name such as QJxxxx. I read in an article that steam > locomotives in China have very colorful names such as "Civilized > Youth", "Progress", "Reconstruction", "Anti-Imperialism". Are these > names also used for a certain type of locomotive or are they > individual locomotives just like in aviation Lufthansa names all of > its 747-400s after certain cities. QJ is the name of a locmotive type (similar to locomotive classes in the west). some translations of some Chinese steam loco types: QJ (2-10-2) : Qianjin = Progress JF (2-8-2) : Jiefang = Freedom SY (2-8-2) : Shangyou = High Aim Currently don`t remeber the translation for the JS (Jianshe). > 3. Do diesel and electric locomotives also have such colorful names? They have names, too but not such colourful, sometimes even only decriptive: SS xx (el) : Shaoshan = birthplace of the GREAT LEADER MaoTseDong) DF xx (de) : Dongfeng = eastern wind DFH xx (dh) : Dongfanghong = "the east is red" ND xx (de) : Neiran Dianle = diesel-electric and so on. A full list of steam locomotive names can be found in the Chinese book "A survey of Chinese Steam 1876-2001". Best regards, Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 490 Welcome, this is my first letter to this mailgroup. I apologise for my english grammar. Trip to China (via transsiberian route of course) is my old dream but never realised due to financial and life problems. Now I'm ready to go, but I'm affraid, that it will be to late. I want to spot again massive steam traffic, to refresh my memory about regular steam in Poland. Have I any chance in summer this year? Which routes you are suggesting (if possible, in not very hot region). I want also to visit any forest railway with similar to polish Kp4 locos, if they are still working. TIA for any suggestions, M. Czapkiewicz, Krakow, Poland. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2526-1078247118-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 2 18:12:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i22HCWFI020001 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:12:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i22H5QF23144 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:05:27 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2526-1078247118-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2004 17:05:20 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35620 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2004 17:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2004 17:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.web.de) (217.72.192.209) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2004 17:05:07 -0000 Received: from [134.147.119.227] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.99 #605) id 1AyDKM-0003mq-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:05:06 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <24430e23f314.23f31424430e@goconnect.net> In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200403021809.16693.hubbertweb@web.de> X-WEBDE-TAG: W Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.209 From: Heinrich Hubbert X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:09:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 ? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 492 Welcome Maciej! Don`t worry. You are coming late, but not too late! If you want Big Stuff: Very certain for you to get the worlds heaviest steamworkings untill this years end at least - Jingpeng. If you can move soon, you could find also heavy QJ-traffic at a coalfield at Zhungeer near Datong - but in 2 or 3 month it could be finished due to electrification. There are still numerous local-, mine-, stellmill- and industrial-railways all over the country with steam - also in the north. But the south is also not hot in wintertime - or even chilli. If you come by Transsib, you could just drop out at the border because in Jalai Nur is the biggest open coal pit in China with dozens of SYs. On the narrow-gauge, you can find C2-class at work in Dahuichang very close to Beijing. It is short but easy to get there and very busy. In the archive of this site and from the links to others you will find bulk information for you about what is left to see. In the old emails you will also find, what can help you: Sometimes newbies asked, and others told the basics for the first steps. Many greetings, Heinrich Am Dienstag, 2. Mrz 2004 16:14 schrieb Maciej Czapkiewicz: > Welcome, this is my first letter to this mailgroup. > I apologise for my english grammar. > > > Trip to China (via transsiberian route of course) is my old dream but > never realised due to financial and life problems. > Now I'm ready to go, but I'm affraid, that it will be to late. > I want to spot again massive steam traffic, to refresh my memory > about regular steam in Poland. Have I any chance in summer this year? > Which routes you are suggesting (if possible, in not very hot region). > I want also to visit any forest railway with similar to polish Kp4 locos, > if they are still working. > > TIA for any suggestions, > M. Czapkiewicz, Krakow, Poland. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 493 > Very certain for you to get the worlds heaviest steamworkings untill this > years end at least - Jingpeng. Yes, I heard about this. Hope that it will be steam-operated in Juny or July - my work prevents me to go in winter time. It is pity because I prefer winter - steam looks nice in cold air. And there is possibility to prevent against cold wearing clothes but not the opposite way ;-) > If you come by Transsib, you could just drop out at the border because in > Jalai Nur is the biggest open coal pit in China with dozens of SYs. Good idea, thanks for information. > On the narrow-gauge, you can find C2-class at work in Dahuichang very close to > Beijing. It is short but easy to get there and very busy. These C2 locomotives are very similar to russian Kp4, which was built also in Poland: http://www.fablok.com.pl/an/fa0545a.htm There are other polish tank engines eported to China: http://www.fablok.com.pl/an/fa0542a.htm or http://railroad.dnsalias.net/t/bahn/oth/p_ste/FERRUM9.GIF Are any survivors existing at industrial railways? > > In the archive of this site and from the links to others you will find bulk > information for you about what is left to see. Yes, it is bulk material, good lectures for long days in train passing Taiga ;-) But after short briefing I saw many information about abandoned lines, dieselification, electrifications and other pesimistic topics - this is a reeason of my question about journey in summer. Thank you for the answer, I hope that it will be not to late. Regards, Mc PS. did you know any other groups/lists generally about steam? 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i22Ncm2Z029424 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 495 Dear Maciej, Polish steam locos are not in use as far as I know. The forestry railway Changting (near Mudanjiang) had a Chrzanw built C2 as spare, but nobody visited this line for several years. Maybe, it's closed now. Another Polish tank loco is visible in the loco shed of the steel works Benxi. This is a standard gauge tank engine, very similar to the Chinese class GJ. The Polish type is called XK in China. The Benxi loco is XK 28, stored and preserved for a small museum. If you have two weeks time, I'd visit the following lines# Dahuichang (near Beijing) C2 Tiefa (north of Shenyang) SY Huanan (narrow gauge south of Jiamusi) C2 the JiTong line at least in the section Galadesitai - Jingpeng (Inner Mongolia) QJ Yuanbaoshan (25 km from) Chifeng JS In this trip you would see all standard classes, all railways are in the northern area (not too hot, maximum should be in Tiefa and Yuanbaoshan with about 30 degrees Centigrade, Huanan and Jingpeng should have some 20 - 25 degrees Centigrade). Good luck, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: Maciej Czapkiewicz To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 ? > Very certain for you to get the worlds heaviest steamworkings untill this > years end at least - Jingpeng. Yes, I heard about this. Hope that it will be steam-operated in Juny or July - my work prevents me to go in winter time. It is pity because I prefer winter - steam looks nice in cold air. And there is possibility to prevent against cold wearing clothes but not the opposite way ;-) > If you come by Transsib, you could just drop out at the border because in > Jalai Nur is the biggest open coal pit in China with dozens of SYs. Good idea, thanks for information. > On the narrow-gauge, you can find C2-class at work in Dahuichang very close to > Beijing. It is short but easy to get there and very busy. These C2 locomotives are very similar to russian Kp4, which was built also in Poland: http://www.fablok.com.pl/an/fa0545a.htm There are other polish tank engines eported to China: http://www.fablok.com.pl/an/fa0542a.htm or http://railroad.dnsalias.net/t/bahn/oth/p_ste/FERRUM9.GIF Are any survivors existing at industrial railways? > > In the archive of this site and from the links to others you will find bulk > information for you about what is left to see. Yes, it is bulk material, good lectures for long days in train passing Taiga ;-) But after short briefing I saw many information about abandoned lines, dieselification, electrifications and other pesimistic topics - this is a reeason of my question about journey in summer. Thank you for the answer, I hope that it will be not to late. Regards, Mc PS. did you know any other groups/lists generally about steam? 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 496 Am Dienstag, 2. Mrz 2004 21:39 schrieb Maciej Czapkiewicz: > > Very certain for you to get the worlds heaviest steamworkings untill this > > years end at least - Jingpeng. > > Yes, I heard about this. Hope that it will be steam-operated > in Juny or July - my work prevents me to go in winter time. Sesaons are not affecting steam-operations in China like it was with the "heating periods" in the last days of polish steam - there is also no summer-break like in Wolsztyn :-) I even heard that e.g. Jalai Nur has increased output (=traffic) outside of winter, when the ground is not frozen. > It is pity because I prefer winter - steam looks nice in cold air. > And there is possibility to prevent against cold wearing > clothes but not the opposite way ;-) Go to the page of our groupmate Duncan Cotterill and you will see his wonderfull summer-pictures from Jingpeng last year. For myself, I enjoy very much the changing colours of autum. China is good for steam - not only in winter. Make the best out of your first visit. > > There are other polish tank engines eported to China: > http://www.fablok.com.pl/an/fa0542a.htm > or > http://railroad.dnsalias.net/t/bahn/oth/p_ste/FERRUM9.GIF > > Are any survivors existing at industrial railways? > I saw an EH-class (Slask=Tkp) cold in Batou stellworks 10 years ago. Shure, its out of service now, but maybe it is still dumped ore preserved at a museum. BTW Baotou is a good place to see slag-tip-trains from a public accessible area. > > But after short briefing I saw many information about abandoned > lines, dieselification, electrifications and other pesimistic > topics - this is a reeason of my question about journey in summer. > Thank you for the answer, I hope that it will be not to late. I understand your impression. It is declining steadily. But still you will not be able to visit more then a handfull of all these places left with steam. And if you observe our list carefully, you will see that there are still white spots on the map: when sometimes a new promising steam-site gets into the light. Pulled out of the dark by some sturdy hardliners. So if you are ambitious and have time, you can make a name here ;-) I wish we had this fine tool to exchange knowledge already 10 years ago. Many greetings, Heinrich Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2532-1078289755-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 05:59:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i234x5LL010082 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:59:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i234u1F17763 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:56:02 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2532-1078289755-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 04:55:55 -0000 X-Sender: mk74volts@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67503 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 04:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 04:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 04:55:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 04:55:34 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Mike" X-Originating-IP: 68.187.51.58 X-Yahoo-Profile: mk74volts MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 04:55:33 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] some questions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 498 Hi all, I am going to Beijing in a about a week and I have a few questions I would like to ask. First is about the NG limestone railway, it is still in operation? And how would one get there from Beijing? Is it very far? Next, can one of you experienced travelers recommend an inexpensive hotel in Beijing? I do not need a fancy place but I will be staying there with my wife. Finally, how far away are the nearest active QJ's? Is there any other steam action near Beijing? Thanks in advance...I will tell you all about the journey upon my return. I will also be shooting many slides and video. Thanks again.........Mike P.S. I already know of the museum there. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2535-1078325860-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 16:58:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i23Fw6pj016213 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:58:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i23Evkt16571 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:57:46 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2535-1078325860-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 14:57:40 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66071 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 14:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 14:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 14:57:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 14:56:14 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 62.216.15.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:56:12 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: some questions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 500 Hello Mike, in addition to Ian's reply: the Dahuichang bus used to have number 385 but the truncated service runs unnumbered (or with covered line number). But the stop across the level crossing clearly states Da Hui Chang, anyway it is where most other passengers from your minibus go. By the way, the route to Dahuichang was published on this formu in December (by me) About HO model shops, I am personally not interested but I read on this forum that the specialized shop in Beijing has gone. Probably your best bet is the Lufthansa centre, which is mentioned in the Lonely Planet guide. It was also mentioned in this forum not too long ago. Steam near Beijing: the obvious choice used to be Chengde, but alas, it is gone. Probably the nearest to Beijing are Fuxin & Nanpiao, the latter can probably be reached from Beijing on day trains. Pingdinshan & Reshui are your best bet for QJ workings. Reshui is scenically by far the best, but Pingdinshan has the advantage of having both QJ's and SY's and JS's. If you go to Pingdinshan, it can be done on a day trip: take the train of around 8am from Beijing Xi to Zhengzhou & on to Hankou; get of at Zhengzhou and take a bus from the bus station at the front of the railway station. Getting to Reshui is a bit more complicated and takes more time. enjoy your trip, ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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I think it is called Bajiaocun, or something very similar. From the western exit of the station on the south side go westwards 100 to 200 yards to the next traffic light and cross street. At the SW corner of the intersection is an area where mini-buses congregate. Ask to go to Dahuichang, and you will either get driven a mile or so to a railroad track for 1 yuan, or all the way to Dahuichang for about 40 yuan. If you get the 1 yuan ride, cross the tracks, and get on the connecting red bus (no 386 I think), and it will take you to Dahuichang for a further 1 yuan. If you go the whole way by mini bus make sure the driver takes you to the bus terminal, which is right beside the n.g. line, and about half a mile beyond Dahuichang village. Allow 2 hours total travelling time from downtown Beijing to Dahuichang, although it is only 20 to 25 miles away. Hotels - The Hademan and the Chongwenmen are adjacent to Chongwenmen subway stn, which is one stop west of the old main station. They are about 3 star western standard, and a room will cost just under 400 yuan at this time of year if you bargain. Also, touts at Beijing Zhan will take you to accomodation just off Wangfujingdajie for about 250 yuan for one star accomodation. I've stayed in various hotels over the years in this area and they've all been good value for BJ. At Beijing Xi station, if you are travelling to the south, the Telecom hotel is on the other side of the highway at the end of the footbridge. The new railway hotel is on the right hand side of the main road going north from the front of the station, about 200 yards away. Rooms here as low as 200 yuan, but you'll probably have to pay more as demand is high. QJs - In terms of travelling time Pingdingshan and Jingpeng are about the same from BJ. --- Mike wrote: > Hi all, > > I am going to Beijing in a about a week and I > have a few questions > I would like to ask. First is about the NG limestone > railway, it is > still in operation? And how would one get there from > Beijing? Is it > very far? > > Next, can one of you experienced travelers > recommend an > inexpensive hotel in Beijing? I do not need a fancy > place but I will > be staying there with my wife. > > Finally, how far away are the nearest active > QJ's? Is there any > other steam action near Beijing? > > Thanks in advance...I will tell you all about > the journey upon my > return. I will also be shooting many slides and > video. > > Thanks again.........Mike > > P.S. I already know of the museum there. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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It is not expensive and has good services, including internet. Leo in the internet office can be a great help for almost anything. You can find directions to the NG limestone railway in any of the trip report sites. Mike LaPlante Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2540-1078334868-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 19:23:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i23INfJb003393 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:23:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i23HRtt16857 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:27:55 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2540-1078334868-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 17:27:49 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74303 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 17:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 17:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta08-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 17:27:47 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.173]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040303172605.FJOR21785.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:26:05 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00c901c400af$7f3800f0$da1a90d4@farrail> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.48 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:26:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Some Questions about Names of Locomotives. Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 506 The first QJ were produced as class HePing or HP (Peace). This included the original prototypes built in 1956-1960 and the production models built at Datong from 1964 onwards with a modified design of boiler and firebox. For a short period through the Cultural Revolution, the class name was changed to FanDi (Anti Imperialist), then reverted to HP until 1971 when it was changed to the more familiar Qian Jin or QJ (Progress or Advancement). The HP was designed with Russian assistance. The design is closely based on the final Soviet freight loco, the LV class 2-10-2 and the similar OR21. The OR21 was a prototype improved and enlarged LV with a 21 tonne axleload, which was never put into production due to the USSR's decision to cease steam production in 1956. There seems to have been some confusion over the years about the relationship between the Soviet FD (Felix Dzerzhinsky) 2-10-2s imported to China in 1958-1961and the QJ. The naming of the QJ as FanDi during the Cultural revolution may have something to do with this. The imported Soviet FDs were known as FanXiu or FX (Anti Revisionist) during this period. The fact is that they are quite different designs with little in common apart from the wheel arrangement. The QJ, OR21 and LV were all developments of the post war Soviet L class 2-10-0, not the earlier FD class 2-10-2. The L was effectively a new design and was said to be inspired in part by the Russians' experience with captured German class 42 Kriegsloks which were capable of hauling heavy trains on lightly laid or war damaged lines which could not take the weight of an FD. Hope this is useful, Duncan Sources: Russian Steam Locomotives by H M LeFleming and J H Price, Soviet Locomotive Types by A J Heywood and I D C Button, Locomotives in China by Peter Clark, A Picture Album of Steam Locomotives in China published by China railway Publishing House. On Tuesday, Mar 2, 2004, at 22:51 Europe/London, Bernd Seiler wrote: > Hello! > > HP was not the former name of the QJ, it was the first trial of the > Chinese to produce a modern locomotive for heavy freights. Because of > serious boiler problems the HP was never produced in a large number, > instead the Chinese bought the FD20/21 from the Russians second hand > to get a heavy freight loco. From the Russian FD20/21 they learned a > lot and continued to improve the HP. The new design became the name > QJ, a progress in the design of boilers (whit details which were > common in the US, France and Russia 30 years ago already ...) > > Bernd > > > > Bernd Seiler > FarRail Tours > www.farrail.com > mail@farrail.com > Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 > +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2541-1078337851-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 19:56:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i23IuLA0007097 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:56:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i23IKCt25788 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:20:12 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2541-1078337851-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 18:17:31 -0000 X-Sender: johnmday@telus.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39908 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 18:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 18:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2004 18:16:51 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "John Day" X-Originating-IP: 154.5.167.28 X-Yahoo-Profile: trolleyjolly MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:16:51 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: some questions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 507 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote: > Hi all, > > I am going to Beijing in a about a week and I have a few questions > I would like to ask. First is about the NG limestone railway, it is > still in operation? And how would one get there from Beijing? Is it > very far? > > Next, can one of you experienced travelers recommend an > inexpensive hotel in Beijing? I do not need a fancy place but I will > be staying there with my wife. > > Finally, how far away are the nearest active QJ's? Is there any > other steam action near Beijing? > > Thanks in advance...I will tell you all about the journey upon my > return. I will also be shooting many slides and video. > > Thanks again.........Mike At the risk of being chastised for being off-topic, I just stayed at Days Inn Tianrui Beijing, No. 15 Bai Shu Hutong, Dong Cheng, Beijing 100006, 861-0652-66-699 at a cost of 300 RMB a night for a very nice room (your wife will like it). It is a very short walk to Wangfujing shopping street and about 700 meters to the subway station of the same name. English speaking staff, very clean, lovely shower, plenty of hot water, everything works (don't underestimate the value of that in China) and an ultra-quiet location down a hutong. I used the room as a day room prior to my flight back; it cost 18 RMB by taxi from Beijing Nan station and my rate was reduced to 200 RMB as I checked out in the afternoon, rather than staying overnight. The restaurant was under renovation when I was there but there's plenty of eateries for all tastes and budgets near by. You have to ask the doorman to find you a taxi to the airport as they don't cruise down the hutong but I only had to wait a couple of minutes There is a model train counter in the New China Children toy shop (or similar words) in Wangfujing which is almost as good as the Lufthansa Center: both had QJ and SY models in stock on Feb 25. Other counters in the store have good stocks of the Tomy trains from Japan if you're interested in toys for the kiddies. My quick swing through the north ended last Wednesday and was characterized by disappointingly warm weather in Beijing (9 C or more), at Zhungeer (no snow or frost) and at Jingpeng (a sudden thaw saw all the ice and snow from Jingpeng town disappear overnight) though we had -12C and wind at the summit the same day. The pattern of steam operation at Zhungeer is very unpredictable: two out of three days found trains almost every hour in one direction or other (or both) through the unwired section; the third day found all locos on shed in the morning and not going anywhere in a hurry. You have to at least pass by the shed before heading out to be assured of not standing around all day with nothing to do. I was accosted by an employee who led me inside the shed and indicated that I should take photos, but then asked for money. It took me some time to figure out that he wanted foreign coins, not RMB. Similarly the railway employees at Shangdian station were pleased to get some foreign coins and happily posed their children or grandchildren for a couple of delightful snaps on the platform. (Hopefully at least some of that is on-topic) :) John Day ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2545-1078400338-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 12:38:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i24Bcr5N024596 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:38:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i24Bd6B21817 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:39:07 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2545-1078400338-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 11:38:59 -0000 X-Sender: davidk@brocross.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93634 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 11:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 11:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dolphin.esosoft.net) (66.113.66.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 11:38:56 -0000 Received: from host81-128-83-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.128.83.162] helo=Uncle-Staveley) by dolphin.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AyrAq-000AHV-Ew for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 03:37:56 -0800 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <40471510.14809.1AC545@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <40470DB5.23E18FF8@qj-country.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.113.66.14 From: "David Kitching" X-Yahoo-Profile: davidkbrocross MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:37:52 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam locations from IRS/LCGB visit Oct/Nov 2003 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i24Bcr5N024596 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 509 On 4 Mar 2004 at 12:06, Florian Menius wrote: > Dear David, > > I am very interessted in receiving further details about the IRS trip > (and probably the majority of other group members, too)! Loco lists, > operation descriptions (maybe even some sketch maps) would be great! > Especially about the systems which are either new to me (or are visited > seldomly): > > > * Zouxian Mining Railway Extensive railway serving a number of deep mines. Route length at least 10km and probably a lot more. QJ 3538, 3595, 6284, 6782 (OOU), 6811, 6812, 6814, 6848, 6865, 6866, 6933, 7123 (OOU), 7126, 7188, 7189, 7190, 7191 > > * China Aluminium Co Ltd, Henan Branch, Shangjie. SY 0203, 0260, 0161, 0838, 1168, 1229, 1406, 1674, 1693, 1694 > > * Zhengzhou Coal Mines, Lijiazhou 4 x QJ QJ 2315, 2440, 3494, 3495 > > * Zhongzhou Aluminium Works, Jiaozuo. QJ 2028, 2112 (OOU), 2154, 2245 > > * Yima Opencast Coal Mine. JS 5937, 6061, 6215, 8087, 8092, 8275, 8276 SY 1419, 1435 Coal is brought out of the pit by lorry. Railway used for removal of overburden and dumping in worked out areas. > > * Yima Coal Corporation, Xinan Colliery. Railway leaves the main line from Luoyang to Yima at Miawtou and runs for 18km to the colliery at Xinan. The road follows the railway and the group saw viaducts and tunnels. QJ 2858, 2878, 3318, 7204 > > * Luohe Local Railway 8 x QJ. No SY remain here. Runs for freight only from Luohe to Wuyang and to Fuyang via Zhoukou. The depot is at Zhoukou. QJ 6548, 6624, 6901, 7000, 7006, 7011, 7091, 7161 (stationary boiler). > > * Tangyin QJ 6591 was all that was seen from the passing train at Tangyin (south of the station) whilst the group was travelling from Luohe to Handan. > A disappointment was the Xihe Coal Mine. The metre gauge line that had been working in 2000 had closed. All track removed apart from at level crossing. All locos scraped, loco shed demolished, only remains one firebox and a headlamp on top of a building. Formerly there were 10 OK 0-10-0 here. I also omitted that on the train from Zibo to Yanzhou they passed the Jinan steelworks where they saw SY in steam. Cheers, -- David Kitching http://www.brocross.com fearrmeox adla brgen Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2544-1078398490-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 14:33:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i24DWjp3014049 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:33:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i24B8Ht16895 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:08:17 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2544-1078398490-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 11:08:10 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96400 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 11:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 11:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 11:08:07 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ayqhx-0007NL-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:08:05 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AyqgS-00075n-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:06:32 +0100 Message-ID: <40470DB5.23E18FF8@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <4046FBB2.32613.490EC2@localhost> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.186 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:06:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam locations from IRS/LCGB visit Oct/Nov 2003 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 510 Dear David, I am very interessted in receiving further details about the IRS trip (and probably the majority of other group members, too)! Loco lists, operation descriptions (maybe even some sketch maps) would be great! Especially about the systems which are either new to me (or are visited seldomly): > * Zouxian Mining Railway > * China Aluminium Co Ltd, Henan Branch, Shangjie. > * Zhengzhou Coal Mines, Lijiazhou 4 x QJ > * Zhongzhou Aluminium Works, Jiaozuo. > * Yima Opencast Coal Mine. > * Yima Coal Corporation, Xinan Colliery. > * Luohe Local Railway 8 x QJ. No SY remain here. > * Tangyin Thank you for sending your interessting update! Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2543-1078393794-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 14:33:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i24DXMZ5014242 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:33:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i249o0t28159 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:50:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2543-1078393794-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 09:49:54 -0000 X-Sender: davidk@brocross.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16964 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 09:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 09:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dolphin.esosoft.net) (66.113.66.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 09:49:53 -0000 Received: from host81-128-124-177.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.128.124.177] helo=Uncle-Staveley) by dolphin.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AypU5-000H92-Ty for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:49:42 -0800 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4046FBB2.32613.490EC2@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.113.66.14 From: "David Kitching" X-Yahoo-Profile: davidkbrocross MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:49:38 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam locations from IRS/LCGB visit Oct/Nov 2003 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i24DXMZ5014242 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 511 I have just received a report of the Industrial Railway Society/ Locomotive Club of Great Britain visit to industrial steam sites 26-10-03 to 7-11-03. Some of the sites visited me be of interest to this list. Zibo aluminium plant 3 x SY. There were major problems over photography here and the authorities arrested the local guide. Liquan Limestone Works, Hongshan JS 6475 stored in case of resumption of rail traffic Zouxian Mining Railway 17 x QJ. No SY remaining here now. China Aluminium Co Ltd, Henan Branch, Shangjie. 10 x SY of which 7 were at work on the 18km line to the Bauxite quarries. Xingyang Brickworks (762mm gauge) 3 x 0-8-0, 1 working. More problems over photography here. Zhengzhou Coal Mines, Lijiazhou 4 x QJ China Rail, Zhengzhou Locomotive Works. JS 6489 and JS 8076 on site. For sale to industry? Workshop under demolition as industrial steam repairs have ceased here. Zhongzhou Aluminium Works, Jiaozuo. 4 x QJ. Passenger services here too, although it was not clear whether these were steam hauled. 2 diesels already in use here and 2 more expected in 2004 which will see the end of steam. Zhongyuan Special Steel Plant 2 x QJ 2 x SY Jiyuan Local Railway. (762mm) Completely closed but 2 x 0-8-0 locked in shed at Jiyuan Luoyang Fire Reistant Materials Factory. SY 1682 sheeted over Yima Opencast Coal Mine. 7 x JS 2 x SY all other locos previously reported from here have gone. Yima Coal Corporation, Xinan Colliery. 4 x QJ. 18km of very scenic railway from main line to colliery. Guan Lin Steel Works, Luoyang 4 x SY Luoyang Tractor Factory. 4 x SY Pingdingshan Coal Railway. Saw 13 x JS, 5 x QJ and 4 x SY Luohe Local Railway 8 x QJ. No SY remain here. At Tangin QJ 6591 was seen on a train. Believed to belong to the Tang-Pu local railway Handan Iron and Steel Works 14 x SY. The group also say YJ 311 reduced to scrap whilst they were there. Xingtai Iron & Steel Corporation 6 x SY. Steam due to finish December 2003 Wangdu Local Railway (762mm) 36km line closed completely Feb 2003. Charter special managed about 3km from Tangxian before the state of the track caused termination. In steam(ish) on this was 0-8-0 066 (Shijiazhuang 15/1985). 0-8-0 005 (Shijiazhuang 01/1960) and 2816 (Chrzanow 3845/1959) were also present. Xuanhua Iron & Steel Works. 14 x SY in use and YJ 0269 out of use. Hope this is of interest. If anyone wants numbers for the locos at any of these locations please let me know. Cheers, -- David Kitching http://www.brocross.com fearrmeox adla brgen Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2546-1078400397-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 14:33:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i24DXMZ1014242 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:33:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i24Be3t24546 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:40:03 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2546-1078400397-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 11:39:57 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24949 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 11:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 11:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr4.hinet.net) (168.95.4.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 11:39:55 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-98-209.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.226.98.209]) by msr4.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10809 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:37:58 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <002401c401de$63312870$d162e23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: <4046FBB2.32613.490EC2@localhost> <40470DB5.23E18FF8@qj-country.de> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.104 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:46:43 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam locations from IRS/LCGB visit Oct/Nov 2003 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 512 Folks, There are some interesting ones in this list. Two I spotted immediately: 1. Zouxian Coal Mine Railway is the much discussed Yanzhou system as far as I know. 17 QJ reported here - messages on this site have been saying that it is has been diesel for at least the past 5 or 6 months while more recently there have been messages saying that there are still some QJs here. What is the actual situation I wonder? (There has been a press report somewhere recently saying that the Yanzhou Coal Mine system has received at least one DF4DD - the GM/GE look-a-like heavy shunter). Last month while on my way to Xuzhou I saw a QJ in steam at Yanzhou CNR depot opposite the station - a loco from the coal mine system? 2. Guan Lin Steel Works, Luoyang 4 x SY. The steelworks at Luoyang has been reported in some enthusiast media in the last year as having been closed! Presumably this may have been wrong information passed on by a guide or by someone who did not know where it was or who did not want to go there. David, I for one would very much like to receive any loco numbers you have please. It was very good of you to pass this info on. Cheers, Bruce Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam locations from IRS/LCGB visit Oct/Nov 2003 > Dear David, > > I am very interessted in receiving further details about the IRS trip > (and probably the majority of other group members, too)! Loco lists, > operation descriptions (maybe even some sketch maps) would be great! > Especially about the systems which are either new to me (or are visited > seldomly): > > > * Zouxian Mining Railway > > * China Aluminium Co Ltd, Henan Branch, Shangjie. > > * Zhengzhou Coal Mines, Lijiazhou 4 x QJ > > * Zhongzhou Aluminium Works, Jiaozuo. > > * Yima Opencast Coal Mine. > > * Yima Coal Corporation, Xinan Colliery. > > * Luohe Local Railway 8 x QJ. No SY remain here. > > * Tangyin > > Thank you for sending your interessting update! > > Florian Menius > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2547-1078402419-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 14:33:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i24DXMZV014242 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:33:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i24CDkt32236 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:13:46 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2547-1078402419-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 12:13:40 -0000 X-Sender: davidk@brocross.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29534 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 12:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 12:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dolphin.esosoft.net) (66.113.66.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 12:13:38 -0000 Received: from host81-128-83-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.128.83.162] helo=Uncle-Staveley) by dolphin.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AyriB-000GO1-B3 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 04:12:23 -0800 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <40471D24.5842.3A5181@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002401c401de$63312870$d162e23d@TRAVELMATE> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.113.66.14 From: "David Kitching" X-Yahoo-Profile: davidkbrocross MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:12:20 -0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam locations from IRS/LCGB visit Oct/Nov 2003 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i24DXMZV014242 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 513 On 4 Mar 2004 at 19:46, BruceEvans wrote: > Folks, > > There are some interesting ones in this list. Two I spotted immediately: > > 1. Zouxian Coal Mine Railway is the much discussed Yanzhou system as far as > I know. 17 QJ reported here - messages on this site have been saying that it > is has been diesel for at least the past 5 or 6 months while more recently > there have been messages saying that there are still some QJs here. What is > the actual situation I wonder? (There has been a press report somewhere > recently saying that the Yanzhou Coal Mine system has received at least one > DF4DD - the GM/GE look-a-like heavy shunter). Last month while on my way to > Xuzhou I saw a QJ in steam at Yanzhou CNR depot opposite the station - a > loco from the coal mine system? The visit was on 28-10-03. In addition to the 17QJ there were 5 DF4DD in use. Nos 0031, 1020, 1021,1022,1023, and a DF5 No.1075 > 2. Guan Lin Steel Works, Luoyang 4 x SY. The steelworks at Luoyang has been > reported in some enthusiast media in the last year as having been closed! > Presumably this may have been wrong information passed on by a guide or by > someone who did not know where it was or who did not want to go there. Vist here was 1-11-03. SY 1316 and 2014 were working. SY 1339 was present and the fourth (not seen) was confirmed as 0866 by two of the drivers there. > David, > > I for one would very much like to receive any loco numbers you have please. > It was very good of you to pass this info on. Other numbers not listed in my response to Florian. Zibo Aluminium Plant. SY 0755, 1345, 1508. Also 2 DF5D Nos 0010, 0011 Zhongyuan Special Steel Plant QJ 1419, 1436 SY 0372, 0636 The shed is at Jiyuan and the works is at Zhongyuan. Scenic line in hilly country. There were 2 more QJ tenders at the shed, one had the number 2130. Luoyang Tractor Factory SY 0742, 0847, 1292, 1352. (examination of SY0742 revealed that it was actually most likely to be SY0067 of 6/1967. This number was found under the painted number on the smokebox and also stamped on the air reservoir. The loco had plates dated 6/1967 LHS and 8/1974 RHS.) Handan Iron and Steel Works SY 0119 awaiting scrap, 0293 stationary boiler, 0557,0702, 800, 1081,1139, 1154, 1208, 1393, 1535, 1658, 2007, 2009. All working apart from 1658 under repair at shed. Xingtai Iron & Steel Corporation Ltd SY 0011, 0736, 1265, 1349, 1641, 3009. Only 1349 was working. 0011 and 3009 reported as 'preserved' rest OOU. SY1436 reported scrapped. Xuanhua Iron and Steel Works SY 0299, 0323,0552, 0559, 0782, 0921, 1104, 1113, 1177, 1219, 1342, 1462, 1528, 1541, YJ 0269 OOU Cheers, -- David Kitching http://www.brocross.com fearrmeox adla brgen ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2548-1078407028-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 16:47:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i24FleiL003499 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:47:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i24DUYt19325 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:30:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2548-1078407028-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 13:30:28 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29981 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 13:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 13:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 13:30:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 13:29:43 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 62.216.15.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:29:41 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 ? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 514 Dear Maciej, some other Transsib suggestions. You can take three different routes into China: 1. the TransMongolian via Ulan Bataar. If you take this route, you can get off the train at Jining Nan and take a steam train or an express diesel to the Jingpeng Pass. 2. the TransManchurian goes, as mentioned previously, through Manzhouli, where you are near Jalainur pit. 3. the TransSiberian goes to Vladivostok. If you get off in Khabarovsk, you can take a hydrofoil across the river into China. The advantage of this route is that the train is less frequented by tourists than the two trains going into China, so that tickets are easier to get & probably (locally) cheaper. If you take this route, you are very near Hegang with SY on a mine railway (including passenger) ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2549-1078432462-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 21:43:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i24Khn95002874 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:43:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i24KYSt08865 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:34:29 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2549-1078432462-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 20:34:23 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95251 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 20:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 20:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 20:34:19 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.173]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040304203339.HLFC14417.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:33:39 +0000 To: Steam_In_China ~ Message-Id: <4D690BEA-6E1B-11D8-A3D7-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.42 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:34:14 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] February Trip Report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 515 My February trip report is now available at http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts/reports/cn-2004-02.htm We visited Tongchuan, Pingdingshan, Nanpiao, Huludao, Tiefa, and the museums at Beijing and Shenyang. Photos and maps will be added over the next few days. Enjoy, Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2552-1078474064-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 5 10:27:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i259RZCk023643 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:27:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2587ot15544 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:07:51 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2552-1078474064-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2004 08:07:44 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8578 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2004 08:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2004 08:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2004 08:07:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2004 08:07:39 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 62.216.15.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 08:07:38 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 518 Hello Maciej, there is also the ''localk'' connection from Vladivostok; or the alternative I mentioned by hydrofoil across the Amur river. Buying tickets on the JiTong railway is no problem at all. Apart from special holidays the trains are not overcrowded. Just get to the railway station half an hour before train departure and you will easily get a ticket and a seat. The steam train, though with modern coaches, does not have airconditioning so it is possible to open the windows without any special tools. ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2553-1078494998-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 5 15:12:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i25EBpV7010240 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:12:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i25Duit03764 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:56:45 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2553-1078494998-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2004 13:56:39 -0000 X-Sender: charles.towler@thetube.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86644 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2004 13:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2004 13:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2004 13:56:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2004 13:56:30 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Charles Towler" X-Originating-IP: 212.133.22.66 X-Yahoo-Profile: charlestowler MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 13:56:28 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 519 Hello There is a train, or more accurately a through carriage (weekly I think) from Vladivostok to Mudanjiang and Harbin via Ussirisk and Suifenhe. I took the train on a Monday in April 2002, after the Moscow to Vladivostok train missed the ferry to Japan. It is a fairly slow trip, leaving in the evening as Train 6659. Spending much of the night in a siding at Ussirisk it then trundles up to the border at Grodekovo and you wait about 4-5 hours in the customs hall, before getting back on the train (which has had the bogie swap from the Russian to Standard Gauge in the mean time). I was the only passenger to this point, but many more travel up by road from Vladivostok as you can leave the morning after the train does and easily catch it at Grodekovo! The train then winds up (along 'interlaced track') to Suifenhe across the border. Here is another break and time enough to buy dinner near the station at Suifenhe. Finally the coach is attached to a Suifenhe to Harbin overnight train (K608). The train was hauled by a double unit VL80T electric to Ussirisk, shunted here by two different TEM2 diesels, before being taken to the border by one half of a 2TE10V double unit diesel to Grodekovo. From there a DF4B took it to Suifenhe and another onto Mudanjiang (where I got off to go to Hegang). I seem to remember the cost being about US$40. I can't promise it still runs as described as I don't have the latest timetable. I recommend the 'Trans Siberian' as a way to get to China. I have taken it both to and from Jining for Jingpeng. The sleeping car attendants weren't too happy about my getting on here to go to Moscow - as my ticket was from Beijing, but I managed it! The CNR ticket office at Jining Nan sold me a hard sleeper for the trip to Tongliao without problems (about $15 for the whole line in 2002). Booking at Tongliao was also OK. It is a good idea to write down the date, train number and destination an intended class - YW for hard sleeper when buying rail tickets in China. It is generally much easier and quicker now that their ticket system is computerised. I met and chatted to a CNR 'graduate trainee' who explained that it was intended to introduce more 'through' ticketing, rather than usually being forced to rebook when changing trains. I don't know if this has happened yet though. Still 930kms steam hauled in 2004 - a trip on the Jining to Tongliao passenger train is a must. I urge all you going back for your second or third trip freezing at the line side for photographs not to miss out on it. Forget the bus from Chifeng to get to Daban. Instead take just an extra night or so and get the train from Beijing to Tongliao, pick up the Jitong Steam train to Daban or Galadestai, then on your way back complete the circle via Jining! The hard sleeper car is fine and in my experience the restaurant car on this train has been good and the beer cheap. Many windows will open with the triangle key (useful in Russia and China), but in the winter you won't be popular. The best windows are in the wash area at the car ends as they keep the drafts away from your fellow passengers. Some saloon windows seem to have additional securing in winter and the sand can cause them to get stuck. When I last travelled the hard sleeper was the second car from the eastern end of the train - near the front towards Tongliao and towards the rear towards Jining. How about this to get to China by rail from Europe? To Moscow then Almaty, Urumqi and Lanzhou to Jining or Beijing. I did this soon after the rout opened in 1992, sadly 6 months after the end at Tianshu, but in time for Train 44 steam hauled much of the way from Zhongwei to Hohhot. I hope this is helpful Charles Towler --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Maciej Czapkiewicz wrote: > > Thank You everybody for the kind remarks! > One question: what about buying tickets for steam trains passing > inner-Mongolia line? (I mean queues/booking problems etc). > Is it possible to open window in such train (with triangle key) > or windows are fixed? > One more little O.T. question: is there regular passenger service between > Vladivostok region and China? > Or there is only 2 posibilites of railway links (Mongolia or Zabajkals) ? > > Regards, > Mc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2554-1078548568-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 6 06:00:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2650KGG005576 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 06:00:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i264oYt05567 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:50:35 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2554-1078548568-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 04:50:27 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91467 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 04:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 04:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 04:49:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 1974 invoked by uid 65534); 6 Mar 2004 04:49:25 -0000 Received: from brln-d51487fc.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO pz) (213.20.135.252) by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 06 Mar 2004 05:49:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4046E818.23812.AA092D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1078233258.166.51891.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:26:00 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam at JiTong Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 520 Hello, in addition to the well known new rumours about the end of steam I want to add another one: during my recent trip to the JiTong line, our guide received a call from the "famous" Mr. He, who told us that he joined a meeting at the ministry of railways in Beijing a few days ago and the decision was made to dieselize all sections east of Daban by 1.4.2004! I don't know whether this is a realistic target, giving the number of additional diesel locomotives needed and the difficulties they had to phase out steam on the Zhelimu-Chabuga section. Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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We got this date brandnew as we were in the shed the same day. It seems my report is not known to the commnity. So I'll add this here (normally you can see these reports on my site). Wish all of you a nice weekend Bernd Trip Report China Winter 2004 Dahuichang As good as ever. An afternoon shift produced nine return trips until 17.00 hrs (new shift starts). No plans for stopping the service yet. Zhungeer The line is still worth a visit. Thanks to Roland Olsen, we went to Fuxingcheng. Three kilometres to the south and two kilometres to the north are unspoilt by poles and therefore still excellent for photography. Additionally, there are about two kilometres on the first gradient against empty trains, beyond Xejiawanfangmie, without poles. All bridges are still without poles. If you can, go there as soon as possible. The poles for the bridges are still stored in the loco shed and will be installed when the temperatures allow. They are planning to introduce electric locos "before next winter". We couldn't find a person who could give us a more exact date. The detailed maps of how to find to Fuxingcheng are on the internet already. For details please check http://www.qj-country.de/. To reach the first two kilometres beyond Xejiawanfangmie (the station where the loco shed is) you should hire a minibus or a 4WD. The roads for the line construction alongside the line are still passable for such vehicles although a lack of maintenance makes it really difficult to traverse these unpaved roads after rainfall or snow. The locos are in a bad external condition. Some of the locos seem to be in a bad mechanical condition as well. During a footplate ride, while passing through the first summit tunnel, boiler pressure of the two locos dropped below 9 atmospheres. However, it is still a very impressive experience to witness these locos working this extraordinary line. Zhalai Nur The trip to the open cast mine was excellent, as always. There are no changes to report since my January 2003 visit. Passenger service remains unchanged too. On the public holidays we found 12 active SY and, on the following workday, 17. The dumped locos near the southern shed have disappeared. Also, the JF's were no longer present. We had no time to ask management representatives about the future of steam. No sign of dieselisation or electrification. Dayan Coal Mine They had promised us to turn the locomotives so they would go chimney first up the gradients. However, the turntable has been out of use for at least the last six weeks (covered with layers of snow). Additionally, the practice of turning of the locos every month ceased during last year. Locos now run in "tender-first only" mode for "security reasons". We were told it would be too dangerous to operate locos chimney first up the gradient because they fear a lack of water in the firebox. Either I missed something or the construction of the SY-boiler is wrong . (it isn't) The map of this system was already published in my January 2003 report. Meihekou Coal Mine Railway As Florian has said, this mine system is well worth a visit. Although on quiet days there are few coal trains (and some of them very short) you can at least take shots of the passenger trains. We found that there is a dump near the mine Sanjing which is also served by trains from the other mines. And, Wujing mine is still served by trains (previously unreported). The landscape may be uninspiring for some visitors. However, we found several nice positions on the (minor) gradients between Zhonghe and Sanjing. Zhonghe serves as a halt for passenger trains too. There is no station building, trains stop at the level crossing. Just beyond this level crossing there is a Christian church. The mines themselves are small and the track layouts very basic. But the innovative flair at the mines (including the electrified 600mm narrow gauge systems) are well worth experiencing (if only to see a miner surfing on the roof of a small electric loco whilst holding a makeshift pantograph to the live wire). JiTong Railway On Monday, January 17th, the management held a meeting about the future of steam. As we were in Daban loco shed on this date we got information first hand. Good news first. The decision has been made not to purchase any new diesels in 2004. The plan to dieselise the Chabuga - Zhelinmu (Tongliao) section on 20th January has proved unrealistic. Problems experienced with the limited number of hired DF4B from China Railway has necessitated a new conversion date of April 1st (this is not an April joke!). From April 1st, no steam locomotive should see use over this section anymore, including the passenger trains. The last steam duty will be the passenger train. When we visited the section, observed traffic was 70 percent steam, including both pairs of passengers, and 30 percent diesel. The next candidate for complete dieselisation is the Baiqi - Benhong (Jining Nan) section. The loco shed Baiqi still hosts 28 QJ, six of which are used on the section to Benhong beside the diesels (DF4D). Additionally, two engines are used on the passenger trains over the section. At the meeting it was said that the JiTong Railway is going to purchase some second hand diesels to replace these eight engines in 2004. Baiqi depot will still remain a steam location after the "new" diesels have arrived for use on the Baiqi - Haoluku section. Surplus steam locos at Baiqi will be forwarded to Daban depot to replace some older QJs there. So there is still steam in use around Baiqi. All the diesels which were spotted and reported during recent months were sent to other railways beyond Jining Nan. We telephoned Baiqi's shedmaster and asked him when he expected the last steam locos to be replaced by diesels. He is answer was "before 2010"! Yes, if you follow past experience you may understand why he cannot give a more exact statement. The use of diesels on the section Chabuga - Daban - Haoluku - Baiqi was also discussed at the meeting. It was said that the use of steam will definitely continue for at least one more year. After that, step by step dieselisation will start. They plan to use diesel engines alongside steam from Spring 2005. The end of steam is not expected before end of 2005/beginning of 2006. The last steam section will probably be Daban - Haoluku. Although this is really good news for the steam enthusiast you should consider that these decisions can be changed without any prior notice. If Beijing or Huhehaote (Hohhot) ban steam for prestigious reasons, everything could change within just a few weeks. Henceforth, heavy overhauls will be undertaken at the China Railway owned workshop in Jilin. Traffic levels varied widely during our visit, from ten uphill trains from west to east within the daylight hours (yes, no mistake TEN trains!) to three from east to west only (plus five in the opposite direction). On the day with ten trains, there were three eastbound trains which arrived at Jingpeng behind a single engine. The preceding eastbound train (powered by two engines) dropped the train engine in Shangdian and send it back to Jingpeng. There it was attached to the single-headed eastbound train so that it could run double-headed over the pass. This pair ran right through to Daban; the first train arriving at Daban behind a single engine, of course. On this day the line worked near its capacity. In the loco depot of Daban nearly half of the employees turn to vendors of railway property when spotting foreign railway enthusiasts. Some of them get really aggressive now and try to prevent you from taking pictures until you have made a purchase: stolen plates from freight wagons, railway uniform items, or faked loco builders' plates. This is an unpleasant development which has resulted from the behaviour of many visitors. It would be nice if you could resist all the offers of stolen and fake pieces. If you like to purchase memorabilia, this can be done officially (and no more expensive). In the (brand new) office building you can ask for the secretary of the communist party who will sell you such stuff legally. The entrance fee is 200 Yuan. This money will be used for a social fund (with the help of this money they plant trees for example). According to the prices in China I find this entrance fee too high (I took a single shot for these 200 Yuan), however once you're there you should spend this money. There is no second place in the world where you can see so many (impressive) steam locos under steam. We found some 20 engines in steam plus several cold and dumped QJs. Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Patt To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:26 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam at JiTong Hello, in addition to the well known new rumours about the end of steam I want to add another one: during my recent trip to the JiTong line, our guide received a call from the "famous" Mr. He, who told us that he joined a meeting at the ministry of railways in Beijing a few days ago and the decision was made to dieselize all sections east of Daban by 1.4.2004! I don't know whether this is a realistic target, giving the number of additional diesel locomotives needed and the difficulties they had to phase out steam on the Zhelimu-Chabuga section. Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Although we made no secret of our presence, setting off large amounts of flash at night (after telling crews of course) and conversing with policemen on the platform at Diaobingshan, we were not assessed a photo fee. We did not see any diesels while we were here. I can recommend the Yu He Zi Ran Guang Cheng for accomodations. This bathhouse has only single rooms for Y100 and up, but it is a wonder. The staff fall all over themselves to make you feel great. One hour foot massage Y40, whole body Y80, cheap at twice the price. 44 C degree hot pool, steam room, all the amenities. You won't want to leave, plan enough time there ! The best I've seen in China, even better than Handan which was the Gold Standard until here. Looking out from the station at Diaobingshan, it is about 100m to the left, and across the street, behind the big sign with the cow falling apart into steaks. The word for wash is "xizao", massage is "anmo". Also can recommend the Ming Da restaurant a few doors up, so popular we had a 40 minute wait to have dinner. I will stop recommending these bathhouses if people want me to. But if you have been out all day in the cold gricing on a windswept hillside, they do a body good. _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2559-1078603714-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 6 21:19:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i26KJS4v003396 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:19:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i26K8et19752 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:08:40 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2559-1078603714-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 20:08:34 -0000 X-Sender: jbwest@att.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36152 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 20:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 20:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 20:08:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 20:08:31 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "John West" X-Originating-IP: 12.72.137.18 X-Yahoo-Profile: jbardinwest MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:08:30 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] End of steam on the Jitong Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 525 What seems clear from both Bernd and Peter's messages is that planning to end steam has started. Whatever the plan is, it is unlikely that it will actually happen as planned, just like dieselization from Chabuga to Zhelimu did't work as originally planned. It could move more quickly or more slowly, with little or no warning. The only good news is perhaps it is more likely to move more slowly than more quickly. I would guess that money, crew training and creating a diesel maintenance capability are the critical path items, not diesel availability. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2565-1078685582-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 7 20:22:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i27JMU51004099 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:22:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i27Ir8t05513 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:53:08 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2565-1078685582-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 18:53:02 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50556 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 18:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 18:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep02-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.130) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.13]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20040307185259.NYOB3741.fep02-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:52:59 +0100 Organization: STC To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20040307185259.NYOB3741.fep02-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 130.244.199.130 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [159.195.11.103] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:52:59 +0100 Subject: Sv: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam at JiTong Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 531 Mail from HeLiWen of Daban yesterday saiys the followoing> March 15 fully dieselized Chabuga to Zhelimu. In Chinese: Xia ban nian (probably in a half year?) Daban to Haoluku fully dieselized. I will phone him and check this out. Hans Schaefer > > Fra: Jim Schweitzer > Dato: 2004/03/07 Sun PM 02:34:32 CET > Til: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com > Emne: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam at JiTong > > Four trains from Daban to Reshui today. Gricer at Chabuga said > that reason diesels turn at Chabuga is no fueling facilities at > Daban. Once fualing facilities built at Daban,diesels run > through from Zhelimu to Daban. Dame Rumor, but plausible. > > Jim Schweitzer > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2566-1078694351-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 7 22:20:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i27LK7vH011416 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 22:20:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i27LJHt21730 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 22:19:17 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2566-1078694351-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 21:19:11 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77930 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 21:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 21:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 21:19:09 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.173]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040307211910.OMPS19383.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:19:10 +0000 To: Steam_In_China ~ Message-Id: <11E2A4B6-707D-11D8-81D9-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.46 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:19:08 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] February Trip Report Additions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 532 I've added Bryan Acford's latest report to my site. Bryan visited Beijing Museum and Dahuichang before joining me at Pingdingshan, then continued to Lindong and Reshui at the end of the trip. http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts/reports/bja-2004-02.htm A selection of photos from my trip have been added to the Photo Galleries section. New maps of the Tiefa and Nanpiao systems have been added to the Maps section. In view of the latest rumours, I hope steam lasts long enough for these to be useful! Regards, Duncan Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2568-1078742086-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 12:26:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i28BQZsV008427 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:26:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i28AYrt21473 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:34:53 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2568-1078742086-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 10:34:47 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44219 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 10:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 10:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 10:34:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 9073 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Mar 2004 10:34:43 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b80a69.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO pz) (217.184.10.105) by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 08 Mar 2004 11:34:43 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <404C5A44.16395.9BD48C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1077623301.245.43150.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:34:28 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: JiTong steam Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 534 Hello, I just received this mail from CITS: "Jitong will buy 10 diesels in 2004, but no plannings so far in which sections will use these 10 diesels; The training class will be started round about April!" I think it is time to explore some less known territory, therefore I am planning to return to China in May and spend some days at Tangyin-Puyang (diesel as of June) to say good-bye to the line, then move to Zhaozhuang/PeiTun, visit Ma'anshan. Long jump to Xinglongzhen and to the western sections of JiTong (Baiqi/Haolokou). It's not an official tour, just a private trip. If you are interested, send me a mail and we can discuss the itinerary. So far we are 2 travellers - max number is 6 (otherwise it's not a "private" trip anymore...) Peter Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2569-1078742088-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 12:26:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i28BQZsX008427 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:26:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i28AYut21483 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:34:56 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2569-1078742088-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 10:34:50 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52581 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 10:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 10:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 10:34:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8887 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Mar 2004 10:34:41 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b80a69.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO pz) (217.184.10.105) by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 08 Mar 2004 11:34:41 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <404C5A44.4927.9BD598@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1077623301.245.43150.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:34:28 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Qitaihe Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 535 I know, nobody is intersted in Qitaihe - nevertheless an update here, maybe it's already known: the passenger trains have been BJ hauled since December 2003, the last SY will be withdrawn in May when more diesels arrive. The last non-electrified sections to some of the loading points have been equipped with overhead wires, new power supply stations are built right now. Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2570-1078749878-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 14:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i28DlG0s029641 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:47:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i28Ciit20248 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:44:45 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2570-1078749878-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 12:44:38 -0000 X-Sender: jabschweitzer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7474 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 12:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 12:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14009.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 12:44:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040308124436.75907.qmail@web14009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.159.44.100] by web14009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 04:44:36 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <404C5A44.16395.9BD48C@localhost> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.174.38 From: Jim Schweitzer X-Yahoo-Profile: jabschweitzer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 04:44:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jing Peng Doings Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 536 Eleven trains in daylight over the pass today. All steam, all double engines. No engines in supershine condition, even though some were equipped very well. They appear to be letting things go. But eleven trains is a pretty good way to go. A member of my group got a cab ride up the hill from Jing Peng to the top (Shangdian?). He was asked $100 for the ride and argued them down to 300 yuan. Greed is not pretty. Jim Schweitzer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2571-1078752636-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 15:07:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i28E72Xe002478 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:07:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i28DUgt30610 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:30:42 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2571-1078752636-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 13:30:36 -0000 X-Sender: khojnacki@charter.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58139 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2004 13:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2004 13:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2004 13:30:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2004 13:30:27 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "ken hojnacki" X-Originating-IP: 218.65.243.205 X-Yahoo-Profile: kodtrak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:30:25 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Rail Study Tours in Hazy Hechi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 537 Yes, the haze was with us for our first day in Hechi, although the sun burned mostly thru in early afternoon. Here are the engines we saw: 8283 and 8287 cold near the turntable. 8290 and 8284 in the new shed. Early morning, 8375 was hot in front of the office. A freight pulled in around 8am with 8285. That engine cut off and the 8375 then headed light toward Hechi station and the CNR interchange. We caught the southbound mixed on the line with an engine whose number I need to clarify from my video. Then a northbound freight went thru with 8285. The afternoon mixed was pulled from the Hechi station to the shed station by 8375. 8290 then took over for the northbound run. A southbound freight was met with 8288 on the point. We departed the passenger at the junction and caught a northbound freight shortly thereafter with 8373 in good sunlight. Tomorrow we will do more chasing before heading to Sichuan. Ken Hojnacki ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2574-1078803170-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 04:44:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i293hd8O029539 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 04:44:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i293Wvt11758 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 04:32:57 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2574-1078803170-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 03:32:50 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52681 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 03:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 03:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 03:32:49 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HUAHU100.02R for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:32:25 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3b08b3682e.3682e3b08b@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 14:32:25 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam locations from IRS/LCGB visit Oct/Nov 2003 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 540 Florian here is the active list of locomotives on the Peitun system as at 22/03. SY 2024 DF4 7693; 7694 QJ 7031 - 7032 - 7075 - 7125 At the track adjacent to the office at Pei-tun depot was a huge pile of wood of various sizes, I never thought to ask what is was for, but I think it is for lighting up engines. Maybe out of the gloom of the Jingpeng news, we can only hope that the engines listed last year for workshops may now end up going. I am awaiting a list of the engines at Tenzhou, & will forward ASAP when they arrive, as I had lost my original notebook in BJ Cassie Yuan Yuan is following up the infor for me. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2575-1078840907-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 15:54:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i29Es72R012000 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:54:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i29E1st23669 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:01:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2575-1078840907-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2004 14:01:48 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1341 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2004 14:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2004 14:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-01.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2004 14:01:46 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-067-034.arcor-ip.net [145.254.67.34]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 556CCA2B575 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:01:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c405df$14655e50$2243fe91@farrail> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.41 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:01:53 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JiTong Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 541 Hello, Just I got a brand new info from JiTong: The (western) section Benhong - Baiqi was 100 % diesel on five following days February 28th - March 3rd for all freights. Only the passenger was steam Febr. 28 - March 2nd. On March 3rd even the passenger was diesel. Steam was only seen as a second engine behind a DF4 on a freight this day. Seems to change more rapidly than we thought. Best wishes, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From geczapki@cyf-kr.edu.pl Tue Mar 2 21:39:03 2004 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:39:02 +0100 (MET) From: Maciej Czapkiewicz To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 ? In-Reply-To: <200403021809.16693.hubbertweb@web.de> Message-ID: References: <24430e23f314.23f31424430e@goconnect.net> <200403021809.16693.hubbertweb@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 544 > Very certain for you to get the worlds heaviest steamworkings untill this > years end at least - Jingpeng. Yes, I heard about this. Hope that it will be steam-operated in Juny or July - my work prevents me to go in winter time. It is pity because I prefer winter - steam looks nice in cold air. And there is possibility to prevent against cold wearing clothes but not the opposite way ;-) > If you come by Transsib, you could just drop out at the border because in > Jalai Nur is the biggest open coal pit in China with dozens of SYs. Good idea, thanks for information. > On the narrow-gauge, you can find C2-class at work in Dahuichang very close to > Beijing. It is short but easy to get there and very busy. These C2 locomotives are very similar to russian Kp4, which was built also in Poland: http://www.fablok.com.pl/an/fa0545a.htm There are other polish tank engines eported to China: http://www.fablok.com.pl/an/fa0542a.htm or http://railroad.dnsalias.net/t/bahn/oth/p_ste/FERRUM9.GIF Are any survivors existing at industrial railways? > > In the archive of this site and from the links to others you will find bulk > information for you about what is left to see. Yes, it is bulk material, good lectures for long days in train passing Taiga ;-) But after short briefing I saw many information about abandoned lines, dieselification, electrifications and other pesimistic topics - this is a reeason of my question about journey in summer. Thank you for the answer, I hope that it will be not to late. Regards, Mc PS. did you know any other groups/lists generally about steam? Except alt.railroad.steam which is scrapped by spam and abandoned like this: http://www.kolej.pl/~mczapkie/Trip/Albania/Albania-6.jpg ;-) From geczapki@cyf-kr.edu.pl Thu Mar 4 22:33:53 2004 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:33:53 +0100 (MET) From: Maciej Czapkiewicz To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 545 Thank You everybody for the kind remarks! One question: what about buying tickets for steam trains passing inner-Mongolia line? (I mean queues/booking problems etc). Is it possible to open window in such train (with triangle key) or windows are fixed? One more little O.T. question: is there regular passenger service between Vladivostok region and China? Or there is only 2 posibilites of railway links (Mongolia or Zabajkals) ? Regards, Mc From sentto-4914183-2579-1078924864-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 15:19:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2AEJ1rY017392 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:19:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2ADLGt28060 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:21:16 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2579-1078924864-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 13:21:10 -0000 X-Sender: jabschweitzer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83018 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 13:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 13:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14005.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.121) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 13:21:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20040310132057.49790.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.159.44.250] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 05:20:57 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040310114908.HGEM12365.fep04-svc.swip.net@fep04-svc.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.175.121 From: Jim Schweitzer X-Yahoo-Profile: jabschweitzer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 05:20:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] JiTong report 2004.03.12 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 547 Today we photographed ten trains in daylight over JingPeng Pass while missing three more. Traffic levels are very high with eight of our ten trains going eastbound over the pass. We would chase to the top and then the next train would be leaving JingPeng when we got close. We actually made it to JingPeng station only once all day and that was for about twenty minutes. We caught 7009 at Xiakengzi westbound at about 1600. This was the first engine we have seen all week in shiny condition. It was a happy sight, but a rare one. 7014 was in excellent condition when we saw it at Daban. All others were in dirty condition. Most trains were 27 to 30 cars, but one eastbound had 45 cars and struggled up the final ascent at Shangdian. Things are very windy and dust is a major problem. There was a brief period of snow in the morning which disappeared by noon. It was pretty while it lasted. Jim Schweitzer Reshui __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2580-1078925312-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 15:19:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2AEJ1ro017392 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:19:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2ADWft30259 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:32:41 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2580-1078925312-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 13:28:32 -0000 X-Sender: adrian.freeman@onet.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43249 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 13:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 13:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail1.hotchilli.net) (217.72.162.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 13:28:30 -0000 Received: from onet.co.uk (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.hotchilli.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:33:10 +0000 Message-ID: <125050-220043310133310890@onet.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.162.16 From: "Adrian Freeman" X-Yahoo-Profile: ade_f2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:33:10 -00 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Steam at Maanshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 548 Hello, Ma'anshan sounds like an interesting place and another good discovery by Louis Cerny. Ron Olsen's recent report suggests that much of the industrial area is very modern. I am considering a visit there in a couple of months and wondering how photogenic it is. Is there much in the way of older industry/industrial/residential backdrops for photography or are the buildings predominantely new? Thanks in advance for any advice. Adrian Freeman ---- Original Message ---- From: ltcerny@erols.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Steam at Maanshan Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:48:09 -0000 > > > > >Hello all,
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2581-1078927596-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 15:21:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2AELUu4017851 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:21:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2AE6ut04385 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:06:57 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2581-1078927596-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 14:06:38 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61174 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 14:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 14:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 14:06:34 -0000 Received: from 66-44-0-25.s25.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.25] helo=S0028187519) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1B14Lx-0005ON-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:06:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c406a8$e6914910$19002c42@S0028187519> To: References: <125050-220043310133310890@onet.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.60 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:06:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam at Maanshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 549 Adrian Freeman There are plenty of classic industrial/residential backdrops and settings at Maanshan in addition to the more modern construction. In some areas the the density of trackage (sometimes on two levels) and classic industrial structures is so concentrated that the feeling is almost like being a figure on some elaborate model railway. I should mention that a slag dumping area is located on the far south end of the 9 km long industrial area. In the far north, steam can be seen switching a modern intermodal container facility. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Freeman" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Steam at Maanshan > Hello, > > Ma'anshan sounds like an interesting place and another good discovery > by Louis Cerny. Ron Olsen's recent report suggests that much of the > industrial area is very modern. I am considering a visit there in a > couple of months and wondering how photogenic it is. Is there much in > the way of older industry/industrial/residential backdrops for > photography or are the buildings predominantely new? > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > Adrian Freeman Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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This was NY7 #0018, Henschell-built in 1972 on an express passenger. This locomotive had at most 80% of it's paint, the rest rust, really shockingly bad looking. I wanted a photo but it left too quickly. There are electric catenary poles up on the western end of the Zhengzhou-Nanjing main. Just poles at the moment, and not all that many so far. I had a run-in with the police just as I was leaving Ma'anshan ("horse-saddle-mountain"). I wouldn't let it put you off going there, and the report has been slightly updated with this info. Just don't expect it to be Tiefa or Pingsdingshan, it's an industrial railway. Most factories there are new. I sent a map of Ma'anshan to Bruce Evans , and the postal worker told me it would be two weeks to Taiwan ! It would've been faster to Germany ! I'm sure he'll scan it asap, thanks for the help. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2583-1078950858-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 22:03:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2AKxWZM002333 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:03:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2AKYOt05916 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:34:25 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2583-1078950858-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 20:34:18 -0000 X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14476 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 20:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 20:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.245.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 20:34:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:34:13 -0800 Received: from 81.136.209.96 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:34:13 GMT X-Originating-Email: [awbeard@hotmail.com] X-Sender: awbeard@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Cc: steam@onetel.net.uk Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2004 20:34:13.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CDF7020:01C406DF] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.245.108 From: "alan walter beard" X-Originating-IP: [81.136.209.96] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:34:13 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Roads & Hechi & Luocheng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 551 The road is generally in very good shape, although there is still some concrete laying south of Duchuan The main problem is the relative lack of coal trains. Two mines at Pingzhai currently in a rest mode. Perhaps they are more or less worked out? Or awaiting a refit? Or new seams are in preparation? Coal currently coming to railhead by road. Maybe new mines are being commissioned elsewhere...hence upgrading of both roads and rails in the area Closure of line not a possibility I would suggest, but dieselisation is going to happen...but when? Happy travels Alan ============================================================= >From: ";-)" >Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Hechi & Luocheng >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:42:02 +0100 > >Dear Alan, > >in what shape is the road from Poluo to Pingzhai presently? >It was under heavy construction end 2002. >Is it still so or is it now completed? > >Many greetings, > >Heinrich Hubbert > > >Am Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2004 13:24 schrieb alan walter beard: > > Good evening, Bernd > > > > Business as usual in Guangxi Province > > > > JS 8374 on Sancha -- Luocheng Mixed, yesterday > > > > Dick and I currently at Pingzhai (and have not popped in to see > > Jinchengjiang Xi 'shed', on this trip) > > > > Traffic somewhat light. Just one return coal train today, for example, >in > > addition to the returned Mixed. Cloudy. But pleasing video sequences > > nonetheless > > > > Track upgrades continue. Roads much improved > > > > Best wishes > > > > Alan > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2584-1078959701-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 00:18:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2ANI5WK011856 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:18:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2AN1lt22764 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:01:47 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2584-1078959701-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2004 23:01:41 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72442 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 23:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2004 23:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 23:01:36 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.173]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040310230041.HQAO27661.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:00:41 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.45 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:01:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] BJ, Ma'anshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 552 Ron, I don't doubt what you say but I wouldn't draw the same conclusions. The NY7 is no ordinary diesel. As a 5400 HP, 138 ton diesel hydraulic, it is ideally suited to working heavy express passenger trains over the 1 in 30 grades of Nankou Pass, north west of Beijing. That's almost certainly where the one you saw was heading. NY7s can produce a very high output power combined with a very high tractive effort all within the standard 23 ton axleload. No other Chinese diesels come close in terms of suitability for these duties. Beijing appears to have kept a handful of NY7 in traffic for working these trains in spite of their age and the difficulties in keeping them going. If a DF4 could handle these workings, no doubt they would have gone over to DF4 haulage years ago. I think the fact you saw an NY7 is more to do with the fact that Nankou Pass is still as steep as it always was rather than any shortage or surplus of other diesels in Beijing Bureau. Duncan On Wednesday, Mar 10, 2004, at 14:13 Europe/London, Ronald Olsen wrote: > With regard to the latest exchange between CD Hussey and Duncan > Cotteril, > something I saw on March 6 makes me think that Beijing Bureau doesn't > have > that many spare diesels. This was > NY7 #0018, Henschell-built in 1972 on an express passenger. This > locomotive > had at most 80% of it's paint, the rest rust, really shockingly bad > looking. > I wanted a photo but it left too quickly. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2585-1078979442-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 05:44:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2B4iDX4023125 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:44:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2B4Umt07161 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:30:49 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2585-1078979442-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 04:30:43 -0000 X-Sender: mk74volts@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20224 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 04:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 04:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60410.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.193) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 04:30:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20040311043038.35903.qmail@web60410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.187.51.58] by web60410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:30:38 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1078926655.373.34427.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.118.193 From: CSX Electrician X-Yahoo-Profile: mk74volts MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:30:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Digest Number 596 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i2B4iDX4023125 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 553 Hi All, I just wanted to say a "thank you" to all who answered my questions during this past week. Tomorrow morning I leave for Beijing. I will give a feed back report upon my return home. Maybe even from a hotel computer. Thanks again...Happy rails! Mike Kubiak --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2586-1079007727-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 13:42:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2BCgLww015973 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:42:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2BCMFt26396 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:22:15 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2586-1079007727-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 12:22:09 -0000 X-Sender: jabschweitzer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13143 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 12:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 12:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14001.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 12:22:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20040311122201.46500.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.159.44.244] by web14001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 04:22:01 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040311043038.35903.qmail@web60410.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.175.92 From: Jim Schweitzer X-Yahoo-Profile: jabschweitzer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 04:22:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jing Peng report 2004.03.10 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 554 They ran the snot out of the line today. No train count for you, though. The traffic was mostly eastbound during daylight hours. At the end of the day, they were running eastbounds up the hill with two engines, cutting the first one off, then attaching it to the rear of the next westbound to get it down the hill. A member of our party who was a superintendent for an American railroad said that it looks like they are running at full capacity. I trust his professional opinion on this. It appears that they are trying to get more traffic over the line than they normally would. This is great action, but a sign that they need to invest in some solutions or traffic will sit in Tongliao or Jining because of the traffic jam. No clean engines today. Jim Schweitzer Reshui __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2587-1079012595-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 16:34:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2BFXwiS009814 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:34:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2BDjDt12687 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:45:14 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2587-1079012595-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 13:43:17 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83012 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 13:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 13:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.58) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 13:43:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:43:12 -0800 Received: from 218.28.66.39 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:43:12 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2004 13:43:12.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC4EF4A0:01C4076E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.58 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [218.28.66.39] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:43:12 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] NY7, ac diesels Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 555 I bow to your knowledge in this area. I agree, and don't in any way denigrate the NY7, obviously a capable machine if it is still in express service after 32 years. I have climbed the hills at Nankou and they are formidable. I was going to mark down the city plates on this train but it had left when I had fetched my camera, and it didn't occur to me to ask anyone there it's destination. Bruce Evans and I have had some exchanges about AC diesels, mostly American but also about AC0001 which Mike LaPlante and I saw new at ErQi Works last year, and a DF4 in red, white, and blue paint in a magazine that was converted to AC. Perhaps we may see something like this as a replacement when the NY7's are finally retired. I would be interested in anything anyone knows about these two prototypes. The DF4 photo that I saw was over two years ago. >I don't doubt what you say but I wouldn't draw the same conclusions. > >The NY7 is no ordinary diesel. As a 5400 HP, 138 ton diesel hydraulic, >it is ideally suited to working heavy express passenger trains over the >1 in 30 grades of Nankou Pass, north west of Beijing. That's almost >certainly where the one you saw was heading. NY7s can produce a very >high output power combined with a very high tractive effort all within >the standard 23 ton axleload. No other Chinese diesels come close in >terms of suitability for these duties. Beijing appears to have kept a >handful of NY7 in traffic for working these trains in spite of their >age and the difficulties in keeping them going. If a DF4 could handle >these workings, no doubt they would have gone over to DF4 haulage years >ago. > >I think the fact you saw an NY7 is more to do with the fact that Nankou >Pass is still as steep as it always was rather than any shortage or >surplus of other diesels in Beijing Bureau. > >Duncan > > >On Wednesday, Mar 10, 2004, at 14:13 Europe/London, Ronald Olsen wrote: > > > With regard to the latest exchange between CD Hussey and Duncan > > Cotteril, > > something I saw on March 6 makes me think that Beijing Bureau doesn't > > have > > that many spare diesels. This was > > NY7 #0018, Henschell-built in 1972 on an express passenger. This > > locomotive > > had at most 80% of it's paint, the rest rust, really shockingly bad > > looking. > > I wanted a photo but it left too quickly. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2589-1079045789-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 23:57:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2BMvcTh018237 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:57:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i2BMvxX13997 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:58:00 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2589-1079045789-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 22:56:30 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28633 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 22:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 22:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 22:56:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2004 22:56:24 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.2.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:56:22 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Apparent new steam line found by Japanese Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 557 Hello all, http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1078879727_2.jpg shows a good-looking QJ hauling a train. From what I can make out from the map at http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1078879727_1.jpg the line is the Yangcheng Coal and Electric Railway with the notation showing it is steam powered as of March 2004. Can someone from Japan or elsewhere give details? Thanks, Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2591-1079050796-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 01:20:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2C0KtgY022213 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:20:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i2C0LHX02359 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:21:17 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2591-1079050796-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 00:19:56 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27318 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 00:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 00:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 00:19:54 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.173]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040312001913.WKTU14417.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:19:13 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.42 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:19:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] ac diesels Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 559 Ron There's a photo of a red, white and blue, AC drive DF4D on : http://www.chinarailway.net/zgjc/nrjc/df4dj.htm The accompanying text is in Chinese. Basically it says the loco is a DF4DJ, although the photo shows it to be numbered DF4DAC8001. It appears to be a standard DF4D built by Dalian in June 2000 but fitted with two groups of Siemens IGBT inverters (Insulated Gate Bipolar Transistor, i.e. state of the art technology), a Siemens computer control system and Siemens 3 phase traction motors. There are supposedly two of these locos and the intention appears to be to compare their performance with standard DF4Ds. Duncan On Thursday, Mar 11, 2004, at 13:43 Europe/London, Ronald Olsen wrote: > > Bruce Evans and I have had some exchanges about AC diesels, mostly > American > but also about > AC0001 which Mike LaPlante and I saw new at ErQi Works last year, and > a DF4 > in red, white, and blue paint in a magazine that was converted to AC. > Perhaps we may see something like this as a replacement when the NY7's > are > finally retired. > > I would be interested in anything anyone knows about these two > prototypes. > The DF4 photo that I saw was over two years ago. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2592-1079055713-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 02:42:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2C1gtAS025090 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:42:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i2C1hGX19872 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:43:16 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2592-1079055713-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 01:41:54 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85787 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 01:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 01:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 01:41:50 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HUFWPN00.7UN for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:41:47 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4f03651061.510614f036@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:41:47 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jing Peng report 2004.03.10 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 560 I think mike may have a reasonable point in this assesment. One of the interesting things I found last December as well as this year is the constant use of a "few" QJ's. I cannot understand, nor could I find out anything about the so called additonal engines that were purchased by Jitong not that long ago in supossedly overhauled condition for the Xilinhot line. I remember the threads regarding this created much eager anticipation, as to an increase in steam traction on the line. In November - December last 7041 was seen once in near new condition on a west bound train, after that it sat in the backroad at Daban in steam, oou. as were several others in what looked like overhauled condition. It is obvious that 2xQJ are generally required for west bounds all the way, but only one is required for east bound trains, so we have a situation where in one direction inefecient use of engines is the norm, but not so the other way. It is a typical railway dilemna that is not isolated to China. I wonder why it could not be a better practice to have a single rear end banker staioned at Jingpeng to push up to Shangdian thus eliminating doubling all the way. But then again, this would end up in an imbalance of engines going west. Duncan What I was getting at is the non sensical engine working that appears in China. At least that's how I see it. Having worked as an engineman as well as an depot chargeman in engine despatch in Sydney, I have seen & experienced some pretty dumb engine rostering, but nothing to compare with the Chinese "bureau" system. To have O/H wires, & pull an electric engine off a train when it reaches its depots boundary is simply crackers. If it is a diesel & fuel is low, as per useage over a given distance, different situation. Last year I saw around 40+ electrics, not counting diesels sitting idle in Xi'an on both arriving & departing there. It seemed to be an over supply of engines. This time, seeing diesels used in large numbers under wires north of BJ seemed strange to me, especially when you line the numbers up against each other. Although having said that, here in NSW we no longer have any electric loco's running at all, owing to 1: time needed to change engines & conduct proper continuity tests etc. is outwieghed by the time saved in running directly through that station. 2: The fuel efficiency of the modern diesels here, places a so called cost advantage to the diesels. It is alledged that these diesels are now more fuel efficient as to make electrics obsolete, when coupled to the factor of the first point. However, I wonder the difference if we had a higher & more prctical voltage than 1500DC. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! 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Like Colin, I have seen operations which look like mismanagement in any country. For example, when dutch railways were split up in separate passenger & freight units, they needed I think some 20% more engine drivers & locos. Seems inefficient, but maybe that is (at least partly) earned back later as focusing on part of the business might lead to more efficient management (so far, in Holland that is not obvious though). It seems silly to change locos when they reach their depot boundaries. But on the other hand, it does help depots to keep their locos in their own hands & feel responsible for them. I think otherwise if a loco got damaged outside its own depot's boundaries, there would be a lot of paperwork & finding out who has to pay the bill... It is a bit like the old discussion in steam days: assign one crew to a loco (or vice versa) or let them jump from one loco to another. What looks efficient on paper, does not always work out that way... I am not saying the Chinese have a clever way of working their engines, just that we don't know enough to judge. What I do know is that Chinese society in general & Chinese railways in particular look pretty well organised to me; compared to other third world countries but also to ''western'' countries which seem to be in a permanent state of disrepair. One thing I noted in China is that on the railway system they seem to rank reliability above efficiency & speed. For someone who travels by train to his work every day, this seems quite a sensible way of looking at things. About electric & diesel: It is arguable that a small power station (which a diesel electric loco actually is) could at least be as efficient as a big one serving lots of electric locos - even if you don't have an archaic electrification system like 1500 V DC or 15000 V AC 16,67 Hz. The main reason for electrification all over the world seems to be line capacity: one can haul heavier loads at higher speeds with electric traction. And the main reason for dieselisation of the JiTong line may be the same: if the line is at top capacity, they can double it or use diesels. The latter solution is definitely cheaper. One thing that does surprise me about the ND7 engines: why does it not seem possible to build a diesel electric that can do the same task better than a diesel hydraulic? I think it was in the late sixties that comparative tests in both France and Belgium showed clearly that there is no way a modern diesel hydraulic can compete with an equally modern diesel electric - so diesel hydraulics were ''out'' from then apart from small shunters or railcars - only the germans who put all their money on diesel hydraulics, went on with it for a while. And with three phase motors and the like, development of the diesel electric has not come to a standstill since. ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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However, at lower speeds with carefully designed diesel locos and on lines without considerable gradients, it may be possible that a diesel loco can compete with the low-voltage DC systems (1,5 kV) but in most other cases, electrics probably will be more efficient ... Regarding the continued use of NY7 between Beijing and Kangzhuang: Probably the rated performance is the very simple explanation: NY7 : 4360 kW DF11: 3610 kW DF4 : 2430 kW The difference is evident, isn`t it ? ;-) And, of course, a d/h loco offers much better sound than a d/e ... ;-) Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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My only other point was that considering energy consumption, modern diesel electric locos are at least as efficient as electric locos on modern systems, so more efficient than electric locos in countries which are hampered by the fact that their electrification system dates from the nineteenth century, like 1500V DC or 15000 V AC 16,67 Hz. The much higher power-to-volume rate and especially the possibility to ''overload'' is what makes electric haulage relevant on busy lines &/or lines with a difficult alignment, that was my point & is your point. And of course there are other advantages, like the possibility of using all kinds of fuel, fossile or other, no local fuelling points with their environmental problems, less maintenance, etcetera. Considering the diesel locos, I understand why they use ND7 instead of DF4. But I do not understand why they did not build a diesel electric with the same or higher power. But perhaps they don't need very powerful diesels because they intend to electrify anyway. And sound? Maybe two stroke diesel vs four stroke diesel or fast running diesel vs slow running diesel makes more difference in sound than electric vs hydraulic transmission. When I was young, I was much more impressed by the sound of Belgian diesel electrics than the German diesel hydraulics - in Holland we did not have heavy diesels, at least not in ''my'' time. But this is all a matter of taste (& memories). ameling Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2597-1079095586-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 14:03:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2CD3Ja5027999 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:03:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2CCkqf14000 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:47:03 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2597-1079095586-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 12:46:27 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1669 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 12:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 12:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr50.hinet.net) (168.95.4.150) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 12:46:24 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-98-46.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.226.98.46]) by msr50.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17870 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:46:20 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <002201c40831$01a1b0d0$2e62e23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.150 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:06:10 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: eltectric vs d/e loco, NY7 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 565 Florian, Ameling, Perhaps it time to "up-date" the title of the discussion group???? Just a small note on Chinese diesel development: Both Dalian and Qishuyan (and Ziyang) are working on new diesel engine designs that will significantly up the power of future Chinese DEs, if these engines reach production. Dalian's engine appears to be 3,820kW while Qishuyan's is 4,260kW. These are being tested in prototypes now. The tables I have show the DF4B as 2,430kW and the NY7 as 3,680kW. Which comparison is "apples with apples"? This one or Florian's (2,430kW for the DF4B vs 4,360kW for the NY7)? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "ameling algra" To: Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: eltectric vs d/e loco, NY7 > Dear Florian, > > actually I think this means you agree with me. > My only other point was that considering energy consumption, modern > diesel electric locos are at least as efficient as electric locos on > modern systems, so more efficient than electric locos in countries > which are hampered by the fact that their electrification system > dates from the nineteenth century, like 1500V DC or 15000 V AC 16,67 > Hz. > The much higher power-to-volume rate and especially the possibility > to ''overload'' is what makes electric haulage relevant on busy > lines &/or lines with a difficult alignment, that was my point & is > your point. And of course there are other advantages, like the > possibility of using all kinds of fuel, fossile or other, no local > fuelling points with their environmental problems, less maintenance, > etcetera. > Considering the diesel locos, I understand why they use ND7 instead > of DF4. But I do not understand why they did not build a diesel > electric with the same or higher power. But perhaps they don't need > very powerful diesels because they intend to electrify anyway. > And sound? Maybe two stroke diesel vs four stroke diesel or fast > running diesel vs slow running diesel makes more difference in sound > than electric vs hydraulic transmission. When I was young, I was much > more impressed by the sound of Belgian diesel electrics than the > German diesel hydraulics - in Holland we did not have heavy diesels, > at least not in ''my'' time. But this is all a matter of taste (& > memories). > > ameling > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2598-1079098616-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 15:17:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2CEHHwU008004 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:17:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2CDb3f24642 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:37:04 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2598-1079098616-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 13:36:56 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31923 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 13:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 13:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta04-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 13:36:52 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.173]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040312133635.CCGU4168.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:36:35 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4f03651061.510614f036@goconnect.net> Message-Id: <523D3A99-742A-11D8-A92C-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.44 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:36:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jing Peng report 2004.03.10 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 566 I think the reason for the method of engine working currently practised in China is largely historical. When the Japanese started large scale railway building in Manchuria in the early years of the 20th Century, they adopted standard gauge, contemporary North American practices and bought their locos from US builders. At the time of the Liberation, the rail network in the North East was the most developed in the country and its operating methods were adopted throughout China. Not a lot has changed since. That's where the system of a loco working out to a division point, handing over it's train to the next division's loco, then working back to the home terminal came from. It made a lot of sense in Kansas or Heilongjiang in the 1920's using steam locos with a limited range. Of course North America has moved on since those days but China largely continues with the same methods. When the JiTong line was being built in the early '80s, it's obvious that the line was designed around this method of operating. In many ways it still makes sense. In the West, we're used to looking at everything in terms of efficiency, which has come to mean maximum profit for minimum outlay thanks to those accursed accountants who run everything these days. If you apply those standards, Chinese railways are overstaffed, over engined, and inefficient. There is another way of looking at things though. Effectiveness. Effectiveness means the ability to do the job properly, day in, day out, even when things go wrong. It means having sufficient people and resources in place to sort out any problems before they become crises. China's railways are very effective. You only have to look out of the window of any express passenger train on a busy main line to realise that. It's not easy to run 160 km/h passenger trains on a railway busy with freight traffic but the Chinese manage it with almost Swiss precision. It's not often that you arrive late. Britain's railways are among the most efficient in Europe. They move more passengers per member of staff than anywhere else. Unfortunately, they aren't very effective. For the passenger, this means late running, missed connections, nobody around to explain what's happening etc. A lot of the problems our railways suffer from are down to the lack of clear lines of control and responsibility. The Chinese system, with it's almost military command structure, has very clearly defined lines of control and responsibility. Everything works because somebody has the responsibility to make it work and if they don't do their job it's obvious. It's not easy to keep locos in good condition when they're used systemwide. There is a perverse incentive for a depot manager to send an ailing loco on to another depot rather than spend some of his precious budget repairing it. In the Chinese system, where the loco never stray's far from it's home depot, it's clearly that depot's responsibility to keep it in good shape. The amount of diesel working under the wires isn't so easy to explain. There are still some unelectrified lines in the Beijing and Tangshan/Fengrun areas. Trains to or from these lines would logically be diesel hauled to avoid unnecessary traction changes. There's too much diesel working for that to be the sole cause. It may be that Beijing bureau has a surplus of diesels and a shortage of electrics. The bureau / division structure may seem anachronistic and inefficient but it works. It also makes the rail scene more interesting. Non standard classes like the NY7 have probably survived because of it. Most importantly, it undoubtedly prolonged main line steam working by several years. CNR had enough diesels to eliminate steam completely by the mid 1990s. The fact that steam survived into the 21st century was down to the Bureau structure. We have a lot to thank it for! Duncan On Friday, Mar 12, 2004, at 01:41 Europe/London, wrote: > Duncan > > What I was getting at is the non sensical engine working that appears > in China. At least that's how I see it. Having worked as an engineman > as well as an depot chargeman in engine despatch in Sydney, I have seen > & experienced some pretty dumb engine rostering, but nothing to compare > with the Chinese "bureau" system. > > To have O/H wires, & pull an electric engine off a train when it > reaches its depots boundary is simply crackers. If it is a diesel & > fuel is low, as per useage over a given distance, different situation. > > Last year I saw around 40+ electrics, not counting diesels sitting idle > in Xi'an on both arriving & departing there. It seemed to be an over > supply of engines. This time, seeing diesels used in large numbers > under wires north of BJ seemed strange to me, especially when you line > the numbers up against each other. > > Although having said that, here in NSW we no longer have any electric > loco's running at all, owing to > 1: time needed to change engines & conduct proper continuity tests etc. > is outwieghed by the time saved in running directly through that > station. > > 2: The fuel efficiency of the modern diesels here, places a so called > cost advantage to the diesels. It is alledged that these diesels are > now more fuel efficient as to make electrics obsolete, when coupled to > the factor of the first point. > > However, I wonder the difference if we had a higher & more prctical > voltage than 1500DC. > > Colin Hussey > > ________________________________________________________ > > GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month > Unlimited Downloads > Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! > http://www.goconnect.com.au > *Terms and Conditions Apply. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2599-1079099571-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 15:21:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2CELGBa008493 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:21:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2CDr2f27885 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:53:03 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2599-1079099571-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 13:52:51 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58187 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 13:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 13:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 13:52:49 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.173]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040312135227.FINA2185.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:52:27 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002201c40831$01a1b0d0$2e62e23d@TRAVELMATE> Message-Id: <89615AD8-742C-11D8-A92C-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.41 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:52:43 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: [Diesels_in_China] NY7 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 567 I have different figures again! Henschel's entry in Janes World Railways 1972/3 quotes the NY7 as being 5400 HP (4028 kW). Peter Clark's Locomotives in China says 3740 kW. It's possible that they were downrated after arriving in China to improve reliability. It also depends where you measure the power output. Traditionally brake horsepower (BHP) has been used, i.e. useful horsepower measured at the engine output shaft. Horsepower available at the rail is different. Whatever the actual figure, the NY7 is incredibly powerful for an early 1970s loco. Duncan On Friday, Mar 12, 2004, at 12:06 Europe/London, BruceEvans wrote: > Florian, Ameling, > > Perhaps it time to "up-date" the title of the discussion group???? > > Just a small note on Chinese diesel development: Both Dalian and > Qishuyan (and Ziyang) are working on new diesel engine designs that > will significantly up the power of future Chinese DEs, if these > engines reach production. Dalian's engine appears to be 3,820kW while > Qishuyan's is 4,260kW. These are being tested in prototypes now. > > The tables I have show the DF4B as 2,430kW and the NY7 as 3,680kW. > Which comparison is "apples with apples"? This one or Florian's > (2,430kW for the DF4B vs 4,360kW for the NY7)? > > Bruce > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ameling algra" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:11 PM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: eltectric vs d/e loco, NY7 > > >> Dear Florian, >> >> actually I think this means you agree with me. >> My only other point was that considering energy consumption, modern >> diesel electric locos are at least as efficient as electric locos on >> modern systems, so more efficient than electric locos in countries >> which are hampered by the fact that their electrification system >> dates from the nineteenth century, like 1500V DC or 15000 V AC 16,67 >> Hz. >> The much higher power-to-volume rate and especially the possibility >> to ''overload'' is what makes electric haulage relevant on busy >> lines &/or lines with a difficult alignment, that was my point & is >> your point. And of course there are other advantages, like the >> possibility of using all kinds of fuel, fossile or other, no local >> fuelling points with their environmental problems, less maintenance, >> etcetera. >> Considering the diesel locos, I understand why they use ND7 instead >> of DF4. But I do not understand why they did not build a diesel >> electric with the same or higher power. But perhaps they don't need >> very powerful diesels because they intend to electrify anyway. >> And sound? Maybe two stroke diesel vs four stroke diesel or fast >> running diesel vs slow running diesel makes more difference in sound >> than electric vs hydraulic transmission. When I was young, I was much >> more impressed by the sound of Belgian diesel electrics than the >> German diesel hydraulics - in Holland we did not have heavy diesels, >> at least not in ''my'' time. But this is all a matter of taste (& >> memories). >> >> ameling >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! 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NY7 has a rated power of 3680 kW only! My mistake! DF4 : 2430 kW DF11 : 3610 kW NY5 : 2500 kW NY6 : 3164 kW NY7 : 3680 kW Regards, Florian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2602-1079127879-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 23:02:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2CM22Si016883 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:02:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2CLikf04458 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:44:46 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2602-1079127879-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 21:44:40 -0000 X-Sender: jbwest@att.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89492 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 21:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 21:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 21:44:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 21:44:36 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "John West" X-Originating-IP: 12.72.146.87 X-Yahoo-Profile: jbardinwest MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:44:36 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Changchun works Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 570 While browing through the Trains Unlimited itinerary for China next September, I noticed they were proposing to visit Changchun for a visit "to the main steam repair and rebuilding workshops in China." Somehow I was under the impression that the Changchun works had quit doing steam work a couple of years ago.....can anybody enlighten me. John West ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2603-1079134875-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 00:48:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2CNm9TE021789 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:48:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2CNh4f14527 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:43:05 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2603-1079134875-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 23:41:16 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3183 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 23:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 23:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 23:41:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 23:41:14 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.6.63 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:41:13 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New QJ line -Yongchang Coal Company Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 571 Hello All, Another major steam find, this time by T. Tsujimoto of Japan. The line he found is the QJ-powered Yongchang Coal Railway, which has well-maintained QJ operating over about 55km of existing lines plus a new line (to Xinqiao) under construction, and QJ on the construction trains. It looks like Zhungeer will not be the last new line operated by steam. Looking at my maps, it appears this newly discovered line joins the Qing-Fu line (Quail map 6, line 15G, from southwest of Xuzhou to Fuyang) of the National Railways at or near the station called Qingtuan on that map (but may be called Qingdin now). It heads about 25km nearly straight north from there to a location Mr. Tsujimoto refers to as Jipeizhan, then has branches 10km north to Chensilou (crossing highway 311), 10km northeast to Chenji, and 10km to Chengjiao in an unknown direction, plus the new line west to Xinqiao which looks to be about 12 km long. Mr Tsujimoto states that he saw 5 QJ-powered trains in a little over 7 hours at one location, and that the QJ are in very bright condition. Congratulations and many, many thnaks are due to Mr. Tsujimoto for this new find. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2604-1079137707-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 01:36:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2D0a3BL023304 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:36:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2D0SYf17047 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:28:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2604-1079137707-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 00:28:28 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32684 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 00:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 00:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 00:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 00:28:17 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.6.63 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:28:17 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Two Items Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 572 Hello all, First a correction. The new QJ-powered line found by Mr. Tsujimoto is the Yongcheng, not Yongchang Coal Railway. Second, can anyone identify the location shown in the photo http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1079100257_2.jpg The JS with high headlight only is a new one to me. Thanks, Louis Cerny Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2605-1079138868-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 01:48:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2D0lbYJ023626 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:48:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2D0lsf18317 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:47:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2605-1079138868-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 00:47:48 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64802 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 00:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 00:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 00:47:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 00:47:39 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.6.63 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:47:36 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Corrected web address of photo Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 573 Hello all again (and again), One digit was in error on my last message. The photo is at http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1079100259_2.jpg (And if I mistyped another digit this time I'm not trying again until morning) Louis Cerny Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2606-1079175207-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 12:05:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2DB5f7g017556 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:05:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2DArYf30610 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:53:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2606-1079175207-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 10:53:27 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33927 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 10:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 10:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.19) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 10:53:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:53:25 -0800 Received: from 218.28.66.44 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:53:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2004 10:53:25.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[69011FA0:01C408E9] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.19 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [218.28.66.44] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:53:25 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jun, Yongchang Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 574 If the news of the Yongchang Railway had reached me three days ago I would''ve stopped and explored there. It certainly looks like a promising find. However, yesterday evening I met Jun from Chengde who was guiding Dave Corbett. They seemed to have no set schedule, and asked me about Ma'anshan, which is where they were planning to go. If so, they are well-positioned to have a look at Yongchang. Perhaps someone who has Jun's telephone number can call him and let him know about this, he would probably appreciate it while he is so close by. Ronald Olsen _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2607-1079179892-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 13:16:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2DCG5Hq021309 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:16:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2DCBcf06984 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:11:38 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2607-1079179892-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 12:11:32 -0000 X-Sender: jabschweitzer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34635 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 12:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 12:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14006.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.122) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 12:11:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20040313121130.16303.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.159.43.167] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:11:30 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008b01c4083f$ce2faf90$2e62e23d@TRAVELMATE> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.175.122 From: Jim Schweitzer X-Yahoo-Profile: jabschweitzer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:11:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jing Peng report 2004.03.13 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 575 Thirteen trains on both sides of the hill today. Engine 7009 went west in a fine blast of color. We did not see the practice of cutting one engine off at Shangdian to attach it to a westbound train today. There were several light engine movements, though. One engine was seen dead in tow at Xiakengzi heading eastbound. Jim Schweitzer Reshui __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2608-1079183435-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 14:12:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2DDC2ux027315 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:12:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2DDAhf13268 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:10:43 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2608-1079183435-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 13:10:36 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13882 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2004 13:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2004 13:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 13:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2004 13:10:33 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.0.84 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:10:29 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Huabei Coal Works Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 576 Hello all, Toshaki Tsujimoto wrote to tell me that the JS photo I was wondering about was at the Huaibei Coal Works Railway, about 45 km sothwest of Xuzhou, which has recently been reported under similar names, and under the name of Suixi Coal Mine by Bruce Evans. The easiest way to see the pictures is by going to http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/index.htm and clicking on the "message board" icon. In case you missed it, please see Bruce Evans' report on www.qj-country.de to realize how much steam activity is in the Xuzhou area. He discovered the Tienchu Coal Mine with QJ, Qingshanquan with JS, Jiwang with JS, and Xuzhou Steelworks with JS. These are in addition to the Huaibei line, the Peitun line, activities at Zaozhang, and, most importantly, Mr. Tsujimoto's recent discovery of the Yongcheng Coal Railway about 70 km southwest of Xuzhou. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2609-1079251996-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 09:24:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2E8Opvu018271 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:24:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2E8DMf09444 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:13:23 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2609-1079251996-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 08:13:16 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98626 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 08:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 08:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 08:13:15 -0000 Received: from ntlworld.com ([80.6.205.173]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040314081218.RWPS27661.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:12:18 +0000 To: Steam_In_China ~ Message-Id: <70EE39E0-758F-11D8-A39D-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.45 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:13:14 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway News Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 577 Some recent news from the China Daily site which may be of interest. Nothing directly related to the future of steam but it's a nice change to see a country expending it's rail network. Could they be saving the surplus DF4s for this lot? Regards, Duncan PS some of these pages took several attempts to open. Alstom front runners for Beijing - Shanghai high speed line project : http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-02/24/content_308798.htm China to launch large scale railway construction. 28,000 km of new lines by 2020 : http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-02/24/content_308864.htm Passenger service accelerations from 18 April : http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-02/23/content_308351.htm Quality Railway Photographs on the web at: http://www.railography.co.uk/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2610-1079269572-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 14:12:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2EDChoH003725 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:12:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2ED6If11287 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:06:18 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2610-1079269572-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 13:06:12 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34109 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 13:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 13:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12407.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 13:06:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20040314130612.21246.qmail@web12407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.32.4] by web12407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 05:06:12 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.134 From: dave longman X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 05:06:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Beitai Steelworks Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 578 I have finally managed to find the time to complete a photographic record of my visit to Beitai Steelworks made in January 2003. This can be found at the following address:- www.geocities.com/lightweight_brother/China_Beitai_Steelworks.html These are photographs taken inside the site and include hot slag tipping. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2611-1079270777-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 14:41:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2EDft2q005090 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:41:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2EDQNf13303 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:26:23 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2611-1079270777-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 13:26:18 -0000 X-Sender: friendctsjun@yahoo.com.cn X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48256 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 13:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 13:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web15210.mail.bjs.yahoo.com) (202.43.216.140) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 13:26:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20040314132615.87324.qmail@web15210.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.22.169.162] by web15210.mail.cnb.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:26:15 CST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 202.43.216.140 From: =?gb2312?q?xuejun=20liu?= X-Yahoo-Profile: friendctsjun MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:26:15 +0800 (CST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jun, Yongchang Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i2EDft2q005090 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 579 Dear Ronald: How are you?Thanks for your e-mail and your calling. If possible let me know one taxi driver 's TEL No who from Zhungeer. Please tell me YongCheng's location:Which provice? Best wishes Ronald Olsen wrote: If the news of the Yongchang Railway had reached me three days ago I would''ve stopped and explored there. It certainly looks like a promising find. However, yesterday evening I met Jun from Chengde who was guiding Dave Corbett. They seemed to have no set schedule, and asked me about Ma'anshan, which is where they were planning to go. If so, they are well-positioned to have a look at Yongchang. Perhaps someone who has Jun's telephone number can call him and let him know about this, he would probably appreciate it while he is so close by. Ronald Olsen _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ?get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2612-1079275681-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 15:50:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2EEo78G008462 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:50:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i2EEnxX28117 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:50:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200403141450.i2EEnxX28117@info.cyf-kr.edu.pl> X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2612-1079275681-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 14:48:01 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66541 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 14:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 14:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoogroups.com) (81.49.87.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 14:47:53 -0000 To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.49.87.66 From: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:47:51 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Excel file Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 580 Please have a look at the attached file. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2613-1079280207-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 17:28:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2EGPWtW013581 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:28:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.85]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2EG3af25097 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:03:37 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2613-1079280207-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 16:03:27 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19644 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 16:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 16:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 16:03:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 16:03:25 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040314132615.87324.qmail@web15210.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:03:25 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Jun, Yongchang Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i2EGPWtW013581 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 581 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, xuejun liu wrote: > Dear Ronald: > How are you?Thanks for your e-mail and your calling. > If possible let me know one taxi driver 's TEL No who from Zhungeer. Here are name & telehpone number of Zhungeer taxi driver used by Ronald Olsen & later by me. He has a small Suzuki so not suitable for more than three persons: To Fu Xin Cheng. We can confirm everything Ronald Olsen wrote, including the empty stomach and fuel tank of the taxi driver: Kong Li Juin, Blue taxi KY3171. Tel # 13150884542. But excellent spot & excellent driver > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > ȫѵŻʣע60洢ռ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2614-1079306267-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 00:24:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2ENOjj6008951 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:24:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2ENHrf06860 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:17:54 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2614-1079306267-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 23:17:47 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35550 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2004 23:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2004 23:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2004 23:17:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2004 23:16:58 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.70 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:16:56 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] World's Most Recently Constructed Steam Lines Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 582 Hello all, In November 2000 Bernd Seiler saw the Qinxian-Qinyuan and Wuxiang- Modeng lines under construction and not yet completed to their terminals. Hsiang Tseng, in his latest report on www.qj-country.de reports on both these lines now fully in service with steam. Since my understanding is that the Zhungeer line entered service December 2000, and these two lines could not have been finished until 2001 at the earliest, they seem to be clearly more recent new steam lines. Also, by the more technical definition of the 21st century beginning 01/01/01, they would be the only lines known at this time to have been opened with steam in the 21st century. I would especially like to thank Hsiang Tseng for these and other recent reports and for his very professional-looking maps. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2615-1079317655-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 03:36:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2F2aGj2014816 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:36:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2F2Rff15637 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:27:42 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2615-1079317655-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 02:27:35 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17938 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 02:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 02:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 02:27:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 02:27:32 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.7.105 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:27:32 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Maps of Huainan and Maanshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 583 Hello all, I just completed the map for finding steam at Huainan and the rough sketch of the steam area at Maanshan, to go with my recent report on Rob Dickinson's and Florian Menius' websites. It will probably be about 4 weeks before they appear on the web, but if anyone is in dire need of these, I could fax them to you. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2617-1079353332-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 13:42:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2FCfV0p020951 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:42:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2FCMIf12757 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:22:19 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2617-1079353332-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 12:22:13 -0000 X-Sender: rgibbons@netvigator.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63188 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 12:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 12:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 12:22:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 12:22:09 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "huochemi" X-Originating-IP: 218.102.178.254 X-Yahoo-Profile: huochemi MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:22:06 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Excel file - looks like someone has a virus Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 584 In case you are wondering what was attached, I did not post this earlier message. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, rgibbons@n... wrote: > Please have a look at the attached file. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2619-1079365202-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 16:51:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2FFox18018464 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:51:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2FFeFf19421 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:40:15 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2619-1079365202-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 15:40:02 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42490 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 15:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 15:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr23.hinet.net) (168.95.4.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 15:40:00 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-98-155.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.226.98.155]) by msr23.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA06987 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:39:57 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <000201c40aa4$c1ab4d80$9b62e23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: <200403141448.WAA23696@msr87.hinet.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.123 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:29:09 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Excel file Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 587 Robin, File? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Excel file > Please have a look at the attached file. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2620-1079384103-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 22:20:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2FLJrvV017378 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:20:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2FKtAf04626 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:55:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2620-1079384103-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 20:55:04 -0000 X-Sender: davidk@brocross.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64005 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 20:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 20:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dolphin.esosoft.net) (66.113.66.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 20:55:02 -0000 Received: from host81-128-52-224.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.128.52.224] helo=Uncle-Staveley) by dolphin.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B2z6n-000CqD-Dc for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:54:50 -0800 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <40561813.22254.FCBA6C@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.113.66.14 From: "David Kitching" X-Yahoo-Profile: davidkbrocross MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:54:43 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] 1992 views of action at Jalainur Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i2FLJrvV017378 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 588 Having finally scanned my 1992 slides of steam action at the Jalainur opencast mine, a selection can now be viewed at: http://www.brocross.com/china/jalainur.htm Each page contains at least 400k of images so patience or broadband is recommended. Cheers, -- David Kitching http://www.brocross.com fearrmeox adla brgen Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2623-1079422449-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 08:59:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2G7xHZu020906 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:59:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2G7YFf25987 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:34:16 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2623-1079422449-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 07:34:09 -0000 X-Sender: cindylou.chapman@ntirety.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46934 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 07:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 07:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 07:34:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 07:34:04 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "hansi6301" X-Originating-IP: 193.217.193.112 X-Yahoo-Profile: hansi6301 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:34:01 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Operation schemes in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 592 Here are my five cents of knowledge: If engines are staffed by fixed crews, like in China (3 crews per engine), these people have responsibility to keep their engine in shape. It is very visible and traceable of they do this properly. The French Railways did this with their highly complicated 4-cylinder coumpound locomotives. However, any locomotive used this way cannot work more than its people. With three crews there will be downtime. Maybe four crews will be better then... Other railways (German, US) developed the "wild" way of using an engine. Anybody runs it, from its home depot. However, then it must be made sure that somebody does the necessary maintenance, and does it well. This worked in Germany, and this works well in airlines, where anybody is flying the aircraft. It has to do with procedures, organization, responsibility, training and tracking. This way you can run engines very efficiently and you need a lot less engines. However, there is one caveat: If something goes wrong, either a locomotive fails, or there is trouble along the line, or there is unexpected traffic, you can only cope with it if you have reserves. China with its inefficieint system has the reserves, both people and engines. If an engine fails, just pull another one out of the shed, and get some people, who just get a different schedule. Diesel under wires, why? One explanation may be the supply of electric engines. In Germany we have had steam and diesel under wires in several cases. This was due to short supply of electric engines. At the same time it may not be wise to supply these too early, because of the capital cost. In Germany, the 2-10-0s class 44 worked between Paderborn and Kassel for two years after electrification, because they could pull more than the four axle electrics (high friction weight). An electric could not start a train in a grade. In China, trains pulled by two six axle diesels may be too heavry for one 8 axle electric. This may also explain why some trains are still worked by diesels for some time. Another fact may be that they do not rely completely on the reliability of the electric installations. Thus, they gradually retire the diesels, in order to have a fallback solution for some time. Last thing: Daban locomotive workings. It is explained on my web page. >From Linxi to Shangdian and from Jingpeng to Hansulu, they need two engines. Thus, westbound trains need two engines for a lot of their trip. From Hans Schaefer hans.schaefer@ieee.org Eastbounds only need two engines from Jingpeng to Shangdian. Thus, they have to send a second engine on westbound trains anyway. To balance this, eastbound trains are double headed trough from Haoluku to Daban. However, if eastbound traffic is more than westbound traffic, there are two options: Either have light engine workings Daban to Haoluku, or double the use of some eastbound engines between Jingpeng and Shangdian. What they do in the actual case depends on traffic and availability of engines. - For us, it may look chaotic what they do, but the dispatcher at Daban knows what trains are on their way 12 hours in advance, which helps them plan. - Some engines seem to just be sitting around in Daban. This is because they rather park an engine for some time, rather than increasing the turnaround time of the engines they are running. The crews of the parked engines may have free time (and continuous free time is "quality time"). Some of them are also on training for diesel during such times. - And they are withdrawing older engines. The newly repaired, but parked ones go in service when they withdraw engines. Yours, Hans Schaefer ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2626-1079428327-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 10:31:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2G9V4u2004330 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:31:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2G9CEf16314 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:12:15 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2626-1079428327-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 09:12:08 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6551 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 09:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 09:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.184) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 09:12:05 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3AcH-0002cE-00; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:12:05 +0100 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3AcG-0002ZF-00; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:12:04 +0100 Message-ID: <4056C4E3.CE698155@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "julien.blanc@valeo.com" References: <40561813.22254.FCBA6C@localhost> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.184 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:12:03 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JingPeng dieselisation Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 594 Hans Schaefer forwarded a Chinese message from Mr. HeLiWen/JiTaong Management, dated March 6th 2004: Translated, it states (the correctness of the translation was confirmed by Robin Gibbons): * Zhelimu-Chabuga completely diesel as of March 15th 2004 (this was yesterday...) * Daban-Haoluku: complete dieselisation is to take place in the second half of 2004! No comments neccessary - desastrous, if true ... Anyway, have a nice day! Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2628-1079431283-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 11:17:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2GAHVqo011299 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:17:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2GA1Vf27457 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:01:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2628-1079431283-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 10:01:25 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47027 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 10:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 10:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 10:01:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 10:01:12 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 62.216.15.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:01:10 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Operation schemes in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 597 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "hansi6301" wrote: > Diesel under wires, why? For some years, belgian railways used diesels on peak hour passenger trains. The reason given was that the money they have to pay for electric current is (was?) based on peak hour consumption. I think ity is unlikely this argument goes for China as well - I did not see many peak hour trains there, and in a centralized economy the price of electricity may not be set the same way. In Holland, for years the heavy ore trains were pulled by four light diesels with less horsepower than one electric loco. The reason was the same as the reason Hans gives for using 44's in Germany (though the outcome was not as photogenic): with the same power, 16 powered axles are better than four when you have to start a heavy train. A slightly different solution was used later: an electric loco and two diesels, controlled from the electric loco, behind it. The diesels were only used when starting from a stand still. ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! 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It's a Chinese railfan site with a fair bit of text in English. Although it's mostly diesel and electric, there is some steam as well. Most of the galleries seem to start with diesels and electrics seen on the journey so it's often page 2 before the steam photos start. Duncan Index page http://chinacmw.398.cn/ccj/bbs/cgi-bin/forums.cgi?forum=8 Pingdingshan at Night http://chinacmw.398.cn/ccj/bbs/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=8&topic=52&show=0 Some JiTong stuff here as well http://chinacmw.398.cn/ccj/bbs/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=8&topic=38&show=0 Shanghai (some steam) http://chinacmw.398.cn/ccj/bbs/cgi-bin/ topic.cgi?forum=8&topic=26&start=12&show=25 Tiefa & Fuxin http://chinacmw.398.cn/ccj/bbs/cgi-bin/ topic.cgi?forum=8&topic=31&show=25 Misc phots, mainly steam http://chinacmw.398.cn/ccj/bbs/cgi-bin/ topic.cgi?forum=8&topic=24&show=25 Neijiang QJs http://chinacmw.398.cn/ccj/bbs/cgi-bin/ topic.cgi?forum=8&topic=35&show=25 Chenjia NG http://chinacmw.398.cn/ccj/bbs/cgi-bin/ topic.cgi?forum=8&topic=45&show=25 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Messrs David Huntbatch, Peter Ellis, Peter Borkus, Cyril Lofthus and Mike Nichols plus John Day from Canada. 14th February BA039 to Beijing 15th February early into Beijing and met by Li Weishu and John Day. 13-00 hours flight to Harbin arrive 14-35 where we repaired to an Hotel by the Railway station for a much needed clean-up and to prepare for train K491 Harbin 19-57 to Jalainur arrive 09-13 on 16th February. Jalainur is not what we remembered from 1998 when 30 odd engines were working before the days of the conveyor. Now we saw around 12 engines at both the pit bottom and on the surface with little work up through the levels, most activity was from the 3 working diggers to the conveyor hall. It looked very nice with a fresh snow covering with temperatures quite warm for here at only minus 12C. The wind was a problem and indeed a problem which recurred throughout our 3 weeks in China. Overnight at the infamous hotel in Manzhouli as usual filled with Russians, but at least a chance to sleep in a bed. 17th February An early start at 6-00am to drive to Hailar for flight CA1122 11-00am Hailar to Hohot and the subsequent drive to Zhungeer where we stayed for 3 nights. The road from Hohot to Zhungeer is as bad as any I have seen in China for accidents caused in part by the coal lorries which saturate this otherwise good road. We saw at least 3 fatal accidents within an hour on one stretch near to the Yellow River. The early evening we spent at the shed watching engines move on and off. It looked like a busy period of traffic 18th February Off to Fuxingcheng where we saw 6 uphill loaded trains between 08-30 and 17-30 with downhill empties and light engines to balance these workings. The line seemed to be working to capacity. Temperatures started at minus 5 but rose by mid afternoon to +15 deg C which killed the exhausts. 19th February Fuxingcheng again by 08-30 and again 6 uphill trains were seen. The problem was that temperatures rose to +20 deg C which caused a dust storm to blow up in the afternoon which killed photography for the day. 20th February Pre-dawn visit to Zhungeer depot where all 14 locos were on shed with no work so it was off to Baiqi by mini-bus which took the rest of the day. On shed at Baiqi the following locomotives were observed. Out of use:- 6790, 6846, 6353,6564, 6354,6214 with tender from 6997, 6642, 6302, 6855, 6483,6838 (no front bogie - deflectorless) 6835, 6568 - no tender, 6579 (no deflectors - decorated) 6854. In steam were 6912, 6850, 7043 (deflectorless yard shunter) and 6965. 6633 decorated was in the maintainence hall. 21st February Baiqi area where we linesided several freights climbing eastwards and saw 2 doubleheaded westbounds reaching the summit at Km 222. In the afternoon we left for Xillinhot. On the way at Sanggendelai Junction (Xillinhot branch) we saw an eastbound freight in the most glorious late sunlight - the glint was just stupendous and the exhaust immense. It's moments like these when you know why you made the effort to go to China. 22nd to 26th February Drove to Jingpeng which was freshly snow covered. Eventually we stayed 5 nights at the new Hotel in Reshui where we did all the usual shots. The problem as at Baiqi was the wind which ruined exhausts particularly in the morning as it blew from the north. Traffic levels were high with large numbers of coal trains heading east and a notable number of oil tanker trains heading west. No sign of diesels or anything like that. On the 25th John Day went to Chifeng and overnight to Beijing to return to Canada. On the 26th we drove as far as Daban walking the last 4 Km into Daban from the road bridge to film 2 freights in this curving section amongst low hills. The wind was a problem here too. 27th February Drove to Chifeng and made an afternoon visit to Pingzhuang coal mine system. Very quiet here with not much traffic just 2 coal trains in the afternoon before we stayed overnight back in Chifeng. 28th February An early start to Yuanbaoshan for the 7-00am passenger which we saw at the River Bridge and again further on. This was a quiet day at Yuanbaoshan with not much work. We saw 1 train climb the Cement Works branch and one on the transfer freight working from the CNR exchange sidings, plus the afternoon passenger. Everyone very friendly here. Very windy with temperatures around 0 degC. Overnight train K2560 22-00 Chifeng to 06-00 Beijing Nan. Here Mike Nichols left us for a return to the UK leaving 4 of us plus Li Weishu to catch train K117 on 29th February at 11-10 from Beijing Xi (a beautiful station) to Handan 16-20. Overnight in Handan 1st March Handan Steelworks where we had full access to the steelworks, the shed, maintenance areas and slag tipping with a safety officer provided. A fascinating visit where 14 SY's work on molten iron trains and slag tipping duties. In the afternoon we drove to Pingdingshan where we stayed for 2 nights. 2nd and 3rd March Pingdingshan. Wow! What a busy system with trains shooting off all over the place. This really is the place to be if you want continuous action. SY's on shunting at Tianzhuang Yard, JS's on line work to the various mines and add a couple of QJ's one with and one without deflectors for good measure. Shenxi yard was a good place to position yourself as freights through here were continuous. One piece of local advice was that the Mine management have found that loading costs for electricity are cheaper at night which has changed the traffic pattern. Certainly we saw few loaded trains in the morning but plenty of empties which of course are chimney first. An unfortunate accident one morning saw a woman killed by a hard running JS8122 on the steep line up to Mine 1. The branches up to Mine 1, Mine 4 and mine 6 are all steep and offer alternative photo opportunities in almost semi-rural settings. We chased the afternoon passenger to it's western terminus at Hangshuang getting some good industrial waste backgrounds in the process. Temperatures were warm here up to +10 deg C but the exhausts remained good. Again very windy at times. Finally drove to Zhengzhou for the night at the Red Coral Hotel a very nice 4 star affair with a nice massage facility. 4th March Train T58 07-20 to Beijing Xi at 14-13. Visited the Bachmann shop buried in the Railway Institute complex where we bought 4 QJ's at 1400 Yuan each 5th March BA038 home. 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But what will be will be. In spite of the many other steam operations in China, Jing Peng is simply the best. Ian On Tuesday, Mar 16, 2004, at 12:15 Europe/London, Florian Menius wrote: > Dear Ian, > > sorry, have to dissapoint you. The charakters were "Daban dao Haoluku", > not "Daban dao Chabuga". > > In mourning.. > > FM > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! 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I need some wagons for my Bachman QJ to pull, so I'm using a couple of Roundhouse 50ft tank car kits, cutting then up and turning them into a G17 and a G60 tank car. (I've already done this twice in N scale). What are the walk-ways on the top of the wagons made of? Wood or metal(chequerboard?)?? I don't seem to have any looking down on photos to check this out, and the plans I have don't show it. Cheers, Roger ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger and Gwyn Gillard rgg@pipeline.com.au ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2638-1079473460-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 22:50:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2GLotA1029003 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:50:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2GLiRf12369 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:44:28 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2638-1079473460-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 21:44:20 -0000 X-Sender: timarnot@hotkey.net.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86094 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 21:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 21:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO duckula.hotkey.net.au) (202.138.0.111) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 21:44:19 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (207.040.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au [211.26.163.207]) by duckula.hotkey.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i2GLiOv20320 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:44:24 +1100 Message-ID: <40577693.1020205@hotkey.net.au> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 202.138.0.111 From: Tim Arnot X-Yahoo-Profile: timarnot_aus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:50:11 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] JingPeng dieselisation Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 606 This all seems a little puzzling.... If correct then we will have dismals Zhelimu to Chabuga, change loco to steam from Chabuga to Daban, change loco back to dismal (and maybe remarshal train?) Daban to Haoluku. I don't know whether logic prevails on JiTong as much as it does on other railway systems, but a more efficient dismalisation process might be to eliminate Chabuga change point completely and run the boxes Zhelimu to Daban straight through. Then change to steam for the pass until facilities and crew training are complete. Crew training is one issue that can't be rushed, nor can it be skimped on either. Assuming Zhelimu to Chabuga has just been fully dieselised - including the passenger - then this has taken quite some time to achieve (sorry, can't recall when the first DF4's arrived at Chabuga). Fuelling and servicing areas would need to be provided as well. Also bear in mind that these older DF4's don't seem to have multiple unit capability, and so one of the alleged advantages of dieselising Jing Peng section is lost. Time will of course tell and whatever happens it has been good while it lasted!!! Cheers Tim Arnot Ian Bowskill wrote: > Florian, > I don't doubt that the translation is correct, I'm just hoping that > JiTong management have made the error > and meant to put Daban - Chabuga. But what will be will be. In spite of > the many other steam operations > in China, Jing Peng is simply the best. > > Ian > > On Tuesday, Mar 16, 2004, at 12:15 Europe/London, Florian Menius wrote: > > > Dear Ian, > > > > sorry, have to dissapoint you. The charakters were "Daban dao Haoluku", > > not "Daban dao Chabuga". > > > > In mourning.. > > > > FM > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2639-1079476572-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 23:49:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2GMn3qB002744 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:49:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2GMcXf17859 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:38:34 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2639-1079476572-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 22:36:15 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21986 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 22:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 22:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.web.de) (217.72.192.209) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 22:36:03 -0000 Received: from [134.147.73.138] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.99 #614) id 1B3NAI-0005Ec-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:36:02 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <40577693.1020205@hotkey.net.au> In-Reply-To: <40577693.1020205@hotkey.net.au> Message-Id: <200403162336.02187.hubbertweb@web.de> X-WEBDE-TAG: W Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.209 From: Heinrich Hubbert X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:36:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] JingPeng dieselisation Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 607 I travelled along the Zhelimu-Daban section for a week by train in October last year. There was no single diesel around on the entire stretch during my time. Also on my visit to the shed in Chabuga - not a single one. I was engaged about 2 days east of Chabuga - no diesel either. So they have converted to diesel 100 % within 5 monthes. Any questions? Heinrich > Crew training is one issue that can't be rushed, nor can it be skimped > on either. Assuming Zhelimu to Chabuga has just been fully dieselised - > including the passenger - then this has taken quite some time to achieve > (sorry, can't recall when the first DF4's arrived at Chabuga). Fuelling > and servicing areas would need to be provided as well. > > Also bear in mind that these older DF4's don't seem to have multiple > unit capability, and so one of the alleged advantages of dieselising > Jing Peng section is lost. > > Time will of course tell and whatever happens it has been good while it > lasted!!! > > Cheers > Tim Arnot > > Ian Bowskill wrote: > > Florian, > > I don't doubt that the translation is correct, I'm just hoping that > > JiTong management have made the error > > and meant to put Daban - Chabuga. But what will be will be. In spite of > > the many other steam operations > > in China, Jing Peng is simply the best. > > > > Ian > > > > On Tuesday, Mar 16, 2004, at 12:15 Europe/London, Florian Menius wrote: > > > Dear Ian, > > > > > > sorry, have to dissapoint you. The charakters were "Daban dao > > > Haoluku", not "Daban dao Chabuga". > > > > > > In mourning.. > > > > > > FM > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2641-1079478772-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 00:25:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2GNP5iU004407 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:25:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2GNDlf20452 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:13:48 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2641-1079478772-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 23:13:38 -0000 X-Sender: timarnot@hotkey.net.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49068 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 23:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 23:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO duckula.hotkey.net.au) (202.138.0.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 23:12:51 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (208.040.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au [211.26.163.208]) by duckula.hotkey.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i2GNCnp13083 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:12:49 +1100 Message-ID: <40578C9E.9070709@hotkey.net.au> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <40577693.1020205@hotkey.net.au> <200403162336.02187.hubbertweb@web.de> In-Reply-To: <200403162336.02187.hubbertweb@web.de> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 202.138.0.111 From: Tim Arnot X-Yahoo-Profile: timarnot_aus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:24:14 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] JingPeng dieselisation Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 608 I was in Chabuga in early Feb 2004 and there were some dismals at work but by no means the whole section was diesel. The passenger was still steam then. There were supposed to be 5 diesels, and twice I saw two of them together. One of those cases was a dead attached movement, wasn't close enough to the other one to notice/care. Has the Zhelimu to Chabuga section gone completely diesel yet. I know it has been multiple rumoured to have done so but I've yet to see this confirmed? Heinrich Hubbert wrote: > I travelled along the Zhelimu-Daban section for a week by train in > October > last year. There was no single diesel around on the entire stretch > during my > time. > Also on my visit to the shed in Chabuga - not a single one. > I was engaged about 2 days east of Chabuga - no diesel either. > > So they have converted to diesel 100 % within 5 monthes. > Any questions? Cheers Tim Arnot Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2640-1079478597-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 00:25:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2GNP5ia004407 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:25:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2GNA3f20147 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:10:03 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2640-1079478597-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2004 23:09:57 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99747 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 23:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2004 23:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 23:09:55 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.205.173]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040316230918.UTTC5865.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:09:18 +0000 In-Reply-To: <200403162336.02187.hubbertweb@web.de> References: <40577693.1020205@hotkey.net.au> <200403162336.02187.hubbertweb@web.de> Message-Id: <084448AF-779F-11D8-915F-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.43 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:09:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] JingPeng dieselisation Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 609 Assuming Chabuga to Zhelimu is actually 100% diesel now, it actually took less than 4 months and the first 50% took less than a week! The first diesels arrived on 1st December 2003. We visited on 7th December and found the line 50% diesel. Crew training might not be an issue. The diesels east of Chabuga came with their own crews who trained the JiTong men on the job. A fuelling point at Daban shouldn't take more than a few weeks to build and the current facilities could probably be adapted to diesel servicing very quickly. It didn't take long at Baiqi. Multiple working is only a significant advantage if crew costs are significant, which tey're not in China. You can't assume that factors which apply in the West necessarily hold true for China. I don't see any technical reason why dieselisation can't happen as planned. Finance might be a problem if they want to buy new but not if they hire in CNR DF4s. Duncan On 16 Mar 2004, at 22:36, Heinrich Hubbert wrote: > I travelled along the Zhelimu-Daban section for a week by train in > October > last year. There was no single diesel around on the entire stretch > during my > time. > Also on my visit to the shed in Chabuga - not a single one. > I was engaged about 2 days east of Chabuga - no diesel either. > > So they have converted to diesel 100 % within 5 monthes. > Any questions? > > Heinrich > > >> Crew training is one issue that can't be rushed, nor can it be skimped >> on either. Assuming Zhelimu to Chabuga has just been fully dieselised >> - >> including the passenger - then this has taken quite some time to >> achieve >> (sorry, can't recall when the first DF4's arrived at Chabuga). >> Fuelling >> and servicing areas would need to be provided as well. >> >> Also bear in mind that these older DF4's don't seem to have multiple >> unit capability, and so one of the alleged advantages of dieselising >> Jing Peng section is lost. >> >> Time will of course tell and whatever happens it has been good while >> it >> lasted!!! >> >> Cheers >> Tim Arnot >> >> Ian Bowskill wrote: >>> Florian, >>> I don't doubt that the translation is correct, I'm just hoping that >>> JiTong management have made the error >>> and meant to put Daban - Chabuga. But what will be will be. In spite >>> of >>> the many other steam operations >>> in China, Jing Peng is simply the best. >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> On Tuesday, Mar 16, 2004, at 12:15 Europe/London, Florian Menius >>> wrote: >>>> Dear Ian, >>>> >>>> sorry, have to dissapoint you. The charakters were "Daban dao >>>> Haoluku", not "Daban dao Chabuga". >>>> >>>> In mourning.. >>>> >>>> FM >>>> >>>> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2642-1079481679-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 01:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2H0OQm7006636 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:24:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2H01Qf23140 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:01:26 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2642-1079481679-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 00:01:20 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99859 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 00:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 00:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 00:01:18 -0000 Received: from 66-44-1-229.s483.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.229] helo=S0028187519) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1B3OUm-0004cZ-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:01:17 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c40bb2$fab3d430$e5012c42@S0028187519> To: References: <40561813.22254.FCBA6C@localhost> <4056C4E3.CE698155@qj-country.de> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.62 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:01:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] JingPeng dieselisation Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 610 Hello all, It sounds as if there will be one more opportunity for summer steam photography on Jingpeng. Take a look at my August 2003 Jingpeng report on www.qj-country.de and the photos there. It's a beautiful place and I know a lot of you guys are better photographers than I am. Jingpeng steam in summer deserves a better photographic documentation than it has had to date. Also, remember there are probably dozens or maybe even hundreds of yet undiscovered steam locations in China in addition to the nearly 100 different locations we know now. It's been too easy for me to find new steam locations for there to not be a lot more. Based on all the information, I estimate around 700-1000 steam locomotives still active in China - more, I believe, than the rest of the world put together. There's got to be at least another three worthwhile years, even without the Ji-tong. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:12 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] JingPeng dieselisation > Hans Schaefer forwarded a Chinese message from Mr. HeLiWen/JiTaong > Management, dated March 6th 2004: > > Translated, it states (the correctness of the translation was confirmed > by Robin Gibbons): > * Zhelimu-Chabuga completely diesel as of March 15th 2004 (this was > yesterday...) > * Daban-Haoluku: complete dieselisation is to take place in the second > half of 2004! > > No comments neccessary - desastrous, if true ... > > Anyway, have a nice day! > > Florian Menius ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2646-1079518718-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 12:15:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2HBF3bi001942 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:15:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2HAIjf25578 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:18:45 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2646-1079518718-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 10:18:39 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37179 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 10:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 10:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 10:18:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 10:18:38 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c40be1$85c8e820$a6ef17cb@hib> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 219.116.51.69 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:18:36 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: JingPeng dieselisation Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 614 Hello all, Just for your information; I have traveled on passenger trains between Tongliao and Jingpeng on March 2 and 6. According to my window view, I found that 70 percents of trains from Zhelimu to Chabuga are still hauled by steam engines. (which are including passenger trains.) I am little doubt that the section between Zhelimu and Chabuga has been 100 percent dieselized as of March 15. Regards, Jun Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2647-1079531520-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 15:17:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2HEHi2R000774 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:17:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2HDq9f01049 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:52:10 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2647-1079531520-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 13:52:03 -0000 X-Sender: khojnacki@charter.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24598 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 13:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 13:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 13:51:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 13:50:28 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "ken hojnacki" X-Originating-IP: 218.8.164.69 X-Yahoo-Profile: kodtrak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:50:25 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Hecki and Huanan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 615 To follow up my previous post on Hechi, the missing engine number was 8576. Arrived at the Huanan Railway today. Visited the shops in late afternoon and saw the following: 043 was hot in the shop 041 was having what apparently passes as a hydro 168 with 011's tender and 011 with 168's tender were both in various states of disrepair. The hydro was being accomplished by a 3/4" copper line connected to the fountainhead with the other end connected to what looked like a large mop bucket filled with hot water. Two men worked a hand pump to build up pressure. I think they were only looking for leaks in fittings as I don't think they brought it up to over 1 bar. Of course I helped pump, too. 045 came in while we were in the shop. Another engine was out on the line, trapped by drifting snow in a cut. We are supposed to have a charter tomorrow but will depend on whether the wind stops so they shovel the cut out and use our engine to rescue the trapped one. Ken Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2648-1079555630-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 21:57:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2HKv1tV009136 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:57:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2HKY0f03341 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:34:02 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2648-1079555630-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2004 20:33:50 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83547 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 20:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 20:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 20:33:48 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.205.173]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040317203242.WXCL27661.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:32:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5F1D3B59-7852-11D8-A9D8-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.45 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:33:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Hechi and Huanan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 616 Ken, Have another look at your video. The highest numbered JS was probably 8423. There were never any 85xx numbers. Incidentally, when people quote numbers would they please identify the class as well as the running number. In case anyone wasn't aware, each class, or group of classes, has it's own number series. For instance, there's a QJ 6243, a JS 6243, a DF4 6243 etc. The number on it's own isn't enough. Thanks, Duncan On 17 Mar 2004, at 13:50, ken hojnacki wrote: > To follow up my previous post on Hechi, the missing engine number was > 8576. > > Arrived at the Huanan Railway today. Visited the shops in late > afternoon and saw the following: > > 043 was hot in the shop > 041 was having what apparently passes as a hydro > 168 with 011's tender and 011 with 168's tender were both in various > states of disrepair. > > The hydro was being accomplished by a 3/4" copper line connected to > the fountainhead with the other end connected to what looked like a > large mop bucket filled with hot water. Two men worked a hand pump > to build up pressure. I think they were only looking for leaks in > fittings as I don't think they brought it up to over 1 bar. Of > course I helped pump, too. > > 045 came in while we were in the shop. > > Another engine was out on the line, trapped by drifting snow in a > cut. We are supposed to have a charter tomorrow but will depend on > whether the wind stops so they shovel the cut out and use our engine > to rescue the trapped one. > > Ken > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 617 Clearly the Jitong is getting ready to dieselize. The big question is when and where. "On the scene" reports are going to become increasingly important. Fortunately there are a bunch of public computers in Reshui and elsewhere from which visitors can keep the rest of us informed. The problem with announcements from "management" is it will be difficult to determine whether they are talking about what they HOPE to do, what the PLAN is, or what has ACTUALLY happened. Up until now the reality has tended to lag the announced "plan", but once the railway gets the hang of it, things could move more quickly than "plan". So hopefully visitors will keep us informed as often as possible. One of the nice thingsabout the new Longquan Hotel in Reshui is they have two computers in the lobby where for 5 yuan per hour any visitor can keep the rest of us informed. And not have to seek out the internet cafe up the alley....which is even cheaper. So hopefully our little army of correspondents will tell us what is really happening. John West Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2651-1079672158-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 06:14:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2J5EPMP014434 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:14:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2J4u5f26044 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:56:05 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2651-1079672158-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2004 04:55:59 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34352 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2004 04:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2004 04:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.17) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2004 04:55:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:55:55 -0800 Received: from 61.134.118.138 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 04:55:55 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2004 04:55:55.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[76398020:01C40D6E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.17 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [61.134.118.138] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 04:55:55 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Satellite Ji-Tong Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 619 Six weeks ago I bought satellite imagery from the US Geological Service, using GPS data I obtained over several trips. I am going to offer either large prints (30" x 40") or disks for sale when I get back from China in early April. I was only going to buy Haoloku - Daban, but Hans Schaefer convinced me to also buy Daban - Chabuga. The files are mostly 30 m resolution with some (thermal band) as good as 15 m. There is a lot of photoshopping to do to meld these two files together to make one, along with other things such as a legend bar, scale in km, latitude and longitude marks, etc. I couldn't get it all done before I left, but it is a priority when I return home. I have sent full-resolution pictures of Haoloku, Daban, and Chabuga to Mike Allen. Perhaps if you e-mail him he can send them along to you. Hans says he can see a train west of Haoloku. The Chabuga area is very interesting. I have seen some places that I want to visit from looking at this data. The price for a print will be somewhere around $75 plus shipping. I will offer the original data on disk when I have sold enough prints to recoup a large portion of my investment. Ronald Olsen >What about satellite imaginery? >Are 30m online data available for this region? >It should be then possible to recognize clouds of steam. > >"Great Wall and steam over Daban Depot are the only arctificial >object seen from the space" ;-) > >Regards, >Mc > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2652-1079789781-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 14:38:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2KDblxf022325 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:38:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2KDb1f05756 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:37:02 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2652-1079789781-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 13:36:21 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17642 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 13:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 13:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 13:36:17 -0000 x-filtered: 1 Received: from macace.net[62.53.77.248] by mail_macace_net; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:36:16 +0000 Message-ID: <405C48B9.8030809@macace.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: ian bowskill <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:35:53 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jing Peng - The end? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i2KDblxf022325 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 620 Hi, This would appear to be very bad news indeed. Rgds Ian -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FW: The end? ETTS! Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 07:36:14 -0500 From: stuart lovell Hi everyone over there in Blighty: Since news travels fast nowadays, you may already know all this, but I'm forwarding it just in case. It is not good. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: MAllen9082@aol.com [mailto:MAllen9082@aol.com] Well, gang, I had to spread rumors and panic, but the message that follows does not look good! It comes from a reliable source, albeit third hand. My friend Helmut Dallhaus from Germany relayed this email from his friend Jrgen Rech who quotes a Dutch friend, recently returned from China. Jrgen appears to be talking about a German web discussion group. Helmut sent it to me in German and I've worked out a rough translation. Mike and Greg, your German is better than mine, so if you can clean it up a bit, I'd appreciate it. Hallo Fans, Mein Kollege Guus Ferree aus Holland ist vorgestern aus China zurck gekommen und bringt noch schlechtere Nachrichten mit in die Redaktion! Seit 15.3/16.3 werden sukzessive Mixtrains mit QJ und oder Diesel auch (!!!) bern Pass gefahren! Hierbei stellte sich auf Nachfrage heraus, das zumeist die (nagelneue) Diesel bergwrts aus Jing Peng (also die spektakulre West-Ost-Richtung) bis zum Scheitelbahnhof vorspannt und hernach zumeist Lz zurck nach JingPeng fuhr. Guus sprach am Telefon von mehreren nagelneuen Diesel! Der Chef vom Depot Daban sprach von 9 hier beheimateten Kisten! A rough translation from the German is: My colleague Guss Ferree from Holland returned from China the day before yesterday and brings still worse news into the discussion. Since March 15/16, successive trains with mixed QJ and or diesel have run over the pass. Placed here on demand, the mostly (brand new) diesels are used on the mountain grade from Jing Peng (the spectacular west-east direction) double heading from the bottom station up to the summit station and then run light engine back to Jing Peng. Guus spoke on the telephone of several brand-new diesels! The boss of the depot at Daban spoke of 9 resident boxes (diesels). I was hoping Han's report of dieselizing Daban to Haoluku was a misprint, but this does not look like it, unless this is just a test. Regards, Michael --- This message has been thoroughly scanned and is certified virus free by MacAce.net. --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2654-1079800202-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 17:51:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2KGp06v003981 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:51:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2KGUDf24297 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:30:14 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2654-1079800202-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 16:30:03 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52478 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 16:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 16:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 16:29:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 16:29:41 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <405C48B9.8030809@macace.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:29:40 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Jing Peng - The end? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 622 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, ian bowskill <34081@m...> wrote: > Hi, > This would appear to be very bad news indeed. > Well, I think we'd better give up hopes about April Fool's jokes, misinterpretations and difference between planning & reality..... At least most of us have been there quite often - it is even worse for the newcomers on this forum who were hoping to go there for the first time this summer or even next winter.... By the way, I am off to China for two weeks on April 18. Not Jingpeng, but probably just Meihekou & nanpiao. I could not resist the offer of a KLM ticket for Euro 326..... Anyone else going there in the same period?? ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2655-1079801981-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 18:16:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2KHG4NG005507 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:16:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2KGxlf27712 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:59:48 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2655-1079801981-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 16:59:42 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61356 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 16:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 16:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 16:59:38 -0000 x-filtered: 1 Received: from macace.net[62.53.77.248] by mail_macace_net; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:59:43 +0000 Message-ID: <405C7868.2050803@macace.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: ian bowskill <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:59:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Jing Peng - The end? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 623 Even if the boxes at Daban are mostly for traffic to the east, their appearance on the Pass is the beginning of the end. They may only be trial workings or crew training for now but I just can't see us getting one more winter of Jing Peng steam. How long before the Nanpiaos, Yuanbaoshans etc. go the same way? Rgds Ian ameling algra wrote: >--- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, ian bowskill <34081@m...> >wrote: > > >>Hi, >>This would appear to be very bad news indeed. >> >> >> >Well, I think we'd better give up hopes about April Fool's jokes, >misinterpretations and difference between planning & reality..... >At least most of us have been there quite often - it is even worse >for the newcomers on this forum who were hoping to go there for the >first time this summer or even next winter.... >By the way, I am off to China for two weeks on April 18. Not >Jingpeng, but probably just Meihekou & nanpiao. I could not resist >the offer of a KLM ticket for Euro 326..... Anyone else going there >in the same period?? > >ameling > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >. > > > --- This message has been thoroughly scanned and is certified virus free by MacAce.net. --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2656-1079810279-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 20:40:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2KJdsuF014228 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:40:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2KJIAf10476 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:18:11 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2656-1079810279-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 19:18:04 -0000 X-Sender: jbwest@att.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9400 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 19:17:56 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "John West" X-Originating-IP: 12.72.148.40 X-Yahoo-Profile: jbardinwest MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:17:55 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Using diesels on Jingpeng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 624 Unfortunately, given the better adhesion and higher starting tractive effort of diesels versus steam, using them on the steepest grades makes all kind of operating sense...as long as they can get to a diesel maintenance base occasionally. Absent the maintenance issues, logically Jingpeng should be the first place to go diesel, the flater sections of the railroad the last. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2657-1079810965-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 21:02:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2KK2CwA015401 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:02:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2KJTWf11641 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:29:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2657-1079810965-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 19:29:26 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12326 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 19:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 19:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 19:29:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 19:29:21 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.244 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:29:20 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Trains with 4 QJ on Jingpeng Pass Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 625 Hello all, Amazing news via Japan. 4 QJ are being used on at least some eastbound trains over Jingpeng Pass, 2 in front and 2 on the rear. See http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ for photos. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2659-1079815087-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 22:03:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2KL38Ui018621 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:03:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2KKcDf18630 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:38:14 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2659-1079815087-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 20:38:07 -0000 X-Sender: trevor@livesteaming.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12248 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 20:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 20:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 20:38:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 20:38:03 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <405CA57C.3020108@macace.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Trevor Heath" X-Originating-IP: 63.169.167.132 X-Yahoo-Profile: trevor2263 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:38:02 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Trains with 4 QJ on Jingpeng Pass Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 628 Scroll down, the photo's are there. Boy, what an unbelivable period in time. Diesels one minute and four loco's on one train the next. And.....in the same week, Steam has been seen on the 8 commuter trains a day out of Bulawayo, Zimbabwe. TH --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, ian bowskill <34081@m...> wrote: > Louis, > The link doesn't bring me to a picture but some sort of e-form to fill in. > > Rgds > Ian > > > notenfrog wrote: > > >Hello all, > > > >Amazing news via Japan. 4 QJ are being used on at least some > >eastbound trains over Jingpeng Pass, 2 in front and 2 on the rear. > > > >See > > > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ > > > >for photos. > > > >Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. > > > > > > > > > --- This message has been thoroughly scanned and is certified virus free by MacAce.net. --- Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2663-1079817803-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 22:38:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2KLcg7v020844 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:38:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2KLNUf22641 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:23:30 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2663-1079817803-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2004 21:23:23 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11638 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 21:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 21:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 21:23:22 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.77.248] by mail_macace_net; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:23:30 +0000 Message-ID: <405CB648.1020900@macace.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <20040320203824.21561.qmail@web12401.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040320203824.21561.qmail@web12401.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: IAN BOWSKILL <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:23:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Trains with 4 QJ on Jingpeng Pass Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 631 http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1079794185_1.jpg Further to earlier reply. Check this image - looks like 4 to me but train length doesn't seem to warrant it. Pair of locos at back instead of a light engine movement? IB dave longman wrote: >Ian > >It worked ok for me once I scrolled down the page a bit!! But none of the pictures showed 4 QJ's as far as I could tell but one double-header with a single banking engine. > >Dave Longman > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >. > > > --- This message has been thoroughly scanned and is certified virus free by MacAce.net. --- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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I think you will see that the train has two QJ pushing. At first I had the same impression that there was only one on the back, until I looked closer. The second pusher engine does not have as much exhaust as the first. The Japanese text clearly says four engines. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "IAN BOWSKILL" <34081@macace.net> To: Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Trains with 4 QJ on Jingpeng Pass > Thanks all. It was a browswer issue. Changed browsers and there they all > were. > Agree with Dave re only 3 visible but nice all the same. > > Rgds > Ian > > > > dave longman wrote: > > >Ian > > > >It worked ok for me once I scrolled down the page a bit!! But none of the pictures showed 4 QJ's as far as I could tell but one double-header with a single banking engine. > > > >Dave Longman Yahoo! 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March 20 started with a doubleheaded QJ train stopping in Xiakenzi and they seemed to be having some mechanical trouble. The air compressor was heard to be hammering away frequently while they were in the station. They started uphill and made it to Hadashan, very slowly. The following train which was very fast sent a loco to push on the rear to Shangdian and returned light later. No other banked trains have been seen so far. The pile of coal at Benhong jiwuduan was seen being loaded into trucks by a crew of men. All diesel west of Baiqi as reported by Bernd Seiler and others. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2675-1079909072-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 00:18:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2LNIstk003029 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:18:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2LMidf30715 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:44:39 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2675-1079909072-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 22:44:32 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15436 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 22:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 22:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 22:44:29 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HUY76200.8YR for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:44:26 +1100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <9df77a2c65.a2c659df77@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:44:26 +1100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Trains with 4 QJ on Jingpeng Pass Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 643 I would agree with the suggestion that an engine problem existing was the main cause of the use of extra engines. On my last day at Jingpeng 27/02 a double headed loaded east bound fully loaded coal train had a lot of trouble ascending the grades. It was really noticed at Biligou, with the lead engine doing most of the work. The train then stalled above tunnel brickworks valley outside tunnel 2. Waiting at Shandian most of us were expecting an assistant engine would be needed. But, after some time the train strugggled up into Shandian & onwards to the east. I noted this train was really struggling owing as against others that also had the full loads of coal in the open wagaons. This may well have been because of one crook engine or over loaded coal in the wagons or a combination of both. In fact it was the first time I had really seen the QJ's extended in their working. Whilst one was definately not working to its capacity, the other was, & it was a sight to see & hear. While each wagon does have a specified load limit with it, that does not stop more being loaded than is supposed too. I know its happened here in Aus & no doubt happens everywhere else. I doubt if the industrious Chinese are not up to this game either, especially when you see the overloading of road vehicles. I can remember a case over here where a train load of Centurian tanks were listed as light gun carriers, & the crew struggled some how for around 85 KM's from Sydney with an old 4.6.0 before coming to a stand. The load should have had 2 engines, but the load & therefore sums were added up wrongly. (glad I was not firing the engine at the time) As I looked at the photo's, there is little doubt that the engines are not working to their capacity as the exhausts of the engines are fairly low. Besides this it looked nice, & maybe that is what we will learn to have good memories of a hill that provided us with much joy into this century. Colin Hussey ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Cotterill Date: Monday, March 22, 2004 7:07 am Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Trains with 4 QJ on Jingpeng Pass > > > > > Loius, > > > > OK, you're right about the way the locos are facing. Delete > westbound, > > insert eastbound. The train is still too short to warrant 4 locos > > unless something is wrong with the train engines. Ore may be heavy > but > > the 21 ton axleload still applies. A loaded ore wagon won't weigh > any > > more than a loaded coal wagon. As Ameling says, this was a lucky, > one > > off, event. > > > > Duncan > > > > On 20 Mar 2004, at 22:36, Cerny wrote: > > > > > Duncan Cotterill > > > > > > The backers appear to me to be facing eastbound, the same as > the > > > engines in > > > front. Am I missing something? > > > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Duncan Cotterill" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 5:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Trains with 4 QJ on Jingpeng Pass > > > > > > > > >> The train isn't long enough to warrant 4 locos and the > bankers are > > >> facing the wrong way. > > >> > > >> My guess is that there's a problem with one of the train > engines and > > >> the bankers have been commandeered off a westbound to to > give them a > > >> shove up to Shangdian. I've seen this once before when an > eastbound > >> stalled on Simingyi Viaduct and the lead engine of the > following train > > >> was detached to bank the failure to Shangdian. > > >> > > >> I seem to remember that the weather then was as dire as > in these > > >> photos. > > >> > > >> Duncan > > >> > > >> On 20 Mar 2004, at 19:29, notenfrog wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hello all, > > >>> > > >>> Amazing news via Japan. 4 QJ are being used on at > least some > > >>> eastbound trains over Jingpeng Pass, 2 in front and 2 > on the rear. > > >>> > > >>> See > > >>> > > >>> http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ > > >>> > > >>> for photos. > > >>> > > >>> Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2676-1079911125-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 00:29:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2LNTHmq003385 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:29:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2LNIqf00455 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:18:52 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2676-1079911125-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2004 23:18:46 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60397 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 23:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 23:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 23:18:41 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.205.173]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040321231758.RXND14417.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:17:58 +0000 Message-Id: <16DB4026-7B8E-11D8-B4CB-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> To: Steam_In_China ~ X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.42 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:18:40 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Steam on Video Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 644 I've added four video clips from Bryan Acford to my website. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2678-1079934205-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 06:52:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2M5qKsG014558 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:52:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2M5hWf21351 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:43:32 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2678-1079934205-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 05:43:26 -0000 X-Sender: khojnacki@charter.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15964 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 05:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 05:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 05:43:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 05:43:24 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "ken hojnacki" X-Originating-IP: 221.199.159.174 X-Yahoo-Profile: kodtrak MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:43:22 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JiTong Report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 646 I don't know where all the diesels are supposed to be. We drove from Tongliao to Chabuga on the afternoon of the 20th, saw one passenger train and three freights, all steam powered. One eastbound freight did have a steamer dead in tow, QJ 6854 about back halfway in the consist. It had rods removed. On Sunday, 3/21, the 7am eastbound passenger from Chabuga was steam as was the late morning eastbound passenger caught west of Chabuga was steam, along with a number of freights that were steam power. A quick look into the depot in Chabuga on the 21st revealed no diesels, although we didn't go right into the depot. Daban depot was as normal, including two engines beautiful ex-works. We certainly get no feeling of gloom and doom around here. All engines are in fine external fettle, and there are no signs of any change happening. Today, 3/22, we saw 4 trains climbing the loops behind our hotel in Reshui. All steam. We went out on the line and saw two eastbounds and a westbound freight as the snow began to fall. At Jing Peng, there were two light engines that left westbound. So our JiTong score so far is Steam: too many to count; Diesels: 0. Will be heading back out this afternoon. And now, we turn this program over to Jim Hutzler with "official" JiTong News Update. Well, not completely official, but the word is that: 1) 10 diesels are on order to be delivered toward the end of the year (present Chabuga-Zhelimu diesel locos are LEASED from Tongliao) 2) No decision has been made on dieselization beyond the Chabuga- Zhelimu section, which has the official diesel conversion date as April 1. It appears that the 4/1 date aim will not happen. 3) Diesel driver training for engine drivers on any section, other than Chabuga-Zhelimu, has not commenced. Hope this chears everybody up! Thanks, Jim, for your sterling report. And now, as the snow continues to fall in beautiful downtown Reshui, we will sign off and head back to the pass, expecting no infernal combustion locomotives to mar our steam holiday. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2681-1079951007-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 12:23:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2MBNf4P027894 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:23:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2MANYf06750 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:23:35 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2681-1079951007-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 10:23:28 -0000 X-Sender: davidoff5181@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43820 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 10:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 10:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.49.15) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 10:23:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 02:20:05 -0800 Received: from 213.224.83.103 by by14fd.bay14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:20:04 GMT X-Originating-Email: [davidoff5181@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davidoff5181@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2004 10:20:05.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E54F370:01C40FF7] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.49.15 From: "Dave Davidoff" X-Originating-IP: [213.224.83.103] X-Yahoo-Profile: dave_habraken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:20:04 +0100 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] JiTong Report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 649 Hello; >Well, not completely official, but the word is that: > >1) 10 diesels are on order to be delivered toward the end of the year >(present Chabuga-Zhelimu diesel locos are LEASED from Tongliao) >2) No decision has been made on dieselization beyond the Chabuga- >Zhelimu section, which has the official diesel conversion date as >April 1. It appears that the 4/1 date aim will not happen. >3) Diesel driver training for engine drivers on any section, other >than Chabuga-Zhelimu, has not commenced. I can also add some "non-official" information from a guide known by many of you (Tina) that I received today: "I'm also pretty worrying about the bad news of diesels.I've asked several people from Jitong Line.They said that they have this plan but they don't think the plan will fulfil in such short time due to the money." Of course, the only moment that we're sure will be the moment it's all over (snif) but let's stay reasonable: I think they will start dieselisation at JingPeng some months from now but there is a difference between starting it and stop using steam engins. They have to cope some problems, so it will probably take longer then "they" want to. Of course, this really isn't good news at all. I was planning to go there with a group of Belgian railway fans from our museum organisation at the end of this year but I think we'll have to find another main attraction (Hechi?). About the diesel engine seen last week: I would be really surprised if they would not do some tests before using diesels permanently. The line is not so easy to cope with so they will have to do some performing tests to know how to use the diesels and what to expect from them I suppose. I think this was one of those tests or something like that. Let's hope, the results are not so good. Let's hope for the best and expect the worst... Regards, Dave Habraken >Hope this chears everybody up! > >Thanks, Jim, for your sterling report. And now, as the snow >continues to fall in beautiful downtown Reshui, we will sign off and >head back to the pass, expecting no infernal combustion locomotives >to mar our steam holiday. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Je horoscoop al gelezen? http://www.msn.be/horoscoop ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2682-1079965641-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 15:43:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2MEh2b2028289 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:43:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2MERnf23727 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:27:49 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2682-1079965641-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2004 14:27:29 -0000 X-Sender: stuartlovell@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6688 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 14:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 14:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.120) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 14:27:22 -0000 Received: from 1cust107.tnt22.bos2.da.uu.net ([67.242.203.107] helo=js3lk01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B5QOf-0001G4-00; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:27:21 -0800 To: Message-ID: <000301c41019$dd7e8660$6bcbf243@js3lk01> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.120 From: "stuart lovell" X-Yahoo-Profile: toorwaterpoort MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:27:53 -0500 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JiTong Photographs Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 650 The DF4 scare from JingPeng prompted me to scan a bunch more photos from my November 2003 visit onto the 'RailPictures.Net' website - I have put about sixty JiTong shots on there now. Just go to the website. http://www.railpictures.net/ then use the search engine given that 'photographer' equals 'Stuart Lovell'. Enjoy! Stuart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2683-1080004554-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 02:26:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2N1Pr7d019186 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 02:26:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2N1G1f11745 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 02:16:01 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2683-1080004554-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 01:15:55 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45515 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2004 01:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2004 01:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2004 01:15:48 -0000 Received: from 66-44-3-105.s867.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.105] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1B5aWB-00056L-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:15:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c41074$5f520cc0$69032c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:15:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] JiTong Report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 651 Hello all, In these and previous messages, I don't recall hearing about Baiqi-Haoluku. What are the plans for diesels there? Also, the Sanggendali-Zhenglan Qi branch is supposed to open south from Sanggendalai in 2005. Has anyone visited any construction operations there? Are QJ used on construction trains? Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Davidoff" To: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:20 AM Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] JiTong Report > Hello; > > >Well, not completely official, but the word is that: > > > >1) 10 diesels are on order to be delivered toward the end of the year > >(present Chabuga-Zhelimu diesel locos are LEASED from Tongliao) > >2) No decision has been made on dieselization beyond the Chabuga- > >Zhelimu section, which has the official diesel conversion date as > >April 1. It appears that the 4/1 date aim will not happen. > >3) Diesel driver training for engine drivers on any section, other > >than Chabuga-Zhelimu, has not commenced. > > I can also add some "non-official" information from a guide known by many of > you (Tina) that I received today: > > "I'm also pretty worrying about the bad news of diesels.I've asked several > people from Jitong Line.They said that they have this plan but they don't > think the plan will fulfil in such short > time due to the money." > > > Of course, the only moment that we're sure will be the moment it's all over > (snif) but let's stay reasonable: I think they will start dieselisation at > JingPeng some months from now but there is a difference between starting it > and stop using steam engins. They have to cope some problems, so it will > probably take longer then "they" want to. Of course, this really isn't good > news at all. I was planning to go there with a group of Belgian railway > fans from our museum organisation at the end of this year but I think we'll > have to find another main attraction (Hechi?). > > About the diesel engine seen last week: I would be really surprised if they > would not do some tests before using diesels permanently. The line is not > so easy to cope with so they will have to do some performing tests to know > how to use the diesels and what to expect from them I suppose. I think this > was one of those tests or something like that. Let's hope, the results are > not so good. > > Let's hope for the best and expect the worst... > > Regards, > Dave Habraken > > >Hope this chears everybody up! > > > >Thanks, Jim, for your sterling report. And now, as the snow > >continues to fall in beautiful downtown Reshui, we will sign off and > >head back to the pass, expecting no infernal combustion locomotives > >to mar our steam holiday. Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2686-1080149705-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 19:07:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2OI7fMa012993 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:07:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2OHZCf24725 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:35:12 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2686-1080149705-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 17:35:05 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97307 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 17:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 17:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 17:34:59 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.79.124] by mail_macace_net; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:28:19 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <8DAE76B0-7DB8-11D8-B5B1-000393B974AC@macace.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: Ian Bowskill <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:27:41 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Photographs Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 654 Hi, For some images of steam in China, please visit http://34081.fotopic.net I will add more as time allows Rgds Ian --- This message has been thoroughly scanned and is certified virus free by MacAce.net. --- ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2687-1080180191-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 03:15:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2P2FD4g014576 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:15:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2P23Of21445 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:03:24 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2687-1080180191-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2004 02:03:12 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90412 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2004 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2004 01:27:34 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.2.239 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:27:33 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam in the Far Northwest of China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 655 Hello all, I have received confirmation via Sun Xiaolan, transmitting information from a friend, that there is still active steam in the Urumqi area in far northwestern China. Though the information isn't clear, it appears there is a 70 km line using steam to an open pit coal mine in the general vicinity of Urumqi. It appears likely to me that this is the Heishan Coal Mine. Since this is a long trip to make on such flimsy data, perhaps there is some Chinese railfan familiar with this area that could pass on the information. My understanding is that some of the area near Urumqi is quite mountainous, so the potential for a Zungeer equivalent or maybe better seems to exist. While on this area of the country, my records show that at Hami, about 550 km east of Urumqi along the railroad, there were JS and JF operating as part of a coal operation in the late 1990's, but no further mention has come to my attention. A recent article in a professional coal publication stated the coal field at Hami still has about 7.2 billion tons of coal in the ground. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2688-1080313451-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 16:38:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2QFbakC025563 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:38:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2QF57f15837 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:05:07 +0100 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2688-1080313451-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 15:04:12 -0000 X-Sender: webotkin@ecentral.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18279 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2004 15:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2004 15:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2004 15:04:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2004 15:04:08 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "webotkin" X-Originating-IP: 204.32.195.233 X-Yahoo-Profile: webotkin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:04:07 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Update on Steam Future - Jitong Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 656 Folks, Here is a reply I received yesterday from Xue Jun Liu, the noted steam guide from Chengde CTS, regarding the prognosis of steam on the JItong Railway: "I visited Daban shed today and tolk about that with No 1 leader. I got good information:Steam is still running this winter.Beause No diesel driver in Dban -- Haoluku. steam driver became diesel Driver would be need use 7 month,Also Jitong railway want to use 3 month built one school from next month where let some worker to study how to driving diesel,so 3months+7months=11 months.if possible Jitong railway will change diesel next year Jan,but only some Diesel ,most will be running steam too,so Jitong railway will use 3 year finish steam. Chabuga-- Daban will keep 2 more year. Daban--Haoluku will finish steam next summer at least. Haoluku --Baiqi Will keep steam 2 more year. However I can go to Daban every month this year,so i will e-mail you on time." Bill Botkin Centennial, Colorado Best wishes yours:jun ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2691-1080470968-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 13:06:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2SB6GrG013475 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:06:19 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2SAnYf13592 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:49:35 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2691-1080470968-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2004 10:49:28 -0000 X-Sender: pcc7407@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95768 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 10:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 10:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out007.verizon.net) (206.46.170.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 10:49:27 -0000 Received: from computer ([141.156.166.20]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040328104925.UFVK28276.out007.verizon.net@computer> for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 04:49:25 -0600 Message-ID: <007201c414b2$686e2680$0348fea9@computer> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [141.156.166.20] at Sun, 28 Mar 2004 04:49:24 -0600 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.107 From: "James Hutzler" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 05:49:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] JiTong Report Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 659 Just returned from China. Still a great place to visit, and the Jitong line continues to be nothing short of magic considering that this is the year 2004! In addition to my previous report regarding dieselization rumors, here is an update on the diesel helper test on Jingpeng Pass that took place a couple of weeks ago. It appears that the idea is to possibly use a diesel helper from Jingpeng to Shangdian, eliminating the need for double-heading in some cases. Needless to say, this will be a great disaster if it happens. There certainly appears to be a locomotive shortage, as traffic levels are quite high. I presume that they are also considering steam helpers as well, but this could have been a test that may not have been readily visible to the casual visitor. We witnessed last week a couple of interesting moves, including an eastbound double-header running to Shangdian, dropping the lead engine back to Jingpeng, which then immediately piloted the next (single-headed) train all the way from Jingpeng to (I presume) Daban. Another move had a lead eastbound engine dropped at Shangdian and attached to the rear of a short westbound freight back down to Jingpeng, push-pull style! More information on the possible Jingpeng Pass helper situation gleaned by current visitors would be most appreciated! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Davidoff To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:20 AM Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] JiTong Report Hello; >Well, not completely official, but the word is that: > >1) 10 diesels are on order to be delivered toward the end of the year >(present Chabuga-Zhelimu diesel locos are LEASED from Tongliao) >2) No decision has been made on dieselization beyond the Chabuga- >Zhelimu section, which has the official diesel conversion date as >April 1. It appears that the 4/1 date aim will not happen. >3) Diesel driver training for engine drivers on any section, other >than Chabuga-Zhelimu, has not commenced. I can also add some "non-official" information from a guide known by many of you (Tina) that I received today: "I'm also pretty worrying about the bad news of diesels.I've asked several people from Jitong Line.They said that they have this plan but they don't think the plan will fulfil in such short time due to the money." Of course, the only moment that we're sure will be the moment it's all over (snif) but let's stay reasonable: I think they will start dieselisation at JingPeng some months from now but there is a difference between starting it and stop using steam engins. They have to cope some problems, so it will probably take longer then "they" want to. Of course, this really isn't good news at all. I was planning to go there with a group of Belgian railway fans from our museum organisation at the end of this year but I think we'll have to find another main attraction (Hechi?). About the diesel engine seen last week: I would be really surprised if they would not do some tests before using diesels permanently. The line is not so easy to cope with so they will have to do some performing tests to know how to use the diesels and what to expect from them I suppose. I think this was one of those tests or something like that. Let's hope, the results are not so good. Let's hope for the best and expect the worst... Regards, Dave Habraken >Hope this chears everybody up! > >Thanks, Jim, for your sterling report. And now, as the snow >continues to fall in beautiful downtown Reshui, we will sign off and >head back to the pass, expecting no infernal combustion locomotives >to mar our steam holiday. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Je horoscoop al gelezen? http://www.msn.be/horoscoop Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2692-1080475799-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 14:17:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2SCHpeB017786 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:17:55 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2SCA5f22853 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:10:05 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2692-1080475799-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2004 12:09:59 -0000 X-Sender: whodom2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25973 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 12:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 12:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 12:09:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2004 12:09:58 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Hugh Odom" X-Originating-IP: 65.87.143.214 X-Yahoo-Profile: whodom2001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:09:56 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] OT- Steam Instated on Commuter Trains in Zimbabwe Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 660 I saw this news item on the SAR Yahoo group and thought some here might be interested: http://allafrica.com/stories/200403230184.html I found a few more details on Geoff Cooke's "Trains & Treasures" website (no affiliation): "22 March 2004 Zimbabwe. Bulawayo Commuter Trains return to steam. Good news for anyone thinking of booking on the Garratt Safari to Zimbabwe in May. The National Railways of Zimbabwe last week started running the Bulawayo commuter service with Garratts. 15th and 16A Class locomotives have been regular performers and a 20th Class has been tried. With 8 departures each day Monday to Friday and 4 on Saturdays, this will be a significant bonus to the May tour." Read more at: http://www.geoffs-trains.com/ Regards, Hugh Odom The Ultimate Steam Page http://www.trainweb.org/tusp ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2693-1080487064-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 17:32:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2SFTOrX028410 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:32:22 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2SFHqf12559 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:17:52 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2693-1080487064-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2004 15:17:44 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15482 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 15:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 15:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fep01-svc.swip.net) (130.244.199.129) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 15:17:42 -0000 Received: from mta-int.swip.net ([192.168.145.15]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20040328151735.QAFY24688.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:17:35 +0200 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <20040328151735.QAFY24688.fep01-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 130.244.199.129 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [193.217.193.155] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:17:35 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng helper service, clarification Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 661 On Jitong line, two engines area necessary on the following parts of the line: Linxi to Shangian Jingpeng to Baiyinwula Jingpeng to Shangdian The only reason to return engines from Shangdian to Jingpeng for helper service is an overweight of eastbound traffic. Westbound trains will need two engines anyway, most of the time, and two engines have to return eastwards then. As to the diesel testing, that has been done two years ago where one DF4D hauled 2350 tons over the pass, i.e. a 2100 tons freight plus a QJ. Thus they already know that one DF4 can handle the load. However, they concluded it was more economical to use steam anyway. To have a diesel at Jingpeng for helper service would not make sense, as the trains do not need two engines anywhere else on their way from Haoluku to Daban. Yours, Hans Schaefer ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2699-1080570540-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 17:02:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2TF2ZAU005337 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:02:36 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2TET9f04710 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:29:09 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2699-1080570540-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2004 14:29:02 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2056 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 14:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 14:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 14:28:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:28:57 -0800 Received: from 219.159.39.85 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:28:56 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2004 14:28:57.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B774480:01C4159A] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.12 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [219.159.39.85] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:28:56 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Meijiaping Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 667 Anyone wishing to find new steam lines would do well to start at Meijiaping. When I visited this small but busy shop near Xi'an I learned that they overhauled locos for Tongchuan as well as their own. While at Yima I was told that these too went to Meijiaping for repair, and I suspect that the Xin An Coal Railway also uses their services. Is there any other shop in China that repairs QJ, JS, JF, and SY locomotives ? Asking a few questions here might reveal some undiscovered steam locations. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2700-1080583820-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 20:22:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2TIManZ024356 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:22:47 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2TIARf10698 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:10:27 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2700-1080583820-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2004 18:10:21 -0000 X-Sender: jabschweitzer@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13606 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 18:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 18:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14004.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.120) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 18:10:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20040329180544.8044.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.123.45.211] by web14004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:05:44 PST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1080575773.149.22499.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.175.120 From: Jim Schweitzer X-Yahoo-Profile: jabschweitzer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:05:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Jingpeng helper service, clarification Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 668 The basic problem is that it takes two QJs to haul a standard tonnage train of some 25-30 cars uphill westbound from Linxi to Haoloku. This is a major portion of the Daban-Haoloku crew district. Eastbound trains require less power except for the relatively short climb from Jing Peng to Shangdian. Eastbound helpers would let the JiTong use fewer total engines for eastbound movements. This is no savings because they need the engines in Daban for the westbound slog anyway. There also would be the added congestion of getting light engines down from Shangdian to Jing Peng on a line that is already fairly congested with traffic. This is assuming that tonnage is roughly equal in both directions. I have no info on that aspect of the JiTong. Jim Schweitzer Farmingdale, NY, USA P.S. I am very happy that the last mainline steam in the world is finishing up with all flags flying, not lingering on a remote branchline with one train a day. It seems right somehow. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2705-1080808194-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 10:54:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i318sgbJ000377 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:54:47 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i318U1f02752 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:30:01 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2705-1080808194-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2004 08:29:55 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45705 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 08:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 08:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-06.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 08:29:53 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-219-132.arcor-ip.net [212.144.219.132]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 64BB59C2F9 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:29:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008e01c417c3$77e03360$84db90d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.46 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:12:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Update on Steam Future - Jitong Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i318sgbJ000377 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 673 Hi, back from India (my website will be updated today late in the evening with a gallery about Riga, tour report follows soon) I got the following information about JiTong yesterday: Um 17 Uhr (Ortszeit) verlsst der letzte Dampfzug Jing Peng ber den Pass!!! Ab morgen sollen nur noch Diesel zum Einsatz auf der westlichen Route kommen!!! Translation: At 17.00 hrs (local time) leaves the final steam train Jingpeng (over the pass). From tomorrow (i.e. 01.04.2004) they'll use diesel on the western section exclusively. This message is from Tina (Chifeng). Hopefully an April joke, but is was sent yesterday (March 31st) so it seems to be true. I'm going to make a telephone call to China today or tomorrow. Best, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: webotkin To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Update on Steam Future - Jitong Railway Folks, Here is a reply I received yesterday from Xue Jun Liu, the noted steam guide from Chengde CTS, regarding the prognosis of steam on the JItong Railway: "I visited Daban shed today and tolk about that with No 1 leader. I got good information:Steam is still running this winter.Beause No diesel driver in Dban -- Haoluku. steam driver became diesel Driver would be need use 7 month,Also Jitong railway want to use 3 month built one school from next month where let some worker to study how to driving diesel,so 3months+7months=11 months.if possible Jitong railway will change diesel next year Jan,but only some Diesel ,most will be running steam too,so Jitong railway will use 3 year finish steam. Chabuga-- Daban will keep 2 more year. Daban--Haoluku will finish steam next summer at least. Haoluku --Baiqi Will keep steam 2 more year. However I can go to Daban every month this year,so i will e-mail you on time." Bill Botkin Centennial, Colorado Best wishes yours:jun [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2706-1080809844-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 11:26:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i319QMge006027 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:26:23 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i318vUf08513 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:57:30 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2706-1080809844-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2004 08:57:24 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 943 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 08:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 08:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-01.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 08:57:21 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-009-166.arcor-ip.net [212.144.9.166]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 13312BAC11E for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:57:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00bd01c417c7$4e8f9560$84db90d4@farrail> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.41 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:56:34 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JiTong: Nothing is for sure Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i319QMge006027 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 674 Just called Zhao Yang. Latest news from Jingpeng. Zhao Yang was there from March 28 - 28 and saw not a single diesel engine at the pass. In the depot of Daban were only four QJ under steam. Not a single DF4 was spotted! She talk to the manager in Daban. Chabuga - Zhelingmu diesel from April 1st. Benhon - Baiqi no plans for further dieselisation within the next months, still at least four QJ for this line under steam daily (one for the passenger). Seems to be diesel only if there are a limited number of freight trains. No plans for dieselisation Daban - Haoluku before June. It is expected that steam over the pass fades out in next winter. As I trust in the statement of Zhao Yang - what shall I beleive in now? Very irritated about the recent news, Bernd (PS: I'll be in Reshui mid April, my next China trip starts April 8th) Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernd Seiler To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Update on Steam Future - Jitong Railway Hi, back from India (my website will be updated today late in the evening with a gallery about Riga, tour report follows soon) I got the following information about JiTong yesterday: Um 17 Uhr (Ortszeit) verlsst der letzte Dampfzug Jing Peng ber den Pass!!! Ab morgen sollen nur noch Diesel zum Einsatz auf der westlichen Route kommen!!! Translation: At 17.00 hrs (local time) leaves the final steam train Jingpeng (over the pass). From tomorrow (i.e. 01.04.2004) they'll use diesel on the western section exclusively. This message is from Tina (Chifeng). Hopefully an April joke, but is was sent yesterday (March 31st) so it seems to be true. I'm going to make a telephone call to China today or tomorrow. Best, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: webotkin To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Update on Steam Future - Jitong Railway Folks, Here is a reply I received yesterday from Xue Jun Liu, the noted steam guide from Chengde CTS, regarding the prognosis of steam on the JItong Railway: "I visited Daban shed today and tolk about that with No 1 leader. I got good information:Steam is still running this winter.Beause No diesel driver in Dban -- Haoluku. steam driver became diesel Driver would be need use 7 month,Also Jitong railway want to use 3 month built one school from next month where let some worker to study how to driving diesel,so 3months+7months=11 months.if possible Jitong railway will change diesel next year Jan,but only some Diesel ,most will be running steam too,so Jitong railway will use 3 year finish steam. Chabuga-- Daban will keep 2 more year. Daban--Haoluku will finish steam next summer at least. Haoluku --Baiqi Will keep steam 2 more year. However I can go to Daban every month this year,so i will e-mail you on time." Bill Botkin Centennial, Colorado Best wishes yours:jun [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2712-1080872082-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 2 04:20:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (IDENT:root@real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i322JORH018732 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:20:29 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i322Eof24463 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:14:51 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2712-1080872082-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2004 02:14:43 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49850 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 02:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 02:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 02:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2004 02:14:07 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.1.73 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 02:14:07 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Newly Discovered Steam line in Urumqi Area Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 680 Hello all, First of all, this is not my April Fool's joke. On the Japanese Steam in China website message board seems to be on answer (if my poor Japanese translation is correct) to my March 24 message to this group about a possible steam line in the vicinity of the far northwestern Chinese city Urumqi. It seems to talk about an 85km line (maybe with 2 additional branches) with 28 active steam locomotives of QJ and JS types. Can any english-speaking Japanese railfan confirm this and give us more details? This could be the best China steam news since when Japanese railfans found the Zhungeer line in 2002. Louis Cerny Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2713-1080896425-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 2 12:47:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i32AlZbL007390 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:47:36 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3290id15795 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:00:58 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2713-1080896425-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2004 09:00:27 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2903 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 09:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2004 09:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (81.3.106.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 09:00:24 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.78.42] by winnie2; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:59:31 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <09D02CEA-8484-11D8-AC4A-000A95D80B1E@macace.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 81.3.106.25 From: Ian Bowskill <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:59:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam on Jingpeng Pass - Report March 26-28 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i32AlZbL007390 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 681 Hi, Reports are ever more confusing. Steam Railway magazine has a vested interest in how long steam lasts over the pass as they organise railtours to the area. Their latest report - admittedly a few days old due to press deadlines - states the following : "Steam over Jing Peng Pass should last one more winter but enthusiasts wanting to cover the whole route should get there as soon as possible. Passenger tarins on the central section will survive with QJ's for the time being, according to an analysis of the line's steam elimination plans. Speculation about the future of the railway - some of it accurate, much of it less so - is a major problem in reporting news from the line. The managers of the railway have been open about their steam elimination plans however and their latest summary follows. Although no new diesels will be bought this year, older DF4's will be leased from CNR. These are to be used to completely eliminate steam between Zhelimu and Chabuga by April 1st. Freight traffic on this section is already more or less diesel and only the passenger remains a regular QJ duty, which will be the last to go diesel. Baiqi to Benhong is the next section to receive DF4's. This section is already part dieselised but Baiqi still has 6 QJ's for freight duties and two QJ's for the passenger trains on this section. The depot will retain 20 QJ's for all trains to Haoluku, while displaced QJ's will move to Daban. So later in 2004 steam will be concentrated on the central section of the railway : Chabuga - Daban - Haoluku - Baiqi. From Spring 2005 diesels will be introduced to replace the remaining steam. This should be complete by the end of 2005 or early 2006. Daban - Haoluku will be the last steam section." Make of this what you will gentlemen. Rgds Ian On Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 05:56 PM, ulrichnowak wrote: > Hello there, > I just got back from an 11 day trip (mainly not steam related) to > china. However, at the end of that trip I was able to squeze in a > couple of days at the Pass. > More or less I can confirm what Zhao Yang (our guide for the 3 days > at the pass) stated to Bernd Seiler over phone: > 26.03.04 Daban (about 10:30 to 12:00) > Very pleasant temperatures, must have been around + 15C > Not a single Diesel in the depot nor in the yard/station > Only 6 QJ in steam (4 at the coal yard, 2 at the shed area-not > noticed by Zhao Yang) > Remaining Locos on line duty...?? > 2 more QJ arrived on eastbound freight when we left the depot > On way to Reshui saw another double headed eastbound freight... > In Afternoon whether conditions changed badly (strong wind arose, > clouds) so we just noticed 3 more eastbound and 1 westbound freight > from out of our hotel rooms in the new Longquan Hotel before it went > totally dark... > Over the next two days nothing special to report regarding to steam > operation. Heavy traffic, mainly eastbound. Whether during morning > hours (sun on Reshui side as of about 06.00) quite ok (even with > white smoke visible). At around noon time on 27 as well as 28 (to a > slightly lesser extent) heavy sandstorms started preventing us from > taking any other pictures... that sandstorm was mentioned in an front > page article in the "China Daily" on March 29 when we arrived back in > Beijing.... that says it all... > Zhao Yang talked to the Manager in Daban who stated that Jingpeng Pass > won't be dieseliszed before June this year (Hmm, not really long time > to go...) and that he personally expects the line to be dieselized > during winter 2004/2005... > Hope this clarifies a bit > Regards > Uli > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2715-1080982612-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Apr 3 11:04:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3394iPr007741 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:04:54 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i338uwp22445 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:56:59 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2715-1080982612-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2004 08:56:52 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24864 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2004 08:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2004 08:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-05.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2004 08:56:50 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-067-217.arcor-ip.net [145.254.67.217]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A7A2A4CE16 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000901c41959$991fd340$d943fe91@farrail> To: References: <20040328211038.IRSC12365.fep04-svc.swip.net@mta-int.swip.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.45 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:56:16 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng still under steam Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 683 Yesterday, April 1st, Jingpeng saw 100 % steam (confirmed and for sure!). The information about "the last train March 31st, 17.00 hrs" was a bad April joke. According to the yesterday's statement of Daban's management there is no change planned until end of March/beginning of June. So enjoy steam at the pass for another several weeks! Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2716-1081079282-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 4 14:06:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i34C6WIc001616 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 14:06:33 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i34Bm8p11155 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:09 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2716-1081079282-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2004 11:48:02 -0000 X-Sender: david.thornhill1@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48967 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 11:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2004 11:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 11:48:00 -0000 Received: from ecotravel ([81.109.162.79]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040404114740.JCWF17631.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ecotravel> for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:47:40 +0100 Message-ID: <008501c41a3a$6f892220$4fa26d51@ecotravel> To: References: <09D02CEA-8484-11D8-AC4A-000A95D80B1E@macace.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.41 From: "David Thornhill" X-Yahoo-Profile: worlddiesel MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:45:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam on Jingpeng Pass - Report March 26-28 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 684 This is latest e-mail from China and will form basis of news in Steam Railway no. 296, which is not that different to SR295, i.e. most of the wild rumours circulating here will be ignored. David "Yes, it was true that 1 diesel was running on Mar 15! This was only a TEST running-like a few years ago(2001), Jitong did the same! After that, I did receive many emails by asking the situation on Jingpeng Pass- so I checked with Jitong Headquater and also I checked with the director of Daban Depot: The planning section of Jitong headquater said: they plan to buy 9 diesels in 2004 this year, but so far nobody knows when the 9 diesels arrive! They also said there is no definite plannings to put the 9 diesles on which section when the diesels are arrived! Also, it is an rumour that Daban has 9 diesels already! So far no! The Daban director says the diesels might be at Daban at the end of 2004! He also told me that 2004 is still all right to see steams on Jingpeng Pass! Zhelimu/Chabuga: the situation is still the same as in Feb/Mar, 2004!!! The training class for diesel drivers are not yet started till today! Jitong also told me that steams will be vanished by 2006!!! That is the latest!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Bowskill" <34081@macace.net> To: Sent: 02 April 2004 09:59 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam on Jingpeng Pass - Report March 26-28 Hi, Reports are ever more confusing. Steam Railway magazine has a vested interest in how long steam lasts over the pass as they organise railtours to the area. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2719-1081223716-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 6 06:07:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3647D19020434 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 06:07:31 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i363uop07515 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:56:52 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2719-1081223716-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2004 03:56:37 -0000 X-Sender: chinatt@eudoramail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94297 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 02:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 02:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO whowhere.com) (209.202.220.219) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 02:09:04 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:08:47 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 159.157.251.43 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.202.220.219 From: "Duncan Peattie" X-Yahoo-Profile: duncanpeattie MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:08:47 0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway Timetable - New (April 2004) Edition Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 687 I have been able to obtain sufficient information to update my Quick Reference Timetable to the new timetable which will come into force on Sunday 18 April. I am working on the update at the moment and expect to have it ready by Wednesday 7 April. The changes are dramatic, with many new services (in some cases on newly opened routes) and shorter journey times for many trains. This will improve journey possibilities, but it is possible that changes may impact negatively on a few itineraries. For those who may not be aware of it my Quick Reference Timetable shows (in English, but with a list of place names in Chinese characters) direct air-conditioned trains between Beijing, Guangzhou and Shanghai and to/from twenty major Chinese cities, plus some other inter city journeys. This timetable is available in .pdf format free of charge; the new edition will be posted (with an advice) in the next few days. I also publish a comprehensive Chinese Railway Timetable covering about 2,500 trains and 900 stations. Please contact me for more information about this. Duncan Peattie Melbourne, Australia Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2720-1081269691-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 6 18:40:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36Gep8x027811 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:40:51 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i36Gfd003526 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:41:41 +0200 (METDST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2720-1081269691-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2004 16:41:33 -0000 X-Sender: lightweight_brother@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52198 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 16:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 16:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.129) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 16:41:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20040406164128.22579.qmail@web12402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.32.4] by web12402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:41:28 PDT To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.173.129 From: dave longman X-Yahoo-Profile: lightweight_brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Photographs of Nanpiao Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 688 I am in the process of updating my website to include shots taken during my December 2003 trip. Photographs of Nanpiao can be found at www.geocities.com/lightweight_brother/China_Nanpiao.html Hope these are of interest to the group. Dave Longman --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2721-1081279962-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 7 02:47:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i370kt8N004203 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 02:47:31 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i36JWsp18316 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:35:38 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2721-1081279962-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2004 19:32:47 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57770 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 19:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 19:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 19:32:39 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.205.173]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040406193216.BBOD6234.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:32:16 +0100 To: Steam_In_China ~ Message-Id: <261C5FC5-8801-11D8-8FA4-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.41 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:32:32 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Online Timetable & JiTong Retimings Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 689 This was posted to Diesel_in_China today: > China on line timetable EASY link: > > http://www.shike.org.cn/trainInfo/index.asp > > Top left allows train type and train number entry. > > Top right brings up map and "info about stations" > > Bottom left brings "Info about 2 places" Journey planner? > > Bottom right brings up info on main cities > > Shame not in English! I've tried it and it's relatively easy to find your way round if you can recognise Chinese placenames. The times appear to reflect the new timetable from 18th April as there are some significant accelerations from the current version. The JiTong passenger times have changed slightly: 6051 6057 6052 6058 6054 6060 6053 6059 Jiningnan 1438 1205 Baiqi 2018 0632 2028 0622 Haoluku 0037 0220 0047 0210 Jingpeng 0221 0029 0224 0021 Galadesitai 0356 2250 0359 2248 Linxi 0446 2151 0454 2145 Daban 0559 2040 0614 0330 2022 2240 Lindong 0757 0529 1751 2045 0805 0537 1747 2043 Chabuga 0918 0654 1634 1926 0928 0704 1626 1918 Tongliao 1339 1126 1220 1500 Regards, Duncan Quality Railway Photographs on the web at: http://www.railography.co.uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2722-1081368693-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 7 22:10:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37KAp0j015863 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:10:51 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i37KBg006041 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:11:43 +0200 (METDST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2722-1081368693-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2004 20:11:36 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98652 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 17:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 17:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 17:15:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2004 17:15:15 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4071683F.448F5A14@qj-country.de> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:15:13 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Nanpiao: Second diesel Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 690 > BJ 3248 was recently seen working at the Nanpiao Coal Railway - in > addition to BJ 3241. > Tis is really bad news. I am leaving for China on a Euro 326 KLM ticket & intended to have a leisurely time on the nanpiao system. Instead, I am now looking for alternatives. Meihekou of course, & maybe Tiefa. About the latter I have some questions; a) does anyone have recent information about the photo fee situation? I know it is possible to go around Sanjiazi & other places, but what about filming in Daobingshan station? What is the fee if you get ''arrested''? b)I recall a message about bus timings to & from Shenyang (and also an alarming message about robbing buses, but never mind that). I cannot find this information back. Does anyone know where it is?? ameling Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2723-1081379463-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Apr 8 01:10:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37NAJDL028946 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 01:10:19 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i37NBA024861 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 01:11:10 +0200 (METDST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2723-1081379463-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2004 23:11:03 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45278 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 23:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 23:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 23:10:59 -0000 Received: from 66-44-4-45.s1061.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.4.45] helo=S0028187519) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BBMBC-0003Ac-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:09:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c41cf5$727a00e0$2d042c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.60 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:09:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Nanpiao: Second diesel Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 691 Ameling Don't forget Yangjiazhangzi - Jinxi (Huludao). Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "ameling algra" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Nanpiao: Second diesel > > > BJ 3248 was recently seen working at the Nanpiao Coal Railway - in > > addition to BJ 3241. > > > Tis is really bad news. I am leaving for China on a Euro 326 KLM > ticket & intended to have a leisurely time on the nanpiao system. > Instead, I am now looking for alternatives. Meihekou of course, & > maybe Tiefa. About the latter I have some questions; > a) does anyone have recent information about the photo fee > situation? I know it is possible to go around Sanjiazi & other > places, but what about filming in Daobingshan station? What is the > fee if you get ''arrested''? > b)I recall a message about bus timings to & from Shenyang (and also > an alarming message about robbing buses, but never mind that). I > cannot find this information back. Does anyone know where it is?? > > ameling > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2724-1081391379-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Apr 8 04:28:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i382Suuf007262 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:28:56 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i382Tk007604 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:29:47 +0200 (METDST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2724-1081391379-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2004 02:29:39 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46506 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 23:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 23:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 23:06:14 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HVTPIB00.3M2 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:06:11 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <13b9db139348.13934813b9db@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:06:04 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Nanpiao: Second diesel Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 692 Ameling Ron Olsen & I had no trouble with taking photo's at Daobingshan station. I was photoing off the bridge by myself while Ron was getting a repair done to his trolley, & a security guard came up, walked past, watched me, said nothing, and then went back down to the station. When Ron came back I told him of the guard, but Ron took photo's at the platform level, while the guard was around, with no problems. We encountered noone demanding fees, & we never hid from anyone over the 3 days we were there.. When we left we took a taxi from Daobingshan to Tieling it cost us 60Y the driver was excellent, the husband of the lady driver who drove us on another occasion without any rip off. Her number can be found in Ron's report. PS forget the red hotel near the station. Go to the opposite side of the street, left from the station. you will see a sign over a smal where there are several restaraunts at the entrance is a bath house that has very military looking guards out front(young men)you can get a room there for 60Y per night as well as bath etc. for extra cost(cheap) it is excellent, & certainly better value than the red hotel. Up the same small road on the left hand side are several restaraunts, one with virtually noone in it, & others with some. I think about the 3rd or 4th is a small restaraunt that is usually packed out, & you may need to wait for a seat. It has coal cookers on the tables where you cook your own meat (or order other food) highly reccomended. Daobingshan was busy, we never saw any diesels, & the Js once. THe Faku line has around 3-4 trains each way per day. Walk the track to the tunnel & wait, its a relaxing day, & you hear the trains comming from both directions. have a good trip Colin Hussey ----- Original Message ----- From: "ameling algra" Date: Thursday, April 8, 2004 3:15 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Nanpiao: Second diesel > > > > > > > > BJ 3248 was recently seen working at the Nanpiao Coal Railway > - in > > > addition to BJ 3241. > > > > > Tis is really bad news. I am leaving for China on a Euro 326 KLM > > ticket & intended to have a leisurely time on the nanpiao > system. > > Instead, I am now looking for alternatives. Meihekou of course, > & > > maybe Tiefa. About the latter I have some questions; > > a) does anyone have recent information about the photo fee > > situation? I know it is possible to go around Sanjiazi & other > > places, but what about filming in Daobingshan station? What is the > > fee if you get ''arrested''? > > b)I recall a message about bus timings to & from Shenyang (and > also > > an alarming message about robbing buses, but never mind that). I > > cannot find this information back. Does anyone know where it is?? > > > > ameling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2725-1081402625-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Apr 8 07:45:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i385jdqp017199 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:45:56 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i385bEm29790 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:37:15 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2725-1081402625-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2004 05:37:08 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45682 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 23:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 23:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 23:33:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2004 23:32:06 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.4.45 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 23:32:05 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Photos and Maps for Maanshan and Huainan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 693 Hello all, Photos and maps from my February trip to Maanshan and Huainan can now be found at: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/trains/china226.htm The Maanshan photos were the result of a hurried visit and are only a small indication of the numerous and varied photographic possibilities there. Huainan also deserves better. A picture of my guide is also included. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2727-1081411452-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Apr 8 10:44:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i388iguq015259 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:44:52 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3884Om23716 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:08:00 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2727-1081411452-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2004 08:04:15 -0000 X-Sender: simister@labyrinth.net.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90868 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2004 04:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2004 04:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2004 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2004 04:07:28 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "simister1au" X-Originating-IP: 157.128.83.241 X-Yahoo-Profile: simister1au MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:07:27 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Nanpiao: Second diesel Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 695 Ameling, We were at Daobingshan about 18 months ago and got 'arrested' on the station on our third day, but only because we had not paid for a permit. We were taken in a company car to the company's offices by a very polite young Chinese guy who spoke good English and ushered us in to see the boss with whom we negotiated our permit fee. They looked after our luggage, showed us their 'museum' and helped us to the station to catch the train to Shenyang later that day. They were very helpful. I don't like having to pay a fee but if you have to then I guess it's best to do it in a civilised manner. Regards, Malcolm --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "ameling algra" wrote: > > > BJ 3248 was recently seen working at the Nanpiao Coal Railway - in > > addition to BJ 3241. > > > Tis is really bad news. I am leaving for China on a Euro 326 KLM > ticket & intended to have a leisurely time on the nanpiao system. > Instead, I am now looking for alternatives. Meihekou of course, & > maybe Tiefa. About the latter I have some questions; > a) does anyone have recent information about the photo fee > situation? I know it is possible to go around Sanjiazi & other > places, but what about filming in Daobingshan station? What is the > fee if you get ''arrested''? > b)I recall a message about bus timings to & from Shenyang (and also > an alarming message about robbing buses, but never mind that). I > cannot find this information back. Does anyone know where it is?? > > ameling Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2729-1081476826-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 9 04:17:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i392HGbj029630 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 04:17:21 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i392Dtb27273 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 04:13:55 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2729-1081476826-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2004 02:13:49 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19703 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2004 18:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2004 18:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2004 18:36:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2004 18:35:56 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c41cf5$727a00e0$2d042c42@S0028187519> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:35:56 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Nanpiao: Second diesel Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 697 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Cerny" wrote: > Ameling > > Don't forget Yangjiazhangzi - Jinxi (Huludao). > > Louis Cerny > I do consider the Jinxi line. But what I do like to do is just walk around & see the train movements, not chase by taxi. I think Nanpiao was and Tiefa is more appropriate for that than Jinxi ameling Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2732-1081600459-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Apr 10 14:34:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3ACXx3c015976 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:34:00 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3ACYPb10229 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:34:25 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2732-1081600459-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2004 12:34:19 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63711 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2004 12:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2004 12:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2004 12:34:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2004 12:34:07 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.2.8 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:34:06 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Urumqi, additional info on Huaibei and Chengdu Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 700 Hello all, The Japanese Message Board at http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ appears to say in an April 9 posting that the line near Urumqi has 24 JS and 4 SY. The person giving this info has an e-mail address kongxk@heinfo.net but I hesitate to contact this person in English. Could a Japanese- speaking person contact him and get more details on location, line lengths, type of terrain (mountains, hills or flat), and style of operation. This Message Board also has recent postings of maps and photos of the steam operation at Huaibei and also says there are 6 SY at a sewing machine factory in Chengdu. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2737-1081643139-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 02:28:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3B0SPie020201 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:28:35 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3B0Rcb04997 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:27:40 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2737-1081643139-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 00:27:21 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65979 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2004 00:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2004 00:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 00:25:37 -0000 Received: from 66-44-5-246.s1516.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.5.246] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1BCSn2-00006I-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:25:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c41f5b$88a5d1b0$f6052c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:25:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Urumqi, additional info on Huaibei and Chengdu Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 705 Hello all and happy Easter, Toshaki Tsujimoto, discoverer of the Yongcheng steam line, has just e-mailed me to say that the recent photos and information on the Hauibei steam line (as mentioned in my message 12 hours ago to this group) are his work, and also to share the information that one of the QJ at Yongcheng is 3552. Thanks are due to him for his providing this information on Huaibei and Yongcheng. No additional info has been received to date on the operation near Urumqi. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "notenfrog" To: Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Urumqi, additional info on Huaibei and Chengdu > Hello all, > > The Japanese Message Board at > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ > > appears to say in an April 9 posting that the line near Urumqi has > 24 JS and 4 SY. The person giving this info has an e-mail address > > kongxk@heinfo.net > > but I hesitate to contact this person in English. Could a Japanese- > speaking person contact him and get more details on location, line > lengths, type of terrain (mountains, hills or flat), and style of > operation. > > This Message Board also has recent postings of maps and photos of > the steam operation at Huaibei and also says there are 6 SY at a > sewing machine factory in Chengdu. > > Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2738-1081650116-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 04:23:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3B2NTck023249 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 04:23:30 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3B2M2b11103 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 04:22:02 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2738-1081650116-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 02:21:56 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85253 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2004 02:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2004 02:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 02:21:55 -0000 Received: from 66-44-5-246.s1516.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.5.246] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1BCUba-0003OY-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:21:54 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c41f6b$c7ef3180$f6052c42@S0028187519> To: References: <001001c41f5b$88a5d1b0$f6052c42@S0028187519> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:22:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Urumqi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 706 Hello all, Information has just been posted on the Japanese Steam in China message board on the steam operation "near" Urumqi. I am working from a mechanical translation, so significant errors are possible. Hopefully someone from Japan will translate more accurately for the group, and give us the name of the person first visiting the line, and a map which shows the location of the area in relation to Urumqi. The mining operation is at a place called "Three Road Ridges," which is 60 km from a place called Nisikita. Interchange with the CNR is at a location called "Willow Spring Tree." The mining operation began in 1960. It appears that it involves two large pit mines employing a total of about 20,000 people. While the immeadiate area is said to be flat, the snow-covered Tenzan Mountains provide a photographic background. It is said to be possible to go to the bottom of the pits. The culture of the area is said to be Islamic. 23 JS and 4 SY are said to be in use today. While it was far from clear to me from the translation, it appears the railroad has a 36km main stem and at least two branches of 8 and 7 km. The line is said to be in an area closed to tourists, and no independent travel should be attempted, only travel using a guide with official permission. If I read the translation correctly, a guide can be contacted at Wanggj0306@hotmail.com (perhaps the "j" is an "i"). Again, I look forward, with thanks in advance, to a human translation and a sketch map showing the location of this line from our Japanese friends. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cerny" To: Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Urumqi, additional info on Huaibei and Chengdu ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2739-1081663430-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 08:03:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3B63XmK029401 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 08:03:41 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3B63ub29738 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 08:03:56 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2739-1081663430-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 06:03:50 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74458 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2004 06:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2004 06:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 06:03:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 06:03:45 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c41f6b$c7ef3180$f6052c42@S0028187519> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 210.20.165.65 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 06:03:45 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line near Urumqi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i3B63XmK029401 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 707 Hi Louis, My bad translation is as followings. I hope this might help you. Jun Shirakawa [Sandaoling Coal Co.(Hami coal mine)] Report from Mr.Wang Guojun(Japanese Guide) *Location: About 60Km Northwest from Hami city There are Nanquan open coal mine(13km), Beiquan coal mine, No.1 coal mine, Coal yard and South station. Beiquan is about 5km north from Nanquan. No.1 is about 8Km northeast from Nanquan. The Coal yard is about 7Km southeast from Nangquan and all of coal mine lines are connecting this place. The south station is just next of coal yard. There is 36km long line is heading for Liushuquan CNR station on flat land. This line has 4 JSs and operating for 24 hours. *History: The Line opened in 1958. Coaling was started from 1960 and will be continue next 100 years. *Steams: There were 60 steams which were JSs, SYs and JFs. Now they have 23 JSs and 4 Sys(2 are out of order). Workers are 20.000. *Information: You need guide assistance since this is very restricted area. Hotel and police are always check your Passport when you are there. Working time are 9:30-13:30 and 15:30-19:30. *The JAPANESE speaking guide: Wang Guojun E-mail: wanggj0306@hotmail.com (Chinese or Japanese?) Phone: PRPXSRUTVWU ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2742-1081689356-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 15:19:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3BDJ9B6016615 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:19:14 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3BDG3b27571 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:16:03 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2742-1081689356-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 13:15:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 4458 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2004 13:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2004 13:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 13:15:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mke1963@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 13:15:48 -0000 X-Sender: mke1963@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89757 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2004 08:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2004 08:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 08:30:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 08:30:09 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.99 From: "Mark Eadie" X-Originating-IP: 62.64.223.182 X-Yahoo-Profile: markkeadie X-eGroups-Approved-By: a6et via web; 11 Apr 2004 13:15:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 08:30:08 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line near Urumqi, additional info on Huaibei and Chengdu Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 710 I have lurked on this Yahoo Group for a while, but the posts on the steam found "near Urumqi" (it's near Urumqi as London is near Glasgow) has raised my curiosity enough to post something. I should state that I am not a gricer, but do enjoy the sight and sounds of steam trains! As I travel around China fairly extensively by train (around 6000km in the last 12 months), I keep an eye out for steam or traces of steam. On December 1st 2003, I travelled from Urumqi to Lanzhou and am fairly certain that I saw an engine at some distance north of the mainline near Shanshanzhan in a mine/factory complex (there are a lot of mines and antique factories along the scarp of the Bogdashan). Sadly it was dark by the time my train got to Liushuquan. As the cost of fuel oil is increasingly dramatically in China, it wouldn't surprise me if smaller SOEs and mines restart steam operations. The local accounting practices regard coal as free if they are mining it. Factory operating costs are far higher in Western China (anywhere west of the Taihangshan) so in a move to reduce costs it would seem to make sense. So places which may have moved to diesel or electric in the last five years may return to steam. A friend in Urumuqi suggested that their are steam engines working in mines in the area between Turfan and Kashgar, but I am a bit sceptical. People on this Yahoo Group (and the steam websites) clearly travel regularly around China and would have reported this. I am also told in Jincheng (by someone who was drunk and had beaten me at cards in a karaoke bar) that there were steam engines in use around Jincheng in Shanxi. Again, dubious provenance, but there are a LOT of small and medium coal mines in this area. One hotel in Jincheng (an excellent place - avoid the karaoke bar opposite) is actually owned by a local coal mine, so they may be able to help verify this. I am likely to be travelling near Hami on a family holiday in a few weeks, and wonder if anyone is interested in hooking up to see the area around Hami. I have sufficient Chinese to communicate with people and have friends on tap (by cellphone) who will speak to people when I run into difficulty. It is likely to be around May 5th - 8th kind of time. fwiw the nearest airport to Hami is Dunhuang. Regards, Mark ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2743-1081690882-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 15:43:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3BDhbSp017621 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:43:38 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3BDfSb29667 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:41:28 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2743-1081690882-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 13:41:22 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84276 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2004 13:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2004 13:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 13:41:21 -0000 Received: from 66-44-0-109.s109.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.109] helo=S0028187519) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1BCfCh-0007cu-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:40:56 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c41fca$a3bddb40$6d002c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.62 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:41:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line near Urumqi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 711 Jun Shirakawa Thank you so much for your translation. If I understand correctly, the description of the line is as follows: The connection with the CNR is at Lishuquan (which according to the Quail Map, page 9 is at kilometer post 1390 of the Lanzhou-Urumqi line, about 60 km west of Hami and 500 km east of Urumqi. From Lishuquan there is a 36 km "main line" to Nanquan which works on a 24 hour per day basis using 4 of the JS. >From Nanquan lines go to 5 mines. The line from Nanquan to the Nanquan Open Coal Mine is 13km, the line to Beiquan Coal Mine goes 5 km to the north of Nanquan, the line to No. 1 Coal Mine goes 8km northeast of Nanquan, and the line to the South Station and Coal Yard mines goes 7 km southeast from Nanquan. (This would make total length of lines about 70km.) The total locomotives working on the main line, the branches, and in the mines themselves are 23 JS and 2 SY, plus there are 2 SY not currently working. Guide assistance is needed since this is a very restricted area. The first steam enthusiasts to visit the line were Mr. Hiroo Kobayashi and Mr. Hiroshi Wada guided by Japanese speaking Chinese guide Wang Guajun. This took place in December 2003. Mr. Wang can be reached at wanggj0306@hotmail.com Thanks to all involved in obtaining this information. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "steamchina" To: Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:03 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line near Urumqi Hi Louis, My bad translation is as followings. I hope this might help you. Jun Shirakawa [Sandaoling Coal Co.(Hami coal mine)] Report from Mr.Wang Guojun(Japanese Guide) *Location: About 60Km Northwest from Hami city There are Nanquan open coal mine(13km), Beiquan coal mine, No.1 coal mine, Coal yard and South station. Beiquan is about 5km north from Nanquan. No.1 is about 8Km northeast from Nanquan. The Coal yard is about 7Km southeast from Nangquan and all of coal mine lines are connecting this place. The south station is just next of coal yard. There is 36km long line is heading for Liushuquan CNR station on flat land. This line has 4 JSs and operating for 24 hours. *History: The Line opened in 1958. Coaling was started from 1960 and will be continue next 100 years. *Steams: There were 60 steams which were JSs, SYs and JFs. Now they have 23 JSs and 4 Sys(2 are out of order). Workers are 20.000. *Information: You need guide assistance since this is very restricted area. Hotel and police are always check your Passport when you are there. Working time are 9:30-13:30 and 15:30-19:30. *The JAPANESE speaking guide: Wang Guojun E-mail: wanggj0306@hotmail.com (Chinese or Japanese?) Phone: ,P,R,P,X,S,R,U,T,V,W,U Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2744-1081710517-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 21:13:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3BJDmk6002222 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:13:54 +0200 (METDST) Received: from a136.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.37]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3BJ8ib22575 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:08:44 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2744-1081710517-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by a136.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 19:08:37 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89992 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2004 19:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2004 19:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta04-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 19:08:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.205.173]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040411190745.FZIG1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:07:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <918879E9-8BEB-11D8-88E7-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.44 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:08:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Jincheng etc Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 712 There is a large mining operation in Jincheng but it mines metal ore, nickel I think. It certainly had an extensive railway system in 1992 and we saw several SYs working around Jinchang and on the line to the CNR interchange at Hexipu. We didn't spend any time on the mine system as the main line action was far more spectacular. I haven't been back since and I suspect only a handful of enthusiasts have ventured west of Lanzhou in the last 10 years. So who knows what's up there. It's a long way to go when there's so much to see in the rest of China. Duncan On 11 Apr 2004, at 09:30, Mark Eadie wrote: > People on this Yahoo Group (and the steam websites) > clearly travel regularly around China and would have reported this. > > I am also told in Jincheng (by someone who was drunk and had beaten > me at cards in a karaoke bar) that there were steam engines in use > around Jincheng in Shanxi. Again, dubious provenance, but there are a > LOT of small and medium coal mines in this area. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2745-1081759127-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 10:39:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3C8dirA001515 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:39:51 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3C8crb12672 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:38:53 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2745-1081759127-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2004 08:38:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 87381 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 08:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2004 08:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 08:38:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: DonnerFan@sbcglobal.net Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2004 08:38:29 -0000 X-Sender: DonnerFan@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13368 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2004 04:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2004 04:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 04:27:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2004 04:27:06 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 From: "Brian J Rubino" X-Originating-IP: 63.205.191.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: bjrubino X-eGroups-Approved-By: a6et via web; 12 Apr 2004 08:38:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 04:27:06 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] China Steam Tour Info Needed... Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 713 Hi all, I have been interested in going to China on a railfan tour. Can anyone share their experiences? I am looking at going in Sept/Oct with Trains Unlimited tours. Are there any other tour groups? If so, please post their web pages. Any info/advice is greatly appreciated; I have never attempted to do a trip like this so I need as much info as I can find. Thank you, BJR ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2746-1081759132-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 10:39:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3C8dirC001515 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:39:51 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3C8cwb12678 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:38:59 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2746-1081759132-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2004 08:38:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 78727 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 08:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2004 08:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 08:38:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mke1963@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2004 08:37:58 -0000 X-Sender: mke1963@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7575 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2004 22:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2004 22:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.11.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 22:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CPQ29292759719) (mke1963@62.64.161.78 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 22:11:06 -0000 Message-ID: <00e101c41f48$b5061e80$5ccf403e@CPQ29292759719> To: References: <918879E9-8BEB-11D8-88E7-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.12.11.34 From: "Mark Eadie" X-Yahoo-Profile: markkeadie X-eGroups-Approved-By: a6et via web; 12 Apr 2004 08:37:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.86 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:01:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Jincheng etc Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 714 There are a number of coal mines in the valleys leading into the Taihangshan to the south of Jincheng. The company that owns the hotel mines coal. The roads leading over the pass to Luoyang turn to ankle deep black sludge when it rains. I have spent an interesting couple of days reading through the wealth of information on Chinese railways. I wish I had discovered all this a couple of years ago. As you say, there's a lot to see east of Lanzhou, but Gansu, Qinghai and Xinjiang are just spectacular. Probably worth exploring. - Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Cotterill To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Jincheng etc There is a large mining operation in Jincheng but it mines metal ore, nickel I think. It certainly had an extensive railway system in 1992 and we saw several SYs working around Jinchang and on the line to the CNR interchange at Hexipu. We didn't spend any time on the mine system as the main line action was far more spectacular. I haven't been back since and I suspect only a handful of enthusiasts have ventured west of Lanzhou in the last 10 years. So who knows what's up there. It's a long way to go when there's so much to see in the rest of China. Duncan On 11 Apr 2004, at 09:30, Mark Eadie wrote: > People on this Yahoo Group (and the steam websites) > clearly travel regularly around China and would have reported this. > > I am also told in Jincheng (by someone who was drunk and had beaten > me at cards in a karaoke bar) that there were steam engines in use > around Jincheng in Shanxi. Again, dubious provenance, but there are a > LOT of small and medium coal mines in this area. One hotel in > Jincheng (an excellent place - avoid the karaoke bar opposite) is > actually owned by a local coal mine, so they may be able to help > verify this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 715 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Rubino" wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been interested in going to China on a railfan tour. Can > anyone share their experiences? I am looking at going in Sept/Oct > with Trains Unlimited tours. Are there any other tour groups? If so, > please post their web pages. > Any info/advice is greatly appreciated; I have never attempted to do > a trip like this so I need as much info as I can find. > A lot of steam trips on Rob Dickinson's web site: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/internat.htm Most tour operators have their advertisements there, pick your choice. I cannot advise you as I never go to China with a group. ameling Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 716 Hello; This summer, I want to go to China again with a Belgian friend. We want to visit places which are situated far from each other (to far to go there by train) so we want to take some domestic flights. I've found some websites where you can find flight scedules but the problem is that all the sites which I found have dates which are expired (e.g. valid until november 2003). Is there anybody on this list who can give me a URL of a good website where to find acurate scedules? How should I order these tickets? Via the site itself or will it be cheaper to buy them in China itself? What about buying these tickets via CITS? Will this be much more expensive? Because these questions are somewhat off topic, a little extra: I've received a second mail from Tina, the well known guide, in which she says that steam at JingPeng will last until next year, when dieselisation will start. She has written down the planning which appeared here some months ago, before the bad news-mails about the meeting in Beijing started. She was informed by this radical change of plans a month ago but now, she informed me again that the original dieselisation-scedule is the true one (at this moment...). Maybe, people at JiTong and/or the government have realised that you almost can't educate all the engineers and heaters on diesel theory and practice in less then 6 months? Let's hope so... By the way: how are things at Pingdingshan? Any news about the test results of the ugly orange diesel which drove around over there some months ago? I want to go over there in December with a small group from our museum organisation so I'm very curious about this interesting place for everybody who likes mining plants (thanks Bernd, for the tip to go there, you guessed right: I liked it!). Thanks allready for your help with my questions concerning domestic flights. regards, Dave _________________________________________________________________ Test een digitale camera 14 dagen gratis http://opproef.msn.be/product/product.html?nr=2&action=K54&sstlcmpid=931 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 717 Try www.travelchinaguide.com for schedules. Not all airlines have all their schedules widely advertised. For example, China United, for example, (now part of ....errrrr......Hainan Airlines I think) has flights that don't appear in the computers. Other than the risk of seats filling up, I have always found it best getting a Chinese travel agent to get the tickets, because there are many discounted tickets that they can offer (and I don't know if these are available internationally). Generally 10/20/30/40% off the standard fare. I must stress that I live in China, so don't have much alternative. Note that starting last October, passport details are needed when making a domestic flight booking, and some travel agents may want a faxed copy of your passport before making the bookings. fyi, new government regulations now allow discounting by the airlines. (Yes, I know, I don't understand how there are alread discounted tickets!) and I think this comes into force this month. BJS Travel in the Beijing suburban part of Shunyi are particularly good because they deal with the large expat community in the area. Not sure if they have a website, but the phone number is 010 8046 3199. Ask for Bai Yan because she is particularly used to booking complicated individual itineraries. Gven time they also work wonders getting you onto 'sold out' trains, as long as you are OK with 38 hours in hard class. You could pay by credit card and pick up the tickets when you arrive, by getting the taxi to detour to Pinnacle Plaza on the way into Beijing from the airport, if there isn't enough time to get the tickets sent by mail. They are trustworthy. Also, depending upon the timing of your visit, you can get quite hefty discounts by turning up at the airport and asking at the ticket desks (one for each airline grouping) for availability on the next flight. Risky, but can save a lot of money if you have time, and are using one of the trunk routes. - Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Davidoff To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] domestic flights in China etc... Hello; This summer, I want to go to China again with a Belgian friend. We want to visit places which are situated far from each other (to far to go there by train) so we want to take some domestic flights. I've found some websites where you can find flight scedules but the problem is that all the sites which I found have dates which are expired (e.g. valid until november 2003). Is there anybody on this list who can give me a URL of a good website where to find acurate scedules? How should I order these tickets? Via the site itself or will it be cheaper to buy them in China itself? What about buying these tickets via CITS? Will this be much more expensive? Because these questions are somewhat off topic, a little extra: I've received a second mail from Tina, the well known guide, in which she says that steam at JingPeng will last until next year, when dieselisation will start. She has written down the planning which appeared here some months ago, before the bad news-mails about the meeting in Beijing started. She was informed by this radical change of plans a month ago but now, she informed me again that the original dieselisation-scedule is the true one (at this moment...). Maybe, people at JiTong and/or the government have realised that you almost can't educate all the engineers and heaters on diesel theory and practice in less then 6 months? Let's hope so... By the way: how are things at Pingdingshan? Any news about the test results of the ugly orange diesel which drove around over there some months ago? I want to go over there in December with a small group from our museum organisation so I'm very curious about this interesting place for everybody who likes mining plants (thanks Bernd, for the tip to go there, you guessed right: I liked it!). Thanks allready for your help with my questions concerning domestic flights. regards, Dave _________________________________________________________________ Test een digitale camera 14 dagen gratis http://opproef.msn.be/product/product.html?nr=2&action=K54&sstlcmpid=931 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 718 Try this one, given to me courtesy of Mike LaPlante; http://207.68.164.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=e666863e27b3fa1ade3cb94fbf9287b6&lat=1081800963&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2etravelchinaguide%2ecom%2fchina%2dflights%2findex%2ehtm It is not complete, for instance it does not have the Beijing to Chifeng flights, but for what it has I have found it to be accurate. > >By the way: how are things at Pingdingshan? Any news about the test >results >of the ugly orange diesel which drove around over there some months ago? I >want to go over there in December with a small group from our museum >organisation so I'm very curious about this interesting place for everybody >who likes mining plants (thanks Bernd, for the tip to go there, you guessed >right: I liked it!). The orange diesel seems to have replaced one of the doubleheaders out of Tianzhuang yard in the morning rush. I saw it haul 73 cars once. However, when I asked, the workers at Pingdingshan said that they have not retired any steam locomotives. Overhauls continue. By the way, Pierre Espinasse, a Frenchman now working in Huhehaote, told me today that the Zhenxiangbaiqi - Benhong slow passengers are still steam. Baiqi - eastward is 30% diesel. These trains run with a DF4 in front working, and a QJ behind. His saw these in Baiqi, and thinks that maybe the DF4 is cut off at Sanggedelai to run to Xilinhot, with the QJ continuing to Haoloku. Ronald Olsen _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 720 Here is the latest news from Tina regarding JiTong steam operation - as the dust from recent events settles it seems pretty clear there will be plenty of opportunity yet to 'get the shot'. Stuart >From April 1st Zhelimu-Chabuga was run completely by leased DF4, both freight and passenger trains Baiqi-Benhong is next to be run by diesel engines, maybe in summer. In 2004, Chabuga-Daban-Haoluku-Baiqi will be steam hauled only. In spring 2005, diesel engine should be introduced to gradually replace steam. This should be finished in end of 2005 /beginning of 2006. Daban - Haoluku will probably be the last steam section. About the section between Haoluku to Daban,I asked the staffs and their general secretary from Daban Depot several times. They say due to the money shortage and imcomplete training of the diesel engines, the total dieselization will not come true in such short time. There is no problem for the whole year of 2004. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2753-1081809920-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 00:45:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3CMjIi4017697 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:45:22 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3CMjQb29546 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:45:26 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2753-1081809920-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2004 22:45:20 -0000 X-Sender: brian.rumary@virgin.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38593 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 22:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2004 22:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) (62.253.164.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 22:45:20 -0000 Received: from virgin.net ([81.103.218.9]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040412224514.MLFH6228.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@virgin.net> for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:45:14 +0100 X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.164.45 From: "B.Rumary" X-Yahoo-Profile: purnellsuk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:45:14 GMT Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] China Steam Tour Info Needed... Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 721 Brian J Rubino wrote: > I have been interested in going to China on a railfan tour. Can > anyone share their experiences? I am looking at going in Sept/Oct > with Trains Unlimited tours. Are there any other tour groups? If so, > please post their web pages. > The Industrial Railway Society is running a trip to China in early October. For details see their website at: www.irsociety.co.uk Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2754-1081879062-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 20:25:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3DIP8Pr006447 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:25:09 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.85]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3DIDwb12696 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:13:58 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2754-1081879062-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2004 17:57:43 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47046 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 17:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 17:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 17:57:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2004 17:57:29 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.192.22 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:57:28 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Chinese Railway Timetable - New (April 2004) Edition Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 722 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Peattie" wrote: > I have been able to obtain sufficient information to update my Quick Reference Timetable to the new timetable which will come into force on Sunday 18 April. I am working on the update at the moment and > expect to have it ready by Wednesday 7 April. > Is it already available? The only place where i know to find it is Robin Gibbon's site & that still shows the October 2003 version. I am leaving for China on April 18.... ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2755-1081891004-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 23:34:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3DLYhU0021514 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:34:50 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.25]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3DLGob00765 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:16:56 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2755-1081891004-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2004 21:16:44 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15691 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 21:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 21:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 21:16:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2004 21:15:56 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.64 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.3.117 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:15:54 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Public access to Shanghai #5 Steel Mill SYs Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 723 Hello all, Tashiaki Tsujimoto has written me about his new photos and maps showing where Shanghai #5 Steel Mill SYs operate outside the mill and public access is possible. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2756-1081928434-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 09:40:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (real.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.10]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3E7eZHv000284 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:40:37 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by real.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i3E7eeb20437 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:40:40 +0200 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: real.cyf-kr.edu.pl X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2756-1081928434-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2004 07:40:34 -0000 X-Sender: howardp@paradise.net.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81980 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 07:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 07:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 07:40:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2004 07:39:26 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "Howard Phillips" X-Originating-IP: 203.97.2.243 X-Yahoo-Profile: bobtail571 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:39:25 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Zungeer Depot off limits Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 724 Hello all, I visited the Depot at Zhungeer with a small group on 8 April 2004. Our guide was handed a notice advising of a complete ban on visiting and photography. He was unclear as to the physical limits of the ban, but it included the railway in the near vicinity. The depot folk were so keen for us to get the message, we found a copy of the notice had been attached to our van while parked at the hotel overnight! Offenders are liable to a fine not exceeding 10,000 RMB. Regards Howard ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2759-1082073456-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 01:56:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3FNudnM017617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:56:39 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3FNuEM2028867 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:56:15 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2759-1082073456-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2004 23:57:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 95954 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2004 23:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2004 23:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2004 23:57:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2004 23:57:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 35968 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Apr 2004 23:57:30 -0000 Message-ID: <1082073450.53905.35787.w23@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files From: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 15 Apr 2004 23:57:30 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New file uploaded to Steam_in_China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 727 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Steam_in_China group. File : /Ctt0404x.pdf Uploaded by : duncanpeattie Description : April 2004 timetable for travel between major Chinese cities in quick reference format (also includes comprehensive Ji-Tong timetable) - comments welcome You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/files/Ctt0404x.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, duncanpeattie ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2760-1082075556-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 02:31:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3G0Vc42019221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 02:31:38 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3G0VDM2031264 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 02:31:14 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2760-1082075556-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2004 00:32:36 -0000 X-Sender: chinatt@eudoramail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 746 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 00:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 00:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO whowhere.com) (209.202.220.219) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 00:32:34 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:32:12 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: Content-Language: en X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 159.157.251.43 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.202.220.219 From: "Duncan Peattie" X-Yahoo-Profile: duncanpeattie MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:32:12 0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Chinese Railway Timetable - New (April 2004) Edition Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 728 In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Peattie" wrote: > I have been able to obtain sufficient information to update my Quick Reference Timetable to the new timetable which will come into force on Sunday 18 April. I am working on the update at the moment and > expect to have it ready by Wednesday 7 April. > Is it already available? The only place where i know to find it is Robin Gibbon's site & that still shows the October 2003 version. I am leaving for China on April 18.... ameling === The file is indeed available. I have sent Ameling a copy off-list and have posted the file to the files section (which should generate a posting with a link). I will be updating my full timetable as soon as I can get hold of a copy of the CRPH timetable (reported as now on sale in Beijing). Highlights of the new timetable so far (gleaned from www.shike.org.cn) are services on the new lines Yibin-Liupanshui (giving a new route Chengdu-Kunming) and Yan'an-Shenmu (giving a new route Xi'an-Baotou). There are significant accelerations on many routes and a number of non-stop services (prefixed 'Z') are introduced. Duncan Peattie Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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After over 1000 kms of driving today together with a friend I am very tired now but don`t want to wait to put some oil into the fire concerning this subject. Before my departure, I gave the japanese board message, where Louis found the news, to my japanese nighbour. Because she is living in Germany since being a little girl, she translated the note with the help of her mother. They are no gricers, so some „expert-questions“ are still open of course. Also the names of the locations are mentioned in Kanji-characters and they don't know the chinese pronounciation. However, here is my english summery of what they found out. I did not meet my nighbour yet. The problem is that her mother is not living in the same town so I have to pass it through with my nighbour when she is visiting her mom. The quotes in brackets () are my own assumptions. Summery: A place near Urumqi, 85 km away from Hami. Railway for coal transport. Lenght of the line: 10 kms between the mine and a place - the japanese name is assumed as Sandaouryou - and from this place another 35 kms to a place - the japanese name is assumed as Ryujusen. As mentioned by Louis, there are 28 engines; 4 are SY. There is some discussion about the JS; there are 2 types: 13 and 22 of each are mentioned, being built before and after 1985 (Maybe the older ones have smoke deflectors? The surplus engine is maybe not in service or dumped?) The line is leading partly through mountains and features many gradients and curves. The scenery is extremely beautifull! Road access is very bad and a 4WD is neccessary. Heinrich Hubbert Am Freitag, 2. April 2004 04:14 schrieb notenfrog: > Hello all, > > First of all, this is not my April Fool's joke. > > On the Japanese Steam in China website message board seems to be on > answer (if my poor Japanese translation is correct) to my March 24 > message to this group about a possible steam line in the vicinity of > the far northwestern Chinese city Urumqi. > > It seems to talk about an 85km line (maybe with 2 additional > branches) with 28 active steam locomotives of QJ and JS types. > > Can any english-speaking Japanese railfan confirm this and give us > more details? > > This could be the best China steam news since when Japanese railfans > found the Zhungeer line in 2002. > > Louis Cerny > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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It is a pity that T11 now leaves at 10.00 instead of 10.22, but better to know now than to find out at the railway station. Anyway, i can't blame you for the change in schedule ameling > The file is indeed available. I have sent Ameling a copy off-list and have posted the file to the files section (which should generate a posting with a link). > > I will be updating my full timetable as soon as I can get hold of a copy of the CRPH timetable (reported as now on sale in Beijing). > > Highlights of the new timetable so far (gleaned from www.shike.org.cn) are services on the new lines Yibin-Liupanshui (giving a new route Chengdu-Kunming) and Yan'an-Shenmu (giving a new route Xi'an-Baotou). There are significant accelerations on many routes and a number of non-stop services (prefixed 'Z') are introduced. > > > Duncan Peattie > > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > Check out the new EudoraMail at > http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2764-1082106813-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 11:12:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3G9CZKb005754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:12:35 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3G9C9M2002952 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:12:10 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2764-1082106813-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2004 09:13:33 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80588 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 09:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 09:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.177) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 09:13:31 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BEPPd-000745-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:13:29 +0200 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BEPPd-0007qX-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:13:29 +0200 Message-ID: <407FA3B4.6A8BE4D@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <200404160256.29663.hubbertweb@web.de> <50C7D365-8F7E-11D8-9370-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.177 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:13:24 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 732 Experts, please correct me. As far as I know, JS even can be divided into 3 sub-classes: 1) JS1 (old), built around 1956-1960/61, number series starting with 5001 up to 62xx (do not know exactly), built in Qishuyuan, Dalian and maybe elsewhere, too 2) JS1 (new), unaltered, built 1984-1986 in Datong, number series 63xx/62xx-6558 3) JS2 (improved design), built 1986-1988 in Datong, number series 8001-8422 As fas as I know, no (or few) JS were built between 1961 and 1984... Does someone know further details? Florian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2765-1082114206-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 13:15:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3GBFmaT027841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:15:48 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.101]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3GBFNM2032091 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:15:23 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2765-1082114206-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2004 11:16:46 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33908 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 11:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 11:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 11:16:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2004 11:16:17 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <407FA3B4.6A8BE4D@qj-country.de> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 80.193.104.156 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:16:17 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: 2-8-2 JS class Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 733 Hello Florian and everyone, I think your breakdown into three sub-sections is essentially correct. The JS1 (old) may have been built up until around 1965. There was a batch including JS6077 - 6081 reported as being built at Datong during that year, although higher numbered JS6093 - 6109 are reported as being built in 1960. The 1960s built locos may have ended somewhere around JS61** (JS6174 is recorded as being built at Datong in 1981). Milestones include: JS6201 - 6218 Datong 1981 JS6397 - 6406 Datong 1985 JS6472 - 6558 Datong 1986 (the last original JS). JS8001 (and possibly 8002) Datong 1986 JS8003 - 8267 Datong 1987 JS8268 - 8277 Datong 1987 or 1988 JS8278 - 8422 Datong 1988 JS8423 (renumbered from JS9999) Datong 1987 The 1950s and 1960s locos were built in quantity at Dalian and Qishuyan plus some from Beijing (Feb.7th works) and around 100 from Datong. The Datong locos were built between 1963 and 1965. There are many gaps in my knowledge, particularly regarding where one batch ends and another begins. Any additions and corrections would be much appreciated. I hope this helps. Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Florian Menius wrote: > Experts, please correct me. > > As far as I know, JS even can be divided into 3 sub-classes: > > 1) JS1 (old), built around 1956-1960/61, number series starting with 5001 up > to 62xx (do not know exactly), built in Qishuyuan, Dalian and maybe elsewhere, > too > 2) JS1 (new), unaltered, built 1984-1986 in Datong, number series > 63xx/62xx-6558 > 3) JS2 (improved design), built 1986-1988 in Datong, number series 8001-8422 > > As fas as I know, no (or few) JS were built between 1961 and 1984... > > Does someone know further details? > > Florian > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2766-1082120895-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 15:07:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3GD7Jwi015648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:07:20 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3GD6rM2028658 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:06:55 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2766-1082120895-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2004 13:08:15 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49705 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 13:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 13:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 13:08:14 -0000 Received: from 66-44-2-37.s545.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.37] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1BET4h-0001KK-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:08:08 -0400 Message-ID: <003501c423b3$e4792800$25022c42@S0028187519> To: References: <200404160256.29663.hubbertweb@web.de> <50C7D365-8F7E-11D8-9370-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> <407FA3B4.6A8BE4D@qj-country.de> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:08:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 734 Hello All, Just wanted to make a comment here. To me the most obvious difference in the JS numbered above 8000 is the method of support for the piston rod and main rod in back of the cylinder. On the earlier JS this area is supported by what I'll call a yoke, which is located outward from and below the two supporting slides (or guides) which are above and below the piston rod (like on all SY). The JS with numbers over 8000 have the support completely above the piston rod (like on all QJ). From a photographic standpoint, the yoke at least partially blocks a view of the drivers and side rods, so the QJ and JS over 8000 allow a better view of the drivers and side rods, especially on the front two powered axles. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 5:13 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class > Experts, please correct me. > > As far as I know, JS even can be divided into 3 sub-classes: > > 1) JS1 (old), built around 1956-1960/61, number series starting with 5001 up > to 62xx (do not know exactly), built in Qishuyuan, Dalian and maybe elsewhere, > too > 2) JS1 (new), unaltered, built 1984-1986 in Datong, number series > 63xx/62xx-6558 > 3) JS2 (improved design), built 1986-1988 in Datong, number series 8001-8422 > > As fas as I know, no (or few) JS were built between 1961 and 1984... > > Does someone know further details? > > Florian > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2767-1082135021-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 19:02:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3GH2giB011392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:02:42 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3GH2HM2009577 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:02:18 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2767-1082135021-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2004 17:03:41 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86119 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 17:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 17:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO queue2-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.222) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 17:03:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.204.202]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040416152210.QDJF25475.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:22:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <003501c423b3$e4792800$25022c42@S0028187519> References: <200404160256.29663.hubbertweb@web.de> <50C7D365-8F7E-11D8-9370-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> <407FA3B4.6A8BE4D@qj-country.de> <003501c423b3$e4792800$25022c42@S0028187519> Message-Id: To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.222 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:22:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 735 My information comes from two Chinese books "A Survey of Steam Locomotives" and "A Picture Album of Steam Locomotives in China 1876-2001" both published by China Railway Publishing House. Neither differentiate between JS produced in the late '50s or early '60s and those produced at Datong in the early 1980's. They only refer to JS (5xxx and 6xxx numbers) and JS "B" (8xxx numbers). The start date for JS "B" construction is given as 1985 or 1986, possibly work on the redesign was done in 1985 and the first loco, JS 8001, was completed in 1986. Datong is quoted as building 3 batches of JS : 100 locos in 1963-65, 358 locos in 1981-86 and 423 to the "B" design in 1986-88. Assuming Datong was the only works producing JS in the 1980s, the 358 locos would have probably been JS 6201 to 6558. The total for JS construction is given as 1916. Subtracting 423 "B" type and 358 built at Datong in the '80s this leaves 1135, so these would have been 5001 to 6135 if there weren't any gaps or other anomalies. There are 5 none standard numbers that I know of; JS 58001-58004 at Baotou steelworks and JS 1001 at Pingzhuang. I can't recall ever seeing any JS numbered in the high 61xx series. JS 6174 sounds like it might be a misreading of QJ 6174 which would have been built at Datong around 1981. Hope this helps, Duncan On 16 Apr 2004, at 14:08, Cerny wrote: > Hello All, > > Just wanted to make a comment here. To me the most obvious difference > in > the JS numbered above 8000 is the method of support for the piston rod > and > main rod in back of the cylinder. On the earlier JS this area is > supported > by what I'll call a yoke, which is located outward from and below the > two > supporting slides (or guides) which are above and below the piston rod > (like > on all SY). The JS with numbers over 8000 have the support completely > above the piston rod (like on all QJ). From a photographic > standpoint, the > yoke at least partially blocks a view of the drivers and side rods, so > the > QJ and JS over 8000 allow a better view of the drivers and side rods, > especially on the front two powered axles. > > Louis Cerny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Florian Menius" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 5:13 AM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class > > >> Experts, please correct me. >> >> As far as I know, JS even can be divided into 3 sub-classes: >> >> 1) JS1 (old), built around 1956-1960/61, number series starting with >> 5001 > up >> to 62xx (do not know exactly), built in Qishuyuan, Dalian and maybe > elsewhere, >> too >> 2) JS1 (new), unaltered, built 1984-1986 in Datong, number series >> 63xx/62xx-6558 >> 3) JS2 (improved design), built 1986-1988 in Datong, number series > 8001-8422 >> >> As fas as I know, no (or few) JS were built between 1961 and 1984... >> >> Does someone know further details? >> >> Florian >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2768-1082136922-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 19:34:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3GHYNlW014275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:34:24 +0200 (METDST) Received: from a171.grp.scd.yahoo.com (a171.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.120]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3GHXwM2014156 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:33:59 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2768-1082136922-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by a171.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2004 17:35:23 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80643 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 17:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 17:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.186) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 17:35:21 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BEXFI-0000nD-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:35:20 +0200 Received: from [213.61.41.169] (helo=eugen) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BEXFH-000150-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:35:20 +0200 Message-ID: <005601c423d7$4ad91ce0$a9293dd5@eugen> To: References: <200404160256.29663.hubbertweb@web.de> <50C7D365-8F7E-11D8-9370-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> <407FA3B4.6A8BE4D@qj-country.de> <003501c423b3$e4792800$25022c42@S0028187519> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.186 From: "Florian Menius" X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:18:38 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 736 Dear Duncan, Having checked my database, your suggestion seems plausible: I do not have any JS numbered in the 6110-6206 range. So, it is quite likely, that you are right. Summarised, this would mean: 1) JS 5001-61xx (maximum 6135) built at Dalian, Qishuyuan and Datong [The Baotou Steelworks JS with their strange numbers probaly come from this "old" batch] 2) JS 6201-6558, Dalian 1981-1986 3) JS 8001-8423, Dalian 1986-1988 Florian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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The original identities of the Baotou Steelworks locos seem to be unknown (at least to me) but the build dates are recorded as follows: JS58001 6/58 JS58002 ?/58 JS58003 1/58 JS58004 7/58 Best regards, Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Florian Menius" wrote: > Dear Duncan, > > Having checked my database, your suggestion seems plausible: I do not have any JS numbered in the 6110-6206 range. So, it is quite likely, that you are right. > > Summarised, this would mean: > > 1) JS 5001-61xx (maximum 6135) > built at Dalian, Qishuyuan and Datong > [The Baotou Steelworks JS with their strange numbers probaly come from this "old" batch] > 2) JS 6201-6558, Dalian 1981-1986 > 3) JS 8001-8423, Dalian 1986-1988 > > Florian > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Louic Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class > Dear Duncan, > > Having checked my database, your suggestion seems plausible: I do not have any JS numbered in the 6110-6206 range. So, it is quite likely, that you are right. > > Summarised, this would mean: > > 1) JS 5001-61xx (maximum 6135) > built at Dalian, Qishuyuan and Datong > [The Baotou Steelworks JS with their strange numbers probaly come from this "old" batch] > 2) JS 6201-6558, Dalian 1981-1986 > 3) JS 8001-8423, Dalian 1986-1988 > > Florian > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2771-1082189258-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Apr 17 10:06:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3H86fLT005185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:06:41 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3H86CM2010998 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:06:13 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2771-1082189258-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2004 08:07:38 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97696 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2004 08:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2004 08:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2004 08:07:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2004 08:07:35 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c423e0$6e271cc0$66052c42@S0028187519> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.108 From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 80.193.104.156 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:07:34 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: 2-8-2 JS class Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 739 Louis, I think that all of the last from JS6201 onwards were constructed at Datong, and there certainly was a batch in 1984. I don't know how many locos were costructed that year but records show: JS6257 Datong 11/83 JS6343 Datong 1984 JS6397 Datong 1985 This would seem to indicate that the locos you saw at Datong fell into the late 62** and early to upper mid 63** number sequence. I hope this is of some interest to you. Best regards, Roy. PS Many thanks for your efforts in bringing us your "steam discoveries" --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Cerny" wrote: > Duncan > > I'm quite sure some of the last banch were constructed at Datong, not > Dalian, as I saw construction underway at Datong in 1984. > > Louic Cerny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Florian Menius" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:18 PM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class > > > > Dear Duncan, > > > > Having checked my database, your suggestion seems plausible: I do not have > any JS numbered in the 6110-6206 range. So, it is quite likely, that you are > right. > > > > Summarised, this would mean: > > > > 1) JS 5001-61xx (maximum 6135) > > built at Dalian, Qishuyuan and Datong > > [The Baotou Steelworks JS with their strange numbers probaly come from > this "old" batch] > > 2) JS 6201-6558, Dalian 1981-1986 > > 3) JS 8001-8423, Dalian 1986-1988 > > > > Florian > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Evidently the head of the electrification project told him that the ribbon-cutting ceremony is set for July 20, and they will do anything to make that date. There are less trains during daylight so that they can use the time to do construction work. When he was there, they ran one train in the early morning and another in the afternoon only, all others operated at night. He said that foreigners are being asked to leave the railway, as reported here. I visited Zhoujiawan depot on the afternoon of April 4th. I didn't have any problem (that was a sunday) with workers there. In the evening I went to Fuxincheng and slept in the depot, after receiving a warm welcome from the station workers. Evidently there have been a LOT of foreigners here since my last visit. I wanted to make some night photos, but all the trains were westbound, i.e. downhill at FXC, so I didn't get any. By morning the entire roster of QJ's on the railway were positioned at Hushi waiting for loaded trains. If anyone does come here again, Monday morning might be a good time to see a big parade of coal from the mines. Ronald Olsen >I visited the Depot at Zhungeer with a small group on 8 April 2004. >Our guide was handed a notice advising of a complete ban on visiting >and photography. He was unclear as to the physical limits of the ban, >but it included the railway in the near vicinity. > >The depot folk were so keen for us to get the message, we found a >copy of the notice had been attached to our van while parked at the >hotel overnight! > >Offenders are liable to a fine not exceeding 10,000 RMB. > >Regards >Howard _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2773-1082284793-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 12:39:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3IAdDtW006703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:39:13 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3IAcfM2010722 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:38:44 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2773-1082284793-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2004 10:40:09 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79615 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2004 10:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2004 10:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2004 10:39:50 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HWD4AC00.9YR for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:39:48 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <766ab6d1.b6d1766a@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:39:48 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 741 The twin slide method on SY & some JS is commonly called an "Alligator" crosshead, Whereas the single upper slide, on other JS & the QJ which allows for easier maintenance, is called the "Laird" crosshead. I say this as it aplies here in Australia (NSW) but may well be known differently in other countries. However I can remember reading somewhere, maybe British Locomotives also had them called by the same names. Colin Hussey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cerny" Date: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:08 pm Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class > > > > > Hello All, > > > > Just wanted to make a comment here. To me the most obvious > difference in > > the JS numbered above 8000 is the method of support for the piston > rod and > > main rod in back of the cylinder. On the earlier JS this area is > supported > by what I'll call a yoke, which is located outward from and below > the two > > supporting slides (or guides) which are above and below the piston > rod (like > > on all SY). The JS with numbers over 8000 have the support > completely > above the piston rod (like on all QJ). From a photographic > standpoint, the > > yoke at least partially blocks a view of the drivers and side > rods, so the > > QJ and JS over 8000 allow a better view of the drivers and side rods, > > especially on the front two powered axles. > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Florian Menius" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 5:13 AM > > Subject: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class > > > > > > > Experts, please correct me. > > > > > > As far as I know, JS even can be divided into 3 sub-classes: > > > > > > 1) JS1 (old), built around 1956-1960/61, number series > starting with 5001 > > up > > > to 62xx (do not know exactly), built in Qishuyuan, Dalian and > maybe > elsewhere, > > > too > > > 2) JS1 (new), unaltered, built 1984-1986 in Datong, number series > > > 63xx/62xx-6558 > > > 3) JS2 (improved design), built 1986-1988 in Datong, number > series > 8001-8422 > > > > > > As fas as I know, no (or few) JS were built between 1961 and > 1984... > > > > > Does someone know further details? > > > > > > Florian > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2774-1082320865-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 22:40:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3IKe4eR007178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:40:04 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3IKdZM2023849 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:39:36 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2774-1082320865-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2004 20:41:05 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14010 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2004 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2004 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2004 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:41:03 -0700 Received: from 68.9.104.201 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:41:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2004 20:41:03.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[77500EF0:01C42585] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.10 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [68.9.104.201] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:41:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] 2-8-2 JS class Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 742 In the US, the twin slide crosshead is also called the Alligator type. The one used on QJ's is known as the multiple-bearing crosshead. >From Ed King's The A; "The Norfolk and Western Railway found that the lighter multiple-bearing crossheads yielded more mileage between shoe relinings, but were harder to keep in prpoer adjustment, and cracked or broken shoes were more difficult to detect." Ronald Olsen _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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The Laird crosshead also used a single guide, but the crosshead itself actually had a "box" cross-section which ran on the outside of the guide. The multiple bearing crossheads have a shoe in the form of sort of an "H" with a corresponding set of grooves inside the bar. Many U.S. railway adopted this design in the 1930's and 40's. The Norfolk and Western used it on some engines, but as Ronald mentioned found some faults with it and did not repeat it on subsequent locomotives. Regards, Hugh Odom The Ultimate Steam Page http://www.trainweb.org/tusp --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > The twin slide method on SY & some JS is commonly called an "Alligator" > crosshead, Whereas the single upper slide, on other JS & the QJ which > allows for easier maintenance, is called the "Laird" crosshead. > > I say this as it aplies here in Australia (NSW) but may well be known > differently in other countries. However I can remember reading > somewhere, maybe British Locomotives also had them called by the same > names. > > Colin Hussey ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Whilst NSW had some early Baldwyn's they were well before my time, however, from photo's I have seen they all had single slide crossheads (I stand coreection on this) The single slide (Laird type) was the one that was used on our stadards goods engines 2-8-0's except for one class of engines that had southern valve gear. What I have included for interest 2 pics that display the single slide crossheads for your interest regards Colin Hussey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Odom" Date: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:58 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: 2-8-2 JS class > > > > > Colin, > > > > I believe Ronald's post regarding the single guide crossheads is > > correct; those on the QJ's and later JS's are actually multiple > > bearing crossheads. > > > > The Laird crosshead also used a single guide, but the crosshead > > itself actually had a "box" cross-section which ran on > the outside > > of the guide. The multiple bearing crossheads have a shoe in the > > form of sort of an "H" with a corresponding set of > grooves inside > > the bar. Many U.S. railway adopted this design in the 1930's and > > 40's. The Norfolk and Western used it on some engines, but as > > Ronald mentioned found some faults with it and did not repeat it > on > > subsequent locomotives. > > > > Regards, > > Hugh Odom > > The Ultimate Steam Page > > http://www.trainweb.org/tusp > > > > --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, > > The twin slide method on SY & some JS is commonly called > > an "Alligator" > > > crosshead, Whereas the single upper slide, on other JS & > the QJ > > which > > > allows for easier maintenance, is called the > "Laird" crosshead. > > > > > > I say this as it aplies here in Australia (NSW) but may well > be > > known > > > differently in other countries. However I can remember > reading > > > somewhere, maybe British Locomotives also had them called by > the > > same > > > names. > > > > > > Colin Hussey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2780-1082493690-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 22:40:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3KKeRuw029747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:40:27 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3KKdtM2009583 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:39:56 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2780-1082493690-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2004 20:41:30 -0000 X-Sender: jonathan.allen@lineone.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48220 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 20:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 20:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 20:41:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2004 20:41:20 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <34444df7.342077b6.a530c00@mail06.onetel.net.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "jmallenus" X-Originating-IP: 80.225.133.224 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmallenus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:41:19 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: china bashers convention Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 748 Great idea. But could we make it somewhere like Carlisle so that those of us in the frozen north can get there? From what I remember, there is a good Chinese restaurant in the city :-) --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, jeremy richard walker wrote: > Fellow China steam bashers. > l have the germ of an idea which > l hope you will be interested in >> > > A get together is organized(in the U.K.) for Chinese steam > enthusiasts.My first thoughts are as follows > > > A village hall or room is hired situated near the M5 > between Bromsgrove and Gloucester? > > Say on a Sunday in July/August from 13.00 to 20.00? > > There would be presentations of slides and LCD projected > videos,only of China! > > Time allowed for chat and getting to know fellow bashers. > > Lineside type refreshments - bowls of instant noodles,red > sausages and beer,all Chinese?? > > lf enough people are interested(min 30) l would undertake to > find suitable premises after which a price could be > calculated,then if the minimum pay up front l could book the > venue and get things moving. > > Be clear,l am not intending to make a profit, but am most > definetly not going to make a loss.lf it goes ahead l would > need help to organize things(mainly arranging the > presentations) > > Please spread the word to fellow enthusiasts who are not > members of this group.Your comments/views/ideas will be most > welcome. > Dick Walker Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2781-1082495938-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 23:17:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3KLHusL003334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:17:57 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3KLHOM2016371 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:17:25 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2781-1082495938-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2004 21:18:59 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32009 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 21:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 21:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.144) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 21:18:56 -0000 Received: from web4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20040420211855.KDUW1274.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@web4-rme.xtra.co.nz>; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:18:55 +1200 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.86.28]) by web4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20040420211853.FDLE13120.web4-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a>; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:18:53 +1200 To: Cc: "Jeff Stebbins" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.144 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:18:56 +1200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] china bashers convention in New Zealand Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 749 Goodonyer Dick. How about New Zealand then you could all come see our two 1879 Rogers (USA) K class 2-4-2 tender loco's in action. Off to see a double header in the deep south this weekend. These are just 2 of the Locos that were dumped in a mountain stream in 1927 for river protection and recently exhumed along with a few others which will also run again. They survived due to the purity of our water! Where else can you see 125 years old American express locos at work? Will send a report to Robs site in due course! Regards mate, John Agnew. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2782-1082498785-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 00:05:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3KM5LAM006999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:05:21 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3KM4oM2023518 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:04:50 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2782-1082498785-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2004 22:06:25 -0000 X-Sender: jbwest@att.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58746 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 22:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 22:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 22:06:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2004 22:06:00 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "John West" X-Originating-IP: 12.72.132.204 X-Yahoo-Profile: jbardinwest MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:05:59 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng Orient Express Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 750 Okay, this kind of operation is not the thing most folks on this board do (or at least admit doing), but I'm thinking of trying it next October-November simply because it is something of an event in its own right. It will be much different than anything I've done before, and it might be the last time to see CNR green carriages behind a QJ. And it's early enough in the season that I can probably also do some hardcore gricing later on. Assuming any readers here are even willing to admit they have been on one of these operations, I would be interested in their experiences....the things that GWTravel does right and wrong, pros and cons, etc. Thanks in advance. And once again let me shameless promote my China website: John West ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Thanks so much for sharing them with us.......... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: John West To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:05 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jingpeng Orient Express Okay, this kind of operation is not the thing most folks on this board do (or at least admit doing), but I'm thinking of trying it next October-November simply because it is something of an event in its own right. It will be much different than anything I've done before, and it might be the last time to see CNR green carriages behind a QJ. And it's early enough in the season that I can probably also do some hardcore gricing later on. Assuming any readers here are even willing to admit they have been on one of these operations, I would be interested in their experiences....the things that GWTravel does right and wrong, pros and cons, etc. Thanks in advance. And once again let me shameless promote my China website: John West ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2784-1082504070-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 01:33:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3KNXRgn012437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:33:27 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3KNWtM2032198 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:32:56 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2784-1082504070-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2004 23:34:30 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38378 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 23:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 23:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 23:34:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 29840 invoked by uid 65534); 20 Apr 2004 23:33:26 -0000 Received: from brln-d51488dd.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO globesteam) (213.20.136.221) by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 01:33:26 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4046E818.23812.AA092D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1078233258.166.51891.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:26:00 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam at JiTong Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 752 Hello, in addition to the well known new rumours about the end of steam I want to add another one: during my recent trip to the JiTong line, our guide received a call from the "famous" Mr. He, who told us that he joined a meeting at the ministry of railways in Beijing a few days ago and the decision was made to dieselize all sections east of Daban by 1.4.2004! I don't know whether this is a realistic target, giving the number of additional diesel locomotives needed and the difficulties they had to phase out steam on the Zhelimu-Chabuga section. Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2785-1082516625-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 05:02:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3L32gl5021959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:02:42 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3L329M2015172 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:02:10 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2785-1082516625-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 03:03:45 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23663 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 03:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 03:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 03:03:44 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-006-209.arcor-ip.net [212.144.6.209]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D4FFB8101C for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:03:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008001c4274d$4c57bd00$d10690d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.42 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:51:27 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: 2-8-2 JS class Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 753 JS 6245, working in Yuanbaoshan, carries builders plates of 1983. Seems to be another batch, produced in 1983. Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Bowden To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: 2-8-2 JS class Hello Florian and everyone, I think your breakdown into three sub-sections is essentially correct. The JS1 (old) may have been built up until around 1965. There was a batch including JS6077 - 6081 reported as being built at Datong during that year, although higher numbered JS6093 - 6109 are reported as being built in 1960. The 1960s built locos may have ended somewhere around JS61** (JS6174 is recorded as being built at Datong in 1981). Milestones include: JS6201 - 6218 Datong 1981 JS6397 - 6406 Datong 1985 JS6472 - 6558 Datong 1986 (the last original JS). JS8001 (and possibly 8002) Datong 1986 JS8003 - 8267 Datong 1987 JS8268 - 8277 Datong 1987 or 1988 JS8278 - 8422 Datong 1988 JS8423 (renumbered from JS9999) Datong 1987 The 1950s and 1960s locos were built in quantity at Dalian and Qishuyan plus some from Beijing (Feb.7th works) and around 100 from Datong. The Datong locos were built between 1963 and 1965. There are many gaps in my knowledge, particularly regarding where one batch ends and another begins. Any additions and corrections would be much appreciated. I hope this helps. Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Florian Menius wrote: > Experts, please correct me. > > As far as I know, JS even can be divided into 3 sub-classes: > > 1) JS1 (old), built around 1956-1960/61, number series starting with 5001 up > to 62xx (do not know exactly), built in Qishuyuan, Dalian and maybe elsewhere, > too > 2) JS1 (new), unaltered, built 1984-1986 in Datong, number series > 63xx/62xx-6558 > 3) JS2 (improved design), built 1986-1988 in Datong, number series 8001-8422 > > As fas as I know, no (or few) JS were built between 1961 and 1984... > > Does someone know further details? > > Florian > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! 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They have too many crews to employ ... Chabuga - Zhelinmu is 100 % diesel, including the passenger. All diesels and the staff is leased from China Railways. My report will follow soon. Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Patt To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam at JiTong Hello, in addition to the well known new rumours about the end of steam I want to add another one: during my recent trip to the JiTong line, our guide received a call from the "famous" Mr. He, who told us that he joined a meeting at the ministry of railways in Beijing a few days ago and the decision was made to dieselize all sections east of Daban by 1.4.2004! I don't know whether this is a realistic target, giving the number of additional diesel locomotives needed and the difficulties they had to phase out steam on the Zhelimu-Chabuga section. Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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The full illustrated report will be available in some days on my web page. Trip Report China April 2004 Dahuichang No change to my previous reports. New record: we saw 11 return trips on a four hours visit. 100 Yuan per visitor entrance fee for visiting the “depot” and unloading yard is demanded as before. Baotou steelworks Due to reconstruction work on at least two blast furnaces, the traffic was limited. Access was much better than in other steelworks with visits to blast furnace no. 1 and 4, loco shed and sludge dump permitted. They have at least three sludge dumps. Information about which dump will be served next wasn’t available, so it was just a gamble to wait at one of the dumps for a train. Because of the limited operation, we failed on this dump but got a long lens shot of another one. Locos seen were: Steam locos: ET7 5328 out of use ET7 5332 out of use ET7 5333 out of use JS 58001 out of use SY 0264 under steam SY 0392 cold SY 0422 dumped SY 0711 under steam SY 0832 cold SY 1431 working SY 1517 under steam SY 1521 2/1987, under steam SY 1676 2/1989, working SY 1677 under repair SY 1697 9/1990, under steam SY 1723 4/1992, under steam SY 1743 7/1993, under steam SY 3012 1993, under steam XK 5902 out of use XK 5903 out of use YJ 232 out of use Diesel locos: GK0 1012 cold GK0 1014 working GK0 1015 1993, cold GK0 1019 working GK1 0042 1994, cold GK1 0055 1995, working GK1 0070 1996, cold TH4 087 Shijiazhuang 1996, dumped Dieselisation is going step by step and will be finished in about 2008. Beside the steelworks there is a rolling mill which has it’s own fleet of at least three SYs. In addition we saw an GK centre cab 6-6 loco loco working in the yard of the rolling mill. Access was denied because our permit covered the steelworks only. In the loco shed of China Railways were still several JS locos. All were in very sad shape and in dumped condition. We didn’t try to enter the shed. JiTong (Jining Nan – Jingpeng – Tongliao) Jining Nan – Benhong 100 % diesel (mainly) DF4B. Locos are state railway ones. Benhong – Baiqi Please, pronounce it “Baitshi”, otherwise you won’t be able to purchase a ticket to the right place. I often heard Baiki – no local would be able to sell you the correct ticket. The traffic to Benhong is nearly 100% diesel with DF4B and DF4D. Only the passenger is still a steam duty. Responsible for this section is the depot of Baiqi. Baiqi – Haoluku On this section, the loco depot of Baiqi is responsible for the traction. So they are using a diesel if ever it’s possible. We saw about 80% steam and 20% diesel. Haoluku – Daban Still 100% steam over the famous Jingpeng Pass. We won’t rename the pass, but Jingpeng is not the commonly used name in this area. They mainly call the city Keqi. Daban’s locos serve this section. Daban – Chabuga For this section, Daban is responsible as well. As they just took over all steam locos of Chabuga, they are able to operate more than 50% of all freight trains with two engines. Whether it makes economic sense or not is doubtful. Chabuga – Zhelinmu This section was served by the locos from Chabuga until April 1st, 2004. Now the JiTong line leased DF4Bs from China Railways together with China Railways staff. The workers and engineers from Chabuga are at the state railway’s school to learn how to drive and how to maintain diesel locomotives. Zhelinmu – Tongliao 100% diesel on this short section, as ever. General information The main question is: When will the remaining steam vanish? To make it short: nobody knows. All reports with fixed dates are rumours and guesswork. The managers in charge are not willing to give you a fixed date. It’s a Chinese problem: the man who made a decision is responsible for the success of it. If you do not change a running system, you’ll not make a mistake. All available information said that steam is by far cheaper than diesel, at least on the section Daban – Haoluku (see my previous reports). In March 2003 they made several more test runs with diesel over the pass. The result of these test runs was that the management was not satisfied. There are several reasons which are difficult to explain. Let us call them Chinese problems. However, it is a fact that neither economical nor technical concerns would stop dieselisation (as it didn’t in any other part of the world so far I know – except tourist railways). The old game was played in Daban: Give them a black/white question and you’ll get an answer that could fill a full evening. There aren’t easy answers. However, there are some facts that clearly show the future: 1) All 30 steam locomotives assigned to Chabuga were sent to Daban. 2) 17 of the 30 locomotives are dumped in Daban, the rest went into service, mainly to improve the traction of the trains between Chabuga and Daban from single headed to double headed trains. Maybe, it’s just to maintain the surplus manpower. 3) The loco depot of Chabuga, normally staffed with 240 employees, has only 60 remaining employees. The rest was sent to China Rail for education in diesel locomotives. 4) The school period for loco drivers is 15 days only. As long as they’re not back to Daban, loco crews from China Railways are working on the leased DF4 locomotives of China Railways. 5) The education for maintenance workers will take 5 months. As long as this staff is not back to Daban, there will be leased China Railways locomotives on the line Tongliao – Chabuga. After they return to Chabuga, we will have to wait and see what will happen. Maybe, JiTong will purchase used diesels from the state railway. 6) Overhauls for QJs continues as usual. There are five workshops which are used by JiTong: - Baichang - Sujiatun - Mudanjiang - Dahusan - Fuxin I reconfirmed Mudanjiang twice. Yes, they’re still repairing steam locos for JiTong, although the works were closed for steam loco repairs two years ago. We saw QJ 6912 just returning to Baiqi from a heavy overhaul. 7) A group of engineers visited Daban to decide at which place they want to build the diesel fuel station. No additional work for diesel was done until now. No contract with a private company was signed, no parts were ordered. But, on paper everything is done already. 8) There is no opportunity to repair diesel locomotives in Daban until now. To establish the full facilities and train the workers they need at least six months. 9) They introduced a system of white, yellow and red stars to make it public which loco crew cares for the boilers of their engines well, and which do not. At every boiler washout they’ll add a new star on the smoke deflectors. A red star shows to others that the boiler was in excellent condition, a yellow star is given for a boiler in medium shape, and a white star is for one in very bad condition. The loco crews will not get any additional payment for good boiler conditions. It is a competition for fame and recognition. 10) The loco crews will get money for saving coal and oil. They’ll get a compensation for less consumption with the same amount as they saved money for the railway. The maximum premium is capped at 200 Yuan per month and per person. 11) The salaries improved another time. Loco drivers now can earn up to 2.000 Yuan per month, while firemen can earn up to 1.400 Yuan. JiTong is paying very good salaries to their workers and this improves the living conditions in the whole region. The local people are keen to get a job with the railway while it seems that the railway workers (although there are many thefts of railway property– to sell to foreigners) are at least a bit proud to be an employee of this railway. 12) There are plans to purchase new diesel, even if they have to spend a huge amount of money to do so. They’re discussing about nine or ten in 2004. There is no decision made on which section they’ll use these units. But there are people with a significant influence on decisions who want to see the first diesels on the section Daban – Haoluku over the Jingpeng pass. 13) Importantly, political decisions can not be forgotten and, if there is a member of the government or another high official who points his finger at Daban and says, that this line has to be dieselised as soon as possible, then within a few weeks all plans are cancelled and the line will be fully dieselised in less than two months! 14) The main problem for an overnight change of traction are the non existing facilities for the maintenance of diesels in Daban. in addition to the training of the “ground” staff. Conclusion According to the little information with which we can be reasonably confident, we can make some educated guesses. JiTong will be dieselised for sure. It’s only a question of a short time: in the best scenario two years; in the worst case, of two months. Dieselisation is planned step by step. In my opinion, steam operation over the pass will be untouched until August 2004. By the end of August, Chabuga will have both trained workers and facilities for diesel maintenance. So Daban can send their locos to Chabuga for repairs or scheduled checks. As the locos from Daban reach Chabuga regularly there is no problem in doing this. I think that the JiTong management will wait for some weeks before they introduce diesel on the pass to give the Chabuga staff time to get some experience in repairing diesels. So from October 2004 onwards I expect to see diesel on the section Daban – Haoluku. Not 100 % suddenly, but more and more. The next winter might be see some steam at the pass, but I do not expect the same spectacle as it was before as every train ran with steam. So what to do? Go as soon and/or as often as you can. There is no other steam line in the world that can compete with JiTong (although it’s not my favourite line in China – this is Hechi). I’ll g there again in June and September, but I’m just planning a “sunflower-trip” in August as well. After steam at the pass is finished, there is a lot time to be sad about missed opportunities … Yuanbaoshan No changes according to my previous report. We saw the following locos: JS 6245 working built in 1983 JS 6544 working built in 1987 JS 8216 working built in 1987 JS 8218 working built in 1987 JS 8249 cold in the shed built in 1987 JS 8250 fresh painted, cold in the shed built in 1987 Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2788-1082527488-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 08:03:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3L63iHU004280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:03:44 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.16]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3L63BM2010283 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:03:12 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2788-1082527488-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 06:04:48 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15029 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 06:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 06:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 06:04:45 -0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20040421060442.ETVT1313.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:04:42 +1200 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.86.28]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20040421060442.JABO6422.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:04:42 +1200 To: "Steam_in_China" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.145 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:04:45 +1200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] FW: china bashers convention in New Zealand Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 756 Dont know if this ever made the group? I got this message back saying it contained banned content???? Weird? here tis again unabridged. Incident Information:- Database: d:/notes/data/mail.box Originator: "John Agnew" Recipients: , "Jeff Stebbins" Subject: [Steam_in_China] china bashers convention in New Zealand Date/Time: 04/21/2004 06:55:23 AM Message sent to was quarantined because it contained banned content. -----Original Message----- From: John Agnew [mailto:john@railmaster.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 9:19 a.m. To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Cc: Jeff Stebbins Subject: china bashers convention in New Zealand Goodonyer Dick. How about New Zealand then you could all come see our two 1879 Rogers (USA) K class 2-4-2 tender loco's in action. Off to see a double header in the deep south this weekend. These are just 2 of the Locos that were dumped in a mountain stream in 1927 for river protection and recently exhumed along with a few others which will also run again. They survived due to the purity of our water! Where else can you see 125 years old American express locos at work? Will send a report to Robs site in due course! Regards mate, John Agnew. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2789-1082527854-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 08:09:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3L69oZO004971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:09:50 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.85]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3L69HM2012991 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:09:18 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2789-1082527854-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 06:10:54 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43397 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 06:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 06:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.177) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 06:10:53 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BGAwI-0003lH-00 for steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:10:30 +0200 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BGAwH-0006HG-00 for steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:10:29 +0200 Message-ID: <4086104A.D68FC90A@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.177 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:10:18 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Steam Lines in Chinas Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 757 Dear group members, just want to feed the list of "new steam discoveries" a little bit more ... Mr Futoshi Sawagushi from Japan, webmaster of the superb Japanese "Steam in China" homepage (http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/) recently added a list of Chinese steam lines to his website ( http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/slmap.htm ). I checked his list during the last weekend - with interessting results. I found a couple of interessting entries, part of them new to me. 1) Dalian Chemical Factory at Dalian/Liaoning, SYs in use and a YJ present 2) JingLong Coal Railway Caol Railway branching off the CNR line Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan at Jinglong (Jingxing in Quails Map, 43 km from Shijiazhuang). SYs are the motive power. 3) HeBi Power Plant HeBi ist situated south-west of Anyang on a brach line from Tangyin. 3 JS are in use. 4) Lianyungang Power Plant Terminus of the Xuzhou-Linyi-Lianyungang CNR line. QJ 7192 is present. Diesels may be there, too, but not confirmed. 5) Shaoxing Coal Railway Shaoxing is situated between Hangzhou and Ningbo. At least 3 SY (0738, 1447, 1536) work the Shoxing-Lizhu railway line, some 10-15km of line, s/w of Shaoxing. 6) Neijiang-Yibin Sichuan province, Neijing is between Chengdu and Chongqing. There are rumors that there is a JS-worked local southwards from Neijing or close by. No details known. 7) Guiyang Steelworks (Guizhou Prov.) 3 SYs in use (incl. 1469, 1485) 8) Guiyang Wushui Corp. SYs in use, too. (incl. SY 0398, 1482) 9) Anshun Coal Railway 20-km-long, SY worked coal railway in Jinchengjiang-like karst scenery. Extends northwards from Anshun (Guiyang-Kunming line) 10) Wangjiazhai Coal Railway SY worked coal railway system, extending from Shuicheng near Liupanshui (Guiyang-Kunming line) 11) Shuicheng Steelworks Same location as Wangjiazhai Coal Railway. Steelworks operation with 19 SYs. 12) Fenghuang Branch line extending from Fenghuang between Liuzhou and Laibin. 2 pairs of trains (one in the morning, one in the afternoon), worked by 3 SYs. 13) Guilin Industrial Railway 20 km long industrial railway extending from Guilin, worked by SY 0913. (This line probably is not identical with the Guilin-Daxu line which belongs to Guangxi Local Rlwy.Corp. and uses JS.) Some interessting operations, isn`t it? If someone can contribute any additional information or wants to visit and report about these operations : very much appreciated ! Thanks to Mr.Futoshi Sawaguchi for his help ! Best regards, Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2790-1082530845-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 08:59:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3L6xgrF012175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:59:42 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3L6x9M2001713 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:59:10 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2790-1082530845-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 07:00:46 -0000 X-Sender: nobleman@nobleman.demon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97968 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 07:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 07:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 07:00:44 -0000 Received: from nobleman.demon.co.uk ([194.222.193.1] helo=D7D7YF0J) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BGBir-00083N-0b; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:00:42 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c4276e$5b55c510$01c1dec2@D7D7YF0J> To: Cc: References: <34444df7.342077b6.a530c00@mail06.onetel.net.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 194.217.242.86 From: "mr" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:00:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] china bashers convention Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 758 Dear Richard As I may have mentioned I am definitely interested and would move heaven and earth to drive over - it is however far from central from my perspective - is London better?? Michael Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeremy richard walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] china bashers convention > Fellow China steam bashers. > l have the germ of an idea which > l hope you will be interested in >> > > A get together is organized(in the U.K.) for Chinese steam > enthusiasts.My first thoughts are as follows > > > A village hall or room is hired situated near the M5 > between Bromsgrove and Gloucester? > > Say on a Sunday in July/August from 13.00 to 20.00? > > There would be presentations of slides and LCD projected > videos,only of China! > > Time allowed for chat and getting to know fellow bashers. > > Lineside type refreshments - bowls of instant noodles,red > sausages and beer,all Chinese?? > > lf enough people are interested(min 30) l would undertake to > find suitable premises after which a price could be > calculated,then if the minimum pay up front l could book the > venue and get things moving. > > Be clear,l am not intending to make a profit, but am most > definetly not going to make a loss.lf it goes ahead l would > need help to organize things(mainly arranging the > presentations) > > Please spread the word to fellow enthusiasts who are not > members of this group.Your comments/views/ideas will be most > welcome. > Dick Walker > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2791-1082536324-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 10:31:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3L8V1e1026749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:31:01 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3L8USM2004647 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:30:29 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2791-1082536324-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 08:32:05 -0000 X-Sender: mbkmav@powerup.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53575 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 08:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 08:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smta03.mail.ozemail.net) (203.103.165.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 08:32:03 -0000 Received: from oi36io7gm4qrn60 ([210.84.83.192]) by smta03.mail.ozemail.net with ESMTP id <20040421082937.XXLQ11826.smta03.mail.ozemail.net@oi36io7gm4qrn60> for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:29:37 +0000 To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQnZjkF/+VCXDq5RFau8134G2oOnwAFNvrQ Message-Id: <20040421082937.XXLQ11826.smta03.mail.ozemail.net@oi36io7gm4qrn60> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.103.165.70 From: "Marilyn Beale" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:33:09 +1000 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] FW: china bashers convention in New Zealand Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 759 I also got a message back saying the same thing - someth9ing about 'china bashers convention'. I certainly did not send anything of this nature - I think it is someone having a lend of us. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: John Agnew [mailto:john@railmaster.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 4:05 PM To: Steam_in_China Subject: [Steam_in_China] FW: china bashers convention in New Zealand Dont know if this ever made the group? I got this message back saying it contained banned content???? Weird? here tis again unabridged. Incident Information:- Database: d:/notes/data/mail.box Originator: "John Agnew" Recipients: , "Jeff Stebbins" Subject: [Steam_in_China] china bashers convention in New Zealand Date/Time: 04/21/2004 06:55:23 AM Message sent to was quarantined because it contained banned content. -----Original Message----- From: John Agnew [mailto:john@railmaster.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 9:19 a.m. To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Cc: Jeff Stebbins Subject: china bashers convention in New Zealand Goodonyer Dick. How about New Zealand then you could all come see our two 1879 Rogers (USA) K class 2-4-2 tender loco's in action. Off to see a double header in the deep south this weekend. These are just 2 of the Locos that were dumped in a mountain stream in 1927 for river protection and recently exhumed along with a few others which will also run again. They survived due to the purity of our water! Where else can you see 125 years old American express locos at work? Will send a report to Robs site in due course! Regards mate, John Agnew. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2792-1082541387-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 11:55:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3L9tNf5011511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:55:24 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.38]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3L9soM2003811 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:54:52 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2792-1082541387-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 09:56:27 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69614 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 09:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 09:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.185) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 09:56:25 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BGESX-0000sh-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:56:01 +0200 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BGESX-0000CM-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:56:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4086452F.686225C1@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <4086104A.D68FC90A@qj-country.de> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.185 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:56:00 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New Steam Lines in Chinas Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i3L9tNf5011511 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 760 Hallo Julien, knnte dich als zuknftigen Shanghai-Einwohner interessieren: laut japanischen websites gibt es in Shaoxing (zwischen Hangzhou und Ningbo) ein SY betriebenes Kohlebahnsystem. Geschtzte (Auto-)Fahrzeit ab Shanghai: maximal 2 Stunden ... Florian > Dear group members, > > just want to feed the list of "new steam discoveries" a little bit > more > ... > > Mr Futoshi Sawagushi from Japan, webmaster of the superb Japanese > "Steam > in > China" homepage (http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/) recently added a > list of > Chinese steam lines to his website ( > http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/slmap.htm ). I checked his list > during > the last weekend - with interessting results. I found a couple of > interessting entries, part of them new to me. > > 1) Dalian Chemical Factory > at Dalian/Liaoning, SYs in use and a YJ present > > 2) JingLong Coal Railway > Caol Railway branching off the CNR line Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan at > Jinglong > > (Jingxing in Quails Map, 43 km from Shijiazhuang). SYs are the motive > power. > > 3) HeBi Power Plant > HeBi ist situated south-west of Anyang on a brach line from Tangyin. 3 > > JS > are in use. > > 4) Lianyungang Power Plant > Terminus of the Xuzhou-Linyi-Lianyungang CNR line. QJ 7192 is present. > > Diesels may be there, too, but not confirmed. > > 5) Shaoxing Coal Railway > Shaoxing is situated between Hangzhou and Ningbo. At least 3 SY (0738, > > 1447, > 1536) work the Shoxing-Lizhu railway line, some 10-15km of line, s/w > of > Shaoxing. > > 6) Neijiang-Yibin > Sichuan province, Neijing is between Chengdu and Chongqing. There are > rumors > that there is a JS-worked local southwards from Neijing or close by. > No > details known. > > 7) Guiyang Steelworks (Guizhou Prov.) > 3 SYs in use (incl. 1469, 1485) > > 8) Guiyang Wushui Corp. > SYs in use, too. (incl. SY 0398, 1482) > > 9) Anshun Coal Railway > 20-km-long, SY worked coal railway in Jinchengjiang-like karst > scenery. > Extends northwards from Anshun (Guiyang-Kunming line) > > 10) Wangjiazhai Coal Railway > SY worked coal railway system, extending from Shuicheng near > Liupanshui > (Guiyang-Kunming line) > > 11) Shuicheng Steelworks > Same location as Wangjiazhai Coal Railway. Steelworks operation with > 19 > SYs. > > 12) Fenghuang > Branch line extending from Fenghuang between Liuzhou and Laibin. 2 > pairs > of > trains (one in the morning, one in the afternoon), worked by 3 SYs. > > 13) Guilin Industrial Railway > 20 km long industrial railway extending from Guilin, worked by SY > 0913. > (This line probably is not identical with the Guilin-Daxu line which > belongs > to Guangxi Local Rlwy.Corp. and uses JS.) > > Some interessting operations, isn`t it? > > If someone can contribute any additional information or wants to visit > > and > report about these operations : very much appreciated ! > > Thanks to Mr.Futoshi Sawaguchi for his help ! > > Best regards, > > Florian Menius > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2793-1082547735-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 13:41:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3LBfB4X001837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:41:11 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.73]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3LBecM2004706 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:40:39 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2793-1082547735-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 11:42:16 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49061 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 11:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 11:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 11:42:14 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.77.132] by mail_macace_net; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:38:14 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4086452F.686225C1@qj-country.de> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: Ian Bowskill <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:41:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New Steam Lines in Chinas Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i3LBfB4X001837 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 761 Hi, Am I correct in assuming this translates as an SY worked coal railway in Shaoxing, between Hangzhou and Ningbo, which is a maximum of 2 hours by car from Shanghai? Rgds Ian On Wednesday, April 21, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Florian Menius wrote: > Hallo Julien, > > knnte dich als zuknftigen Shanghai-Einwohner interessieren: laut > japanischen websites gibt es in Shaoxing (zwischen Hangzhou und Ningbo) > ein SY betriebenes Kohlebahnsystem. Geschtzte (Auto-)Fahrzeit ab > Shanghai: maximal 2 Stunden ... > > Florian > >> Dear group members, >> >> just want to feed the list of "new steam discoveries" a little bit >> more >> ... >> >> Mr Futoshi Sawagushi from Japan, webmaster of the superb Japanese >> "Steam >> in >> China" homepage (http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/) recently added a >> list of >> Chinese steam lines to his website ( >> http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/slmap.htm ). I checked his list >> during >> the last weekend - with interessting results. I found a couple of >> interessting entries, part of them new to me. >> >> 1) Dalian Chemical Factory >> at Dalian/Liaoning, SYs in use and a YJ present >> >> 2) JingLong Coal Railway >> Caol Railway branching off the CNR line Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan at >> Jinglong >> >> (Jingxing in Quails Map, 43 km from Shijiazhuang). SYs are the motive >> power. >> >> 3) HeBi Power Plant >> HeBi ist situated south-west of Anyang on a brach line from Tangyin. 3 >> >> JS >> are in use. >> >> 4) Lianyungang Power Plant >> Terminus of the Xuzhou-Linyi-Lianyungang CNR line. QJ 7192 is present. >> >> Diesels may be there, too, but not confirmed. >> >> 5) Shaoxing Coal Railway >> Shaoxing is situated between Hangzhou and Ningbo. At least 3 SY (0738, >> >> 1447, >> 1536) work the Shoxing-Lizhu railway line, some 10-15km of line, s/w >> of >> Shaoxing. >> >> 6) Neijiang-Yibin >> Sichuan province, Neijing is between Chengdu and Chongqing. There are >> rumors >> that there is a JS-worked local southwards from Neijing or close by. >> No >> details known. >> >> 7) Guiyang Steelworks (Guizhou Prov.) >> 3 SYs in use (incl. 1469, 1485) >> >> 8) Guiyang Wushui Corp. >> SYs in use, too. (incl. SY 0398, 1482) >> >> 9) Anshun Coal Railway >> 20-km-long, SY worked coal railway in Jinchengjiang-like karst >> scenery. >> Extends northwards from Anshun (Guiyang-Kunming line) >> >> 10) Wangjiazhai Coal Railway >> SY worked coal railway system, extending from Shuicheng near >> Liupanshui >> (Guiyang-Kunming line) >> >> 11) Shuicheng Steelworks >> Same location as Wangjiazhai Coal Railway. Steelworks operation with >> 19 >> SYs. >> >> 12) Fenghuang >> Branch line extending from Fenghuang between Liuzhou and Laibin. 2 >> pairs >> of >> trains (one in the morning, one in the afternoon), worked by 3 SYs. >> >> 13) Guilin Industrial Railway >> 20 km long industrial railway extending from Guilin, worked by SY >> 0913. >> (This line probably is not identical with the Guilin-Daxu line which >> belongs >> to Guangxi Local Rlwy.Corp. and uses JS.) >> >> Some interessting operations, isn`t it? >> >> If someone can contribute any additional information or wants to visit >> >> and >> report about these operations : very much appreciated ! >> >> Thanks to Mr.Futoshi Sawaguchi for his help ! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Florian Menius >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> Yahoo! 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QJ 7192 is present I am still waiting confirmation of the Tienchen Coal Railways engine Numbers. I was given them in February, but left my notebook in a taxi in BJ, however I was informed that they had 6 operating QJ's & I think that 7192 was one of theirs. Tienchen operates services from their CNR intercahnge towards the CNR Xuxhou - Yanzhou line. To the south of the junction on the eastern side there appears to be a large power stations. I videoed a long rake of loaded coal being taken by 7189 towards the CNR line Looking at Quails map it certainly looks to be in the right area to be served by Tienchen loco's Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Does anyone know if there are anymore Baldwin SN's stored/dumped anywhere besides the three (23/26/29) as listed on Robin Gibbons page? 2. Does anyone have a good clear photo of the front of JS 8120 at PDS showing the large curved headboard which loosely translated states "Drive the locomotive fast to become comfortably off" or "Get rich quick". Thanks in advance. TH ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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I was informed that >they had 6 operating QJ's & I think >that 7192 was one of theirs. According to my database, QJ 7189 belongs to the Yanzhou Coal Railway (ZouXian CNR exchange yard). 17 QJs and 5 DF4DD in use. The Tienchun Railway connect with CNR at Tengzhou and has got at least 5 QJs (6276, 7068, 7069, 7198, 7199) plus one DF4. Neither of them is Lianyuangang, I suppose which is 223 km east of Xuzhou at the coast. ("gang" from Lianyuangang means harbour...). Best regards, Florian PS: My German message about Shaoxing was sent to the newsgroup by mistake. It should be a private message. But Ian`s translation is correct, of course. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2797-1082556487-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 16:07:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3LE73fw025909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:07:03 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3LE6UM2015623 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:06:31 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2797-1082556487-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 14:08:07 -0000 X-Sender: ellisdesign@supanet.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54877 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 14:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 14:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO etrn.pipemedia.net) (217.31.128.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 14:08:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 29418 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 14:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO peter-kk) (217.31.146.171) by smtp.pipemedia.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 14:07:03 -0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:07:04 +0100 Message-ID: <01C427B2.4E7A0CE0.ellisdesign@supanet.com> To: "'Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com'" X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.31.128.29 From: Peter J Ellis X-Yahoo-Profile: ellisdesign2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:07:04 +0100 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] A Couple of Questions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 765 Hi I have a reasonably clear photo of 8120, taken in March this year. Unfortunately it is a colour slide, and my scanner is out of action at the moment. If no-one else comes in with one within the next week or so (I am sure they will), ask again as I should be up and running by then. Peter Ellis On 21 April 2004 13:55, Trevor Heath [SMTP:trevor@livesteaming.com] wrote: > << File: ATT00018.html >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2798-1082557067-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 16:16:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3LEGhCL027242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:16:43 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3LEGAM2018058 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:16:11 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2798-1082557067-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 14:17:47 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75290 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 14:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 14:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 14:17:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 14:16:37 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 80.193.104.137 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:16:35 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: A Couple of Questions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 766 Trevor, I have uploaded a video still of JS 8120 to my website. I hope that it's clear enough for you? URL http://www.spdvp.co.uk/images/pds8120.jpg Best wishes, Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Trevor Heath wrote: > Hi, > > 1. Does anyone know if there are anymore Baldwin SN's stored/dumped anywhere > besides the three (23/26/29) as listed on Robin Gibbons page? > > 2. Does anyone have a good clear photo of the front of JS 8120 at PDS > showing the large curved headboard which loosely translated states "Drive > the locomotive fast to become comfortably off" or "Get rich quick". > > Thanks in advance. > > TH ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2800-1082568025-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 19:19:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3LHJLOL018938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:19:21 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3LHImM2006177 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:18:48 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2800-1082568025-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 17:20:25 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58830 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 17:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 17:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 17:20:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 17:19:36 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "Florian Menius" X-Originating-IP: 213.61.40.85 X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:19:34 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Bouncing Group Members Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 768 Hello, currently 34 members of the group have boucing accounts. So, they cannot post messages until they reconfirm the validity of their e-mail address. I cannot do anything! If you had troubles to post, please check the group`s homepage (http: //groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China ), sign in with your Yahoo-ID and check "Members" - "Bouncing". Best regards, Florian Menius ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2801-1082590662-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Apr 22 01:36:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3LNarcV021601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:36:53 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3LNaAM2011032 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:36:17 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2801-1082590662-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 23:37:49 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51670 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 23:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 23:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 23:37:40 -0000 Received: from 66-44-6-115.s1639.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.6.115] helo=S0028187519) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1BGRHH-0006mD-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:37:15 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c427f9$94684d60$73062c42@S0028187519> To: References: <4086104A.D68FC90A@qj-country.de> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.62 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:37:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New Steam Lines in Chinas Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 769 Florian Menius Thanks so much to you and Furtoshi Sawagushi for this new information. Let the history of our hobby record that in the first four months of 2004, new steam lines were being discovered by enthusiasts at a much higher rate than the previously known ones were disappearing. Your website and discussion group deserve a lot of the credit for inspiring these discoveries and making them known so they can be enjoyed and photographically recorded. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:10 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Steam Lines in Chinas > Dear group members, > > just want to feed the list of "new steam discoveries" a little bit more > ... > > Mr Futoshi Sawagushi from Japan, webmaster of the superb Japanese "Steam > in > China" homepage (http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/) recently added a > list of > Chinese steam lines to his website ( > http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/slmap.htm ). I checked his list during > the last weekend - with interessting results. I found a couple of > interessting entries, part of them new to me. > > 1) Dalian Chemical Factory > at Dalian/Liaoning, SYs in use and a YJ present > > 2) JingLong Coal Railway > Caol Railway branching off the CNR line Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan at Jinglong > > (Jingxing in Quails Map, 43 km from Shijiazhuang). SYs are the motive > power. > > 3) HeBi Power Plant > HeBi ist situated south-west of Anyang on a brach line from Tangyin. 3 > JS > are in use. > > 4) Lianyungang Power Plant > Terminus of the Xuzhou-Linyi-Lianyungang CNR line. QJ 7192 is present. > Diesels may be there, too, but not confirmed. > > 5) Shaoxing Coal Railway > Shaoxing is situated between Hangzhou and Ningbo. At least 3 SY (0738, > 1447, > 1536) work the Shoxing-Lizhu railway line, some 10-15km of line, s/w of > Shaoxing. > > 6) Neijiang-Yibin > Sichuan province, Neijing is between Chengdu and Chongqing. There are > rumors > that there is a JS-worked local southwards from Neijing or close by. No > details known. > > 7) Guiyang Steelworks (Guizhou Prov.) > 3 SYs in use (incl. 1469, 1485) > > 8) Guiyang Wushui Corp. > SYs in use, too. (incl. SY 0398, 1482) > > 9) Anshun Coal Railway > 20-km-long, SY worked coal railway in Jinchengjiang-like karst scenery. > Extends northwards from Anshun (Guiyang-Kunming line) > > 10) Wangjiazhai Coal Railway > SY worked coal railway system, extending from Shuicheng near Liupanshui > (Guiyang-Kunming line) > > 11) Shuicheng Steelworks > Same location as Wangjiazhai Coal Railway. Steelworks operation with 19 > SYs. > > 12) Fenghuang > Branch line extending from Fenghuang between Liuzhou and Laibin. 2 pairs > of > trains (one in the morning, one in the afternoon), worked by 3 SYs. > > 13) Guilin Industrial Railway > 20 km long industrial railway extending from Guilin, worked by SY 0913. > (This line probably is not identical with the Guilin-Daxu line which > belongs > to Guangxi Local Rlwy.Corp. and uses JS.) > > Some interessting operations, isn`t it? > > If someone can contribute any additional information or wants to visit > and > report about these operations : very much appreciated ! > > Thanks to Mr.Futoshi Sawaguchi for his help ! > > Best regards, > > Florian Menius ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2802-1082591667-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Apr 22 01:55:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3LNtPTF022418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:55:26 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3LNsiM2012333 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:54:50 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2802-1082591667-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2004 23:56:22 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7293 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 23:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 23:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 23:54:26 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HWJP2L00.9OZ for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:54:21 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2aeec28092.280922aeec@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:54:21 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New Steam Lines in Chinas Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 770 Florian My mistake I looked at Quails map & mistook Luijazhuang (561) as the one you reffered to, teaches me to not read late at night. Re engine numbers. Whilst at Tienchen I swapped some Australian photo's with the friendly staff there. One immediately raced off & came back with a photo of QJ 6272 taken at the Teinchen - Cnr interchange. Colin ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 772 Forwarded message from Bruce Evans: Hi Folks, Just returned from a trip to the Tongchuan area. Think I have one new steam line to report, Podicun-Chengcheng coal mines with 4 QJs, plus some news on a few others but will put this all in a report for Florian's website. I have noticed the recent discussion on possible steam workings at Jincheng in Shanxi Province. It looks as if there may be some confusion and that Jincheng in Shanxi (north of Luoyang) is getting mixed up with Jinchang in Gansu near Hexipu? Can the original contributors possibly clarify? Last winter I passed through Jincheng (Shanxi) in the train returning from Changzhibei. In the north station where the junction for the west line to the coal mine area is I saw no sign of steam. A DF4/4B double-header was however pulling out of the station and I assumed it was heading up the mine line (the CNR line is electrified). The west line is shown on some maps as extending for about 70km via Yancheng to Qinshui on the electrified Houma-Yueshan line - it is shown as crossing the Houma-Yueshan line. I have no confirmation that this line is complete and fully operational. Presumably it is owned by the local coal administration. When at Changzhibei and at the depot at the nearby coal railway system we asked railway workers if they knew whether there was steam at Jincheng. The answers were generally negative. There are however quite a few large mines in the Jincheng / Yancheng area and there may well be steam worked lines feeding into the 'mainline'. When someone next goes to the Changzhi area they should take a day and do some exploring around Jincheng. From what I could see the terrain is generally mountainous so if there is steam there may be some impressive workings. Even if Jincheng does not have steam there should be some interesting railway operations in the area given the number and size of the mines and the nature of the terrain. CNR works double-headed SS4 electrics on block coal trains from here to Yueshan and the CNR line is double-track. Cheers, Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2805-1082643914-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Apr 22 16:26:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3MEQ7QB014261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:26:07 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3MEOOpa008543 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:24:25 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2805-1082643914-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2004 14:25:14 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16076 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2004 14:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2004 14:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2004 14:25:12 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.204.202]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040422142147.UNYM1012.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:21:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: <40875B04.103DAA9C@qj-country.de> References: <40875B04.103DAA9C@qj-country.de> Message-Id: <90E8BA69-9468-11D8-BC22-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.45 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:23:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Jincheng: Shanxi or Gansu province ? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 773 I was referring to Jinchang, in Gansu as the discussion seemed to be about steam in the far NorthWest. Duncan On 22 Apr 2004, at 06:41, Florian Menius wrote: > Forwarded message from Bruce Evans: > > > Hi Folks, > > Just returned from a trip to the Tongchuan area. Think I have one new > steam > line to report, Podicun-Chengcheng coal mines with 4 QJs, plus some > news > on > a few others but will put this all in a report for Florian's website. > > I have noticed the recent discussion on possible steam workings at > Jincheng > in Shanxi Province. It looks as if there may be some confusion and that > Jincheng in Shanxi (north of Luoyang) is getting mixed up with Jinchang > in > Gansu near Hexipu? Can the original contributors possibly clarify? > > Last winter I passed through Jincheng (Shanxi) in the train returning > from > Changzhibei. In the north station where the junction for the west line > to > the coal mine area is I saw no sign of steam. A DF4/4B double-header > was > > however pulling out of the station and I assumed it was heading up the > mine > line (the CNR line is electrified). The west line is shown on some maps > as > extending for about 70km via Yancheng to Qinshui on the electrified > Houma-Yueshan line - it is shown as crossing the Houma-Yueshan line. I > have > no confirmation that this line is complete and fully operational. > Presumably > it is owned by the local coal administration. > > When at Changzhibei and at the depot at the nearby coal railway system > we > asked railway workers if they knew whether there was steam at Jincheng. > The > answers were generally negative. There are however quite a few large > mines > in the Jincheng / Yancheng area and there may well be steam worked > lines > > feeding into the 'mainline'. When someone next goes to the Changzhi > area > > they should take a day and do some exploring around Jincheng. From what > I > could see the terrain is generally mountainous so if there is steam > there > may be some impressive workings. > > Even if Jincheng does not have steam there should be some interesting > railway operations in the area given the number and size of the mines > and > the nature of the terrain. CNR works double-headed SS4 electrics on > block > coal trains from here to Yueshan and the CNR line is double-track. > > Cheers, > > Bruce > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2806-1082684167-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 03:36:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3N1aAE2007283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:36:10 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3N1YRpa030417 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:34:28 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2806-1082684167-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2004 01:36:07 -0000 X-Sender: drittson@cia.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30008 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2004 01:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2004 01:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2004 01:36:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2004 01:35:58 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040421082937.XXLQ11826.smta03.mail.ozemail.net@oi36io7gm4qrn60> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Dennis Rittson" X-Originating-IP: 203.2.218.156 X-Yahoo-Profile: drittson MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:35:58 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: FW: china bashers convention in New Zealand Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 774 Marilyn and all, > I also got a message back saying the same thing - someth9ing > about 'china bashers convention'. I certainly did not send > anything of this nature - I think it is someone having a lend of us. > Marilyn The part of the story of the 2 K Class being rescued from a river is true, but why the message was quarantined - the popular contraction of the name "Richard" may have set off an alarm. For the K Class story, have a look at: http://www.trainweb.org/enzedrail/locomotives/steam/k92/ Cheers, Dennis R Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2807-1082715649-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 12:20:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3NAKpGQ028717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:20:51 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.38]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3NAJ8pa021912 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:19:08 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2807-1082715649-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2004 10:20:49 -0000 X-Sender: 34081@macace.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31780 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2004 10:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2004 10:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.macace.net) (212.87.65.109) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2004 10:20:48 -0000 Received: from macace.net[62.53.78.131] by mail_macace; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:20:51 +0100 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.87.65.109 From: Ian Bowskill <34081@macace.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: raf92squadron MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:21:15 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Slightly off topic but amusing Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 775 Anyone who has experienced road travel in China will sympathise with the authoress of this article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/ 3646561.stm Rgds, Ian --- This message has been thoroughly scanned and is certified virus free by MacAce.net. --- ------------------------ Yahoo! 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File : /Brian Hawkins/C4 20 chenzhou.jpg Uploaded by : bridgemary2003 Description : A Class C4 20 on the Chenxhou Railway You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/files/Brian%20Hawkins/C4%2020%20chenzhou.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bridgemary2003 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 778 and it goes on .... Another 3 new steam lines were discovered by Bruce Evans last week! This time in the mountainous loess hills of Sha`anxi provinvce. See http://qj-country.de/news Congratualations, Bruce! Florian PS: Just incredible how many steam lines were discovered during the last weeks ! ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2811-1082767840-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Apr 24 02:50:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3O0ogMi017581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:50:42 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3O0mvpa023702 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:48:58 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2811-1082767840-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2004 00:50:40 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2134 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2004 00:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2004 00:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2004 00:50:39 -0000 Received: from 66-44-2-66.s574.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.66] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1BHBNO-0006SR-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c42996$2bf44b00$42022c42@S0028187519> To: References: <005301c42955$c13d5e40$5b283dd5@eugen> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:50:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] More Steam discoveries ... Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 779 Florain Menius When these and other recent discoveries are added to your Steam Lines list for Central China on your website, it will mean there are now more known steam locations in Central China than Northeast China. It also sends the total number of known steam operations in China over the 100 mark, especially if the several Xuzhou area and Fushun area operations are counted seperately. Thanks for keeping track of all this! Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] More Steam discoveries ... > and it goes on .... > > Another 3 new steam lines were discovered by Bruce Evans last week! This > time in the mountainous loess hills of Sha`anxi provinvce. > > See http://qj-country.de/news > > Congratualations, Bruce! > > Florian > > PS: Just incredible how many steam lines were discovered during the last > weeks ! ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2812-1082805544-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Apr 24 13:19:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3OBJ5xm022860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:19:06 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.37]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3OBHKpa014131 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:17:21 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2812-1082805544-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2004 11:19:04 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9701 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2004 11:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2004 11:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-07.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2004 11:19:03 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-070-087.arcor-ip.net [145.254.70.87]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CF0B1BEA7D for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002101c429ed$fff43940$5746fe91@farrail> To: References: <005301c42955$c13d5e40$5b283dd5@eugen> <002a01c42996$2bf44b00$42022c42@S0028187519> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.47 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:36:42 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shenmu - Yan'an and Jiangsu province steam discoveries Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 780 Hello, I just got these information from our tour guide on the Easter tour: "I ask the girl we met at Baotou,she told me the railway of dongsheng-baotou-shenmu-tongchuan is for goods ,not for people.and about 6 steam loco left." I visited this line (Sha'anxi province) in 1999 as it was under construction (with steam). There are several gradients, high viaducts (higher and longer than Simingyi!) in a loess mountain area. The current information is not complete (the line of interest is only Shenmu - Yan'an) and I ask her for further investigations. Another unreported steam lines were found by Michael Vogel. As he's no member of this group I like to forward the essentials: Jiangsu province, Zhenjiang (north-east of Nanjing, just less than two hours from Shanghai). Zhenjiang has to steam lines. 1) One is served by six to seven JS. It's a lime stone line with some photographic potential. 2) The other is a line in the city to a coke plant which is using two very clean SYs 3) The steelworks of Nanjing still uses 6 SYs, the 7th was dumped just last month. I didn't have the time to read about all the recently discovered steam lines, but I think these lines here are new stuff. Have a nice weekend, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2813-1082865193-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 25 05:53:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3P3rD7M020785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 05:53:13 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3P3pRpa029894 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 05:51:28 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2813-1082865193-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2004 03:53:13 -0000 X-Sender: tgears1@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63867 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2004 03:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2004 03:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2004 03:53:10 -0000 Received: from TOM (pcp01484940pcs.limstn01.de.comcast.net[68.82.49.39]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040425035309012002m8jve>; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 03:53:09 +0000 To: "Steam_In_China" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Thomas Gears" X-Yahoo-Profile: equiferro MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:42:34 -0400 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Photos Posted Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 781 Last week two buddies and myself went on a one week tour through China by rail. While we were very interested in steam we decided to spend time seeing the country and meeting people as well as visiting the steam railways. We did the trip on our own with nothing more than a map, some key phrases on index cards, and of course money. We had no reservations or guide to help us, some of the information found on the internet was of great help. China is a great place with lots to offer. The people were all very nice and always willing to help. Travel, hotels, and meals were very cheap and very good in most cases. The one thing we did not hear about ahead of time was the train ride between Datong and Beijing. If you go this ride is superb if you take train K44 in the daylight. The train spends hours going through mountains that are as scenic as the rockies and more tunnels than the Rio Grande. Here is the link to my photos. http://gallery58429.fotopic.net/ Tom Gears ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2814-1082868426-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 25 06:47:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3P4l6c4022586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 06:47:06 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3P4jJpa000515 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 06:45:20 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2814-1082868426-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2004 04:47:06 -0000 X-Sender: tgears1@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25792 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2004 04:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2004 04:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2004 04:47:03 -0000 Received: from TOM (pcp01484940pcs.limstn01.de.comcast.net[68.82.49.39]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004042504000801600d41p5e>; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 04:00:09 +0000 To: "Steam_In_China" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: "Thomas Gears" X-Yahoo-Profile: equiferro MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:49:31 -0400 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Becky in Tiefa Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 782 I was wondering if anyone on the list met Becky in Tiefa? She is a little girl of about 10 who has learned English in school and introduces herself to Westerners at the Tiefa train station. Becky is just adorable and she carries a book that she gets Westerners to sign. Her mom was close by both times we met her and you can see how proud her mom is that her daughter knows another language and meets these people from all over the world. If anyone has her address or goes to Tiefa anytime soon and meets her please find out her address and email. My buddies and I would like to send her and her family a package with some items from here in the US. Thanks and Happy Rails! Tom ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2815-1082887814-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Apr 25 12:10:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3PAADE4009968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:10:14 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.19]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3PA8Rpa009862 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:08:28 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2815-1082887814-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2004 10:10:14 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21726 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2004 10:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2004 10:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2004 10:10:12 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HWQ1KR00.5ZJ for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:10:03 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <40edb3f18d.3f18d40edb@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:10:03 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Becky in Tiefa Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 783 Ron Olsen & I met her when there in March, & I agree she is wonderful. The canteen/shop they run is on the right had side before you go into the station building. She has a strong arned sister/friend/relative as well. We both bought bottles of drink & could not open them, tried everything from jambing in the steel frames of the bridge & still no go. Went back to swap or refund, & she opened them no trouble. Was a good point of humour between us at the time. Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2817-1082932912-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 00:41:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3PMfpEv002963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:41:51 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3PMe3pa016159 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:40:04 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2817-1082932912-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2004 22:41:52 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91604 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2004 22:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2004 22:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2004 22:41:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2004 22:41:49 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003a01c41fca$a3bddb40$6d002c42@S0028187519> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.4.82 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:41:48 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line 60 km west of Hami in Xinjiang provice Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 785 Hello all, This is about the line 60 km west of Hami which was formerly referred to as "near Urumqi." It is also known as the Sandaoling Coal Railway or "Hami Coal Mine." I have been contacted by Wang Guojun who was the Chinese guide for the first two Japanese railfans to see the this line in December 2003. It turns out he also speaks English in addition to Japanese. He can be reached at wanggj0306@hotmail.com He wanted us to know that large mountains provide a scenic background for pictures of the line and that the area has the culture of the Uygur nationality which he says is different from that found in other areas of China. Louis Cerny --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Cerny" wrote: > Jun Shirakawa > > Thank you so much for your translation. > > If I understand correctly, the description of the line is as follows: > > The connection with the CNR is at Lishuquan (which according to the Quail > Map, page 9 is at kilometer post 1390 of the Lanzhou-Urumqi line, about 60 > km west of Hami and 500 km east of Urumqi. From Lishuquan there is a 36 km > "main line" to Nanquan which works on a 24 hour per day basis using 4 of the > JS. > > From Nanquan lines go to 5 mines. The line from Nanquan to the Nanquan Open > Coal Mine is 13km, the line to Beiquan Coal Mine goes 5 km to the north of > Nanquan, the line to No. 1 Coal Mine goes 8km northeast of Nanquan, and the > line to the South Station and Coal Yard mines goes 7 km southeast from > Nanquan. (This would make total length of lines about 70km.) > > The total locomotives working on the main line, the branches, and in the > mines themselves are 23 JS and 2 SY, plus there are 2 SY not currently > working. > > Guide assistance is needed since this is a very restricted area. > > The first steam enthusiasts to visit the line were Mr. Hiroo Kobayashi and > Mr. Hiroshi Wada guided by Japanese speaking Chinese guide Wang Guajun. > This took place in December 2003. Mr. Wang can be reached at > wanggj0306@h... > > Thanks to all involved in obtaining this information. > > Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2818-1082943283-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 03:34:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3Q1Yhgv009546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 03:34:43 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.19]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3Q1Wspa030798 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 03:32:55 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2818-1082943283-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 01:34:43 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74490 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 01:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 01:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 01:34:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 01:33:51 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 218.61.171.34 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 01:33:50 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Becky in Tiefa Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 786 I met her yesterday - if I see her today, I wil;l ask for her adress ameling --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Gears" wrote: > I was wondering if anyone on the list met Becky in Tiefa? She is a little > girl of about 10 who has learned English in school and introduces herself to > Westerners at the Tiefa train station. Becky is just adorable and she > carries a book that she gets Westerners to sign. Her mom was close by both > times we met her and you can see how proud her mom is that her daughter > knows another language and meets these people from all over the world. If > anyone has her address or goes to Tiefa anytime soon and meets her please > find out her address and email. My buddies and I would like to send her and > her family a package with some items from here in the US. > > Thanks and Happy Rails! > > Tom ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 787 Well, I did it.I put a deposit down for the TUT China trip in Sept/Oct. This will be my first trip to China & my first trip out of the US in almost 15 years. For those of you who have been to China, can you recommend any good travel books? Also, any tips you can give me is greatly appreciated. Thanks,BJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2820-1082962135-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 08:48:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3Q6msY9028104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:48:54 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.16]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3Q6l6pa024379 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:47:06 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2820-1082962135-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 06:48:55 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50587 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 06:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 06:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-04.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 06:48:54 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-069-005.arcor-ip.net [145.254.69.5]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A707C1E4DE for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:48:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003e01c42b5a$7a5c0b00$0545fe91@farrail> To: References: <200404260313.i3Q3DfNP234420@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.44 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:35:33 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] China Tips?? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 788 Hello Brian, Purchase the "Lonely Planet" one of the best available guide books. For all the other information about hotels, railways etc along the railways tracks check www.qj-country.de and the links on this site. If there any questions left contact the group again. If you like to get in touch with Americans who visited China recently, contact me off-line. Best wishes, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian J Rubino To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:13 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] China Tips?? Well, I did it.I put a deposit down for the TUT China trip in Sept/Oct. This will be my first trip to China & my first trip out of the US in almost 15 years. For those of you who have been to China, can you recommend any good travel books? Also, any tips you can give me is greatly appreciated. Thanks,BJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2821-1082972961-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 11:52:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3Q9ps95026845 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:52:04 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i3Q9pvJ02984 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:51:58 +0200 (METDST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2821-1082972961-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 09:49:21 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79576 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 09:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 09:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 09:49:19 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HWRVA300.60Y for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:49:15 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <446eb476ad.476ad446eb@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:49:15 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line 60 km west of Hami in Xinjiang provice Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 789 One question relating to this line and area please. Is this on the Silk Road? Not knowing much about China overall, this new line would provide a nice side trip to anyone going on or near the Silk Road, might even help persuade the other half in a trip. Colin Hussey ----- Original Message ----- From: "notenfrog" Date: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:41 am Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line 60 km west of Hami in Xinjiang provice > > > > > Hello all, > > > > This is about the line 60 km west of Hami which was formerly > > referred to as "near Urumqi." It is also known as the > Sandaoling > > Coal Railway or "Hami Coal Mine." > > > > I have been contacted by Wang Guojun who was the Chinese guide for > > the first two Japanese railfans to see the this line in December > > 2003. It turns out he also speaks English in addition to Japanese. > > > He can be reached at > > > > wanggj0306@hotmail.com > > > > He wanted us to know that large mountains provide a scenic > > background for pictures of the line and that the area has the > > culture of the Uygur nationality which he says is different from > > that found in other areas of China. > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Cerny" > > > Jun Shirakawa > > > > > > Thank you so much for your translation. > > > > > > If I understand correctly, the description of the line is as > > follows: > > > > > > The connection with the CNR is at Lishuquan (which according > to > > the Quail > > > Map, page 9 is at kilometer post 1390 of the Lanzhou-Urumqi > line, > > about 60 > > > km west of Hami and 500 km east of Urumqi. From Lishuquan > there > > is a 36 km > > > "main line" to Nanquan which works on a 24 hour per > day basis > > using 4 of the > > > JS. > > > > > > From Nanquan lines go to 5 mines. The line from Nanquan to > the > > Nanquan Open > > > Coal Mine is 13km, the line to Beiquan Coal Mine goes 5 km to > the > > north of > > > Nanquan, the line to No. 1 Coal Mine goes 8km northeast of > > Nanquan, and the > > > line to the South Station and Coal Yard mines goes 7 km > southeast > > from > > > Nanquan. (This would make total length of lines about 70km.) > > > > > > The total locomotives working on the main line, the branches, > and > > in the > > > mines themselves are 23 JS and 2 SY, plus there are 2 SY not > > currently > > > working. > > > > > > Guide assistance is needed since this is a very restricted area. > > > > > > The first steam enthusiasts to visit the line were Mr. Hiroo > > Kobayashi and > > > Mr. Hiroshi Wada guided by Japanese speaking Chinese guide > Wang > > Guajun. > > > This took place in December 2003. Mr. Wang can be reached at > > > wanggj0306@h... > > > > > > Thanks to all involved in obtaining this information. > > > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2822-1082974478-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 12:17:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (info.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.100]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3QAHBCi001174 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:17:21 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by info.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i3QAHEJ21427 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:17:14 +0200 (METDST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2822-1082974478-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 10:14:38 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17485 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 10:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 10:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HWRWGA00.1VQ for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:14:34 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4adac463a3.463a34adac@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:14:34 +1000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Maanshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 790 I have just done a short search on the chinadaily.com.cn web site for railways & the following pages came up. Included in the news were reports about the doubling of oil being shipped from Russia into China. Also is a report regarding Maanshan Iron & steel having a "Dazzling" record profit in 2003 Also quoted is the amount of steel will increase from 5.64mil tons in 2003 to 7mil tons in 2004. If these reports are accurate could make for increased needs for diesels, & hopefully a bit of a reprieve for some of the steam lines. I cannot ascertain whether this Manshan is the same one that was in the recent steam line discovery. A link to the pages is at http://tsearch.chinadaily.com.cn/was40/search? channelid=38056 for those interested Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2823-1082975850-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 12:37:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3QAbUev004687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:37:30 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3QAZfpa024279 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:35:42 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2823-1082975850-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 10:37:30 -0000 X-Sender: john@railmaster.co.nz X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31861 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 10:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 10:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.144) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 10:37:29 -0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20040426103701.WZZ1274.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:37:01 +1200 Received: from railmastato12a ([219.88.89.91]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20040426103603.HTH9742.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@railmastato12a> for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:36:03 +1200 To: "Steam_in_China" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.86.15.144 From: "John Agnew" X-Yahoo-Profile: railmastex MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:36:05 +1200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Urumqi, additional info on Huaibei and Chengdu Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 791 Guys her'es Zhang Xin Sheng's reply on the JS lines "near" Urumqi Dear John Our latest information and have confirmed with the local place: Hami/Sandaoling: Northwest, 85K; Hotel: Sandaoling Hotel; Shandaoling/Open Coal Mine: 10K; Open Coal Mine pit to Coal Yard: 13K; Coal Yard to Liushuquan station: 36K where the CNR is connected with! Busy line with 24 JSs + 4 SYs! Big Coal Mine Pit is mainly divided into 2 Parts: Nanquan(South circle), Beiquan(North Circle)! Near the Open pit there is a station called Nanzhan; Nanzhan to the Coal Yard is 7K with many curves! That is the latest! Best RGDS Zhang -----Original Message----- From: Zhang Xin Sheng [mailto:citsjlp@public.cc.jl.cn] Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2004 6:16 p.m. To: john@railmaster.co.nz Subject: Fw: [Steam_in_China] Steam line near Urumqi, additional info on Huaibei and Chengdu Dear John Sorry to reply you late as just returned from China Orental Express Tours I was at Urumuqi 10 days ago and will read the email carefully and reply to you soon! Best personal wishes Zhang ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2824-1082989861-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 16:31:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3QEV0wl012387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:31:00 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3QETBpa012740 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:29:12 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2824-1082989861-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 14:31:01 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19745 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 14:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 14:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr47.hinet.net) (168.95.4.147) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 14:31:00 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-98-220.dynamic.hinet.net [61.226.98.220]) by msr47.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA21679 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:30:52 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <002e01c42b9c$15508eb0$dc62e23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.147 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:07:52 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Ma'anshan and Hami locos Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 792 Florian and others, Ma'anshan: >From fairly recent photographs on the one Chinese website I have found two more working SYs at this location - 1716 and 1337. Both 1715 and 1716 appear to be here. Can I urge future visitors to please try to obtain the builders info for these two locos to solve a little Chinese mystery that's been around for a while. A small series of SYs, we think up to 1714, was constructed at the nearby Tongling rolling stock works in the 1980s. It is thought that 1715 onwards though are Tangshan engines dating from the mid-1990s. If this could be confirmed a little gap in the Chinese steam loco production puzzle would be filled. Hami: I believe one of the JSs on the Hami coal system may be numbered 8423. This though is not an 8xxx series JSb (highest number 8422) but the re-numbered Datong works pilot 9999 which was sold by Datong when they dieselised their pilot duties and apparently re-numbered at the time to follow the JSb numbers. I think 9999 was essentially the same technically as the later 6xxx JSs built at Datong. Hope this loco surfaces at this very interesting sounding new operation. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2825-1083008659-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 21:44:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3QJiInw017260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:44:18 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3QJgTpa018981 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:42:30 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2825-1083008659-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 19:44:19 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99831 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 19:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 19:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 19:44:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 19:43:02 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Peter Patt" X-Originating-IP: 217.184.33.56 X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:43:02 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Article about Dahuichang in SinoTrain mag Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 793 Hello, first of all, please let me apologize for having sent an outdated info about JiTong steam a few days ago - this message should have been deleted but out of control by too much Czech beer I pressed the SEND button instead of DELETE... Being productive again now, I created a new folder called "SinoTrain" in the group's Yahoo home. As you may know, SinoTrain is the name of one of the CNR's board magazines - and the October 2003 issue presented an article about Dahuichang (beside the usual propaganda about the Tibet railway link). Nothing new for the die-hard fans but interesting to discover, how a "normal" journalist sees the railway. The files are named ST01 - ST04 and each file represents the scan of 1 page. Greetings, Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2826-1083010876-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 22:22:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3QKMXmC021067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:22:33 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.103]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3QKKipa027425 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:20:45 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2826-1083010876-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 20:21:17 -0000 X-Sender: SimonColbeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75422 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 20:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 20:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 20:21:13 -0000 Received: from SimonColbeck@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.3.) id r.11.27d0246a (4230) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11.27d0246a.2dbec919@aol.com> To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.204 From: simoncolbeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: qjsimon MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:20:41 EDT Subject: [Steam_in_China] CHENGDE Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 794 Hi, Does anyone have any recent information re Chengde? Did they manage to dieselise the entire route and the steelworks last year? The last report on the steam lines section of QJ-country shows some pictures by S. Terashima in Aug 2002 which show Sy's on a long viaduct. I assume this is a location on the section from the stabling point to the steel works. Also in the japanise book "Dragons on the great rail" there is a photo of Luanhe city which is described as the terminal of the branch. It shows an Sy on a branch from Sanchakou to Damiao. Did anyone else visit these spots around Chengde and does anyone know if all these locations no longer have steam now.? Regards, Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2827-1083014691-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 23:24:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3QLOosR027010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:24:50 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.85]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3QLN0pa006214 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:23:01 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2827-1083014691-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2004 21:24:51 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91936 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 21:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2004 21:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.177) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 21:24:50 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BIDar-0007XZ-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:24:49 +0200 Received: from [62.153.10.242] (helo=eugen) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BIDaq-0006Rq-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:24:48 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c42bd2$e5c165c0$f20a993e@eugen> To: References: <11.27d0246a.2dbec919@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.177 From: "Florian Menius" X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:04:37 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] CHENGDE Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 795 Dear Simon, Chengde has got at least 8 DF4s now, maybe more. The viaduct is just next to the steelworks about 1km towards Shuangtashan. Both sections Chengde-Shuangtashan and Shuangtashan-SteelworksYard were reported to be DF4 since late 2002. SYs survived shunting at the steelwork`s yard and inside the steelwork. Haven`t heard anything new for more than 1 year ... So, this may no longer be true... ----- Original Message ----- From: simoncolbeck@aol.com To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] CHENGDE Hi, Does anyone have any recent information re Chengde? Did they manage to dieselise the entire route and the steelworks last year? The last report on the steam lines section of QJ-country shows some pictures by S. Terashima in Aug 2002 which show Sy's on a long viaduct. I assume this is a location on the section from the stabling point to the steel works. Also in the japanise book "Dragons on the great rail" there is a photo of Luanhe city which is described as the terminal of the branch. It shows an Sy on a branch from Sanchakou to Damiao. Did anyone else visit these spots around Chengde and does anyone know if all these locations no longer have steam now.? Regards, Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2828-1083046328-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 08:12:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3R6CFXC028610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:12:15 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3R6AHpa001947 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:10:22 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2828-1083046328-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2004 06:12:09 -0000 X-Sender: trevor@livesteaming.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63121 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2004 06:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2004 06:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smapp01.siteprotect.com) (66.113.136.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2004 06:12:08 -0000 Received: from smapp01.siteprotect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smapp01.siteprotect.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i3R6Bua06129 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:11:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200404270611.i3R6Bua06129@smapp01.siteprotect.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.113.136.12 From: trevor@livesteaming.com X-Yahoo-Profile: trevor2263 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:11:56 -0500 Subject: [Steam_in_China] RE: Maanshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 796 "Included in the news were reports about the doubling of oil being shipped from Russia into China. Also is a report regarding Maanshan Iron & steel having a "Dazzling" record profit in 2003 Also quoted is the amount of steel will increase from 5.64mil tons in 2003 to 7mil tons in 2004." Both of these reports are very accurate. China will soon, if not already become the second largest importer of oil in the world after the US. Alaskan north slope oil is also being sold to China, it is shipped from Valdez to Fuzhou. (go figure). Steel prices are at a 15 year high right now. All steel companies are enjoying record profits after some very lean years. This though could also mean money to spend on infrastructure and equipment. The US has recently dropped its import tarrifs on steel in an attempt to attract off shore supplies but left it a bit too late. The Chinese in particular have been buying up scrap (including loco's from North Korea) in record amounts to support dometic growth and demand for consumer good including cars, domestic infrastructure upgrades and to keep pace with the demand for steel to support the manufacture of consumer goods for export. How this will all pan out for Chinese industrial steam I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure though that loco's taken out of service will not sit around for long before being recycled into washing machines and new rail lines. TH ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2829-1083295596-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 05:26:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3U3QUDh010561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:26:30 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3U3Oapa012931 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:24:37 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2829-1083295596-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 03:26:36 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15925 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 03:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 03:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 03:26:34 -0000 Received: from 66-44-2-44.s552.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.44] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1BJOfY-0001oC-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:26:33 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c42e62$ecd0dc00$2c022c42@S0028187519> To: References: <446eb476ad.476ad446eb@goconnect.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:26:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line 60 km west of Hami in Xinjiang provice Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 797 Colin Hussey Yes this is right on the Silk Road route. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line 60 km west of Hami in Xinjiang provice > One question relating to this line and area please. > > Is this on the Silk Road? > > Not knowing much about China overall, this new line would provide a > nice side trip to anyone going on or near the Silk Road, might even > help persuade the other half in a trip. > > Colin Hussey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "notenfrog" > Date: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:41 am > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam line 60 km west of Hami in Xinjiang > provice > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > This is about the line 60 km west of Hami which was formerly > > > > referred to as "near Urumqi." It is also known as the > > Sandaoling > > > > Coal Railway or "Hami Coal Mine." > > > > > > > > I have been contacted by Wang Guojun who was the Chinese guide for > > > > the first two Japanese railfans to see the this line in December > > > > 2003. It turns out he also speaks English in addition to Japanese. > > > > > > He can be reached at > > > > > > > > wanggj0306@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > He wanted us to know that large mountains provide a scenic > > > > background for pictures of the line and that the area has the > > > > culture of the Uygur nationality which he says is different from > > > > that found in other areas of China. > > > > > > > > Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2830-1083318978-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 11:56:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3U9uFwL026685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:56:15 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3U9sJpa016052 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:54:20 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2830-1083318978-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 09:56:19 -0000 X-Sender: schaefer.testing@c2i.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79864 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 09:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 09:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailfe05.swip.net) (212.247.154.129) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 09:56:16 -0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7llyB8hKOmp1QWXGMT1cTQ== Received: from [130.244.199.143] (HELO mta-int.swip.net) by mailfe05.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b3a) with SMTP id 26944081 for steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:54:27 +0200 Organization: STC To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.247.154.129 From: Hans Schaefer X-Originating-IP: [193.217.194.41] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:54:27 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Group trips to Jingpeng pass this year Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 798 Tina from Chifeng is organizing some trips to the Jingpeng pass this year. I have included the details on my web page in http://home.c2i.net/schaefer/jitongoverview.html#tina Her address is 123147123@163.com I will be there in October and December myself. Hans Schaefer ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2831-1083337957-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 17:12:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3UFCVXG013839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:12:31 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3UFAapa030286 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:10:37 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2831-1083337957-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 15:12:37 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62852 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 15:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 15:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 15:12:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 15:11:10 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c42bd2$e5c165c0$f20a993e@eugen> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.78.32 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:11:10 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: CHENGDE Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 799 > Hi, > Does anyone have any recent information re Chengde? > I was in Chengde yesterday, coming from Fuxin & going to Beijing. Out of nostalgia I did visit the hill on the Chengde side, and can conform everything there seems to be DF4. Whether the sound of DF4's roaring uphill is an improvement to the steam for the local population, I doubt it. ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2832-1083338158-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 17:15:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3UFFsKR014236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:15:55 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3UFDvpa030819 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:14:00 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2832-1083338158-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 15:15:58 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6565 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 15:13:40 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.78.32 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:13:39 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Becky in Tiefa Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 800 And of course she was not there. That is the curse of those communist countries - children have to go to school in daytime instead of making themselvres useful to tourists. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "ameling algra" wrote: > I met her yesterday - if I see her today, I wil;l ask for her adress > > ameling > > --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Gears" > wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone on the list met Becky in Tiefa? She is a > little > > girl of about 10 who has learned English in school and introduces > herself to > > Westerners at the Tiefa train station. Becky is just adorable and > she > > carries a book that she gets Westerners to sign. Her mom was close > by both > > times we met her and you can see how proud her mom is that her > daughter > > knows another language and meets these people from all over the > world. If > > anyone has her address or goes to Tiefa anytime soon and meets her > please > > find out her address and email. My buddies and I would like to send > her and > > her family a package with some items from here in the US. > > > > Thanks and Happy Rails! > > > > Tom ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2833-1083354925-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 21:55:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3UJtQTO008668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:55:26 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n43.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n43.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.18]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3UJrSpa018700 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:53:31 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2833-1083354925-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 19:55:25 -0000 X-Sender: tgears1@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51759 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 19:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 19:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 19:55:24 -0000 Received: from TOM (pcp01485063pcs.limstn01.de.comcast.net[68.82.49.162]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004043019164301100mk4oce>; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:16:43 +0000 To: "Steam_In_China" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Thomas Gears" X-Yahoo-Profile: equiferro MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:15:19 -0400 Subject: [Steam_in_China] China Train Schedules Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 801 I am already planning my next trip to China. I am planning to do another "on my own" trip and have been checking online for train information. I have found two online searches that show passenger train information and schedules in China. I was wondering if anyone knows of any others. Thanks, Tom http://www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/index.htm http://www.chinats.com/train/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2834-1083359187-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 23:06:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3UL6LQt014775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:06:21 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3UL4Qpa031336 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:04:26 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2834-1083359187-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2004 21:06:27 -0000 X-Sender: greghowell@tiscali.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82434 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2004 21:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2004 21:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) (212.74.114.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2004 21:06:26 -0000 Received: from ppp-0-48.birm-a-1.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.88.48]:1057 helo=greghowelltiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJfDE-0007kw-EU for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:06:24 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c42ef7$d73e4a40$3058e150@co.uk> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.74.114.40 From: "Greg Howell" X-Yahoo-Profile: greggyhowell MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:12:26 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shibanxi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 802 I recommended Zebedee in my Sept '03 Shibanxi report on Florian's website and he can be contacted on zhangg_china@hotmail.com. I paste the following message received from him today: Dear friend, I got a good news from Mr Liu,the headmaster of the Shibanxi NG railway station today.The Shibanxi NG railway doesn't close untill the end of this year [2004].I hope you will enjoy this news You can make a plan to come back Shibanxi with your friends once more trip now. I would like to help you again if you need that. Tell this good infomation to the funners of the NG railway all over the world,please. I hope to hear from you soon. Yours sincerely Zebedee As usual, this is Chinese information and must be taken with a large pinch of salt! Regards Greg Howell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2835-1083403170-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat May 1 11:19:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i419JNhk023497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:19:23 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i419HRpa010233 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:17:28 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2835-1083403170-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2004 09:19:30 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14962 invoked from network); 1 May 2004 09:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2004 09:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-01.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2004 09:19:25 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-070-045.arcor-ip.net [145.254.70.45]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 95087BDB9CD for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:19:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001401c42f5d$7680e800$2d46fe91@farrail> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.41 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 11:19:35 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New trip reports Guangxi Local, JiTong Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 803 Dear all, finally, I managed to upload the new trip reports: Northern China Easter with the best map of Jingpeng, drawn by Hinrich Brummer Southern China - Guangxi Local Railway with several sketch maps of rarely visited areas (thanks to Adrian who fixed the mistakes) (India Riga, Tipong, Darjeeling, Calcutta, Nilgiri with three sketch maps) In addition, I put a new China gallery on my site, for all those who never went there in April. Wish you a nice weekend, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2836-1083474531-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun May 2 07:08:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4258ihD010570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 07:08:44 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4256lpa015347 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 07:06:48 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2836-1083474531-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2004 05:08:52 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12489 invoked from network); 2 May 2004 05:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2004 05:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2004 05:08:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2004 05:08:47 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.78.32 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 05:08:46 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] train to Jinzhou & Huludao Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 804 Hello all, If you are planning to go to China soon, before Duncan's new timetable is out, there is a useful new train from Beijing to Jinzhou that also stops in Huludao. Train 2589 leaves Beijing 11.40, so you should be able to catch it after an incoming morning flight. Huludao arr 17.24, Jinzhou arr 17.58. I took the train on April 19, and it was apparently so new and unknown that I was one of only two passengers in the entire soft sleeper coach. Nice after a night on the plane. ameling Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2837-1083609426-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon May 3 20:36:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i43IawPI025417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 20:36:58 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i43IYwpa007492 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 20:34:59 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2837-1083609426-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2004 18:37:07 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69783 invoked from network); 3 May 2004 18:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2004 18:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-07.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2004 18:37:05 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-066-034.arcor-ip.net [145.254.66.34]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 04B42CB691 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 20:36:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000b01c4313d$b5476e60$7774fea9@farrail> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.47 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:37:04 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Chinese time table arrived/timings of the JiTong passenger Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 805 Dear all, just received the new timetable (for the incredible amount of 38 Euros for p&p). New design, brand-new: a station list with numbers of pages (!), no bakelite advertisement, instead you'll find ads for mobile phones and, the most important thing: Times over the JiTong line are changed again. The train is much faster now: Jining Nan 14.38 12.05 Baiqi 20.28 06.32 Jingpeng 02.24 00.29 Galadesitai 03.59 22.50 Linxi 04.54 21.51 Daban 05.59/06.14 20.22/20.40 Lindong 07.57/08.05 17.47/17.51 Chabuga 09.28/16.34 Tongliao 13.39 12.20 In addition, oh miracle, the line is two kilometers shorter now, instead of 997 km in the old time table only 995 km in the new one. If anybody needs a copy, I can send you one (but, please be not chocked, I won't pay p&p for you, the book itself is for free). Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2839-1083749068-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed May 5 11:24:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i459OG1L019656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 11:24:16 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.19]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i459MFpa027288 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 11:22:15 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2839-1083749068-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2004 09:24:28 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57671 invoked from network); 5 May 2004 09:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2004 09:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2004 09:24:26 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.203.185]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040505092425.KWIO15692.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 10:24:25 +0100 Message-Id: To: Steam_In_China ~ X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.46 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:24:19 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] A Gricer's Guide to China's Railways Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 809 I've added a new section to my website entitled "A Gricer's Guide to China's Railways". The idea is to provide information on the Chinese railway scene which isn't easily accessible elsewhere. To start with, there are two articles covering the Chinese Locomotive Numbering system and Chinese Steam Locomotive Classes. Hopefully, these will prove useful. http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts/info/aboutindex.htm Any additional information, comments or suggestions are welcome. Regards, Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 810 Hello, I got further information about the line I'm very keen in since I saw it under construction some years ago: "about Dongsheng-Shenmu-Yan'an line,I met a man last week at a train,he was used live in Shenmu,he said ,we can see the steam trian for coal 4 or5 times a day. I will try to get more information." Will let you know if I have further information. Good night, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2842-1084450576-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu May 13 14:15:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4DCFtbG022396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:15:55 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4DCDfed001870 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:13:42 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2842-1084450576-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2004 12:16:16 -0000 X-Sender: simister@labyrinth.net.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74785 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 12:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2004 12:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2004 12:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2004 12:15:04 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "simister1au" X-Originating-IP: 203.9.148.12 X-Yahoo-Profile: simister1au MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:15:03 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Ji-Tong (steam & diesel) & Dahuichang Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 812 Stuart Turnbull and I returned a couple of days ago from 12 days at Jingpeng and an afternoon at Dahuichang. The latter seemed to be as usual with two engines in steam on the afternoon of Saturday 24 April. Bumped into a 50-odd strong Railway Magazine party there (hi, guys). Looks like some Olympic construction going on nearby which may not be good news for steam. On the Ji-Tong line we were based at Reshui for 12 days, Sunday 25 April - Friday 7 May, staying at the Post hotel. The good news is that the line was very busy with an almost-hourly frequency (sometimes both ways) for much of the day on most days, although there was also a 2-3 hour lull at other times. A few single-headed trains but most were double headed with the engines working very hard (three-quarters - full regulator and 60%-70% cut-off, some slipping) Saw several instances of eastbound trains detaching the leading engine at Shangdian and running back to Jingpeng (presumably) light. The bad news was two diesels. One was cut in immediately in front of the brake van on a westbound train double-headed by two QJs on Tuesday 4th May. When the train went past us on the second and third levels above Reshui the diesel was working quite hard. The diesel was a single cab hood unit - it seemed to be a 10D, number 0046 with silver-ish livery. The second diesel we saw a couple of days later looked the same from a distance but that one may not have been working. It was somewhere in the middle of the train. Were they delivery runs to Baiqi? The track on the line is being worked on quite a lot by small armies of track gangs and they also have a new yellow Plasser Theurer (spelling??) tamping machine which appeared at Shangdian, Jingpeng and San Di. Some of the rails look to be in poor shape (although I am not an expert) with a lot of pitting and cracking at the rail ends. New rails were dumped alongside the line in several places waiting to be laid and some new ballast was laid to the east of Shangdian tunnel one afternoon. Cab rides were easy to get. The going rate seems to be about Y200 from Jingpeng to Shangdian but I have no doubt that that could be negotiated down further. I was invited to have a go at firing on both my rides and one go on the regulator on the final slog up to Shangdian. I still have the grin on my face. The weather varied a lot, from snow (on one day) to dust storms, high winds and balmy cloudless skies. Good steam effects on most days and because of the heavy loads plenty of black smoke. We rarely had trouble getting smoke in our shots. Stuart has been three times in mid-winter and rated this his best visit. The days are longer (sun rise before 5am and sunset around 6.30pm) and tramping over the hills to phot-spots is so much easier than when the temperature is 30 below. I'll trade the hugely spectacular steam effects in mid-winter for an enjoyable time in spring with good smoke and steam any day. The station staff were very friendly at Liudigou one day and invited us in to their 'board room' where they put the TV on for us. A bit of channel-skipping unearthed a snooker championship from the UK and Edwin Maher, an-ex ABC (Australia) news reader reading the China English-language news from Beijing. One channel was 'Cricke' but to my great regret we could not get an England vs West Indies test match to appear. Altogether, a very enjoyable visit but I wonder how much longer steam will last over the pass. Don't delay! Cheers, Malcolm Simister ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2843-1084527359-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri May 14 11:35:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4E9Znw0019123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:35:49 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4E9XOed022474 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:33:31 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2843-1084527359-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2004 09:36:01 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97132 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 09:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 09:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 09:35:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2004 09:35:46 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.71 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 62.216.15.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:35:45 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Ji-Tong (steam & diesel) & Dahuichang Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 813 hello all diesels IN a train on the JiTong railway are quite common: I recall having seen one twice even back in 1998.... Maybe the line is also used to get CNR diesels from north east to north west and/or vice versa. So this should not worry us too much - there is still enough to worry.... Regarding the going rate for cab rides in the Reshui area: there are some remarks about it on Hans Schaefer's web site. Apparently the drivers are ''fined'' RMB200 when seen by an official, so it is unlikely that the RMB200 rate is negotiable... ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2856-1085042393-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu May 20 10:39:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4K8dOEp013059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:39:24 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4K8b0ed012953 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:37:01 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2856-1085042393-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2004 08:39:53 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55413 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 08:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2004 08:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2004 08:39:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.205.229]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040520084000.VDMX5696.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:40:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1085040793.40ac6899e7f14@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <1085040793.40ac6899e7f14@webmail.netspace.net.au> Message-Id: <411316E4-AA39-11D8-ABD3-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.47 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:39:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Chifeng trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 826 Neither station is used just for Chifeng trains. There are services to other destinations as well. Bei was the traditional station for most trains to Chifeng and a number towards Zhangjiakou via Nankou as well. They only switched to Nan a few years ago. I was under the impression that this was to allow Bei to be rebuilt. The strange thing is that this doesn't appear to have been done. Duncan On 20 May 2004, at 09:13, stuartt@netspace.net.au wrote: > Quoting lcwhk : > >> I am sure both BJ-Bei and Nan stations are working! >> train from BJ Nan to Chifeng is >> No.2189 start at 1513 and arrive at 0052 >> >> train from BJ Bei to Chifeng are >> No. K275, start at 1041, arrive at 1933 >> No. 1457, start at 1915, arrive at 0429 >> No. 2559, start at 2119, arrive at 0715 >> > Even stranger that 2 stations are used just for Chifeng trains. Both > stations > are very "old world" colonial type structures. I've only previously > travelled > to/from BJ Nan station for Chifeng. > > Cheers > > ST > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2857-1085045193-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu May 20 11:26:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4K9Q4aq020941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:26:04 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4K9Need027095 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:23:41 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2857-1085045193-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2004 09:26:33 -0000 X-Sender: stuartt@netspace.net.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3635 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 09:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2004 09:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.netspace.net.au) (203.10.110.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2004 09:26:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26C96C6D7; Thu, 20 May 2004 19:26:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from CPE-144-132-13-128.vic.bigpond.net.au (CPE-144-132-13-128.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.13.128]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 19:26:21 +1000 Message-ID: <1085045181.40ac79bde54da@webmail.netspace.net.au> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Duncan Cotterill Cc: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 203.10.110.72 From: stuartt@netspace.net.au X-Yahoo-Profile: sturnbull711 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:26:21 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Chifeng trains Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 827 Quoting Duncan Cotterill : > Neither station is used just for Chifeng trains. There are services to > other destinations as well. Bei was the traditional station for most > trains to Chifeng and a number towards Zhangjiakou via Nankou as well. > They only switched to Nan a few years ago. I was under the impression > that this was to allow Bei to be rebuilt. The strange thing is that > this doesn't appear to have been done. > > Certainly no evidence of any reconstuction at BJ Bei. Taxis stop short of the station forecourt and there is a moderate length walk to the station. The western terminus of the new subway Line 13 (an elevated structure) is nearby and the area around BJ Bei looks ripe for redevelopment. Cheers ST ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2862-1085195957-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat May 22 05:18:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4M3Il0Q010809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 05:18:47 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.38]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4M3JHed018807 for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 05:19:18 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2862-1085195957-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2004 03:19:17 -0000 X-Sender: tgears1@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39081 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 03:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 03:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 03:19:15 -0000 Received: from TOM (pcp01485147pcs.limstn01.de.comcast.net[68.82.49.246]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004052203191401100ljr8be>; Sat, 22 May 2004 03:19:14 +0000 To: "Steam_In_China" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: "Thomas Gears" X-Yahoo-Profile: equiferro MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:19:10 -0400 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Solo trip this summer Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 832 I am working on plans for a Jing Peng pass trip this summer. I have most of the summer off since I am a teacher. My buddies who went with me earlier can't go this summer. I am interested to see if anyone would meet up with me or go along since I will probably be going alone. Email me off list. Tom ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2863-1085212592-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat May 22 09:56:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4M7u1A0028132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 09:56:01 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4M7uXed012056 for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 09:56:34 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2863-1085212592-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2004 07:56:32 -0000 X-Sender: pwormald@btinternet.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97510 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 07:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 07:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web86204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.12.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 07:56:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20040522075628.60016.qmail@web86204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [211.101.63.85] by web86204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 May 2004 08:56:28 BST X-RocketYMMF: pwormald@btopenworld.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1085040806.201.93859.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.12.12.79 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Philip=20Wormald?= X-Yahoo-Profile: philip521435 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 08:56:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] Beijing Bei Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 833 Can confirm BJ Bei open, arrived there 2 hours ago after going north with NY7-0015 on L809 "round the houses" from BJ main station! Booked passenger train, but load 18 carriages, 2 passengers (us) and 20 or so staff cleaning train (off an overnight!). (WE had DF4-0540 in on 4449). Phil ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2864-1085226332-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat May 22 13:45:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4MBj0oL019222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 13:45:00 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4MBjXed020902 for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 13:45:34 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2864-1085226332-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2004 11:45:32 -0000 X-Sender: t.hurst@gns.cri.nz X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61155 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 11:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 11:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 11:45:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2004 11:45:24 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <75B82C9A-AB0D-11D8-B15A-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "Tony Hurst" X-Originating-IP: 203.97.2.243 X-Yahoo-Profile: hurstnz MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:45:23 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Photos W of Daban, 17 Jan 2003 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 834 Thanks guys, I did think the freight was QJ 6978, but my notebook was a bit hard to understand from that morning, and I never say a number on the Passenger loco. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Duncan Cotterill wrote: > It looks like QJ 6978 on the freight to me. > > Duncan > > On 21 May 2004, at 10:30, DavidHuntbatch@A... wrote: > > > Looking through the 3 photos whilst the passenger engine seems to be > > 6911, it > > may be the freight engine is 6301 which I think was still running in > > January > > 2003 > > > > David Huntbatch > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2865-1085236351-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat May 22 16:32:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4MEVxke000263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 16:32:00 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.106]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4MEWWed014638 for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 16:32:33 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2865-1085236351-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2004 14:32:31 -0000 X-Sender: mke1963@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6663 invoked from network); 22 May 2004 14:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2004 14:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.11.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 14:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CPQ29292759719) (mke1963@80.225.2.41 with login) by smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2004 14:32:21 -0000 To: Message-ID: <000001c44009$a676e6b0$2902e150@CPQ29292759719> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.12.11.36 From: "Mark" X-Yahoo-Profile: markkeadie MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:32:44 +0100 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Jincheng: Shanxi or Gansu province ? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 835 Apologies: an extremely belated reply. I was referring to Jincheng in southern Shanxi province. Interesting comments on the Jincheng area. I will be returning to the Jincheng, Zhezhou and Jiazuo (Henan) area later in the summer, and hope to be able to spend more time in the area. I will probably take my car down so this should allow a bit more leisurely exploration of the area. As stated, the area is fairly mountainous, and the passes are impressive. I was stranded in one of them last November when sudden heavy snow caused truck accidents in front and behind us. - Mark -----Original Message----- From: Florian Menius [mailto:webmaster@qj-country.de] Sent: 22 April 2004 06:41 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Steam_in_China] Jincheng: Shanxi or Gansu province ? Forwarded message from Bruce Evans: Hi Folks, Just returned from a trip to the Tongchuan area. Think I have one new steam line to report, Podicun-Chengcheng coal mines with 4 QJs, plus some news on a few others but will put this all in a report for Florian's website. I have noticed the recent discussion on possible steam workings at Jincheng in Shanxi Province. It looks as if there may be some confusion and that Jincheng in Shanxi (north of Luoyang) is getting mixed up with Jinchang in Gansu near Hexipu? Can the original contributors possibly clarify? Last winter I passed through Jincheng (Shanxi) in the train returning from Changzhibei. In the north station where the junction for the west line to the coal mine area is I saw no sign of steam. A DF4/4B double-header was however pulling out of the station and I assumed it was heading up the mine line (the CNR line is electrified). The west line is shown on some maps as extending for about 70km via Yancheng to Qinshui on the electrified Houma-Yueshan line - it is shown as crossing the Houma-Yueshan line. I have no confirmation that this line is complete and fully operational. Presumably it is owned by the local coal administration. When at Changzhibei and at the depot at the nearby coal railway system we asked railway workers if they knew whether there was steam at Jincheng. The answers were generally negative. There are however quite a few large mines in the Jincheng / Yancheng area and there may well be steam worked lines feeding into the 'mainline'. When someone next goes to the Changzhi area they should take a day and do some exploring around Jincheng. From what I could see the terrain is generally mountainous so if there is steam there may be some impressive workings. Even if Jincheng does not have steam there should be some interesting railway operations in the area given the number and size of the mines and the nature of the terrain. CNR works double-headed SS4 electrics on block coal trains from here to Yueshan and the CNR line is double-track. Cheers, Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From geczapki@cyf-kr.edu.pl Sat May 22 20:18:35 2004 +0200 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:18:34 +0200 (METDST) From: Maciej Czapkiewicz To: Thomas Gears Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Solo trip this summer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 836 On Fri, 21 May 2004, Thomas Gears wrote: > I am working on plans for a Jing Peng pass trip this summer. I have most of > the summer off since I am a teacher. My buddies who went with me earlier > can't go this summer. I am interested to see if anyone would meet up with me > or go along since I will probably be going alone. Email me off list. I have similar problem. I want to go to China for one month, my free time is between 15.06 and 30.08. One monst means 2 week in China plus transsiberian route. Regards, M.Czapiewicz, Krakow, Poland. From sentto-4914183-2866-1085323312-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun May 23 16:41:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4NEfJ34015792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 16:41:19 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4NEfred009053 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 16:41:54 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2866-1085323312-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2004 14:41:52 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18816 invoked from network); 23 May 2004 14:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2004 14:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2004 14:41:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2004 14:41:44 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.3.228 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 14:41:42 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 837 Hello all, On the Japanese "Steam in China" website message board, pictures are shown of a narrow gauge steam locomotive with a headlight and cab configuration I don't think I have seen before. Does anyone know where this line is? Three pictures are at: http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085291908_1.jpg http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085291908_2.jpg http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085316847_1.jpg Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 838 Reply from Rob Dickinson I don't recognise these either but off the top of my head, I would guess Xingyang near Zhenzhou. TH --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "notenfrog" wrote: > Hello all, > > On the Japanese "Steam in China" website message board, pictures are > shown of a narrow gauge steam locomotive with a headlight and cab > configuration I don't think I have seen before. Does anyone know > where this line is? Three pictures are at: > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085291908_1.jpg > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085291908_2.jpg > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085316847_1.jpg > > Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 839 I was at Xinyang late last year and these were not the locomotives there. Mike LaPlante Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 840 Hi, The loco shown would certainly not seem to have appeared in readily available illustrations before. It looks like a standard 28t 0-8-0 762mm gauge of th group commonly called C2 class. The main site has a lot of text around the mini pics. http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ . Could a Japanese group member possibly provide a brief translation for us? A lot of the rest of the site looks very interesting if only I could read it! Jeff Lanham ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 841 I would also like to find out where the coal pit is that shows the High Deflectored JS's. I have tried the Babelfish translater, but comes out with garbled descriptions, with no locations identification ----- Original Message ----- From: "zm3zm4" Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:53 pm Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? > > > > > Hi, > > The loco shown would certainly not seem to have appeared in > > readily available illustrations before. It looks like a standard > 28t > > 0-8-0 762mm gauge of th group commonly called C2 class. > > The main site has a lot of text around the mini pics. > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ . Could a Japanese group > > member possibly provide a brief translation for us? > > A lot of the rest of the site looks very interesting if only I > could > > read it! > > > > Jeff Lanham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 843 Hello! Mr.Cerny. I'm Sorry my late information. I went Henan last weekend 3ds. This your mind of C2 picture is taked by our tour guide 'Mr Senn'(His customer is Mr. Yanrou). This C2 line located from Yima west about 15km started, There is small CNR station named 'Yinghao'. This line length is about 20km. Started on near CNR station north side (not conected) located unloading station (you pointed out 1st photo place). This line going ahead from here 10 o'crock direction. Near end, there is small station named 'Xiangyang'. Here is a small junction (you pointed out 2nd photo is here). A little before this Xiangyang station is tunnel(500m? estimate). The 3rd photo is taked in before tunnel wheat field on hill. We seen 1.5ply of coal train in 2pm-6pm of 4hour and operated 2 of C2(No.3and15). Road-crossing'man said, here train is 3ply one day(in daytime), And another railroadman said 9ply in 24hour, I'm not clear. Thank you! T.Tsujimoto,Japanese. notenfrog wrote: Hello all, On the Japanese "Steam in China" website message board, pictures are shown of a narrow gauge steam locomotive with a headlight and cab configuration I don't think I have seen before. Does anyone know where this line is? Three pictures are at: http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085291908_1.jpg http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085291908_2.jpg http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085316847_1.jpg Louis Cerny Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2876-1085536262-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed May 26 03:50:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4Q1oRRU014012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 03:50:27 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4Q1p3ed021595 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 03:51:04 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2876-1085536262-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2004 01:51:02 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32306 invoked from network); 26 May 2004 01:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2004 01:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2004 01:51:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:51:04 -0700 Received: from 68.9.104.201 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 May 2004 01:51:04 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2004 01:51:04.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7CE2800:01C442C3] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.68.165.41 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [68.9.104.201] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 01:51:04 +0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Baiqi-Haoloku Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 847 The passenger trains between Baiqi and Haoloku 6051/6053 are now diesel hauled. This information comes to me courtesy of Pierre, a frenchman living in Huhehaote. Yard shunter in Benhong still steam. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2880-1085589047-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed May 26 18:30:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4QGUGHm015608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:30:16 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4QGUred008333 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:30:54 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2880-1085589047-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2004 16:30:52 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76144 invoked from network); 26 May 2004 16:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2004 16:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2004 16:30:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2004 16:30:07 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 220.145.248.2 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i4QGUGHm015608 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 851 Hi Florian and all, Yinghao coal line This 762mm steam line, worked by nine C2s, was discovered by Japanese enthusiasts Mr.Sen and Mr.Yanrou recently. Just for your information, the new narrow steam line discovery has been done by Mr. Toshiaki Tsujimoto (Not Mr.Yanrou) and Mr Sen Chokuto. Better be change one of names on your QJ country site. By the way, Mr. Tsujimoto has been up maps of this railway in tonight. Please check followings; http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085584157_1s.jpg http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085584157_2s.jpg Regards, Jun ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 852 If you can't see maps clearly, please check this. http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ Jun > By the way, Mr. Tsujimoto has been up maps of this railway in > tonight. > Please check followings; > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085584157_1s.jpg > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085584157_2s.jpg > > Regards, > Jun ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2882-1085614178-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu May 27 01:29:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4QNT2DG022554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 01:29:02 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4QNTded014468 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 01:29:40 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2882-1085614178-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2004 23:29:38 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1439 invoked from network); 26 May 2004 23:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2004 23:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2004 23:29:35 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HYCH9700.26B for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:29:31 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <516264ca24.4ca2451626@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:29:31 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 853 Has anyone any idea of the coal pit with the HD JS shown along with the NG photo's. Also underneath the NG maps there are two more maps of a different location. on vieing them there is is an arrow pointing to a line with the words QJ next to it. Could this be a new line? Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2883-1085632594-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu May 27 06:35:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4R4Zv68005959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 06:35:57 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n46.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n46.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.23]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4R4aZed014057 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 06:36:36 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2883-1085632594-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2004 04:36:34 -0000 X-Sender: sintairan@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90069 invoked from network); 27 May 2004 04:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2004 04:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42001.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.169) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 04:36:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20040527043633.40950.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.1.121.106] by web42001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 May 2004 05:36:33 BST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <516264ca24.4ca2451626@goconnect.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.169 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?toshiaki=20tsujimoto?= X-Yahoo-Profile: sintairan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 05:36:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 854 Ms.Colin Hussey (Hello all!) Thank your mention. I wrote English supplement on that message board. Please look that! T.Tsujimoto. Japanese in Shanghai. cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: Has anyone any idea of the coal pit with the HD JS shown along with the NG photo's. Also underneath the NG maps there are two more maps of a different location. on vieing them there is is an arrow pointing to a line with the words QJ next to it. Could this be a new line? Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2884-1085640013-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu May 27 08:39:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4R6dZmA017019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 08:39:36 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.38]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4R6eEed005856 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 08:40:14 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2884-1085640013-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2004 06:40:13 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54653 invoked from network); 27 May 2004 06:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2004 06:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 06:40:10 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id HYD0XY00.7IE for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 16:34:46 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <56dc64fd35.4fd3556dc6@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:34:46 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 855 Mr T.Tsujimoto Thank you for the english supplement you have put up, it is very much appreciated. Would you mind if it is possible doing the same, in a small supplement for any other new lines that are discovered? While not speaking Japanese, I have you site bookmarked & follow it daily Thanking you Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2885-1085646477-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu May 27 10:27:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4R8RK78010398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 10:27:20 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4R8Rwed005156 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 10:27:59 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2885-1085646477-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2004 08:27:58 -0000 X-Sender: sintairan@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60652 invoked from network); 27 May 2004 08:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2004 08:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42007.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 08:27:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20040527082720.55393.qmail@web42007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.1.121.106] by web42007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:27:20 BST To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <56dc64fd35.4fd3556dc6@goconnect.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.93.175 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?toshiaki=20tsujimoto?= X-Yahoo-Profile: sintairan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:27:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 856 Mr.Colin Hussey OK! I understand. I promise you my effort. Thank you. T.Tsujimoto.JPN. cdhussey@goconnect.net wrote: Mr T.Tsujimoto Thank you for the english supplement you have put up, it is very much appreciated. Would you mind if it is possible doing the same, in a small supplement for any other new lines that are discovered? While not speaking Japanese, I have you site bookmarked & follow it daily Thanking you Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2886-1085673491-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu May 27 19:03:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4RH3wsT007384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 19:03:58 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4RH4Yee030057 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 19:04:37 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2886-1085673491-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2004 15:58:11 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21498 invoked from network); 27 May 2004 15:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2004 15:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 15:58:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2004 15:56:57 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040527082720.55393.qmail@web42007.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 219.116.46.98 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:56:56 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i4RH3wsT007384 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 857 Hello all, Mr. Swaguchi (his nickname isgYanrouh), who is a home page owner of Chinese steam site in Japan, has been up the trip report of recent discovered narrow gauge railway by Mr. Tsujimoto and Mr.Sen. Text is in Japanese unfortunately, but you may enjoy seeing 5 more new pictures. Please check; http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/LTED69.htm Regards, Jun ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 859 I'm thinking of making a trip to China with a German tour company called "Globe Steam", who seem to offer quite low prices. Does anyone on this list have any experiences of Globe Steam tours? How good are they and have there been any serious problems with their tours? Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2890-1085799289-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat May 29 04:54:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4T2sAjb016175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 04:54:10 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.25]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4T2soed019921 for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 04:54:51 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2890-1085799289-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2004 02:54:49 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49948 invoked from network); 29 May 2004 02:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2004 02:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailgate5.web.de) (217.72.192.165) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2004 02:54:48 -0000 Received: by mailgate5.web.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id i4T2sk406598 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 29 May 2004 04:54:46 +0200 Received: from 219.159.40.147 by freemailng0205.web.de with HTTP; Sat, 29 May 2004 04:54:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1312141839@web.de> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.165 From: "Heinrich Hubbert" X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 04:54:43 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] passenger diesel Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 861 I am at Chabuga at the moment Arrived yesterday morning at 7.04 by the train from Daban. here in chabuga, the QJ was replaced by a diesel. Very few trains here and especially few westwards. Yesterday afternoon one shorty with to QJs at 2.30 pm and then nothing till dusk (except the passengers of course) This morning between 4.30 and 10.00 only one at 9.00 Bushes and trees are green but the grass is still brown. Very warm here but with trains on the bank at the curve west from here you get some smoke on heavy trains. Greetings, Heinrich __________________________________________________________________ Zeigen Sie Emotionen mit der WEB.DE Bild-SMS! Das Bild ist gratis, Sie bezahlen nur den Versand. http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021196 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 862 Toshiaki Tsujimoto Thank you for the information and this new discovery, which should be a joy to narrow gauge steam enthusiasts. I have been out of e-mail contact for a few days so please excuse the delayed reply. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "toshiaki tsujimoto" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] New Narrow Gauge in China? > Hello! Mr.Cerny. > I'm Sorry my late information. > > I went Henan last weekend 3ds. This your mind of C2 picture is taked by our tour guide 'Mr Senn'(His customer is Mr. Yanrou). > > This C2 line located from Yima west about 15km started, There is small CNR station named 'Yinghao'. > > This line length is about 20km. Started on near CNR station north side (not conected) located unloading station (you pointed out 1st photo place). This line going ahead from here 10 o'crock direction. > > Near end, there is small station named 'Xiangyang'. Here is a small junction (you pointed out 2nd photo is here). > A little before this Xiangyang station is tunnel(500m? estimate). The 3rd photo is taked in before tunnel wheat field on hill. > > We seen 1.5ply of coal train in 2pm-6pm of 4hour and operated 2 of C2(No.3and15). > Road-crossing'man said, here train is 3ply one day(in daytime), And another railroadman said 9ply in 24hour, I'm not clear. > > Thank you! > T.Tsujimoto,Japanese. > > > notenfrog wrote: > Hello all, > > On the Japanese "Steam in China" website message board, pictures are > shown of a narrow gauge steam locomotive with a headlight and cab > configuration I don't think I have seen before. Does anyone know > where this line is? Three pictures are at: > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085291908_1.jpg > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085291908_2.jpg > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085316847_1.jpg > > Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2892-1085849468-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat May 29 18:50:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4TGoSYL016357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 18:50:28 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4TGp9ed020742 for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 18:51:10 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2892-1085849468-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2004 16:51:09 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91791 invoked from network); 29 May 2004 16:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2004 16:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2004 16:51:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2004 16:51:02 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.2.137 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:51:00 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JS-powered coal line at Yima Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 863 Hello all, With all the recent messages about the newly-discovered narrow gauge steam line at Yinghao, it would be easy to miss the included information on the JS-powered coal line at Yima (55km west of Luoyang), which I believe is also a new discovery. A photo of JS 6125 and another JS in the coal pit is at: http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1085414308_1.jpg By my count this is the 34th newly-discovered team location so far in 2004. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2894-1085923922-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun May 30 15:31:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4UDVKp8021538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 15:31:20 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.16]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4UDW2ed006219 for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 15:32:03 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2894-1085923922-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2004 13:32:02 -0000 X-Sender: adrian.freeman@onet.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30828 invoked from network); 30 May 2004 13:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2004 13:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail1.hotchilli.net) (217.72.162.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2004 13:32:00 -0000 Received: from onet.co.uk (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.hotchilli.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.6) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 14:31:27 +0100 Message-ID: <239310-220045030133127170@onet.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.162.16 From: "Adrian Freeman" X-Yahoo-Profile: ade_f2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 14:31:27 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shibanxi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 865 Hello, I am have spent the last four days at Shibanxi. There is mixed news: The line's future seems secure, at least for the short term. It is being promoted within China as a tourist line. That's the good bit. On the down side, the buildings at Shibanxi on the platform have all been demolished, and those behind are being pulled down now - to be replaced with modern structures. At Sanjin (end of electrified section) the area around the station has been cleared of buildings (with the exception of the mine) and is now a 'park', i.e. concreted over with rows of trees. Apparently Bagou will also see some degree of modernisation soon. Most stations now have road sign-style station nameboards. The halt between Shibanxi and Sanjin will close from 1st June and instead trains will stop at a new halt just beyond the horseshoe curve. A test stop was made on the first train this morning, in pouring rain. Considerable slipping resulted on the final stretch to the summit. >From 1st June, the first two Shibanxi departures will be amended to 0700 and 1030, so at least this allows a bit more time in bed. We were told, but it is not confirmed, that as the C2s here are somewhat worn out, a new one will be built, to enter service at the end of the year. Also six new coaches, with glass windows and softer seats will be constructed for tourist trains. Whether this will impact on the use of existing stock (or what colour it may be painted)for scheduled services remains to be seen. Also, we have been told that Ding Xing coal mine - the mine at the terminus - will reopen in two weeks under new management. The 30cm track is intact, the weighbridge building as before, only the weighbridge machine itself is missing. The tunnel mouth into the mine is sealed off with stone blocks. Relaxing with a beer in the main shopping street at Sanjin this evening, we were shown a Chinese DVD of the line, and there was a table with photos of the line for sale on the platfrom at Shibanxi. We have seen three groups of Chinese tourists and one film crew in the last four days. Things are changing and I doubt that they will please many 'Western' enthusiasts. Report to follow after I return to the UK. Adrian Freeman ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2896-1085953239-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun May 30 23:39:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4ULdve2026738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 23:39:57 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4ULeeed006971 for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 23:40:41 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2896-1085953239-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2004 21:40:39 -0000 X-Sender: beata.fichtl@tplus.at X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71757 invoked from network); 30 May 2004 21:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2004 21:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2004 21:40:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2004 21:40:38 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "fichtl60" X-Originating-IP: 217.76.166.63 X-Yahoo-Profile: fichtl60 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:40:38 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] jingpeng end of may Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i4ULdve2026738 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 867 Having spent last week in Reshui situation was as follws: most days a lot of traffic ( sometimes 4 trains in 2 hours), more westbound trains than eastbound, all steam hauled, no diesel. Many of the westbound trains single headed with up to 45 empties plus caboose (some of these stopped at the station after the street crossing presumably for filling up the boiler and gathering steam ), while on the westside sometimes one of the engines returned to Jingpeng to assist the next train. Most engines looked rather shabby, dirty wheels etc, quite different to the situation 2 years ago (the first time I stayed there). I saw no engine with a builders plate on the steam dome casing, they seem to sell anything they can screw off their engines. In Daban there were only comperatively few engines in steam but rather long rows of discarded engines, except of two freshly painted engines, one in the shed and one with the driving rods stored on the tender, maybe fresh back from overhaul. It seems, they need all available engines they still have in working order for the rather heavy traffic , but wont invest a lot in repair or in maintenance. Having a ride in the cab was easily available, but they claimed 300 Yuan, they also offered to drive the engine yourself over the pass for additional money (after having started the train themselves), even on the downhill side. Weather was nice, good for shorts and T-shirt, but the grass is still brown (they said due to lack of snow and rain in spring) Trees are green and on the westside there are even some green hills with lots of differen iris and edelweis. In the fields they just start planting the seeds. I am sorry I cant make comments on steam on the eastern and western parts of the line, as did not go there, I even cant comment wheather they use double heading east of Daban, but I doubt it as they seem to be short of workable steam engines. In Reshui, the railway hotel is closed due to reconstruction, but a bit farther up the road there is a nice, red hotel on the left side, with rooms looking to the pass, where You see and hear the trains for 30-40 min right from the window, without hearing the road traffic (which is very low due to the road to Linxi being reconstructed with a detour which actually would need a X-country car)In this hotels warm showers, toilets etc are ok., but they dont speak a word of english. On this trip I was accompagned by Miss Jessie Wong (jessiewong_bj@hotmail.com)as guide, who organised everything extremely well, selected good restaurants, ordered excellent food and so made the trip a real holiday, and whom I can recommend without hesitation.I myself selected her because of a recommendation on Rob Dickinsons website. In all,Jingpeng pass is still a great experience, as there is even more traffic than in oct. 2002, but it obvious time is ineviteably running out for steam, so if possible it is advaisable to go there soon. kind regards, Reinhard Fichtl ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2899-1086127337-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 00:01:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i51M1YBc022184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:01:34 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i51M2Ied005718 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:02:19 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2899-1086127337-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 22:02:17 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72688 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 22:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 22:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 22:02:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 22:01:41 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.2.158 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:01:40 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Winter Videos of Zhungeer Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 870 Hello all, On the Japanese "Steam in China" website, there are some rather dramatic videos of the Zhungeer Line in minus 27 degree weather that are available for downloading. Just go to: http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/index.htm and click on "Video Studio." Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2900-1086170241-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 11:56:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i529uaAF000123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:56:36 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n46.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n46.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.23]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i529vL84030588 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:57:22 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2900-1086170241-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 09:57:21 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73765 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 09:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 09:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 09:57:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3986 invoked by uid 65534); 2 Jun 2004 09:56:29 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b81bba.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO globesteam) (217.184.27.186) by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 02 Jun 2004 11:56:29 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <40BDBAA7.31018.401422@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1085557320.180.68335.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:31:51 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 871 Gentlemen, after having guided my 2 groups to the JiTong line (good to hear that steam is still running there...) in June, I will return to China from 10.7.-25.7. and do a little bit of exploring work at Hami, Yima, Zhengzhou, Ma'anshan and Zhenzhou. If nobody else has replied before, I will be happy to post my findings during/after the trip! Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2901-1086174144-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 13:01:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i52B1dhM011971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:01:39 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i52B2P84011753 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:02:25 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2901-1086174144-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 11:02:24 -0000 X-Sender: davidoff5181@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18468 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 11:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 11:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.49.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 11:02:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:02:09 -0700 Received: from 134.58.253.129 by by14fd.bay14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:02:09 GMT X-Originating-Email: [davidoff5181@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davidoff5181@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 11:02:09.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CA5B260:01C44891] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.49.29 From: "Dave Davidoff" X-Originating-IP: [134.58.253.129] X-Yahoo-Profile: dave_habraken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:02:09 +0200 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 872 Hello Peter; This would be great as I am leaving to China the 31st of July. I will also visit Yiman and the new narrow gauge line. I will of course also send news to this group but it would be great to get launched directly with your experiences over there. Regards, Dave >From: "Peter Patt" >Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? >Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:31:51 +0200 > >Gentlemen, > >after having guided my 2 groups to the JiTong line (good to hear that steam >is still >running there...) in June, I will return to China from 10.7.-25.7. and do a >little bit of >exploring work at Hami, Yima, Zhengzhou, Ma'anshan and Zhenzhou. > >If nobody else has replied before, I will be happy to post my findings >during/after the >trip! > >Peter > > _________________________________________________________________ Download nu MSN Messenger 6.2 http://messenger.msn.be?DI=1032&XAPID=2604&SU=hotmail.be ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2902-1086186561-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 16:28:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i52ESfpk010220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:28:41 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i52ETM84023297 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:29:27 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2902-1086186561-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 14:29:21 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85260 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 14:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 14:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 14:29:16 -0000 Received: from 66-44-2-161.s669.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.161] helo=S0028187519) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BVWcg-0001q1-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c448ac$f0e375f0$a1022c42@S0028187519> To: References: <40BDBAA7.31018.401422@localhost> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.61 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:21:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 873 Peter Patt Thanks so much for deciding to explore the steam operation near Hami. It will be a great service to the rest of us. Now who will volunteer to check out Shenmu-Yan'an, with its possibility of QJ-powered coal trains in montainous scenery with viaducts higher and longer than Simingyi (see QJ-Country news for April 26) ? Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Patt" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? > Gentlemen, > > after having guided my 2 groups to the JiTong line (good to hear that steam is still > running there...) in June, I will return to China from 10.7.-25.7. and do a little bit of > exploring work at Hami, Yima, Zhengzhou, Ma'anshan and Zhenzhou. > > If nobody else has replied before, I will be happy to post my findings during/after the > trip! > > Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 874 Dear Louis, Bernd Seiler is in China just now. We phoned just before his departure last week. He promised to do inquiries about Shenmu. So, it probably will take less than 10 days until we get some more information. Best regards, Florian Cerny schrieb: > Peter Patt > > Thanks so much for deciding to explore the steam operation near Hami. > It > will be a great service to the rest of us. Now who will volunteer to > check > out Shenmu-Yan'an, with its possibility of QJ-powered coal trains in > montainous scenery with viaducts higher and longer than Simingyi (see > QJ-Country news for April 26) ? > > Louis Cerny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Patt" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:31 AM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: New Narrow Gauge in China? > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > after having guided my 2 groups to the JiTong line (good to hear > that > steam is still > > running there...) in June, I will return to China from 10.7.-25.7. > and do > a little bit of > > exploring work at Hami, Yima, Zhengzhou, Ma'anshan and Zhenzhou. > > > > If nobody else has replied before, I will be happy to post my > findings > during/after the > > trip! > > > > Peter > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [click here] > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2904-1086199661-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 20:06:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i52I6vFM009781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:06:58 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.38]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i52I7g84031929 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:07:43 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2904-1086199661-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 18:07:41 -0000 X-Sender: r.van.duijnhoven@planet.nl X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1685 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 18:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 18:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 18:07:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 18:07:38 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "duijnh005" X-Originating-IP: 213.10.196.109 X-Yahoo-Profile: duijnh005 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:07:35 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: China Steam Locomotive Boilers Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 875 Hello everyone too, I am also look for technical information, drawings, etc of the Chinese locomotives, special of the QJ. (but also of JS and SY if possible). (Bruce just ask the same... coincidence) I know some information on "Hans Schaefers homepage" 'histoty of construction', but missing the technical/more detail drawings, etc. One of my questions: What are the two "switch" on the side of the smokebox? (one by 'boilerside', one in middle/smokeboxdoor)(something for overheater?, no giesl) Maybe there is some book about this technical information, somebody knows?? (chinese language no problem, or www.?????? Thanks, Roger van Duijnhoven, NL -- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "brankin" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I recently joined this group and have been observing the discussions over > the last few weeks and found it interesting. > > I am wondering whether anyone out there on this list has any technical > information, drawings, photos, etc of the welded boilers that are used on > the Chinese locomotives. I am researching locomotive boilers and if anyone > has any information I would be very grateful for any information or leads to > where I may find this information. > > Thank you, > Bruce Rankin, South Korea > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2906-1086202816-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 20:59:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i52IxYal015439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:59:34 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.85]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i52J0J84010396 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:00:20 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2906-1086202816-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 19:00:19 -0000 X-Sender: sy0791@yahoo.com.hk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9793 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 19:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 19:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 19:00:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 18:59:28 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "sy0791" X-Originating-IP: 219.78.1.174 X-Yahoo-Profile: sy0791 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:59:28 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: China Steam Locomotive Boilers Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 877 these are some of the information i've found located in Technical drawings of QJ http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/files/Technical% 20drawings%20of%20QJ/ i also have a book related to this topic i've made it to a 70MB e-book anyone who wish to read may give me a ftp location for uploading ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2908-1086243755-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jun 3 08:21:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i536Lo56028188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:21:50 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i536Ma84030745 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:22:37 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2908-1086243755-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2004 06:22:36 -0000 X-Sender: toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44093 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 06:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 06:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-07.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 06:22:34 -0000 Received: from webmail06.arcor-online.net (webmail06.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.87]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900F9E9603 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:22:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <30688854.1086243752577.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail06.arcor-online.net> To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com X-ngMessageSubType: MessageSubType_MAIL X-WebmailclientIP: : 221.199.157.204 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.47 From: toni@germanynet.de X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:22:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 879 Hello All together, Yesterday we asked the station staff at Haoluku about the passenger to Baiqi. The answer was: 100 % steam, no diesel was observed in the recent weeks. All freights to Baiqi we saw had steam. So the rumour about diesel at the passenger might be wrong. Beware of the restaurant at Haoluku station just 50 meters right hand from the control office. Absolutely overpriced (a bottle of beer which is available for 2 Yuan in a small restaurant soime 100 meters further was 10 Yuan special foreigner price in the mentioned restaurant). Rest of the operation is just normal, we found no lack of trains as others reported. Sometimes a gap of 3,5 hours from one direction, but nothing special. To make good pictures at this time of the year we have to start at about 4.00 am. (There is another option for people who like to get up later and having breakfast, of course). From sunrise at 4.20 until 9.00 and from 16.00 until sunset at 19.00 hrs the light is very soft and good for photography. I think we got some good shots ... Greetings from the famous internet coffee in Reshui, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRai Tours www.farrail.com +86/138/47 86 66 85 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2913-1086333842-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 09:24:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i547O4ct023587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:24:05 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n43.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n43.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.18]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i547O284016876 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:24:03 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2913-1086333842-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 07:24:02 -0000 X-Sender: seabasstry2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47503 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 07:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 07:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 07:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 07:23:46 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "seabasstry2004" X-Originating-IP: 219.207.40.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: seabasstry2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:23:44 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] It's so near Beijing Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i547O4ct023587 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 884 Hi!Peter and all. Shahe is in north Beijing Area. About 22km,from BeijingBei to Shahe. Shahe's SY can be seen in south area of Shahe station. >From highway Shahe exit to about 2km. Do you have Beijing map? And... Do you want to see my photo reports? Well come! http://www45.tok2.com/home/penta/cgi-bin/clip/taitian.cgi But,,,I wrote only Japanese,sorry. (^^U --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Semmelroch" wrote: > Can anybody tell me where and what the so-called Shahe Railway in or near > Beijing is? (See report by T. Ota at QJ-country page). > Peter Semmelroch ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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As information to others, Shahe is shown on the Quail Map on the line to the Great Wall at Bandaling from Beijing. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "seabasstry2004" To: Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] It's so near Beijing Hi!Peter and all. Shahe is in north Beijing Area. About 22km,from BeijingBei to Shahe. Shahe's SY can be seen in south area of Shahe station. >From highway Shahe exit to about 2km. Do you have Beijing map? And... Do you want to see my photo reports? Well come! http://www45.tok2.com/home/penta/cgi-bin/clip/taitian.cgi But,,,I wrote only Japanese,sorry. (^^U --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Semmelroch" wrote: > Can anybody tell me where and what the so-called Shahe Railway in or near > Beijing is? (See report by T. Ota at QJ-country page). > Peter Semmelroch Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2919-1086363763-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 17:42:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i54FgjAU015878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:42:45 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.25]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i54Fgi84001510 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:42:44 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2919-1086363763-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 15:42:43 -0000 X-Sender: roche@12move.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96433 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 15:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 15:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 15:42:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 15:42:06 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c44a48$500d34c0$b1022c42@S0028187519> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Peter Semmelroch" X-Originating-IP: 145.254.115.51 X-Yahoo-Profile: qj7141 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:42:05 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: It's so near Beijing Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 890 Takuhiro Ota & Louis Cerny Thank you both for the prompt answers. I found Shahe on the Quail map. Have you got more information about this railway? Where does it run to? How many trains? What is transported? Only 2 SY locos or more? Any information is welcome, as it might be an interesting place to visit, when you have a stopover day in Beijing. Peter Semmelroch ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2922-1086378619-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 21:50:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i54JoLbB008273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:50:21 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.87]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i54JoK84016830 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:50:20 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2922-1086378619-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 19:50:19 -0000 X-Sender: seabasstry2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8712 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 19:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 19:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 19:50:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 19:49:07 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "seabasstry2004" X-Originating-IP: 219.207.40.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: seabasstry2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 19:49:06 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chengdu map Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 893 Hi!ALL. The map of Chengdu came to hand. Please use. http://www45.tok2.com/home/penta/img/1196.jpg Chengdu Seamless Pipe Mill is middle right point on the map. T.Ota ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2924-1086421977-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jun 5 09:52:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i557qweB020625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 09:52:59 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i557qw84003409 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 09:52:59 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2924-1086421977-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2004 07:52:57 -0000 X-Sender: seabasstry2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88274 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 07:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 07:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 07:52:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2004 07:51:40 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "seabasstry2004" X-Originating-IP: 219.207.40.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: seabasstry2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 07:51:40 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Beijing Map Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i557qweB020625 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 895 Hi!All. I prepared the map of Beijing. http://www45.tok2.com/home/penta/img/1197.jpg Shahe,Dahuichang,and Beijing 27rail works are Marking of on the map. @ A position relation is introduced although it is a near point. Please use by all means. T.Ota ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2926-1086477430-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jun 6 01:17:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i55NHBF8026800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 01:17:11 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i55NHB84016457 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 01:17:12 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2926-1086477430-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2004 23:17:10 -0000 X-Sender: jbwest@att.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36438 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 23:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2004 23:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 23:17:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2004 23:16:55 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "John West" X-Originating-IP: 12.72.147.95 X-Yahoo-Profile: jbardinwest MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:16:55 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] "Facts are different in China" Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 897 While reading Keith Laidler's "The Last Empress" (highly recommended for anyone interested in Chinese history)I ran across the following which seemed terribly applicable to those of us trying to sort out "official" reports of when the Jitong might dieselize: "There was in China (and to a lesser extent still is) a general proclivity among officialdom for denying the obvious.....This was brought home to me in an interview with a Chinese forestry official in Sichuan. Outside the office trucks passed noisily down the track at a rate of one or two a minute, packed to the gunwales with huge tree trunks, cut from the forests near the Tibetan border and destined for some construction site in....Chengdu..... "'Where exactly do these lorries deposit their timber?' I asked. "The official stared back, his eyes puzzled, 'What lorries?' "It became obvious later in the interview that Party policy said no timber should be cut from this region. Therefore, for the official, the lorries simply could not exist. Everyone knew the problem was not to be discussed, so everyone pretended it was not there. That way, in a typically Chinese solution, the business could go ahead, Chengdu could get its timber, and at the same time Party policy was adhered to--because nothing was happening..... "'You must understand', the official told me earnestly, and with every indication of sincerity, 'facts are different in China'." ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2927-1086500298-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jun 6 07:38:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i565cI3L013147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:38:18 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.25]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i565cI84001661 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:38:19 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2927-1086500298-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2004 05:38:18 -0000 X-Sender: seabasstry2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86786 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2004 05:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2004 05:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2004 05:38:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2004 05:38:10 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.105 From: "seabasstry2004" X-Originating-IP: 219.207.40.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: seabasstry2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 05:38:09 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] HULUDAO ZINC SMELTER Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 898 Hi,All. I add a report. I visited HULUDAO ZINC SMELTER on 05/29/2004. Zinc factory and seaside railway are Dieselized before half a year. It reclaimed land from the sea. T.Ota ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2928-1086704057-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jun 8 16:14:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i58EEGUd006559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:14:16 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n47.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n47.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.24]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i58EEI84016733 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:14:20 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2928-1086704057-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 14:14:18 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49197 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 14:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 14:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 14:14:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 14:12:55 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.4.45 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:12:54 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Details and Photos of Steam at Yima Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 899 Hello all, The message board at the Japanese "Steam in China" website has photos of JS operation in the open pit at Yima (55km west of Luoyang), plus some photos showing how to walk into the pit. In a very helpful step, some of the Japanese text paragraphs are followed by English translations. Many thanks for this additional effort. The message board is at: http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2929-1086716097-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jun 8 19:35:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i58HYvFJ029298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:34:57 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.19]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i58HZ084022537 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:35:02 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2929-1086716097-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 17:34:57 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29530 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 17:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 17:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailgate5.cinetic.de) (217.72.192.165) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 17:34:56 -0000 Received: by mailgate5.web.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id i58Fb5408186 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:37:05 +0200 Received: from 221.199.157.229 by freemailng0202.web.de with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:49:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1334131773@web.de> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.165 From: "Heinrich Hubbert" X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:49:17 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 900 I saw on 3 june DF 4 6005 with a goods train wating at saggendalai around 6.30 pm facing eastwards. it departed, after a steam-goods came in from the east. i saw it again later in xichuerchung waiting with its rake to be overtaken by A 262, were i was sitting in. heinrich Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 03.06.04 08:22:44: > > Hello All together, > > Yesterday we asked the station staff at Haoluku about the passenger to Baiqi. The answer was: 100 % steam, no diesel was observed in the recent weeks. All freights to Baiqi we saw had steam. > > So the rumour about diesel at the passenger might be wrong. > > Beware of the restaurant at Haoluku station just 50 meters right hand from the control office. Absolutely overpriced (a bottle of beer which is available for 2 Yuan in a small restaurant soime 100 meters further was 10 Yuan special foreigner price in the mentioned restaurant). > > Rest of the operation is just normal, we found no lack of trains as others reported. Sometimes a gap of 3,5 hours from one direction, but nothing special. > > To make good pictures at this time of the year we have to start at about 4.00 am. (There is another option for people who like to get up later and having breakfast, of course). From sunrise at 4.20 until 9.00 and from 16.00 until sunset at 19.00 hrs the light is very soft and good for photography. I think we got some good shots ... > > Greetings from the famous internet coffee in Reshui, > > Bernd > > Bernd Seiler > FarRai Tours > www.farrail.com > +86/138/47 86 66 85 > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ Endlich SMS mit Bildern versenden! Das Bild selbst ist dabei gratis, Sie bezahlen lediglich den Versand. http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021195 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2931-1086870391-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 14:26:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5ACQVNG012533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:26:31 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5ACQW84007148 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:26:34 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2931-1086870391-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2004 12:26:32 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44168 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2004 12:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2004 12:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr77.hinet.net) (168.95.4.177) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2004 12:26:30 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-90-187.dynamic.hinet.net [61.226.90.187]) by msr77.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01202 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:26:02 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <007701c44ee7$1e16f750$bb5ae23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: <1334131773@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.177 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:32:02 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 902 Hullo folks, DF4B 6005 is (or was) a Jiningnan-based CNR loco. Does this sighting possibly mean that the Jitong line is also now hiring locos from Jiningnan as well as Tongliao? Jiningnan has been receiving new DF8Bs over the last 18 months or so, so they are very likely to have surplus DF4Bs. Visitors should keep their eyes open for similar workings. Let's hope this was a one-off! Cheers, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heinrich Hubbert" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > I saw on 3 june DF 4 6005 with a goods train wating at saggendalai > around 6.30 pm facing eastwards. > it departed, after a steam-goods came in from the east. > i saw it again later in xichuerchung waiting with its rake to be overtaken by A 262, were i was sitting in. > > heinrich > > Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 03.06.04 08:22:44: > > > > Hello All together, > > > > Yesterday we asked the station staff at Haoluku about the passenger to Baiqi. The answer was: 100 % steam, no diesel was observed in the recent weeks. All freights to Baiqi we saw had steam. > > > > So the rumour about diesel at the passenger might be wrong. > > > > Beware of the restaurant at Haoluku station just 50 meters right hand from the control office. Absolutely overpriced (a bottle of beer which is available for 2 Yuan in a small restaurant soime 100 meters further was 10 Yuan special foreigner price in the mentioned restaurant). > > > > Rest of the operation is just normal, we found no lack of trains as others reported. Sometimes a gap of 3,5 hours from one direction, but nothing special. > > > > To make good pictures at this time of the year we have to start at about 4.00 am. (There is another option for people who like to get up later and having breakfast, of course). From sunrise at 4.20 until 9.00 and from 16.00 until sunset at 19.00 hrs the light is very soft and good for photography. I think we got some good shots ... > > > > Greetings from the famous internet coffee in Reshui, > > > > Bernd > > > > Bernd Seiler > > FarRai Tours > > www.farrail.com > > +86/138/47 86 66 85 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Endlich SMS mit Bildern versenden! Das Bild selbst ist dabei gratis, > Sie bezahlen lediglich den Versand. http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021195 > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2932-1086872801-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 15:06:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5AD6dqR015842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:06:39 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.37]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5AD6g84013838 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:06:45 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2932-1086872801-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2004 13:06:41 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2760 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2004 13:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2004 13:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-04.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2004 13:06:38 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-067-162.arcor-ip.net [145.254.67.162]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AC0A9C4C5DF for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:06:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <02ec01c44eeb$f0cb1a60$7774fea9@farrail> To: References: <1334131773@web.de> <007701c44ee7$1e16f750$bb5ae23d@TRAVELMATE> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.44 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:07:52 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 903 DF4B 6005 is among other used DF4Bs, JiTong purchased in the recent 12 months for it's Baiqi Depot. Yesterday the loco was under repair in the shed of Baiqi. Baiqi has 26 QJ and 12 diesels. 50 % of the diesels are new DF4D, the rest are used engines from the CNR. So far nothing special. The passenger Baiqi - Benhong is diesel now. Greetings, Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: BruceEvans To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi Hullo folks, DF4B 6005 is (or was) a Jiningnan-based CNR loco. Does this sighting possibly mean that the Jitong line is also now hiring locos from Jiningnan as well as Tongliao? Jiningnan has been receiving new DF8Bs over the last 18 months or so, so they are very likely to have surplus DF4Bs. Visitors should keep their eyes open for similar workings. Let's hope this was a one-off! Cheers, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heinrich Hubbert" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > I saw on 3 june DF 4 6005 with a goods train wating at saggendalai > around 6.30 pm facing eastwards. > it departed, after a steam-goods came in from the east. > i saw it again later in xichuerchung waiting with its rake to be overtaken by A 262, were i was sitting in. > > heinrich > > Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 03.06.04 08:22:44: > > > > Hello All together, > > > > Yesterday we asked the station staff at Haoluku about the passenger to Baiqi. The answer was: 100 % steam, no diesel was observed in the recent weeks. All freights to Baiqi we saw had steam. > > > > So the rumour about diesel at the passenger might be wrong. > > > > Beware of the restaurant at Haoluku station just 50 meters right hand from the control office. Absolutely overpriced (a bottle of beer which is available for 2 Yuan in a small restaurant soime 100 meters further was 10 Yuan special foreigner price in the mentioned restaurant). > > > > Rest of the operation is just normal, we found no lack of trains as others reported. Sometimes a gap of 3,5 hours from one direction, but nothing special. > > > > To make good pictures at this time of the year we have to start at about 4.00 am. (There is another option for people who like to get up later and having breakfast, of course). From sunrise at 4.20 until 9.00 and from 16.00 until sunset at 19.00 hrs the light is very soft and good for photography. I think we got some good shots ... > > > > Greetings from the famous internet coffee in Reshui, > > > > Bernd > > > > Bernd Seiler > > FarRai Tours > > www.farrail.com > > +86/138/47 86 66 85 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2933-1086900647-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 22:50:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5AKoftb020327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:50:41 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5AKol84025513 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:50:48 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2933-1086900647-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2004 20:50:47 -0000 X-Sender: pwormald@btinternet.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83571 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2004 20:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2004 20:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.12.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2004 20:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO philippc) (pwormald@btinternet.com@217.42.156.236 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2004 20:50:39 -0000 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1086899536.222.85124.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.12.12.141 From: "Philip Wormald" X-Yahoo-Profile: philip521435 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:50:56 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JS 8162 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 904 Simon. > One of the Chinese news groups has a picture of JS 8162 > in steam taken this year (web address below) by Phil > Wormald near Nanpiao. The photo clearly shows two other > loco's in the background. Does anyone know where this is > and what the other loco's are? It was between Nanpiao - Jinzhou, we were on the evening service train, it was about 25 mins after Nanpiao, a station that's not in timetable. 50% of the trains passengers got on there, all wearing blue uniforms, power station workers? The JS took us by TOTAL surprise!! Right place at right time, and camera handy! ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2934-1086903005-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 23:30:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5ALU1X1023311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:30:02 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5ALU684031672 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:30:07 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2934-1086903005-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2004 21:30:05 -0000 X-Sender: iejiej@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73196 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2004 21:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2004 21:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web61105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.155.196.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2004 21:30:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040610212904.60854.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.151.190.26] by web61105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:29:04 PDT To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.155.196.107 From: ian juden X-Yahoo-Profile: iejiej MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] JS 8162 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 905 When I visited Nanpiao in Dec 2003 I noticed a well used single track line diverging in a north easterly direction from the Jinzhou to Nanpiao line in the same area - about 3 or 4 stations south of Huangjia. It went along a valley in to a hilly area. I saw no locos, though. I also saw a QJ, 6830 or 6838, in good condition, but not in steam, to the west of the line at a large factory about 10km further south from the abovementioned branch line. I seem to recall there was another recent sighting of a QJ in this area. SY 1750 was noted at a large granary to the south of the Jinzhou to Tangshan main line just east of the point where the Nanpiao branch diverges. From its position in the sidings it could either work there, or have been in transit. I hope this information is of use. Sincerely Ian Juden --- Philip Wormald wrote: > Simon. > > > One of the Chinese news groups has a picture of JS > 8162 > > in steam taken this year (web address below) by > Phil > > Wormald near Nanpiao. The photo clearly shows two > other > > loco's in the background. Does anyone know where > this is > > and what the other loco's are? > > It was between Nanpiao - Jinzhou, we were on the > evening service train, it > was about 25 mins after Nanpiao, a station that's > not in timetable. 50% of > the trains passengers got on there, all wearing blue > uniforms, power station > workers? > > The JS took us by TOTAL surprise!! Right place at > right time, and camera > handy! > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2937-1086965437-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 16:50:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5BEoVet013058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:50:31 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5BEoc84023360 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:50:39 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2937-1086965437-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2004 14:50:37 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62738 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 14:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2004 14:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-04.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 14:50:35 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-013-093.arcor-ip.net [212.144.13.93]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 44B22C4B830 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:50:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00f301c44fc3$a18a29e0$dd1b90d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.44 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:51:00 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] lost film at Jingpeng pass, tunnel 4, February 15th, 2004 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i5BEoVet013058 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 908 Hello all together, A participant of my winter tour to China found an exposed Fuji RD 100 6x6 film roll in good condition at the pass, tunnel no. 4 on February 15th, 2004 at about 2 pm. Is there anybody who is missing a film? the original text: "ich habe am Tunnel 4 am Sonntag, 15.2., 14.00 einen belichteten Rollfilm Fuji RD 100 gefunden. War in gutem Zustand, deswegen vermute ich, er ist noch keine Nacht drauen gelegen" Greetings, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2939-1087007974-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 04:39:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5C2dS2X002344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 04:39:28 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.19]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5C2dZ84024539 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 04:39:36 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2939-1087007974-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2004 02:39:34 -0000 X-Sender: robdickinson@dial.pipex.com X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55461 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2004 02:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2004 02:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO colossus.systems.pipex.net) (62.241.160.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 02:39:30 -0000 Received: from Sugar (unknown [221.216.193.67]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93931C000E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 03:39:27 +0100 (BST) To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.241.160.73 X-eGroups-From: "Rob Dickinson" From: "Rob Dickinson" X-Yahoo-Profile: robdickinsonuk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:35:56 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Yinghao Coal Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 910 I have just posted a report of my visit on my web site which will be of interest to members of the group. Rob Dickinson My sites: http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/internat.htm http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/javatour/java1997.htm Email: robdickinson@dial.pipex.com Home: 5, Ash Lane, Monmouth, NP25 5FJ, UK Tel/Fax: +(44) 1600 713 405 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2941-1087033785-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 11:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5C9nbvc005909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:49:38 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5C9nj84029381 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:49:46 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2941-1087033785-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2004 09:49:45 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79609 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2004 09:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2004 09:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr52.hinet.net) (168.95.4.152) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 09:49:42 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-90-192.dynamic.hinet.net [61.226.90.192]) by msr52.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15303 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:49:38 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <000201c45063$99bc85f0$c05ae23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: <1334131773@web.de> <007701c44ee7$1e16f750$bb5ae23d@TRAVELMATE> <02ec01c44eeb$f0cb1a60$7774fea9@farrail> <005401c44fba$b3a84fc0$bb5ae23d@TRAVELMATE> <00f201c44fc3$9eff3940$dd1b90d4@farrail> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.152 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:34:31 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Haoluku - Baiqi diesels, industrial dieselisation Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 912 Bernd, Louis and others, Bernd, thanks for the extra details on the newly acquired Jitong DF4Bs. All three, 6005, 6007 and 6031 are ex-Jiningnan locos from what I can see. On 1889 I have it recorded as a Jiningnan loco and am pretty sure it is still CNR. For interest this is the first time I have recorded DF4Bs as against much older straight DF4s being disposed of by CNR. Louis, I don't think there are that many old industrial diesels in China at this stage that are somewhere near replacement stage. The main type I guess would be the imported East German V100s. From my assessment production of diesels by the MoR factories for industrial and mine use has at least trebled since 2000 when the steam replacement programme on CNR was close to complete. As a rough estimate I think production of diesel locos for industry, mines and local railways is now at around 250 units per year and appears to be still increasing. Certainly a few new diesels are for replacement of old diesels and quite a few are for new or expanded industrial facilities, in particular for power stations, but the bulk are for replacing steam. Again at a rough guess I would say around 300-350 steam locos are being withdrawn per year now. There are still a lot of industrial and mine locations with steam that we have not found in China but I think sadly many are going to go unrecorded with steam disappearing or being greatly reduced before they are discovered. If you enjoy seeking out new steam workings now is the time to be looking. Cheers, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernd Seiler" To: Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > Hello Bruce, > > I've seen DF4B 6007 in the loco depot Baiqi, DF4B 1889 with passenger 6051/6054 in Benhong, arrival from Jining Nan (probably CNR-loco) and DF4B 6031 with a freight Benhong - Baiqi. So it seems the DF4Bs are 6005, 6007 and 6031. > > No information about DF10 and the shunter in Benhong. In April 2004 it was a deflectorless QJ. > > Greetings, > > Bernd > > Bernd Seiler > FarRail Tours > www.farrail.com > mail@farrail.com > Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 > +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BruceEvans > To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > > > Bernd and other readers, > > According to my assessment then the Jitong JV Railway now owns 6 DF4Ds > (4054, 4055, 4069-4072, the first new diesels they bought), 3 Ziyang-built > DF4Bs (9516-9518, the second buy of new locos) and now 3 second-hand ex-CNR > DF4Bs (one of > which is 6005). All based at Baiqi. Is this your understanding? > > Any idea of the numbers of the other two second-hand DF4Bs? > > Has anyone perhaps been able to get an explanation for the brand-new > Dalian-built DF10D (I think) heavy shunter that was tested as a banker and > it seems a mid-train helper over the pass a few weeks ago? Any confirmation > that this was not a Jitong loco? (Is the shunt duty at Benhong still QJ?). > > Changing subjects, today I spotted a photograph on one of the Chinese > enthusiast websites showing brand new Ziyang-built GK1C shunter no 0239. > From my assessment production of this type of diesel shunter alone has shot > up to around 60 per year now - an indication of how rapidly dieselisation of > industrial operations in China is taking place. > > Cheers, > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernd Seiler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > > > > DF4B 6005 is among other used DF4Bs, JiTong purchased in the recent 12 > months for it's Baiqi Depot. Yesterday the loco was under repair in the shed > of Baiqi. Baiqi has 26 QJ and 12 diesels. 50 % of the diesels are new DF4D, > the rest are used engines from the CNR. So far nothing special. The > passenger Baiqi - Benhong is diesel now. > > > > Greetings, > > > > Bernd Seiler > > FarRail Tours > > www.farrail.com > > mail@farrail.com > > Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 > > +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: BruceEvans > > To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > > > > > > Hullo folks, > > > > DF4B 6005 is (or was) a Jiningnan-based CNR loco. Does this sighting > > possibly mean that the Jitong line is also now hiring locos from > Jiningnan > > as well as Tongliao? > > Jiningnan has been receiving new DF8Bs over the last 18 months or so, so > > they are very likely to have surplus DF4Bs. Visitors should keep their > eyes > > open for similar workings. Let's hope this was a one-off! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bruce > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Heinrich Hubbert" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > > > > > > > I saw on 3 june DF 4 6005 with a goods train wating at saggendalai > > > around 6.30 pm facing eastwards. > > > it departed, after a steam-goods came in from the east. > > > i saw it again later in xichuerchung waiting with its rake to be > overtaken > > by A 262, were i was sitting in. > > > > > > heinrich > > > > > > Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 03.06.04 08:22:44: > > > > > > > > Hello All together, > > > > > > > > Yesterday we asked the station staff at Haoluku about the passenger > to > > Baiqi. The answer was: 100 % steam, no diesel was observed in the recent > > weeks. All freights to Baiqi we saw had steam. > > > > > > > > So the rumour about diesel at the passenger might be wrong. > > > > > > > > Beware of the restaurant at Haoluku station just 50 meters right > hand > > from the control office. Absolutely overpriced (a bottle of beer which > is > > available for 2 Yuan in a small restaurant soime 100 meters further was > 10 > > Yuan special foreigner price in the mentioned restaurant). > > > > > > > > Rest of the operation is just normal, we found no lack of trains as > > others reported. Sometimes a gap of 3,5 hours from one direction, but > > nothing special. > > > > > > > > To make good pictures at this time of the year we have to start at > about > > 4.00 am. (There is another option for people who like to get up later > and > > having breakfast, of course). From sunrise at 4.20 until 9.00 and from > 16.00 > > until sunset at 19.00 hrs the light is very soft and good for > photography. I > > think we got some good shots ... > > > > > > > > Greetings from the famous internet coffee in Reshui, > > > > > > > > Bernd > > > > > > > > Bernd Seiler > > > > FarRai Tours > > > > www.farrail.com > > > > +86/138/47 86 66 85 > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2945-1087060798-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 19:19:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5CHJqBi013254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:19:52 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5CHK084019814 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:20:01 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2945-1087060798-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2004 17:20:00 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22095 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2004 17:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2004 17:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-02.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 17:19:55 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-070-001.arcor-ip.net [145.254.70.1]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 75F7BBBD949 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:19:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000001c450a1$906ac690$0146fe91@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.42 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:50:00 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] stars on smoke deflectors of QJ on Jitong line Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 916 Dear Reinhard, In my trip report of the Easter tour I wrote: 9) They introduced a system of white, yellow and red stars to make it public which loco crew cares for the boilers of their engines well, and which do not. At every boiler washout they'll add a new star on the smoke deflectors. A red star shows to others that the boiler was in excellent condition, a yellow star is given for a boiler in medium shape, and a white star is for one in very bad condition. The loco crews will not get any additional payment for good boiler conditions. It is a competition for fame and recognition. This system is only valid for Daban depot, Baiqi locos do not carry stars at the reflectors. Fresh overhauled or painted locomotives do not carry stars. As far as I could see white stars do not exist yet. For further details please read the complete report on my web site (www.farrail.com -> trip reports). I'll add the new report (June 2004 trip) next week. Have a nice weekend, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: fichtl60 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] stars on smoke deflectors of QJ on Jitong line Hello! Does anybody know the meaning of the red and yellow stars painted onto the smoke deflectors of most/all Jiton-engines ? Thanks, Reinhard Fichtl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2946-1087122208-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 12:23:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5DANK95005213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:23:20 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.72]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5DANT84021468 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:23:30 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2946-1087122208-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 10:23:28 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11327 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 10:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 10:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 10:23:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 10:23:27 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 82.46.164.12 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:23:26 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan to Pucheng Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 917 Hello everyone, While perusing the Chinese section of the Changjiang bulletin board, I found a photographic report featuring a line which I can't find listed on either Florian's or Rob's sites (apologies if I've missed it). It looks as if it might be a coal line which is situated in Shaanxi province, and appears to connect with CNR at Pucheng. On running the pages through a mechanical translator, it looks possible that the line may originate somewhere in the Tongchuan area. The line has at least five QJs - 6429, 64*9, 6871, 6928, and 7291 (the renumbered former Datong experimental loco). The locos are partially clean (boiler, cab, wheels,and tender) whereas the smokebox and front end seem to be coated in dirt. The featured loco is QJ 7291 which is pictured working a loaded train from "North Station" to Pucheng. The loco is carrying a Datong 1986 works plate (no month) which would seem to confirm its earlier incarnation. The line is single track with at least one long bridge and a tunnel. It is, at least in part, controlled by semaphore signals. It would appear that the loaded trains are worked tender first (towards Pucheng) whereas the empties are worked smokebox first. Also at work in the interchange sidings at Pucheng was DF10D 1001 which was reported as being owned by a "smoking factory". Although I haven't been able to find any other record of this line (hence this posting) I have a nagging feeling that I've heard of it somewhere before, so apologies if I'm going over old ground. All the best, Roy. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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See his report: http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~menius/trains/china372.htm Best regards, Florian ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Bowden To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan to Pucheng Hello everyone, While perusing the Chinese section of the Changjiang bulletin board, I found a photographic report featuring a line which I can't find listed on either Florian's or Rob's sites (apologies if I've missed it). It looks as if it might be a coal line which is situated in Shaanxi province, and appears to connect with CNR at Pucheng. On running the pages through a mechanical translator, it looks possible that the line may originate somewhere in the Tongchuan area. The line has at least five QJs - 6429, 64*9, 6871, 6928, and 7291 (the renumbered former Datong experimental loco). The locos are partially clean (boiler, cab, wheels,and tender) whereas the smokebox and front end seem to be coated in dirt. The featured loco is QJ 7291 which is pictured working a loaded train from "North Station" to Pucheng. The loco is carrying a Datong 1986 works plate (no month) which would seem to confirm its earlier incarnation. The line is single track with at least one long bridge and a tunnel. It is, at least in part, controlled by semaphore signals. It would appear that the loaded trains are worked tender first (towards Pucheng) whereas the empties are worked smokebox first. Also at work in the interchange sidings at Pucheng was DF10D 1001 which was reported as being owned by a "smoking factory". Although I haven't been able to find any other record of this line (hence this posting) I have a nagging feeling that I've heard of it somewhere before, so apologies if I'm going over old ground. All the best, Roy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2955-1087170065-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 01:40:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5DNeu2R026414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 01:40:56 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5DNf584029914 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 01:41:07 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2955-1087170065-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2004 23:41:05 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86205 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 23:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2004 23:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 23:41:04 -0000 Received: from 66-44-3-159.s921.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.159] helo=S0028187519) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BZeb1-00011I-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:41:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c4519f$e30b8750$9f032c42@S0028187519> To: References: <380-220046013173136172@onet.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.60 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:41:00 -0400 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Maanshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 926 Adrian Freeman Thanks for your recent QJ-Country report on Datong, Shibanxi, and Maanshan steam operations. Sorry that your visit to Maanshan on June 4 didn't produce the results you had hoped for. Maybe it was either a low day of activity or the situation has changed radically from when I was there for about four hours on February 27. Or maybe somehow you missed many of the areas of steam activity, some of which are separated by over 8km and hidden between buildings. My feeling then was that it would take at least two, and maybe three days to get to know the place and be able to draw a good map, because of such a large number of facilities widely separated and interspersed with residential areas. I saw steam operations off at a distance to which I never got near, and many areas of intense industrial activity were not explored. Yet I was able to get numbers of 14 engines in steam, 13 of which were actually in motion when I saw them, and I saw many others at a distance for which I was not able to get numbers. In regard to the statement about "newer concrete or clad structures", at least in the US very few factories were built of brick or stone after the 1920's, so that even factories built during World War II would fall into this definition, and to me that is certainly still "steam era." Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2956-1087245309-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 22:35:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5EKZ0W0010771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:35:00 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5EKZA84014177 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:35:11 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2956-1087245309-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2004 20:35:09 -0000 X-Sender: adrian.freeman@onet.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3567 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2004 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2004 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail1.hotchilli.net) (62.89.140.241) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2004 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from onet.co.uk (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.hotchilli.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.11) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:35:06 +0100 Message-ID: <380-2200461142035686@onet.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.89.140.241 From: "Adrian Freeman" X-Yahoo-Profile: ade_f2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:35:06 +0100 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Re: Maanshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i5EKZ0W0010771 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 927 Louis, It is entirely probable that we missed various places where steam may have been hiding. As we didn't see all the known engines, the missing ones must have been elsewhere, and if they weren't at the depot, they were probably in use. I guess we were rather put off by finding very little in the way of steam movements (simply bad luck or insufficient effort spent searching?) and by the smarter appearance of many of the industrial buildings. The latter is merely a question of our personal preference, which is for work-stained industrial structures as a backdrop for steam activity (another of your finds, Nanpiao, for example, has some fantastic grimy work-worn buildings). I am nevertheless hugely indebted to people like yourself, Bruce Evans, Bernd Seiler and others who have made the effort to find new steam systems and pass on the information for the benefit of lazy people like me, who simply turn up armed with the maps and information you've provided and expect it all to happen. Best regards, Adrian ---- Original Message ---- From: ltcerny@erols.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Re: Maanshan Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:41:00 -0400 > > > > >Adrian Freeman
>
>Thanks for your recent QJ-Country report on Datong, Shibanxi, and >Maanshan
>steam operations.
>
>Sorry that your visit to Maanshan on June 4 didn't produce the >results you
>had hoped for. Maybe it was either a low day of activity >or the situation
>has changed radically from when I was there for about four hours on >February
>27. Or maybe somehow you missed many of the areas of >steam activity, some
>of which are separated by over 8km and hidden between >buildings. My feeling
>then was that it would take at least two, and maybe three days to get >to
>know the place and be able to draw a good map, because of such a >large
>number of facilities widely separated and interspersed with >residential
>areas. I saw steam operations off at a distance to which >I never got near,
>and many areas of intense industrial activity were not >explored. Yet I was
>able to get numbers of 14 engines in steam, 13 of which were actually >in
>motion when I saw them, and I saw many others at a distance for which >I was
>not able to get numbers.
>
>In regard to the statement about "newer concrete or clad >structures", at
>least in the US very few factories were built of brick or stone after >the
>1920's, so that even factories built during World War II would fall >into
>this definition, and to me that is certainly still "steam >era."
>
>Louis Cerny
>
>
>
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2957-1087308234-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 16:03:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5FE3ik0003931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:03:44 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5FE3t84018252 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:03:56 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2957-1087308234-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2004 14:03:55 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2548 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 14:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2004 14:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr10.hinet.net) (168.95.4.110) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 14:03:52 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-90-254.dynamic.hinet.net [61.226.90.254]) by msr10.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05455 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:03:42 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <002501c452e2$96bc5cf0$fe5ae23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: <380-2200461142035686@onet.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.110 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:09:27 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: Maanshan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 928 Adrian, Many thanks for the comments and for your recording efforts at Ma'anshan and elsewhere. They yielded two SYs for which I did not have previous records as well as several new builders dates. For general interest over the past 10 years or so I have tried to accumulate all SY sightings reported since the mid-1980s and now have records for almost 1100 of the about 1830 SYs built.Of the 1100 about 100 were seen at various overhaul workshops and the actual ownership remains unknown. We thus still do not know where about 800-850 (or 45%) of the SYs went to (which steelworks, mine systems, etc). Allowing for scrappings it seems reasonable that there could still be of the order of 400-500 working SYs out there still to be found. Perhaps more importantly it also shows that we may have only so far found around 55-60% of the locations where SYs (and in some cases other steam types) are working in China. The very sad thing is that given the present rapid pace of industrial dieselisation we are not going to ever find many of these remaining SYs and thus could well miss out on some impressive steam locations. I hope this encourages a few more folks to go searching! (I would welcome any reports of SY sightings at new locations to add to my list.) Cheers, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Freeman" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:35 AM Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Re: Maanshan Louis, It is entirely probable that we missed various places where steam may have been hiding. As we didn't see all the known engines, the missing ones must have been elsewhere, and if they weren't at the depot, they were probably in use. I guess we were rather put off by finding very little in the way of steam movements (simply bad luck or insufficient effort spent searching?) and by the smarter appearance of many of the industrial buildings. The latter is merely a question of our personal preference, which is for work-stained industrial structures as a backdrop for steam activity (another of your finds, Nanpiao, for example, has some fantastic grimy work-worn buildings). I am nevertheless hugely indebted to people like yourself, Bruce Evans, Bernd Seiler and others who have made the effort to find new steam systems and pass on the information for the benefit of lazy people like me, who simply turn up armed with the maps and information you've provided and expect it all to happen. Best regards, Adrian ---- Original Message ---- From: ltcerny@erols.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Re: Maanshan Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:41:00 -0400 > > > > >Adrian Freeman
>
>Thanks for your recent QJ-Country report on Datong, Shibanxi, and >Maanshan
>steam operations.
>
>Sorry that your visit to Maanshan on June 4 didn't produce the >results you
>had hoped for. Maybe it was either a low day of activity >or the situation
>has changed radically from when I was there for about four hours on >February
>27. Or maybe somehow you missed many of the areas of >steam activity, some
>of which are separated by over 8km and hidden between >buildings. My feeling
>then was that it would take at least two, and maybe three days to get >to
>know the place and be able to draw a good map, because of such a >large
>number of facilities widely separated and interspersed with >residential
>areas. I saw steam operations off at a distance to which >I never got near,
>and many areas of intense industrial activity were not >explored. Yet I was
>able to get numbers of 14 engines in steam, 13 of which were actually >in
>motion when I saw them, and I saw many others at a distance for which >I was
>not able to get numbers.
>
>In regard to the statement about "newer concrete or clad >structures", at
>least in the US very few factories were built of brick or stone after >the
>1920's, so that even factories built during World War II would fall >into
>this definition, and to me that is certainly still "steam >era."
>
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2965-1087597242-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 00:20:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5IMKR8W028934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:20:27 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5IMKg84029336 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:20:44 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2965-1087597242-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 22:20:42 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73111 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 22:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 22:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 22:20:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2004 22:20:41 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.188 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:20:39 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Significant New Steam Line Discovered Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 936 Hello all, Another steam line has been discovered by our Japanese railfan friends! If my translations and understanding are correct, the Liujia-Xiaochuan line (Quail Map 8, line 41B) is steam operated, using JS 8022, 8183, 8223, and 8226, plus 3 SY including 0862. The line appears to be about 40km long. This line joins the CNR about 34km west of Lanzhou, which is 633km by rail west of Xian. Info is at the Japanese "Steam in China" message board at: http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ A nice map of the line is included. A visit here could fit in with a trip to see the Sandoaling Coal line near Hami, with its 23 JS plus 2 SY. Special thanks to the discoverer of this line. It would be appreciated if someone more skilled than I could help translate the information into English and correct any errors I might have made. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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Or am I wrong? Peter Semmelroch --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "BruceEvans" wrote: > Bernd and other readers, > > According to my assessment then the Jitong JV Railway now owns 6 DF4Ds > (4054, 4055, 4069-4072, the first new diesels they bought), 3 Ziyang-built > DF4Bs (9516-9518, the second buy of new locos) and now 3 second- hand ex-CNR > DF4Bs (one of > which is 6005). All based at Baiqi. Is this your understanding? > > Any idea of the numbers of the other two second-hand DF4Bs? > > Has anyone perhaps been able to get an explanation for the brand-new > Dalian-built DF10D (I think) heavy shunter that was tested as a banker and > it seems a mid-train helper over the pass a few weeks ago? Any confirmation > that this was not a Jitong loco? (Is the shunt duty at Benhong still QJ?). > > Changing subjects, today I spotted a photograph on one of the Chinese > enthusiast websites showing brand new Ziyang-built GK1C shunter no 0239. > From my assessment production of this type of diesel shunter alone has shot > up to around 60 per year now - an indication of how rapidly dieselisation of > industrial operations in China is taking place. > > Cheers, > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernd Seiler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > > > > DF4B 6005 is among other used DF4Bs, JiTong purchased in the recent 12 > months for it's Baiqi Depot. Yesterday the loco was under repair in the shed > of Baiqi. Baiqi has 26 QJ and 12 diesels. 50 % of the diesels are new DF4D, > the rest are used engines from the CNR. So far nothing special. The > passenger Baiqi - Benhong is diesel now. > > > > Greetings, > > > > Bernd Seiler > > FarRail Tours > > www.farrail.com > > mail@f... > > Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 > > +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: BruceEvans > > To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > > > > > > Hullo folks, > > > > DF4B 6005 is (or was) a Jiningnan-based CNR loco. Does this sighting > > possibly mean that the Jitong line is also now hiring locos from > Jiningnan > > as well as Tongliao? > > Jiningnan has been receiving new DF8Bs over the last 18 months or so, so > > they are very likely to have surplus DF4Bs. Visitors should keep their > eyes > > open for similar workings. Let's hope this was a one-off! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bruce > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Heinrich Hubbert" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] diesel Haoluku - Baiqi > > > > > > > I saw on 3 june DF 4 6005 with a goods train wating at saggendalai > > > around 6.30 pm facing eastwards. > > > it departed, after a steam-goods came in from the east. > > > i saw it again later in xichuerchung waiting with its rake to be > overtaken > > by A 262, were i was sitting in. > > > > > > heinrich > > > > > > Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 03.06.04 08:22:44: > > > > > > > > Hello All together, > > > > > > > > Yesterday we asked the station staff at Haoluku about the passenger > to > > Baiqi. The answer was: 100 % steam, no diesel was observed in the recent > > weeks. All freights to Baiqi we saw had steam. > > > > > > > > So the rumour about diesel at the passenger might be wrong. > > > > > > > > Beware of the restaurant at Haoluku station just 50 meters right > hand > > from the control office. Absolutely overpriced (a bottle of beer which > is > > available for 2 Yuan in a small restaurant soime 100 meters further was > 10 > > Yuan special foreigner price in the mentioned restaurant). > > > > > > > > Rest of the operation is just normal, we found no lack of trains as > > others reported. Sometimes a gap of 3,5 hours from one direction, but > > nothing special. > > > > > > > > To make good pictures at this time of the year we have to start at > about > > 4.00 am. (There is another option for people who like to get up later > and > > having breakfast, of course). From sunrise at 4.20 until 9.00 and from > 16.00 > > until sunset at 19.00 hrs the light is very soft and good for > photography. 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It is mentioned in the 2nd last paragraph Power plants hungrier for coal Cao Desheng 2004-06-19 07:26 The nation's current power shortage can partly be ascribed to inadequate coal transportation capacity across the country, experts say. Coal-fired electricity generating provides more than 80 per cent of the total power in the country, which in turn requires large amounts of coal, a researcher with Chinese Academy of Sciences said. However, due to a deficient coal transportation system which mainly depends on railways many power plants are short of fuel, which finds power production failing to meet the nation's demands in the peak consumption periods, the expert, who declined to be named, said. At least 1 million kilowatts cannot be generated due to coal shortages, and power shortages this summer are estimated at more than 20 million kilowatts, China Central Television reports. China is facing its most serious ever power shortages this year. More than 20 provinces have experienced power problems in the past few months. National electricity consumption set a new record of 5.967 billion kilowatt-hours (kwh) last Friday, breaking a historic high set on July 29 last year. Electricity shortages at peak times in the second quarter are estimated to exceed 20 million kilowatts, while the third quarter is expected to face a 30-million-kilowatt shortfall. To alleviate its strained supply, China's railway authority has urged local railway departments to make every effort to ensure coal transport remains unhindered. Priority should be given to coal for the nation's major power grid and power plants, Railway Minister Liu Zhijun said. Statistics from Liu's ministry indicate that among 310,000 carriages in the nation's railway departments, 220,000 have been used to transport coal. >From January to May, the nation's coal transport via rail was more than 400 million tons, an increase of 46.82 million tons compared with the year before. In the meantime, the rail ministry urged local cargo transport departments last week to stabilize freight charges to ensure fuel transport continues. Additional charges for transportation of important materials are banned, according to the ministry. In fact, the nation's rail network felt great pressure as early as February, when large amounts of farming materials such as grains, seeds, fertilizers and machines were in need of transport. Despite around-the-clock operations, the railway cargo transport still failed to meet the nation's demands and constitutes a bottleneck for economic development, rail officials say. The key contradiction to the problem is the limited railway network to carry crowded passenger and cargo trains, they said. While speeding up the railways to improve transport efficiency, the ministry has also intensified infrastructure construction. It has also mapped out a programme centring around construction of railway networks to elevate the nation's railway transport capacity. Accordingly, by the end of 2020, railways available for transport will be increased to 100,000 kilometres from the current 73,000 kilometres. In addition, passenger and freight transportation will be partly separated, according to the long-term plan. Fundamental reforms must be implemented in the nation's railway industry so that rail development can meet the demands of the nation's rapid economic growth, experts say. Electricity-generating enterprises also must try to break the bottleneck of limited rail resources by building special railway lines for coal transport. Beijing Datang Power Co Ltd has submitted its plan to governmental departments to build a 870-kilometre special line from Erdos of the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region to Beijing-Tangshan Harbour based in Tangshan of Hebei Province, China Business Times reported. 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 943 On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, ameling algra wrote: > > some other Transsib suggestions. [...] > 3. the TransSiberian goes to Vladivostok. If you get off in > Khabarovsk, you can take a hydrofoil across the river into China. Are you sure that it is Khabarovsk (which station is on the Chinese side, if any?) - unfortunately I have no up-to-date chinese railway map (Quail is sold out). I know about Belogorsk-Blagovescensk/Heihe pass with ferry. It is near (500 km ;) Khabarovsk. I want to take train 904A from Moscow: http://tinyurl.com/36xzc (if it is possible), but the transit visa (10 day) didn't allow me to use Vladivostok-Pogranichnyj pass. BTW, has anyone scan of face of the original chinese timetable? I want to buy one (rather for collectible reasons ;) but have no idea how it looks like. Regards, Mc ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2974-1087793578-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 06:52:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5L4qfP6010223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:52:41 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5L4qx84014028 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:53:00 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2974-1087793578-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 04:52:58 -0000 X-Sender: drittson@cia.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90770 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 04:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 04:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 04:52:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 04:52:50 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "Dennis Rittson" X-Originating-IP: 219.159.45.226 X-Yahoo-Profile: drittson MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:52:50 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Huanan Narrow Gauge Coal Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 946 Hi all, Recently (14th-17th June) our party visited the Huanan Coal Railway. The workings were interesting and spectacular, and it was good to see a working narrow gauge railway once more, since the closure of the Weihe timber railway early last year. We saw the following locos during our stay, all of the ever-faithful C2 Class: #004, #011 ,(being worked on when we first arrived, but back on the road the following day),#041, #043 (dismantled in the workshops and up on jacks for heavy overhaul), #044 and #168. Tuesday, 15th June was our first full day and we were eager to venture as far out along the line as we could, but traffic had virtually ceased because of a breakdown in a front-end loader at the depot, which meant that no coal could be unloaded there. However, #044 did go out along the line and returned later in the day heavily loaded with old sleepers, discarded by a constant sleeper renewal program that was evident virtually all along the line. Not many of the old sleepers made it back to the depot, however, as the train made several stops in the villages along the way where the workers in the wagons made high piles on both sides of the tracks, which appeared to please the locals quite a lot! On Wednesday, 16th, we drove out in our bus and followed the track as far as the road would take us (Xiahua Village, I think). From this point it was a 2 hour walk to the highest point along the line, which the local guide called "Summit": fair enough! :) One must traverse several kilometres of open, flat country along the valley, before the line begins to climb up through the forest, some of it very dense and lush green. This section made for pleasant walking, even though the gradient climbed steadily uphill at about 1 in 50 approx. On the walk up through the forest, we were overtaken by #004 on a load of empties, which we photted as it passed. Our guide then showed us a steep but short track that cut off a large loop in the line that the trains must follow to gain height. This allowed us to get ahead of #004 again and take a few more shots in the forest as she passed us once more. We finally reached Summit, where we set up camp in the shade under some trees. We then observed the following operation: A load of empties would work over Summit and down towards the Hong Goang Coal Mine. A loaded train would then work from the mine, banked in the rear by the loco that had brought the load of empties in about an hour earlier. The loaded train would then stop just over the crest of the climb at Summit, and both loco crews would wind on the wagon handbrakes to allow the leading loco to control its train down the long descent through the forest towards the depot. After the loaded train departed, the banking loco would then reverse down the line back towards the mine, where presumably it would attach to loaded train and await the arrival of another empty train, whose loco would thewn turn and bank the next load to Summit, and so the cycle would continue. Finally, it was time for us to start to head back to the bus, so we headed off downhill. Again the going through the forest was easy and pleasant despite the heat and humidity, but when we reached the valley floor once more, we were faced with several kilometres of open dusty walking in the heat of the day. We found this last section very distressful, and were very glad to arrive back at the bus, where more water was consumed, for the water we had carried in up the hill with us had long gone. One could consider visiting this line on motor scooters, as many passed us along the way; I'm sure the little track goes all the way to the coalmines. I wonder if these can be hired locally? Despite the problems we had with the heat and humidity, we enjoyed our stay on this line, and are considering returning to visit it next winter, when we are sure that freezing cold will be the problem to overcome, not heat and humidy. I will post some photos of our visit in a week or so, when I will be in a position to sort them from back home. Cheers, Dennis R ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2975-1087795364-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 07:22:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5L5MQtq012325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:22:27 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5L5Mj84017039 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:22:46 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2975-1087795364-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 05:22:44 -0000 X-Sender: chinatt@eudoramail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96083 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 05:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 05:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO whowhere.com) (209.202.220.219) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 05:22:42 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:22:32 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 159.157.251.43 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.202.220.219 From: "Duncan Peattie" X-Yahoo-Profile: duncanpeattie MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:22:32 0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway Timetable Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 947 The new edition of my English language timetable, based on the April 2004 CRPH timetable, is nearly finished and will be ready for distribution by 30 June. If you would like more information about the timetable please contact me directly at . Any timetable information for lines not included in the CRPH timetable is always welcome - I will use anything received this week to improve the timetable's coverage. Duncan Peattie Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2976-1087795376-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 07:22:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5L5McWb012363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:22:38 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.37]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5L5Mv84017073 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:22:57 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2976-1087795376-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 05:22:56 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82374 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 05:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 05:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 05:22:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 05:22:50 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.70 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 219.116.46.54 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:22:48 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 ? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 948 Hello Maciej, Next home page says, Fuyuan, China is connected from Khabarovsk by hydrofoil. http://www.intour-khabarovsk.com/Content/khv_out-of-town.html >From Fuyuan, You could find a bus or a taxi to Jiamusi CNR station. Distance of these cities is about 450Km and it takes about 8.5 hours. Regards, Jun --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Maciej Czapkiewicz wrote: > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, ameling algra wrote: > > > > some other Transsib suggestions. > [...] > > > 3. the TransSiberian goes to Vladivostok. If you get off in > > Khabarovsk, you can take a hydrofoil across the river into China. > > Are you sure that it is Khabarovsk (which station is on the Chinese > side, if any?) - unfortunately I have no up-to-date chinese railway > map (Quail is sold out). > > I know about Belogorsk-Blagovescensk/Heihe pass with ferry. > It is near (500 km ;) Khabarovsk. > > I want to take train 904A from Moscow: > http://tinyurl.com/36xzc > (if it is possible), but the transit visa (10 day) didn't > allow me to use Vladivostok-Pogranichnyj pass. > > BTW, has anyone scan of face of the original chinese timetable? > I want to buy one (rather for collectible reasons ;) > but have no idea how it looks like. > > Regards, > Mc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2977-1087796066-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 07:34:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5L5Y9nC013068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:34:09 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5L5YR84019117 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:34:28 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2977-1087796066-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 05:34:27 -0000 X-Sender: pghogan@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42618 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 05:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 05:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 05:34:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 05:33:37 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006a01c4553e$5e27b390$580990d4@farrail> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "Paul Hogan" X-Originating-IP: 219.159.45.226 X-Yahoo-Profile: pgh220 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:33:35 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Daban-Chabuga roads, and Jingpeng update Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 949 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Bernd Seiler" wrote: > Sorry, I forgot to add the maps to my report. I found the available map of Chabuga - Daban insufficient because of the new road kilometres and the new motorway under construction (you can use it already in parts....> Bernd, This would explain the now appalling condition of the existing road between Chabuga and Daban. We drove it a couple of days ago, after photographing the morning passenger services near Yamenmiao, and it was a very slow and rough journey. The worst section, of several kilometres, is reduced to two wheel ruts through what remains of the bitumen; it is in a low lying section of road and may have been the result of a local flash flood. Piles of rubble have been left in some cases in the middle of the road, and heavy vehicles dislodge more debris as they avoid the obstacles. I doubt if you could chase the passenger service on these sections, even allowing for the trains occasional stops! We weren't aware that sections of the new motorway were trafficable. Most through traffic (buses trucks etc) seems to be traversing the old road. Our Aussie party are now in Reshui, having covered Huanan Coal Railway last week. (See Dennis Rittson's separate report). I'm sitting at what must be the most railfan friendly internet terminal in the world, in the foyer of the Long Quan Hotel. It's currently 1pm (high light), so we're resting for a few hours before the afternoon photography session. These 4am starts tend to take their toll!. I have just been momentarily distracted by the sight of another pair of QJ's working off the Reshui bridge and commencing the eastern assault of the Pass. One advantage of being here in summer is that you can open the windows and listen to the sounds of steam! :-) The weather is rather variable at present, not too hot, but with generally overcast conditions yesterday (including a brief thunderstorm), but fining up today. The haze is an ever present problem, but the air is quite still, and the mornings have been cool enough to produce some impressive steam effects at dawn. (We measured 12C yesterday). The dry conditions and late season crop planting have resulted in somewhat less green expanses than we anticipated, with the western side of the Pass currently the best area. Traffic seems less than we recall from February, but clusters of trains in the early morning/ late afternoon photographic periods have kept us occupied. Loco QJ 7007, which we've sighted a couple of times as trailing engine, is resplendant in fresh paint and looks a treat. We'll post a further update later in the week. Cheers, Paul Hogan ps That uphill train is now on the second level, I just have to swivel in the seat slightly to watch it pass. Life is tough. :-) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2980-1087809943-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 11:25:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5L9PPBD016321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:25:25 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5L9Pi84001773 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:25:44 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2980-1087809943-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 09:25:43 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84759 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 09:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 09:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 09:25:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 09:25:28 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 62.216.15.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:25:24 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 ? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 952 Hello Maciek, I would be interested to hear from you how this frontier crossing works out. From Fuyuan you can probably go first to Hegang to sample your first Chinese steam (SY). You are too late for Shuangyashan - diesel since 2002. The hydrofoil is mentioned in the Lonely Planet Russia guide and in the Lonely Planet Transsib guide. It is said to run every other day - whether odd or even days, I don't know. I think it does not run in winter either, unless they use an ice-breaking hydrofoil. ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2981-1087816135-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 13:08:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5LB8bwX003071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:08:37 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n45.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n45.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.21]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5LB8u84023287 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:08:57 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2981-1087816135-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 11:08:55 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70928 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 11:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 11:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 11:08:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 11:08:07 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 220.145.248.56 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:08:06 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 ? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 953 For your information, There is very good map of Heilongjiang in next URL. http://www.muztagh.com/map-of-china/large-map-heilongjiang.htm rgds, Jun ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2982-1087822894-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 15:01:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5LD1G6Y022068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:01:16 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5LD1Z84011822 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:01:36 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2982-1087822894-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 13:01:34 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10071 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 13:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 13:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp08.web.de) (217.72.192.226) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 13:01:32 -0000 Received: from [134.147.73.197] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.101 #26) id 1BcOP1-0002Rr-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:59:59 +0200 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200406211459.59386.hubbertweb@web.de> Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.226 From: Heinrich Hubbert X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:59:59 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] HULUDAO ZINC SMELTER Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 954 If that HULUDAO is out from Jinzhou on the trunk line to Beijing, we saw a clean SY active in the yard area (northern end) there last friday, when we were sitting in train 2590. Number could not be identified Heinrich Am Sonntag, 6. Juni 2004 07:38 schrieb seabasstry2004: > Hi,All. > I add a report. > I visited HULUDAO ZINC SMELTER on 05/29/2004. > Zinc factory and seaside railway are Dieselized before half a year. > It reclaimed land from the sea. > > T.Ota > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2985-1087837217-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 19:00:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5LH02Gq019726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:00:03 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5LH0L84021344 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:00:22 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2985-1087837217-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 17:00:17 -0000 X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80763 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 17:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 17:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 17:00:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:00:04 -0700 Received: from 24.250.47.75 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:00:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ronaldolsen@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ronaldolsen@hotmail.com To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2004 17:00:04.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[329770B0:01C457B1] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.31.113 From: "Ronald Olsen" X-Originating-IP: [24.250.47.75] X-Yahoo-Profile: ouzhuwang MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:00:03 +0000 Subject: RE: [Steam_in_China] Yima instructions Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 957 At the following website, provided by our Japanese friends and courtesy of Loius Cerny, http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1086535807_1.jpg are instructions on how to get down into the pit at Yima. When you go through the "ghost town" and down the dirt ramp, aim for the switch shack and go nearly straight down for several levels. Resist the temptation to zigzag. I did it three times and found that aiming for the switch was best. Also, if you arrive late in the day and need a place to sleep, there is a place near the station, even though everyone will tell you that there isn't. Standing from the station entrance, go left past a low brick building with 10 doorways, then past a white recessed building. You will then be at the spot depicted on the above site, in the left lower photograph. On the left side of the street, directly left of here, is a ludian run by an extremely kind old Chinese man. About Y15. Across the street is the entrance to get into the pit. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2986-1087841408-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 20:09:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5LI9oPm026599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:09:50 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5LIA984000405 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:10:09 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2986-1087841408-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 18:10:08 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86247 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 18:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 18:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 18:10:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 18:10:02 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2EA151EA.27C7868C.0B504E61@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.74 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 219.116.49.173 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:10:01 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam in China - synoptics for summer 2004 ? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 958 You are welcome! (-: http://www.muztagh.com/map-of-china/index.html Jun > Jun > Thank you for the link to some excellent maps. > Mike LaPlante ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 959 Great maps Jun, when enlarged they are brilliant. Just found Hami which is my next destination later this year, as they have 24 High deflector JS class, so for those that were too late at Tonghua or Heibaoshan here is another chance to see these great looking Loco's in action. Thanks again, John Agnew "downunder". ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2988-1087859737-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jun 22 01:15:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5LNFIZn022567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:15:19 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5LNFc84015694 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:15:39 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2988-1087859737-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2004 23:15:37 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12634 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 23:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 23:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 23:15:36 -0000 Received: from 66-44-3-57.s819.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.57] helo=S0028187519) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BcY0l-0007PG-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c457e5$a85cd540$39032c42@S0028187519> To: References: <200406211459.59386.hubbertweb@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.62 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:15:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] HULUDAO ZINC SMELTER Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 960 Heinrich Hubbert The Huludao Zinc Smelter is on a branch heading southeast from Jinxi (Huludao) to the coast, and is not along the mainline to Beijing, so your sighting is probably yet another steam find in the Jinzhou area. Considering the steam sightings between Nanpiao and Jinzhou, and other other sightings in Jinzhou itself, this area is certainly deserving of a few days of detailed exploration by someone for the benefit of the rest of us. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heinrich Hubbert" To: Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] HULUDAO ZINC SMELTER > If that HULUDAO is out from Jinzhou on the trunk line to Beijing, we saw a > clean SY active in the yard area (northern end) there last friday, when we > were sitting in train 2590. > Number could not be identified > > Heinrich > > Am Sonntag, 6. Juni 2004 07:38 schrieb seabasstry2004: > > Hi,All. > > I add a report. > > I visited HULUDAO ZINC SMELTER on 05/29/2004. > > Zinc factory and seaside railway are Dieselized before half a year. > > It reclaimed land from the sea. > > > > T.Ota > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2989-1087864215-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jun 22 02:29:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5M0TuJ8026284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:29:56 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.75]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5M0UF84023790 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:30:16 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2989-1087864215-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2004 00:30:15 -0000 X-Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55416 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 00:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2004 00:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp08.web.de) (217.72.192.226) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 00:30:13 -0000 Received: from [134.147.117.194] (helo=port-10-0-45-242.dhcp.ewt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.101 #26) id 1BcZAz-00023s-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:30:13 +0200 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 Message-Id: <200406220230.12654.hubbertweb@web.de> Sender: hubbertweb@web.de X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.72.192.226 From: Heinrich Hubbert X-Yahoo-Profile: steamtracker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:30:12 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Now 4 Diesels in Nanpiao? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 961 BJ 3241, BJ 3248 and BJ 3231 I saw last week. Did not see 1013 (unknown class), but I presume it was the unidentified one spotted by Bernd Seiler on his visit earlier the month. So now 4? Diesel duties are mixed entirely with the SY duties and it can even happen that a passenger can run with diesel only in one way and returns with steam. Did not note numbers, but I recall SY 0366, 1017, 1092, 1478 in service at least. Still worth to go there because of the nice scenery. But don`t wait to long. The light-conditions for the passengers are better in this time of the year and the engines make a lot of smoke. Almost all people extremly friendly. If you have time a break, visit the market-hall inside the complex just beside the station next to the hotel. My favourite restaurant again is the one about in the middle of the complex, in the row of shops facing the railway. It is easy to identify: When you step in, on the right wall hangs a big white board with a lot of big black characteres in traditional style - maybe a poem. Good food, inexpensive, nice owners - and they have a big frigde with cold beer! At Shagotun, locals have erected (probably ilegal) guarded barricades to regulate the heavy road traffic. There where many disputes between drivers and the villagers. The laster must have suffered a lot from the heat and the dusty air coming from the dirt road. Police was monitoring but remained passive. The Hotel got some rooms repainted but the bathrooms are still disgusting. Relief is on the way with a new Hotel under construction on the other side of the river but it will be to late once completed. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-2990-1087871932-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jun 22 04:38:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5M2cYNm002501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 04:38:34 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.16]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5M2cr84013855 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 04:38:54 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-2990-1087871932-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2004 02:38:52 -0000 X-Sender: chinatt@eudoramail.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41040 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 02:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2004 02:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO whowhere.com) (209.202.220.219) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 02:38:46 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:38:29 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 159.157.251.43 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.202.220.219 From: "Duncan Peattie" X-Yahoo-Profile: duncanpeattie MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:38:29 0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Railway Timetable Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 962 The new edition of my English language timetable, based on the April 2004 CRPH timetable, is nearly finished and will be ready for distribution by 30 June. If you would like more information about the timetable please contact me directly at . Any timetable information for lines not included in the CRPH timetable is always welcome - I will use anything received this week to improve the timetable's coverage. Duncan Peattie Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3001-1088137764-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jun 25 06:29:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5P4T1Dr015778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:29:01 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.107]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5P4TP84015291 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:29:26 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3001-1088137764-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2004 04:29:24 -0000 X-Sender: seabasstry2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87152 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2004 04:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2004 04:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 04:29:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2004 04:28:05 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "seabasstry2004" X-Originating-IP: 219.207.40.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: seabasstry2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:28:04 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Thank you, all. Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 974 Thank you, all. Thank you very much mails and the reply in this site. When the talk of a Harz railways is heard, want to go early. But however, first of all, let's enjoy a Chinese steam locomotive. I introduce Weihe visited in March, last year. I like a photograph and also like steam locomotive sound,too. Recording is also carried out. This is C2 in Weihe, and the MP3 sound of No. 54. http://www45.tok2.com/home/penta/oto/weihe-demo-web.mp3 Recording microphone was attached in the front of an engine. And I was on the rearmost conductor-car at this time. http://www45.tok2.com/home/penta/img/1227.jpg It is the recollections of a trip my friend-Mr.Jun and me. And it was my first China travel. T.Ota ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3002-1088174080-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jun 25 16:34:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5PEYHBN011489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:34:17 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5PEYf84003368 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:34:41 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3002-1088174080-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2004 14:34:40 -0000 X-Sender: johnmday@telus.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24158 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2004 14:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2004 14:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 14:34:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2004 14:34:23 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "John Day" X-Originating-IP: 154.20.121.167 X-Yahoo-Profile: trolleyjolly MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:34:23 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Query re: QJ's built in 1985 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 975 Posted on behalf of a friend: My name is David Layland and I live in Vancouver Canada. I just got back from China and came home with a 1985 builder's plate from a QJ. I understand there were 214 QJ's built in 1985, is there a list of which engine numbers were built in 1985 that ended up on the Jitong Railway so that I might narrow it down to what possible engines this plate may have come off? Thanks for any help. Sincerely, David Layland ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3010-1088365762-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jun 27 21:48:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5RJmuM6004248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:48:56 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n43.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n43.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.18]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5RJnN84007838 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:49:24 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3010-1088365762-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2004 19:49:22 -0000 X-Sender: drathbu1@rochester.rr.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71244 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2004 19:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2004 19:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2004 19:49:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2004 19:48:05 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.93 From: "Darrel Rathbun" X-Originating-IP: 66.66.156.32 X-Yahoo-Profile: shawmutkid MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:48:05 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam Action near Dongguan ??? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 983 I will be traveling on business to Dongguan, China, in the Guangdong Province, the last week in July 2004. I would like to be able to stay an extra day or two and photograph Steam Locomotives in action. I prefer to hire a trustworthy Guide that could get me to some steam railroad activity within a few hour ride of Dongguan. I don't require "mainline" steam but that would obviously be nice. Narrow guage or industrial lines are fine by me. What are my options? Thanks in advance for any info. Cheers, Darrel Rathbun ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3013-1088424482-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 14:07:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5SC7ZZ9004832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:07:35 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5SC8284016400 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:08:03 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3013-1088424482-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2004 12:08:02 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58586 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 12:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 12:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-07.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 12:07:57 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-026-137.arcor-ip.net [212.144.26.137]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 83A0BFB489 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:07:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008d01c45d08$bd4d7c70$891a90d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.47 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:52:00 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] New steam location near Napiao Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 986 Recently there was a short discussion about a new observation near Nanpiao. Now I got an answer from Mr. Zhang: "Our latest information for this area is: Between Nanpiao/Jinzhou, there is a place called Taiji Tun, there is a factory called 701 Works - repair works for steam locomotives! But now very few work to do! I guess that the photos taken by Phil Wormald were the locos coming or going to 701 Works!" It seems we missed this repair shop before. But where the overhauled JS went to? Huludao had no fresh overhauled one in May 2004. Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-138-47 86 66 85 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3016-1088425577-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 14:25:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5SCPpxm008072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:25:52 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5SCQI84020442 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:26:19 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3016-1088425577-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2004 12:26:18 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15108 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 12:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 12:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr54.hinet.net) (168.95.4.154) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 12:26:14 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-90-235.dynamic.hinet.net [61.226.90.235]) by msr54.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17502 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:26:10 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <005901c45d0c$211791c0$be5ae23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.154 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:32:20 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Significant New Steam Line Discovered Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 989 Hullo all, It pleases me to see that this line near Lanzhou has now been "discovered" and that is still steam. Several years ago while visiting the Jilantai line we had a delightful young student lady guide from the university at Yinchuan who actually came from a town along this line. She explained that it was steam, that it had several mixed trains per day and that she always used these to travel to and from Lanzhou and other destinations. It was on my list for researching but I thought it could be CNR and would thus have been dieselised by now. The ownership of the line may still be a mystery. It does not seem to feature on lists of public Local Railways and is probably associated with the large dam at the end of the line. In addition to this line and the coal mine system at Hami folks should also check out the 'desert' line at Jinchang on which SYs have been seen as well as the big steelworks at Jiayuguan (which was all steam, mainly SY, when I visited around 10 years ago) and the steelworks or similar large plant which I think exists at Jiuquan just 20km east of Jiayuguan. Another area that may be worth exploring is that around Tianshui between Lanzhou and Baoji where there is a major loco depot with what appears to be an industrial steam overhaul facility. The Chinese enthusiast websites have on several occasions recently shown several JSs here some clearly being worked on. Here's hoping that a whole western China steam 'trail' could evolve pretty soon without the headaches that this interesting area presented in the past! Cheers, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "notenfrog" To: Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:20 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Significant New Steam Line Discovered > Hello all, > > Another steam line has been discovered by our Japanese railfan > friends! If my translations and understanding are correct, the > Liujia-Xiaochuan line (Quail Map 8, line 41B) is steam operated, > using JS 8022, 8183, 8223, and 8226, plus 3 SY including 0862. The > line appears to be about 40km long. > > This line joins the CNR about 34km west of Lanzhou, which is 633km > by rail west of Xian. > > Info is at the Japanese "Steam in China" message board at: > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ > > A nice map of the line is included. > > A visit here could fit in with a trip to see the Sandoaling Coal > line near Hami, with its 23 JS plus 2 SY. > > Special thanks to the discoverer of this line. It would be > appreciated if someone more skilled than I could help translate the > information into English and correct any errors I might have made. > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3021-1088598923-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jun 30 14:34:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5UCYsfR027870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:34:55 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5UCZO84011951 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:35:25 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3021-1088598923-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2004 12:35:23 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9500 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 12:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 12:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-06.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 12:35:16 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-026-252.arcor-ip.net [212.144.26.252]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FB87105F30 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:33:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005f01c45e9e$bebc9450$911a90d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.46 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:35:03 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Last call for Tongchuan Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 994 Hello! Tongchuan will end the steam service (with JF) in December 2004. So if you haven't seen Tongchuan before, go there now or never. Although there are only a very few steam hauled trains it's well worth tho visit this site. Bernd (PS: I put a new gallery about Jitong on my internet site) Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3022-1088630001-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jun 30 23:12:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5ULCugH024655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:12:56 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5ULDO84025643 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:13:26 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3022-1088630001-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2004 21:13:24 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33214 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 21:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2004 21:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-05.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-066-081.arcor-ip.net [145.254.66.81]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6971EAD4173 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:13:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00bf01c45ee7$558e4520$5142fe91@farrail> To: References: <005f01c45e9e$bebc9450$911a90d4@farrail> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.45 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:17:05 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Narrow Gauge lines near Jinzhou Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 995 On our recent trip to Nanpiao and Huludao we found an unreported narrow gauge line (probably 760 mm) near Jinzhou (Liaoning province, near the well known Nanpiao) The line starts near Shuangyang(dian) and heads direct to the coast. We didn't find time to explore it. However, the track was definitely in use. As I checked my maps (only one shows this line) I fond another short narrow gauge line some kilometres south near Tashan. This line also goes to the sea. Has anyone more information about these two lines? Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3024-1088694405-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jul 1 17:06:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i61F6e26014900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:06:40 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.16]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i61F7B84024453 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:07:12 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3024-1088694405-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2004 15:06:45 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53752 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 15:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2004 15:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 15:06:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 30894 invoked by uid 65534); 1 Jul 2004 15:06:23 -0000 Received: from brln-d9b82127.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO globesteam) (217.184.33.39) by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 01 Jul 2004 17:06:23 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20625052 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <40E44492.9839.2094122@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1084693695.620.35070.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.165.64.20 From: "Peter Patt" X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:06:26 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] JiTong and Xunhua news Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 997 Dear All, just a few information from my 3 weeks-stay in China - and no loco-numbers at all... JiTong: JiTong has decided to officially request 10 DF4 from the Shenyang railway bureau, these locomotives are currently gathered at Tongliao shed and will be put into service as soon as the diesel-facilities at Daban are ready. Currently there is not even a plan where/what to build so it will take a while until we will see more diesels on the line. The section Zhelimu-Chabuga is effectively under CNR operational control, therefore all cabooses have to be detached from east-bound trains (and added onto trains running westbound) at Chabuga. Deflectorless 6389 (oh no, a number!) does the shunting job. Baiqi depot is busy cutting up the long lines of scrapped engines: the job has been outsourced and 5 engines were cut up in 1 week only! By the time this mail is written, more than half of the dumped engines will be gone already. On the section to Haolokou, trains are dominantly steam hauled, on 4 days of linesiding in this section we saw only 1 diesel hauled freight train. The passenger is still steam hauled. JiTong tries to sell the boilers of the cut up engines: 800.000 Yuan per boiler is a pretty good value. If you bargaining, you can also buy a QJ in operating condition for just 1.000.000 Yuan (shipment free to any Chinese harbour). A steam fan from the US has bought an engine already - let's see, whether the insurance like the idea of running the QJ on US tracks ... Talking about passenger trains: patronage on the K503/504 DMU has improved and JiTong is happy with the booking numbers - while the service of the local stopping train 6057/6058 is endangered to be finished by the end of the year, (due to unsatisfactory booking levels). If you visit JiTong in summer, be aware of the short but heavy rainfalls during thunderstorms. On 2 days we experienced half an hour of intense rainfall - and didn't think about the consequences: just 15 minutes later, the river along the railway line was filled with water and muddy floods rushed down the river, making any passage impossible. Additionally, the flooding destroyed numerous sections close of the line close to Daban and all traffic had to be halted for 12 hours - which forced the passenger train to run during daylight on the sections normally served at night... Xunhua: the steelwork was visited with both groups. Steam will be abandoned latest in 2007. The YJ engine stored there (YJ0269) was apparently sold to a British fan who wants to take it to Sunjiatun and later export this engine to the UK. Happy dreaming/steaming. Greetings, Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3028-1088730806-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 03:12:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i621CvD3028840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:12:57 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i621DR84012605 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:13:29 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3028-1088730806-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 01:13:26 -0000 X-Sender: seabasstry2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92596 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 01:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 01:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 01:13:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 01:13:14 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.87 From: "seabasstry2004" X-Originating-IP: 219.207.40.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: seabasstry2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:12:43 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1001 Hi,Louis Cerny and all. That picture is Chinese railfan's. He said, it is Pubai coal railway. Pubai coal railway is from Pucheng to Baishui. Depot is on Hanjing. He looked at QJ7021,6429,6871,6928,7291,and 64?9. This railway is near Tongchuan. About 100km? I think that,Pubai coal railway has good location. I want go,too. T.Ota ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3029-1088734189-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 04:09:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6229ICG001419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:09:19 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.38]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6229o84023953 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:09:51 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3029-1088734189-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 02:09:50 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86282 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 02:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 02:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 02:09:48 -0000 Received: from 66-44-0-118.s118.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.118] helo=S0028187519) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BgDUp-0002WX-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:09:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c45fd9$ab072290$76002c42@S0028187519> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.172.4.62 From: "Cerny" X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:09:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1002 T. Ota Thanks so much for the information. After looking at my Quail Map, page 8, I see that Pucheng is about in the middle of the extreme right (eastern) edge of the map, and that Baishui (which is labled as Beishui on the Quail Map) is north of Pucheng. The bridge and rugged terrain in the picture sure make this Pubai Coal Railway look like an interesting one. I had never before seen a picture from this line, but information in my records shows it also has QJ 6429, 6449, 6871, and 7021. My understanding is that there is another recently discovered line (Changchen Coal Railway?) using 4 QJ that runs northeast out of Podicum, which is 36 km north of Pucheng on the line to Yanan, but I have never seen a picture of it. Podicum is shown on the exteme western edge of page 7 of the Quail Map. Louis Cerny ----- Original Message ----- From: "seabasstry2004" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge > Hi,Louis Cerny and all. > > That picture is Chinese railfan's. > He said, it is Pubai coal railway. > Pubai coal railway is from Pucheng to Baishui. > Depot is on Hanjing. > He looked at QJ7021,6429,6871,6928,7291,and 64?9. > > This railway is near Tongchuan. > About 100km? > > I think that,Pubai coal railway has good location. > I want go,too. > > T.Ota ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3030-1088753120-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 09:24:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i627Onw4026111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:24:50 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i627PL84032629 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:25:22 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3030-1088753120-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 07:25:21 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44371 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 07:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 07:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 07:25:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 07:25:17 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c45fd9$ab072290$76002c42@S0028187519> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 82.46.164.12 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:25:17 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1003 Hello everyone, This line has already been featured on this group. Full credit to Bruce Evans for its recent discovery. For more information see messages 2947 to 2950 - subject Tongchuan to Pucheng. Best regards, Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Cerny" wrote: > T. Ota > > Thanks so much for the information. After looking at my Quail Map, page 8, > I see that Pucheng is about in the middle of the extreme right (eastern) > edge of the map, and that Baishui (which is labled as Beishui on the Quail > Map) is north of Pucheng. The bridge and rugged terrain in the picture sure > make this Pubai Coal Railway look like an interesting one. I had never > before seen a picture from this line, but information in my records shows it > also has QJ 6429, 6449, 6871, and 7021. > > My understanding is that there is another recently discovered line > (Changchen Coal Railway?) using 4 QJ that runs northeast out of Podicum, > which is 36 km north of Pucheng on the line to Yanan, but I have never seen > a picture of it. Podicum is shown on the exteme western edge of page 7 of > the Quail Map. > > Louis Cerny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "seabasstry2004" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:12 PM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge > > > > Hi,Louis Cerny and all. > > > > That picture is Chinese railfan's. > > He said, it is Pubai coal railway. > > Pubai coal railway is from Pucheng to Baishui. > > Depot is on Hanjing. > > He looked at QJ7021,6429,6871,6928,7291,and 64?9. > > > > This railway is near Tongchuan. > > About 100km? > > > > I think that,Pubai coal railway has good location. > > I want go,too. > > > > T.Ota ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3031-1088753593-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 09:32:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i627Wh3q027252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:32:43 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i627XF84001562 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:33:16 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3031-1088753593-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 07:33:14 -0000 X-Sender: DavidHuntbatch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98997 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 07:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 07:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 07:33:12 -0000 Received: from DavidHuntbatch@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.1e.2d6ff571 (4246) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e.2d6ff571.2e1669ad@aol.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.137.4 From: DavidHuntbatch@AOL.com X-Yahoo-Profile: david_huntbatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:33:01 EDT Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1004 I thought the highest number QJ made was 7207. How do we explain QJ7291? David Huntbatch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3032-1088759846-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 11:16:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i629Gtl7013197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:16:55 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i629HR84022432 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:17:28 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3032-1088759846-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 09:17:26 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54774 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 09:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 09:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.187) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 09:17:24 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgKAd-0002tt-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:17:23 +0200 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=qj-country.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgKAd-00047T-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:17:23 +0200 Message-ID: <40E52822.88E5802E@qj-country.de> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com References: <1e.2d6ff571.2e1669ad@aol.com> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.187 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:17:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1005 Dear all, please just read Bruce`s excellent report! Everything explained there. http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~menius/trains/china372.htm Florian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3033-1088771911-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 14:38:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62Cc09Y003019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:38:00 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i62CcW84023973 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:38:33 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3033-1088771911-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 12:38:31 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48198 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 12:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 12:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 12:38:28 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id I085S200.4PR for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:38:26 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <167197167f5c.167f5c167197@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:38:26 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1006 I join with Louis to say thanks also. Looking at the one pic it certainly gives a nice side of China's other terrain that is not desert (even on the hills). What a shame to read that Tongchuan will finish its JF operations this coming December, the only surprise to me is that it has lasted this long after visiting there last November, even with the smog it was still a beautiful area up in the hills. Would have been nice if these two new lines were known then. Even now for those able to visit the area before December these new lines will give an opportunity to see some good working in what doe seem to be a picturest area. Colin Hussey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cerny" Date: Friday, July 2, 2004 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge > > > > > T. Ota > > > > Thanks so much for the information. After looking at my Quail > Map, page 8, > > I see that Pucheng is about in the middle of the extreme right > (eastern) > edge of the map, and that Baishui (which is labled as Beishui on > the Quail > > Map) is north of Pucheng. The bridge and rugged terrain in the > picture sure > > make this Pubai Coal Railway look like an interesting one. I had > never > before seen a picture from this line, but information in my > records shows it > > also has QJ 6429, 6449, 6871, and 7021. > > > > My understanding is that there is another recently discovered line > > (Changchen Coal Railway?) using 4 QJ that runs northeast out of > Podicum, > which is 36 km north of Pucheng on the line to Yanan, but I have > never seen > > a picture of it. Podicum is shown on the exteme western edge of > page 7 of > > the Quail Map. > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "seabasstry2004" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:12 PM > > Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge > > > > > > > Hi,Louis Cerny and all. > > > > > > That picture is Chinese railfan's. > > > He said, it is Pubai coal railway. > > > Pubai coal railway is from Pucheng to Baishui. > > > Depot is on Hanjing. > > > He looked at QJ7021,6429,6871,6928,7291,and 64?9. > > > > > > This railway is near Tongchuan. > > > About 100km? > > > > > > I think that,Pubai coal railway has good location. > > > I want go,too. > > > > > > T.Ota > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3034-1088776451-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 15:54:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62Dsmdr019317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:54:48 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i62DtH84004154 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:55:20 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3034-1088776451-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 13:54:11 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66143 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 13:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 13:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 13:54:09 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.205.181]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040702135417.UPLA9422.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:54:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <167197167f5c.167f5c167197@goconnect.net> References: <167197167f5c.167f5c167197@goconnect.net> Message-Id: <49A60E68-CC2F-11D8-B562-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.46 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:54:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1007 What isn't entirely clear is which of the experimental locos became QJ 7291, the Wardale prototype QJ 8001 or the Chinese designed QJ2 0001. What happened to the other loco? Most of the former exhibits from Datong have found their way to the Beijing museum. Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3035-1088778327-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 16:24:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62EOujH022749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:24:56 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.82]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i62EPS84008944 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:25:29 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3035-1088778327-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 14:25:27 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16236 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 14:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 14:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 14:25:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 14:25:23 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 64.80.98.165 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:25:23 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1008 Hello all, Thanks to Roy Bowden for giving Bruce Evans his well-deserved credit for the discovery of these lines, and thanks to Florian for directing us to Bruce's original reports. I should have mentioned Bruce's name as the source of these pieces of information in my files. Mr. Ota, of course, is to be congratulated for completing the connection with the Chinese railfan community so we all could see this photo of the line. Louis Cerny contact --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Bowden" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > This line has already been featured on this group. Full credit to > Bruce Evans for its recent discovery. > > For more information see messages 2947 to 2950 - subject Tongchuan to > Pucheng. > > Best regards, > > Roy. > > --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Cerny" wrote: > > T. Ota > > > > Thanks so much for the information. After looking at my Quail Map, > page 8, > > I see that Pucheng is about in the middle of the extreme right > (eastern) > > edge of the map, and that Baishui (which is labled as Beishui on > the Quail > > Map) is north of Pucheng. The bridge and rugged terrain in the > picture sure > > make this Pubai Coal Railway look like an interesting one. I had > never > > before seen a picture from this line, but information in my records > shows it > > also has QJ 6429, 6449, 6871, and 7021. > > > > My understanding is that there is another recently discovered line > > (Changchen Coal Railway?) using 4 QJ that runs northeast out of > Podicum, > > which is 36 km north of Pucheng on the line to Yanan, but I have > never seen > > a picture of it. Podicum is shown on the exteme western edge of > page 7 of > > the Quail Map. > > > > Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3036-1088789284-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 19:27:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62HRW0p009659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:27:32 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i62HS584001171 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:28:06 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3036-1088789284-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 17:28:04 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37701 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 17:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 17:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 17:28:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 17:27:54 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49A60E68-CC2F-11D8-B562-000A957A94E8@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.69 From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 82.46.164.12 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:27:53 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1009 Duncan and everyone, It is my understanding that QJ 8001 is preserved and still in the former museum section at Datong works. It was photographed there within the last few months. I have therefore assumed that QJ 7291 is the "back to basics" QJ2 0001. I will try to check this out a bit more, and come back to you. . Best regards, Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Duncan Cotterill wrote: > What isn't entirely clear is which of the experimental locos became QJ > 7291, the Wardale prototype QJ 8001 or the Chinese designed QJ2 0001. > > What happened to the other loco? Most of the former exhibits from > Datong have found their way to the Beijing museum. > > Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3037-1088790969-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 19:55:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62HtcFH011957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:55:38 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i62HuA84005194 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:56:11 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3037-1088790969-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 17:56:09 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92550 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 17:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 17:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-05.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 17:56:06 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-009-166.arcor-ip.net [212.144.9.166]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82034AD8A93 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:56:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007101c4605e$1dbca0b0$5543fe91@farrail> To: References: <167197167f5c.167f5c167197@goconnect.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.45 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:57:28 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Tongchuan will survive until January 2005! Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1010 New information about Tongchuan: They'll keep 2/3 JF in service until January 2005 (no exact date known). This is due to the delivery date of the ordered diesels (at least two are ordered). So we have another month a chance to go there. I saw some requests for the location of the lines in Sha'anxi. I included two maps in the tour description for my winter tour. If you're interested in the maps, which are showing the lines, please take a look at the following links: German: Hami (Sandaoling): http://www.farrail.net/seiten/touren/china_winter-2005.html#hami-map Tongchuan: http://www.farrail.net/seiten/touren/china_winter-2005.html#tongchuan English: Hami (Sandaoling): http://www.farrail.net/pages/touren-engl/china_winter-2005-engl.html#hami-map Tongchuan: http://www.farrail.net/pages/touren-engl/china_winter-2005-engl.html#tongchuan Have a nice weekend, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: cdhussey@goconnect.net To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Re: QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge I join with Louis to say thanks also. Looking at the one pic it certainly gives a nice side of China's other terrain that is not desert (even on the hills). What a shame to read that Tongchuan will finish its JF operations this coming December, the only surprise to me is that it has lasted this long after visiting there last November, even with the smog it was still a beautiful area up in the hills. Would have been nice if these two new lines were known then. Even now for those able to visit the area before December these new lines will give an opportunity to see some good working in what doe seem to be a picturest area. Colin Hussey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3038-1088792131-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 20:15:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62IF02c013454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:15:00 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.108]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i62IFW84008793 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:15:33 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3038-1088792131-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 18:15:32 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90973 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 18:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 18:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 18:15:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 18:14:25 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.88 From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 82.46.164.12 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:14:24 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] QJ 7291 Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1011 Hello everyone, Further to my previous posting (and a bit quicker than I expected), this seems to be the situation with regard to the former Datong experimental QJs. QJ 7036 (formerly fitted with GPCS system) converted from and to standard QJ. Last reported on the Daba to Guyaozi system and probably still intact and maybe still in service. QJ 8001 confirmed as having been sent to the Datong museum. It would seem possible that it may follow some of the other locos to the Beijing museum, unless Datong now has an affection for it that it didn't seem to have at the time! QJ2 0001 confirmed by David Wardale in his excellent book "The Red Devil and Other Tales from the Age of Steam" as having been rebuilt to standard form and sold to an industrial railway in 1992. This must therefore be QJ 7291 (if there is ever such a thing as must in China). QJ 7291's present day crews must be glad that it is now a standard QJ: in its previous incarnation their Datong predecessors seem to have had a good day if they got home alive! In any event it looks as if it is still possible to see all three of these locos, and vicariously participate in a little bit of history. I hope this helps. Best regards, Roy. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3039-1088793675-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 20:40:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62IehkZ015332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:40:43 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i62IfG84013386 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:41:17 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3039-1088793675-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 18:41:15 -0000 X-Sender: intlgen@railography.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19517 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 18:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 18:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.173) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 18:41:14 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgSyI-0007K1-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:41:14 +0200 Received: from [80.6.205.181] (helo=[192.168.0.152]) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgSyH-0001tY-00 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:41:13 +0200 Message-Id: <652173D4-CC57-11D8-B562-000A957A94E8@railography.co.uk> To: Steam_In_China ~ X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:d28314616e2ef86e99cba69be2e55306 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.173 From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:41:13 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Chinese Steam Locomotive Database Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1012 I've been working on a database of Chinese steam locos for the past couple of months, collating details of which locos have been reported where and when. The result is a file of over 20000 sightings of more than 4000 locos of an amazing 50 classes. This data will take a lot of sorting before it can all be presented but I've made a start by publishing profiles of PL2 and SY classes on my website. Each profile consists of a short history and technical details of the class and a list detailing where and when each loco has been seen. More classes will be added as and when I process the data. The new pages are in the "Gricer's Guide" part of the site, Click on the "Class by Class" link. http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts/ggcr/ggcrindex.htm Many of you will have contributed already by submitting reports to Rob's and Florian's websites, CRJ and WS but I'm always looking for more information if it can add to the body of knowledge. Enjoy, Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3040-1088795595-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 21:12:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62JCh7Y017750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:12:44 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i62JDG84017815 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:13:17 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3040-1088795595-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2004 19:13:15 -0000 X-Sender: dunc.c@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81779 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 19:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 19:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta09-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 19:13:14 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([80.6.205.181]) by mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040702191309.VYUS12270.mta09-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.152]> for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:13:09 +0100 Message-Id: To: Steam_In_China ~ X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.253.162.49 X-eGroups-From: Duncan Cotterill From: Duncan Cotterill X-Yahoo-Profile: railographer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:12:27 +0100 Subject: [Steam_in_China] PL2 Class - Help Required Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1013 If you've read my new PL2 page, you'll know that the origin of several of these locos isn't entirely clear. http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts/ggcr/classes/pl2.htm I'm looking for additional information on this class as follows : Ian Jamieson's March 2003 report shows stored PL2 50 at Benxi with a builder's plate visible. Does anyone have the details from the plate, or a photograph of it? http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/trains/china203.htm If anyone has photos of PL2s (except 49, 50, 230,244,248) can they check the following please: 1) Does the loco have separate dome and sandbox (as PL2 49) or a combined dome and sandbox (as PL2 234)? 2) Do the handrails extend beyond the front of the smokebox (as PL2 49) or stop short (as PL2 234)? 3) Is there a builders plate visible and does it look like that on PL2 49? 4) Obviously, I'll need the loco number as well. Does anyone have more information on PL2 215, 236 and 237 reported at Taiyuan Steelworks in March 1996 (CRJ 107)? Thank you for your assistance, Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3042-1088844375-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jul 3 10:45:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i638jhUc005418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:45:43 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.16]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i638kG84001716 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:46:17 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3042-1088844375-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 08:46:15 -0000 X-Sender: mr@lapsurgeon.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 986 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 08:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 08:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.aaisp.net.uk) (217.169.20.17) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 08:46:14 -0000 Received: from [81.187.65.17] (helo=DADGIST) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BggA1-0001I5-Rj for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:46:13 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c460da$32ae7e90$0202a8c0@DADGIST> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 217.169.20.17 From: "Michael Rhodes" X-Yahoo-Profile: nobleman10582000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:46:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] PL2 Class - Help Required Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1015 Duncan - I have a loco portrait type pic of what I have recorded as PLz50 at Benxi in March 2002. I don't think there is a visible builders plate in the pic - indeed I'm not sure it had a builders plate on at all if I remember correctly. If the pic is of any use I'll happily scan it for you. Michael Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Cotterill" To: "Steam_In_China ~" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] PL2 Class - Help Required > If you've read my new PL2 page, you'll know that the origin of several > of these locos isn't entirely clear. > > http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts/ggcr/classes/pl2.htm > > I'm looking for additional information on this class as follows : > > Ian Jamieson's March 2003 report shows stored PL2 50 at Benxi with a > builder's plate visible. Does anyone have the details from the plate, > or a photograph of it? > > http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/trains/china203.htm > > If anyone has photos of PL2s (except 49, 50, 230,244,248) can they > check the following please: > > 1) Does the loco have separate dome and sandbox (as PL2 49) or a > combined dome and sandbox (as PL2 234)? > 2) Do the handrails extend beyond the front of the smokebox (as PL2 49) > or stop short (as PL2 234)? > 3) Is there a builders plate visible and does it look like that on PL2 > 49? > 4) Obviously, I'll need the loco number as well. > > Does anyone have more information on PL2 215, 236 and 237 reported at > Taiyuan Steelworks in March 1996 (CRJ 107)? > > Thank you for your assistance, > > Duncan > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3043-1088845215-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jul 3 10:59:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i638xga7006252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:59:42 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.80]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6390G84003538 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:00:16 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3043-1088845215-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 09:00:15 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67188 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 09:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 09:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr21.hinet.net) (168.95.4.121) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 09:00:13 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-90-93.dynamic.hinet.net [61.226.90.93]) by msr21.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17603 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:00:04 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <007701c460dd$2c746140$a95ae23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.121 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:07:23 +0800 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1016 Hi Louis, I can see you're an optimist! Actually the photo does not show a banker but the train engine, tender-first, on a loaded coal train heading towards Hanjing. It has just come out of the tunnel between Hanjing and Baishui. Another comment on the line in response to another message. The station on the coal mine railway in Pucheng has semaphore signals but I think these are possibly no longer being used. From a very brief visit the station appeared to be abandoned so may only see workings on a through line. I think Pucheng mine railway station is the only one with semaphore signals on the line. The history of this line would probably be quite interesting as some maps show it as a Local Railway. The whole line from Tongchuan to Pucheng may have been a single public Local Railway at some stage in the past and the station at Pucheng may have had a more important role at that time. The Pubai line is pleasant but as with many of these coal mine lines is not that busy. The area suffers from similar pollution to what folks have encountered at Tongchuan and over one section between Pucheng and Hanjing the pollution is worse thanks to the presence of cement works or similar plants. Patience and time would be important. The line is pretty steep all the way from Pucheng CNR/JV station to Hanjing and I think in winter there would be good phots to be had of empty trains being worked up to Pucheng mine railway station, as well as on the big curves closer to Hanjing. From my visit and from some of the phots on the web the locos also appear to clag pretty well on these sections when the weather is warmer. Cheers, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "notenfrog" To: Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 6:40 AM Subject: [Steam_in_China] QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge > Hello All, > > At the web address below is a photo of QJ 7291 as a banker (or rear > helper) on a coal or ore train shoving over a high bridge at a > location I do not recognize. Some help from our Japanese associates > would be appreciated. Where is this, and what is the story behind > the number 7291? > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1088592380_2.jpg > > Thanks in advance for any help, > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3044-1088854985-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jul 3 13:42:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i63Bga3P017364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:42:36 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i63Bh984024971 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:43:10 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3044-1088854985-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 11:43:08 -0000 X-Sender: RoyBowden@spdvp.co.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27900 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 11:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 11:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 11:43:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 11:42:50 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "Roy Bowden" X-Originating-IP: 82.46.164.12 X-Yahoo-Profile: jubilee732uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:42:49 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: PL2 Class - Help Required Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1017 Duncan, I have some digital video footage of PL2 50 at Benxi, including a close up shot of the builder's plate. I can send you a "still" of this if you think it might be helpful. Unfortunately it has been painted over so often as to be virtually illegible. However all the characters seem to be reasonably intact so you might just be able to make something of it. Depot staff say it is of 1930s Japanese origin. Just to make things a bit more difficult, I think it is possible that the number PL2 50 is part of a local numbering sequence (49 to 57 approx) in the same way that the Benxi SYs are renumbered today, so I suspect that the number may not be a reliable indicator of the batch it comes from. This might also account for some detail variations in numerically consecutive locos. I will sort out the "still" and E-mail it to you as soon as possible. Thanks for the fantastic website. All the best, Roy. --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Duncan Cotterill wrote: > If you've read my new PL2 page, you'll know that the origin of several > of these locos isn't entirely clear. > > http://www.railography.co.uk/tractive-efforts/ggcr/classes/pl2.htm > > I'm looking for additional information on this class as follows : > > Ian Jamieson's March 2003 report shows stored PL2 50 at Benxi with a > builder's plate visible. Does anyone have the details from the plate, > or a photograph of it? > > http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/trains/china203.htm > > If anyone has photos of PL2s (except 49, 50, 230,244,248) can they > check the following please: > > 1) Does the loco have separate dome and sandbox (as PL2 49) or a > combined dome and sandbox (as PL2 234)? > 2) Do the handrails extend beyond the front of the smokebox (as PL2 49) > or stop short (as PL2 234)? > 3) Is there a builders plate visible and does it look like that on PL2 > 49? > 4) Obviously, I'll need the loco number as well. > > Does anyone have more information on PL2 215, 236 and 237 reported at > Taiyuan Steelworks in March 1996 (CRJ 107)? > > Thank you for your assistance, > > Duncan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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I need all the help I can get in trying to pass on information originating in languages other than English. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "BruceEvans" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge > Hi Louis, > > I can see you're an optimist! Actually the photo does not show a banker but > the train engine, tender-first, on a loaded coal train heading towards > Hanjing. It has just come out of the tunnel between Hanjing and Baishui. > > Another comment on the line in response to another message. The station on > the coal mine railway in Pucheng has semaphore signals but I think these are > possibly no longer being used. From a very brief visit the station appeared > to be abandoned so may only see workings on a through line. > > I think Pucheng mine railway station is the only one with semaphore signals > on the line. The history of this line would probably be quite interesting as > some maps show it as a Local Railway. The whole line from Tongchuan to > Pucheng may have been a single public Local Railway at some stage in the > past and the station at Pucheng may have had a more important role at that > time. > > The Pubai line is pleasant but as with many of these coal mine lines is not > that busy. The area suffers from similar pollution to what folks have > encountered at Tongchuan and over one section between Pucheng and Hanjing > the pollution is worse thanks to the presence of cement works or similar > plants. Patience and time would be important. > > The line is pretty steep all the way from Pucheng CNR/JV station to Hanjing > and I think in winter there would be good phots to be had of empty trains > being worked up to Pucheng mine railway station, as well as on the big > curves closer to Hanjing. From my visit and from some of the phots on the > web the locos also appear to clag pretty well on these sections when the > weather is warmer. > > Cheers, > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "notenfrog" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 6:40 AM > Subject: [Steam_in_China] QJ7291 Banking Train on High Bridge > > > > Hello All, > > > > At the web address below is a photo of QJ 7291 as a banker (or rear > > helper) on a coal or ore train shoving over a high bridge at a > > location I do not recognize. Some help from our Japanese associates > > would be appreciated. Where is this, and what is the story behind > > the number 7291? > > > > http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1088592380_2.jpg > > > > Thanks in advance for any help, > > > > Louis Cerny > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3048-1088879722-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jul 3 20:34:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i63IYnoV016308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:34:49 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i63IZN84020240 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:35:24 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3048-1088879722-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 18:35:22 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48368 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2004 18:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2004 18:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2004 18:35:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2004 18:35:12 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.106 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.3.194 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 18:35:12 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shaoxing-Lizhu Iron Ore Railway, Shaoxing Steelworks Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1021 Hello All, The Japanese "Steam in China" website http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/1969/ has now posted pictures and a map on their Message Board of the Shoaxing-Lizhu Iron Ore Railway, which uses SY 1447, 1536, and 1570. Shaoxing is south across the bay from Shanghai, on the extreme north of Quail Map page 10 on the east side. My records show that this line was reported on the internet in April, but I didn't note the name of the discoverer. The report also mentions the Shaoxing Steelworks using SY 0826. Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3049-1088904369-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jul 4 03:25:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i641PZvJ008731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 03:25:35 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.104]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i641QA84030393 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 03:26:10 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3049-1088904369-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2004 01:26:09 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@goconnect.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51747 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2004 01:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2004 01:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melpop01.goconnect.net) (210.50.199.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2004 01:26:05 -0000 Received: from goconnect.net ([127.0.0.1]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 melpop01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id I0AZZE00.8ZY for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:26:02 +1000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1657be1688ce.1688ce1657be@goconnect.net> X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 210.50.199.20 From: X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:26:02 +1000 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] dvd of jingpeng steam Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1022 Reinhard I would be interested as well, once I get my tapes onto DVD Colin Hussey ________________________________________________________ GoConnect Internet Access - $13.95* for 30 hrs per month Unlimited Downloads Be part of the advance force - JOIN NOW! http://www.goconnect.com.au *Terms and Conditions Apply. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3050-1088954637-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jul 4 17:23:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i64FNO3V025303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:23:25 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i64FNw84010682 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:24:00 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3050-1088954637-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2004 15:23:58 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88418 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2004 15:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2004 15:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2004 15:23:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2004 15:23:55 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.4.231 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:23:55 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Map of Pubai Coal Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1023 Hello all, A very detailed map of the Pubai Coal Railway (discovered by Bruce Evans)is at http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/img/1088918672_1.jpg This should be a big help to anyone trying to photograph this QJ- powered line with its high bridge. As most of you probably figured out, the address for the Japanese "Steam in China" website in my last e-mail was in error. The Shaoxing article is already several items down the list on the message board, which is (hopefully no typos this time): http://www2.ezbbs.net/20/qj1969/ Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3053-1089087436-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 06:16:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i664GfQ1006759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:16:41 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i664HH84003780 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:17:19 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3053-1089087436-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 04:17:16 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62505 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 04:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 04:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 04:17:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 04:17:05 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 219.116.48.40 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:17:05 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Tongchuan 2-6-2T and Steam Powered Spacecraft Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1026 Hi Louis and all, Just for inform you guys, These two engines are in Taiwan. Of course Taiwan is a part of China but not mainland. There are 5 preserved active engines in Taiwan at moment. First picture is CK124 of national railway. Detail is following; http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/noz/taiwan/eck120.html Second one is CK101 which is belonging to national railway too. http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/noz/taiwan/eck100.html Both engines came from Japan. Other engines in Taiwan are two shey type engines of Alishan Mountain railway. Numbers are No.28 (Coal burner) and No.31 (Oil burner). http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/noz/taiwan/eshay31.html And No.370 (Oil burner) of Taiwan sugar cane industry is in steam regularly. Probably one more engine which is No650 of sugar cane factory will come out soon. Regards, Jun > Hello, > > Just thought I'd pass along two items. The first is an article > about steam fans in Tongchuan with shows photos of some very > Japanese-looking supershine 2-6-2T's. Probably just some photos > selected by a person without a clue about the engines, but on the > chance there's something to it, take a look. > > http://www.regenttour.com/chinaplanner/sia/xia-odds-engine.htm > > The second is an apparently serious article about Chinese proposals > for steam-powered spacecraft. > > http://www.spacedaily.com/news/microsat-01c.html > > Hopefully the long web addresses are free of typos. > > Louis Cerny ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3054-1089088800-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 06:39:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i664dP9A007656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:39:25 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i664e184005674 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:40:02 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3054-1089088800-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 04:40:00 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18555 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 04:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 04:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 04:39:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 04:39:12 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.91 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 219.116.48.40 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:39:11 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Tongchuan 2-6-2T and Steam Powered Spacecraft Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1027 Hi, > Other engines in Taiwan are two shey type engines of Alishan > Mountain railway. > Numbers are No.28 (Coal burner) and No.31 (Oil burner). Sorry! I have typed wrong number. Shey is No.26 (not No.28). Please check next. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/taiwan1.htm#Shay Regards, Jun ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3055-1089089562-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 06:52:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i664q7BJ008321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:52:07 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.81]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i664qh84006857 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:52:44 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3055-1089089562-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 04:52:42 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84095 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 04:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 04:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 04:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 04:52:39 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 219.116.48.40 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:52:38 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam locomotives in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1028 Hi all, Some useful sites to check steam engines in China. (Sorry couple of sites are written in Japanese and Chinese only.) Chinese steam locomotives: http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/noz/zh2/ezh2-idx.html http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/SLprofile.htm Chinese steam locomotives in the overseas: http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/SLproF.htm Official site of Shengyan steam museum: http://homepage2.nifty.com/QJSYJ/SLproF.htm Regards, Jun ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3056-1089089840-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 06:56:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i664uiru008648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:56:44 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.16]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i664vL84007309 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:57:22 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3056-1089089840-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 04:57:20 -0000 X-Sender: tram@nifty.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61146 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 04:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 04:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 04:57:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 04:55:46 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "steamchina" X-Originating-IP: 219.116.48.40 X-Yahoo-Profile: steamchina MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:55:43 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam locomotives in China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1029 > Official site of Shengyan steam museum: http://www.syslm.com.cn/ Regards, Jun ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3057-1089111597-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 12:59:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i66AxLM8029056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:59:21 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i66Axw84014332 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:59:59 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3057-1089111597-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 10:59:57 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60383 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 10:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 10:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-04.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 10:59:56 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-068-250.arcor-ip.net [145.254.68.250]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BFAA7C5C476 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:59:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <009e01c46348$a61c8aa0$530690d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.44 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:29:18 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Shibanxi news Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1030 Just got this: Dear Bernd Good news for Shixi: this line will be kept till another 2/3 years! Morning train timetable: 07:00AM, 10:00AM That is the latest Zhang Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3058-1089112022-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 13:06:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i66B6PNY000339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:06:26 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i66B7384015754 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:07:03 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3058-1089112022-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 11:07:02 -0000 X-Sender: steam@onetel.net.uk X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94358 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 11:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 11:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msgdirector4.onetel.net.uk) (212.67.96.160) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 11:07:01 -0000 Received: from mail06.onetel.net.uk (mail06.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.158]) by msgdirector4.onetel.net.uk (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id BUZ05991; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:06:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail06.onetel.net.uk (localhost.onetel.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mail06.onetel.net.uk (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id DAC34939; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:06:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from 213.78.77.190 by mail06.onetel.net.uk (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:06:39 GMT To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.4.6-GR Message-Id: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.67.96.160 From: jeremy richard walker MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:06:39 GMT Subject: [Steam_in_China] Hami Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1031 Good Day, a few weeks ago a member said he was going to Hami and visit the Sandaoling coal Rly.Did you get there? Can you please advise one way or the other.lf is it any good? Has anyone seen any photo,s of the line? Its hell of a long,expensive trip to get there only to find there are no good photo opportunities!! Of interest to UK members,a new service to Beijing starts in August from Stansted via Budapest using Malev and Hainan airlines.l can recommend Hainan A/L as we flue with them from Beijing to Guilin last Dec.Fare is the lowest around Regards Dick / ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3059-1089112765-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 13:18:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i66BImGR002690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:18:49 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i66BJP84018449 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:19:26 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3059-1089112765-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2004 11:19:25 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79344 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 11:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 11:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-07.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 11:19:24 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-212-144-009-236.arcor-ip.net [212.144.9.236]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C3531004BE for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:19:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <020801c4634b$5cbaa790$530690d4@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.47 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:20:48 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Hami Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1032 Hi Dick, Hainan Airlines? As far as I know several governments do not allow their embassy staff in China to use Hainan Airlines ... The low price may be not the reason. However, I fluw Hainan airlines last winter and survived. There are flights from Jekatrinburg (less than 170 Euro), Almaty and Tashkent to Urumqi (Wulumuqi). These cities are connected with central Europe by various airlines. From there it's just one night on the train to Hami. Sandaoling has several very good photo opportunities, according to the recent reports. Peter Patt wanted to go there. He's in China at the moment. Wait for a while, he'll report from there. The only map I know is on my web site. http://www.farrail.net/seiten/touren/china_winter-2005.html#hami-map Greetings, Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: jeremy richard walker To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Hami Good Day, a few weeks ago a member said he was going to Hami and visit the Sandaoling coal Rly.Did you get there? Can you please advise one way or the other.lf is it any good? Has anyone seen any photo,s of the line? Its hell of a long,expensive trip to get there only to find there are no good photo opportunities!! Of interest to UK members,a new service to Beijing starts in August from Stansted via Budapest using Malev and Hainan airlines.l can recommend Hainan A/L as we flue with them from Beijing to Guilin last Dec.Fare is the lowest around Regards Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3060-1089228381-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jul 7 21:25:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i67JPhaK020880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:25:43 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i67JQL84006054 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:26:22 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3060-1089228381-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2004 19:26:21 -0000 X-Sender: seabasstry2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66924 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 19:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2004 19:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 19:26:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2004 19:26:04 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "seabasstry2004" X-Originating-IP: 219.207.40.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: seabasstry2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:26:01 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Weiyuan Coal Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1033 Hi,all. I looked at the Chinese railfan site. Such talks were written to the site. ___________________________ It became impossible to age and use a track for Weiyuan Coal Railway. It is not running now. A track will be abolished if repair is not contributed by the end of this month. 7.7.2004 written ___________________________ I was very surprised. Is it true? T.Ota ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3062-1089771333-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 04:14:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6E2Ep0F004569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:14:51 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.78]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6E2FZ84025736 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:15:37 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3062-1089771333-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 02:15:34 -0000 X-Sender: ltcerny@erols.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88089 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2004 02:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2004 02:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2004 02:15:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2004 02:14:22 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040709010133.43081.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "notenfrog" X-Originating-IP: 66.44.5.139 X-Yahoo-Profile: notenfrog MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:14:22 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: steam in Lioning and Jilin Provinces Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1035 Yes, there are pockets of steam in Liaoning provice. Just go to the www.qj-country.de website and click on "steam lines." Tiefa, Dashiqiao, Gongchangling, Fushun, Fuxin, Jinxi-Yangjiazhangzi, and Nanpiao are all in Liaoning Province. The only steam operation I know of in Jilin province is Meihekou. (I usually am not the one to answer inquiries like this, but after five days without a reply I felt an obligation.) Louis Cerny -- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Prof_Steam wrote: > Are there any pockets of steam in Lioning and Jilin > Provinces? Going there soon. I intend to visit the > ShenYang Steam Loco museum. Are there other > collections in the region? > prof_steam ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3063-1089883755-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 11:28:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6F9SSAC026827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:28:29 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6F9TG84001531 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:29:17 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3063-1089883755-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2004 09:29:15 -0000 X-Sender: garratt1963@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65978 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 09:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 09:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 09:29:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2004 09:29:12 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Peter Patt" X-Originating-IP: 217.184.27.139 X-Yahoo-Profile: garratt1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:29:09 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Diesel in Daban Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1036 Hello, I received this mail from CITS this morning: "2 diesels arrived at Daban shed yesterday! One is being used as a coach engine and the other might be put into use next month or so(no definite planning)... on the section of Daban/Chabuga! Total 4 diesels are planned to be invited into Daban Shed before Dec 31,2004! On the section of Daban/Chabuga if the diesels work! Passenger trains will be still stayed with steams! The concerned facilities for diesel engines are not yet ready, the staff are still being trained so far!" Greetings, Peter ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3064-1089886250-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 12:11:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6FABK7M003429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:11:20 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6FAC684008255 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:12:08 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3064-1089886250-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.30] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2004 10:12:05 -0000 X-Sender: webmaster@qj-country.de X-Apparently-To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66639 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 10:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 10:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 10:10:49 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bl3AV-0007HK-00 for steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:08:47 +0200 Received: from [141.30.181.102] (helo=vevelb102) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bl3AV-0006au-00 for steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:08:47 +0200 To: steam_in_china@yahoogroups.com References: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:3948f59c38901802655fda6268f2e802 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.227.126.186 From: Florian Menius X-Yahoo-Profile: fm765083 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:08:46 +0200 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Baiyin Coal Railway + Diesels@Daban Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1037 Dear Peter and others, sad to hear about the arrival of DFs at Daban! But an encouraging fact is, that steam worked systems are still discovered. Latest example is the re-discovery of Baiyin Coal Rlwy (between Lanzhou and Zhongwei). I received an e-mail from a Baiyin visitor yesterday which talks about some 30 SYs and steam hauled, 8-to-9-coach-long passenger trains. More details on my website as soon as I get them! Best regards, Florian ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3065-1089905533-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 17:31:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6FFVSAf017164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:31:28 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.67]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6FFWF84022038 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:32:16 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3065-1089905533-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.29] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2004 15:32:14 -0000 X-Sender: Toni@germanynet.de X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13492 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2004 15:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2004 15:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-in-03.arcor-online.net) (151.189.21.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 15:32:12 -0000 Received: from farrail (dialin-145-254-066-241.arcor-ip.net [145.254.66.241]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 257ED69EB for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:32:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00ad01c46a81$3085d860$f142fe91@farrail> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 151.189.21.43 From: "Bernd Seiler" X-Yahoo-Profile: baytoni2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:32:29 +0200 Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Baiyin Coal Railway + Diesels@Daban Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1038 Baiyin Coal Railway ... I was there in 1995 or 1996. The authorities not really liked railway enthusiasts. Baiyin Dong (CNR station) was a closed area (as Zhongwei - Gantang was restricted as well) this time and I do not know whether it's free for visitors now. So if you go there drop by the local police and ask for Aliens Travel Permit or be quicker than the police while taking pictures. There is a large industrial complex in Baiyin, so the air around is heavily polluted. But the surroundings are interesting. Baiyin is surrounded by loess mountains. Bernd Bernd Seiler FarRail Tours www.farrail.com mail@farrail.com Tel: +49-30-44 73 38 92 +86-136 - 81 20 52 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Baiyin Coal Railway + Diesels@Daban | Dear Peter and others, | | sad to hear about the arrival of DFs at Daban! | | But an encouraging fact is, that steam worked systems are still discovered. | Latest example is the re-discovery of Baiyin Coal Rlwy (between Lanzhou and | Zhongwei). | | I received an e-mail from a Baiyin visitor yesterday which talks about some | 30 SYs and steam hauled, 8-to-9-coach-long passenger trains. | | More details on my website as soon as I get them! | | Best regards, | | Florian | | | | | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | | | ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3067-1089979087-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jul 16 13:57:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6GBvJk8015190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:57:19 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6GBw784017014 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:58:09 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3067-1089979087-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2004 11:58:07 -0000 X-Sender: hkchemsir@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92678 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2004 11:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2004 11:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2004 11:58:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2004 11:57:38 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "hkchemsir" X-Originating-IP: 221.124.61.109 X-Yahoo-Profile: hkchemsir MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:57:36 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Who will in Daban on 23rd July?? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1040 Hello everybody, I will arrive Daban on 23rd July afternoon and will continue my journey to the west dirction until reaching Benhong. If interest, come out to take photo together. My phone :13699882892 Thanks. GAvin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3071-1090110036-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 02:19:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6I0JkuF011714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:19:46 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6I0Kb84020088 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:20:38 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3071-1090110036-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2004 00:20:36 -0000 X-Sender: cdhussey@mail2me.com.au X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60417 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2004 00:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2004 00:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 00:20:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2004 00:20:33 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.103 From: "a6et" X-Originating-IP: 210.8.232.2 X-Yahoo-Profile: a6et MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:20:32 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Steam In China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1044 In the Japanese Steam in China web site there are several new postings regarding the Baiyin coal railway, in the latest one there is not only a mention about the SY's as reported, but also about JS & QJ. Just under this posting is a couple of maps showing the area's. As usual the Babelfish not help at all Can Our Japanese friends please help out again. Colin Hussey ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3074-1090283083-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 02:28:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6K0SPms007373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:28:25 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6K0TD84022628 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:29:17 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3074-1090283083-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2004 00:24:44 -0000 X-Sender: seabasstry2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16379 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 00:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 00:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 00:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2004 00:23:15 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.107 From: "seabasstry2004" X-Originating-IP: 219.207.40.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: seabasstry2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:23:14 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Steam In China Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1047 Hi,Colin Hussey. Sure,there is Baiyin area's map in website(Steam in China,on Japanese). Mr.Tsujimoto say,which lines do will be Baiyin coal railway on a map? It is the thing of the railway which Florian Menius mentions. And... The QJ's picture is on west Baiyin area in 1989. (Mr.Sawaguchi had taken a picture.) Japanese Railfans are interested Baiyin coal railway. Me,too. Do you understand? regards. T.Ota --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "a6et" wrote: > In the Japanese Steam in China web site there are several new > postings regarding the Baiyin coal railway, in the latest one there > is not only a mention about the SY's as reported, but also about JS & > QJ. Just under this posting is a couple of maps showing the area's. > > As usual the Babelfish not help at all > > Can Our Japanese friends please help out again. > > Colin Hussey ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3076-1090284046-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 02:39:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6K0dtgP008007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:39:55 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6K0el84023638 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:40:49 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3076-1090284046-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2004 00:40:46 -0000 X-Sender: seabasstry2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85345 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 00:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 00:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 00:40:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2004 00:40:02 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "seabasstry2004" X-Originating-IP: 219.207.40.10 X-Yahoo-Profile: seabasstry2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:40:01 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Weather in Jitong Now?? Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl id i6K0dtgP008007 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1048 Sorry. http://www.t7online.com/cgi-bin/citybild? WMO=54117&LANG=cn&SID=541178e2822913ec1c0e16b7bd8d0a45956cb --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "seabasstry2004" wrote: > Hi,Mr. > > This is a Chinese weather information website in Jingpeng area. > But,it is only Chinese. > http://www.t7online.com/cgi-bin/citybild? > WMO=54117&LANG=cn&SID=541178e2822913ec1c0e16b7bd8d0a45956cb > > Good luck to Jitong visit. > > T.Ota > > > > --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "hkchemsir" > wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the weather in Jitong now?? > > Hot, cool or cold?? > > > > I will arrive ther on 23rd July. > > Thanks. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! 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For details, maps and a description please read Warwick Mead`s report: http://qj-country.de/news Wish you a nice day! Florian Menius [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3078-1090332183-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 16:02:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6KE2BF7003485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:02:11 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.79]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6KE3584022576 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:03:06 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3078-1090332183-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2004 14:03:04 -0000 X-Sender: bgevans@cm1.hinet.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36812 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 14:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 14:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msr78.hinet.net) (168.95.4.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 14:03:02 -0000 Received: from TRAVELMATE (61-226-90-184.dynamic.hinet.net [61.226.90.184]) by msr78.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19980 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:02:58 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <002b01c46e63$4dd10c60$b85ae23d@TRAVELMATE> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.95.4.178 From: "BruceEvans" X-Yahoo-Profile: sy1714tlng MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:03:42 +0800 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Baiyin Coal Railway Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1051 Folks, Roger Gillard and I spent a short time at Baiyinxi around 4 years ago. The information that we had was that the railway to the north was primarily an ore mine line supplying the big aluminium plant in Baiyinxi - shown on Warwick's map. I think this is known as the North-West Aluminium Smelter. We were also told that the area beyond the town up the hill was strictly 'out of bounds' for foreigners. For the visit CITS Changchun had arranged for a guide from Yinchuan who in turn seemed to have arranged a vehicle and driver through a local senior PLA friend. So we had a PLA Beijing jeep with the officer's personal driver in uniform. I always assumed this was because of the strict security concerns. When venturing up the north line we were told to keep ourselves hidden. We waited to phot one of the uphill SY-hauled passengers from a position where we were completely hidden from the road. We were only allowed to leave and get back to the jeep when there was not a single other road vehicle anywhere in sight! This was probably the most 'security intense' visit I have ever made in China - not quite Rujigou but still pretty intimidating. However, as we all know things are not always as they seem in China and we may well have understood things completely the wrong way. Given that the line is now receiving wide attention prospective visitors should see what they can find out about the possible security restrictions when setting up trips or when visiting and let us know via the group or Florian's website. If Warwick has contacts there maybe he can help with checking this aspect? The aluminium plant is apparently now run by a joint-venture with an Australian or American company I think having quite a large involvement. When we were at Baiyinxi we travelled about 10km up the north line and there were several boomed checkpoints. We were not stopped though but were having to do our best to keep out of sight! There did not seem to be that much traffic on the north line - but our visit was short - and if there are 30 locos operating I suspect most are being used around the aluminium works and industrial area east and south-east of the city. Cheers, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Menius" To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: [Steam_in_China] Baiyin Coal Railway + Diesels@Daban > Dear Peter and others, > > sad to hear about the arrival of DFs at Daban! > > But an encouraging fact is, that steam worked systems are still discovered. > Latest example is the re-discovery of Baiyin Coal Rlwy (between Lanzhou and > Zhongwei). > > I received an e-mail from a Baiyin visitor yesterday which talks about some > 30 SYs and steam hauled, 8-to-9-coach-long passenger trains. > > More details on my website as soon as I get them! > > Best regards, > > Florian > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3079-1090362000-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 11:47:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6L9l52O012829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:47:05 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6L9m084023170 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:48:01 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3079-1090362000-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2004 22:20:48 -0000 X-Sender: brian.rumary@virgin.net X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38534 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 22:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2004 22:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n068.sc1.cp.net) (209.228.29.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 22:19:56 -0000 Received: from virgin.net (81.98.83.17) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.027.3-1) id 40FA2ABE0004F7F7 for Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:19:20 +0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <40FD08D7.9BCC4751@qj-country.de> References: <40FD08D7.9BCC4751@qj-country.de> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.228.29.64 From: "B.Rumary" X-Yahoo-Profile: purnellsuk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:19:20 GMT Subject: Re: [Steam_in_China] Baiyin Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 1053 Florian Menius wrote: > I just received some more details about the Baiyin Coal Railway - it > sounds quite interessting... > For details, maps and a description please read Warwick Mead`s report: > http://qj-country.de/news > I can see a mistake in this report, regarding the picture of the preserved 0-6-0T at Anshan. Warwick Mead says that the loco is a German -built XK13, but the photo shows that it carries the number XK51. Some of the XK 13 class were at Anshan and were German built, but the loco in the photo is an American-built USA/TC loco from WW2! I remember seeing one of these at Anshan some years ago, although I think that was number 50. Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-4914183-3082-1090409751-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 13:34:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl [149.156.2.15]) by kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6LBYvn4027836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:34:57 +0200 (METDST) Received: from n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.67.19]) by srv2.cyf-kr.edu.pl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i6LBZq84019225 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:35:53 +0200 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4914183-3082-1090409751-geczapki=cyf-kr.edu.pl@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2004 11:35:51 -0000 X-Sender: ameling2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82921 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2004 11:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2004 11:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2004 11:35:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2004 11:35:49 -0000 To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "ameling algra" X-Originating-IP: 213.93.78.32 X-Yahoo-Profile: ameling2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com; contact Steam_in_China-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:35:47 -0000 Subject: [Steam_in_China] Re: Baiyin Reply-To: Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1056 --- In Steam_in_China@yahoogroups.com, Maciej Czapkiewicz wrote: > > > I can see a mistake in this report, regarding the picture of the > > preserved 0-6-0T at Anshan. Warwick Mead says that the loco is a German > > -built XK13, but the photo shows that it carries the number XK51. Some > > of the XK 13 class were at Anshan and were German built, > > Are you sure? I thought that XK13 are "ferrum TKh" type built > in Chranow, Poland. > The XK13 is indeed the ''standard'' Polish industrial shunter. And the loco in the picture is not XK51, but XK2 class number 51. I saw both 50 and 51 in use at Anshan steelworks I think back in 1989. They are the classical American War Department shunter, were used after WW2 in France & Holland, are still running on museum lines in Holland and the UK, and are still in industrial use in the former Yugoslavia - or at least the ''copies'' they built over there. By the way: another mistake in the report concerns the through trains Shenyang-Tieling-Daqing(-Tiefa). Though reduced about a year ago to two return trips a day, the trains are still in Duncan's timetable & were definitely running April 2004. Of course, with a change of train (to steam) in Daqing these days, but that can only be considered an improvement. ameling ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/8ZCslB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Steam_in_China/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Steam_in_China-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/